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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:18:00 -
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It's time for my yearly moan about CCP's consistent ignorance of the needs of colour blind players. I believe tthat this may be the 10th yearly moan. The last 9 have resulted in ZERO improvement and ZERO attention but I am compelled to keep trying.
The timing of this thread coincides with the recent introduction of wormhole colours.
CCP. Do you understand that a significant sector of your target population is colour blind? and that about 5% are severely colour blind?
Apparently there is some kind of new colour coded information in wormholes. A great many EVE players are unable to process that information. Thousands of players want some *additional* visual cue... Thousands of players are being ignored and have been for 10 years.
As a gaming company CCP has the chance to be the ONLY one that listens and accounts for the needs of colour blind players... Alas... they completely ignore colour blind players. .... again. for the 10th year in a row.
Last year some CSM guy clamped on to the idea an promised that he would get it on the agenda. For the first time ever I had hope of being heard.
He failed.
This year I don't want CSM "prancing" with no results. This year I want someone to clamp on to the idea and get CCP to include colour blind players in their test group.
Does CCP dare to listen? For the last 10 years the answer has been no. What about this year?
T- |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:18:54 -
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It's time for my yearly moan about CCP's consistent ignorance of the needs of colour blind players. I believe tthat this may be the 10th yearly moan. The last 9 have resulted in ZERO improvement and ZERO attention but I am compelled to keep trying.
The timing of this thread coincides with the recent introduction of wormhole colours.
CCP. Do you understand that a significant sector of your target population is colour blind? and that about 5% are severely colour blind?
Apparently there is some kind of new colour coded information in wormholes. A great many EVE players are unable to process that information. Thousands of players want some *additional* visual cue... Thousands of players are being ignored and have been for 10 years.
As a gaming company CCP has the chance to be the ONLY one that listens and accounts for the needs of colour blind players... Alas... they completely ignore colour blind players. .... again. for the 10th year in a row.
Last year some CSM guy clamped on to the idea an promised that he would get it on the agenda. For the first time ever I had hope of being heard.
He failed.
This year I don't want CSM "prancing" with no results. This year I want someone to clamp on to the idea and get CCP to include colour blind players in their test group.
Does CCP dare to listen? For the last 10 years the answer has been no. What about this year?
T- |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:26:00 -
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How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:26:37 -
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How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:34:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
Zero.
That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?"
You are suggesting that because no other game maker thinks about it that CCP shouldn't have to think about it either.
My point is that this attitude is completely friggen absurd.
T- |
Paranoid Loyd
2191
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:48:00 -
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I was genuinely curious.
As far as your response, precedent is used to make decisions whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Paranoid Loyd
2647
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:48:37 -
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I was genuinely curious.
As far as your response, precedent is used to make decisions whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Wolf Incaelum
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:51:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind? Zero. That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?" You are suggesting that because no other game maker thinks about it that CCP shouldn't have to think about it either. My point is that this attitude is completely friggen absurd. T-
I'm pretty sure most FPSs have color blind support. At the very least, the CoD games do. You do make a valid point, though.
The deer can get it right. What's YOUR problem? |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD
Shadow Cartel
32
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:58:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind? Zero. That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?" You are suggesting that because no other game maker thinks about it that CCP shouldn't have to think about it either. My point is that this attitude is completely friggen absurd. T-
This is not absurd, however your unreasonable expectations are. I do agree with you that CCP should relay more information to assist those who are color blind. You being handicap does not need to force CCP into a situation dedicating resources towards a cause that effects a small percentage of their subscribers.
This is basically the same argument that linux users had. They screamed for support on the game. However the amount of linux users playing the game did not justify the cause. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1941
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:00:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind? That's a kind of question like "how many cafe's in Alabama allow blacks?"
I detect a market niche
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3410
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:12:00 -
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Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:12:53 -
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Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
104
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:03:00 -
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Again, like the last 2 years i support colorblind additions to the game. For though I am not colorblind mtself, I have spent more than enough time playing with colorblind friends and having troubles because of it.
Seriously most of the color cue thing in the game could just have a color adjust slider (the kid I game with can handle shades of blue/green, but not red), or be switched to a different polygon. Most people at a glance can differentiate up to 7 sided shapes in a split second (beyond that youll start running into pixel size issues and that a 8 side vs a 10 sided gets harder and harder to notice quickly)
Like really, its pretty bs that in this age, when playing a game. 1 of my group of friends need to keep a livestream open on a spare monitor of another friends screen so we can tell him if hes getting locked onto but not shot at yet. (Though he cant tell whos shooting at him either because he cant see the box in the overview) |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
106
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:03:22 -
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Again, like the last 2 years i support colorblind additions to the game. For though I am not colorblind mtself, I have spent more than enough time playing with colorblind friends and having troubles because of it.
