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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:18:00 -
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It's time for my yearly moan about CCP's consistent ignorance of the needs of colour blind players. I believe tthat this may be the 10th yearly moan. The last 9 have resulted in ZERO improvement and ZERO attention but I am compelled to keep trying.
The timing of this thread coincides with the recent introduction of wormhole colours.
CCP. Do you understand that a significant sector of your target population is colour blind? and that about 5% are severely colour blind?
Apparently there is some kind of new colour coded information in wormholes. A great many EVE players are unable to process that information. Thousands of players want some *additional* visual cue... Thousands of players are being ignored and have been for 10 years.
As a gaming company CCP has the chance to be the ONLY one that listens and accounts for the needs of colour blind players... Alas... they completely ignore colour blind players. .... again. for the 10th year in a row.
Last year some CSM guy clamped on to the idea an promised that he would get it on the agenda. For the first time ever I had hope of being heard.
He failed.
This year I don't want CSM "prancing" with no results. This year I want someone to clamp on to the idea and get CCP to include colour blind players in their test group.
Does CCP dare to listen? For the last 10 years the answer has been no. What about this year?
T- |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:18:54 -
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It's time for my yearly moan about CCP's consistent ignorance of the needs of colour blind players. I believe tthat this may be the 10th yearly moan. The last 9 have resulted in ZERO improvement and ZERO attention but I am compelled to keep trying.
The timing of this thread coincides with the recent introduction of wormhole colours.
CCP. Do you understand that a significant sector of your target population is colour blind? and that about 5% are severely colour blind?
Apparently there is some kind of new colour coded information in wormholes. A great many EVE players are unable to process that information. Thousands of players want some *additional* visual cue... Thousands of players are being ignored and have been for 10 years.
As a gaming company CCP has the chance to be the ONLY one that listens and accounts for the needs of colour blind players... Alas... they completely ignore colour blind players. .... again. for the 10th year in a row.
Last year some CSM guy clamped on to the idea an promised that he would get it on the agenda. For the first time ever I had hope of being heard.
He failed.
This year I don't want CSM "prancing" with no results. This year I want someone to clamp on to the idea and get CCP to include colour blind players in their test group.
Does CCP dare to listen? For the last 10 years the answer has been no. What about this year?
T- |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:26:00 -
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How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:26:37 -
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How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:34:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
Zero.
That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?"
You are suggesting that because no other game maker thinks about it that CCP shouldn't have to think about it either.
My point is that this attitude is completely friggen absurd.
T- |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:48:00 -
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I was genuinely curious.
As far as your response, precedent is used to make decisions whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:48:37 -
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I was genuinely curious.
As far as your response, precedent is used to make decisions whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Wolf Incaelum
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:51:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind? Zero. That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?" You are suggesting that because no other game maker thinks about it that CCP shouldn't have to think about it either. My point is that this attitude is completely friggen absurd. T-
I'm pretty sure most FPSs have color blind support. At the very least, the CoD games do. You do make a valid point, though.
The deer can get it right. What's YOUR problem? |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:58:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind? Zero. That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?" You are suggesting that because no other game maker thinks about it that CCP shouldn't have to think about it either. My point is that this attitude is completely friggen absurd. T-
This is not absurd, however your unreasonable expectations are. I do agree with you that CCP should relay more information to assist those who are color blind. You being handicap does not need to force CCP into a situation dedicating resources towards a cause that effects a small percentage of their subscribers.
This is basically the same argument that linux users had. They screamed for support on the game. However the amount of linux users playing the game did not justify the cause. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1941
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:00:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind? That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?"
I detect a market niche
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3410
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:12:00 -
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Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:12:53 -
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Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:03:00 -
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Again, like the last 2 years i support colorblind additions to the game. For though I am not colorblind mtself, I have spent more than enough time playing with colorblind friends and having troubles because of it.
Seriously most of the color cue thing in the game could just have a color adjust slider (the kid I game with can handle shades of blue/green, but not red), or be switched to a different polygon. Most people at a glance can differentiate up to 7 sided shapes in a split second (beyond that youll start running into pixel size issues and that a 8 side vs a 10 sided gets harder and harder to notice quickly)
Like really, its pretty bs that in this age, when playing a game. 1 of my group of friends need to keep a livestream open on a spare monitor of another friends screen so we can tell him if hes getting locked onto but not shot at yet. (Though he cant tell whos shooting at him either because he cant see the box in the overview) |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:03:22 -
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Again, like the last 2 years i support colorblind additions to the game. For though I am not colorblind mtself, I have spent more than enough time playing with colorblind friends and having troubles because of it.
Seriously most of the color cue thing in the game could just have a color adjust slider (the kid I game with can handle shades of blue/green, but not red), or be switched to a different polygon. Most people at a glance can differentiate up to 7 sided shapes in a split second (beyond that youll start running into pixel size issues and that a 8 side vs a 10 sided gets harder and harder to notice quickly)
Like really, its pretty bs that in this age, when playing a game. 1 of my group of friends need to keep a livestream open on a spare monitor of another friends screen so we can tell him if hes getting locked onto but not shot at yet. (Though he cant tell whos shooting at him either because he cant see the box in the overview) |
Arya Ikahrus
Emperors of Nowhere
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:38:00 -
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+1 for this suggestion. |
Arya Ikahrus
Emperors of Nowhere
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:38:08 -
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+1 for this suggestion. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
271
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:57:00 -
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I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:57:51 -
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I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:43:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me.
Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
106
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:43:11 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me.
Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities. |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:30:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
What does this have to do with anything?
If the costs are prohibitive, make that argument.
If it is simply not feasible coding wise make that argument.
Using a variant of the argumentum ad populum is just stupid.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:30:41 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
What does this have to do with anything?
If the costs are prohibitive, make that argument.
If it is simply not feasible coding wise make that argument.
Using a variant of the argumentum ad populum is just stupid.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:43:00 -
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Linkxsc162534 wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities.
I mean I don't know what part is the issue, the only tough ones come down to shades already and most color cues in the game have secondary shapes. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
282
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:43:21 -
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Linkxsc162534 wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities.
I mean I don't know what part is the issue, the only tough ones come down to shades already and most color cues in the game have secondary shapes. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
329
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:03:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
Battlefield Series - You can actually choose which type of colorblind you are, and it changes the friend/foes color tags accordingly
World of Tanks - Change the red enemies to blue
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
353
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:03:34 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
Battlefield Series - You can actually choose which type of colorblind you are, and it changes the friend/foes color tags accordingly
World of Tanks - Change the red enemies to blue
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
2333
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:17:00 -
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I support this. Simply because it is not an unreasonable request, and is well thought out and researched as well as being presented in a civil manner.
+1
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:17:11 -
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I support this. Simply because it is not an unreasonable request, and is well thought out and researched as well as being presented in a civil manner.
+1
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
207
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Posted - 2014.10.11 07:55:00 -
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~2.2% of males suffer from dichromacy, as in one of their three color receptors do not function at all.
It's a shame other games do not recognize this in their design. Hopefully CCP does though!
Hey guys. |
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
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Posted - 2014.10.11 08:45:00 -
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As for the new wormhole effects, you can show info on them to see which ships they allow (which is what the colors identify). Not a brilliant fix or anything, but still...
... I support. +1 |
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