Seriously most of the color cue thing in the game could just have a color adjust slider (the kid I game with can handle shades of blue/green, but not red), or be switched to a different polygon. Most people at a glance can differentiate up to 7 sided shapes in a split second (beyond that youll start running into pixel size issues and that a 8 side vs a 10 sided gets harder and harder to notice quickly)
Like really, its pretty bs that in this age, when playing a game. 1 of my group of friends need to keep a livestream open on a spare monitor of another friends screen so we can tell him if hes getting locked onto but not shot at yet. (Though he cant tell whos shooting at him either because he cant see the box in the overview) |
Arya Ikahrus
Emperors of Nowhere
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:38:00 -
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+1 for this suggestion. |
Arya Ikahrus
Emperors of Nowhere
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:38:08 -
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+1 for this suggestion. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
271
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:57:00 -
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I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
282
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:57:51 -
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I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
104
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:43:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me.
Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
106
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:43:11 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me.
Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities. |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
2428
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:30:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
What does this have to do with anything?
If the costs are prohibitive, make that argument.
If it is simply not feasible coding wise make that argument.
Using a variant of the argumentum ad populum is just stupid.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:30:41 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
What does this have to do with anything?
If the costs are prohibitive, make that argument.
If it is simply not feasible coding wise make that argument.
Using a variant of the argumentum ad populum is just stupid.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
271
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:43:00 -
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Linkxsc162534 wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities.
I mean I don't know what part is the issue, the only tough ones come down to shades already and most color cues in the game have secondary shapes. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
Sins of our Fathers
282
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:43:21 -
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Linkxsc162534 wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me. Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities.
I mean I don't know what part is the issue, the only tough ones come down to shades already and most color cues in the game have secondary shapes. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
329
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:03:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
Battlefield Series - You can actually choose which type of colorblind you are, and it changes the friend/foes color tags accordingly
World of Tanks - Change the red enemies to blue
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
353
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:03:34 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How many others games have you played that support the color blind?
Battlefield Series - You can actually choose which type of colorblind you are, and it changes the friend/foes color tags accordingly
World of Tanks - Change the red enemies to blue
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
2333
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:17:00 -
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I support this. Simply because it is not an unreasonable request, and is well thought out and researched as well as being presented in a civil manner.
+1
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:17:11 -
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I support this. Simply because it is not an unreasonable request, and is well thought out and researched as well as being presented in a civil manner.
+1
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
207
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Posted - 2014.10.11 07:55:00 -
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~2.2% of males suffer from dichromacy, as in one of their three color receptors do not function at all.
It's a shame other games do not recognize this in their design. Hopefully CCP does though!
Hey guys. |
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
48
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Posted - 2014.10.11 08:45:00 -
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As for the new wormhole effects, you can show info on them to see which ships they allow (which is what the colors identify). Not a brilliant fix or anything, but still...
... I support. +1 |
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Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
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Posted - 2014.10.11 08:45:42 -
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As for the new wormhole effects, you can show info on them to see which ships they allow (which is what the colors identify). Not a brilliant fix or anything, but still...
... I support. +1 |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
330
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Posted - 2014.10.11 09:01:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:~2.2% of males suffer from dichromacy, as in one of their three color receptors do not function at all.
It's a shame other games do not recognize this in their design. Hopefully CCP does though!
But that is TRUE colorblindness.
Dichromacy - 1 of their color receptors is inoperable
Anomalous Trichromacy - 1 of their color receptors is not working properly
Dichromacy 2.4%0.03%
Protanopia (red deficient: L cone absent) 1.3%0.02%
Deuteranopia (green deficient: M cone absent)1.2%0.01%
Tritanopia (blue deficient: S cone absent) 0.001%0.03%
Anomalous Trichromacy 6.3%0.37%
Protanomaly (red deficient: L cone defect) 1.3%0.02%
Deuteranomaly (green deficient: M cone defect)5.0%0.35%
Tritanomaly (blue deficient: S cone defect) 0.0001%0.0001%
So although (according to wikipedia) 2.4% of the population is truly colorblind, an additional 6.3% have a malfunctioning color receptor. This means that about 8.7% of Eve subscribers are probably colorblind at some level.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
353
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Posted - 2014.10.11 09:01:04 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:~2.2% of males suffer from dichromacy, as in one of their three color receptors do not function at all.
It's a shame other games do not recognize this in their design. Hopefully CCP does though!
But that is TRUE colorblindness.
Dichromacy - 1 of their color receptors is inoperable
Anomalous Trichromacy - 1 of their color receptors is not working properly
Dichromacy 2.4%0.03%
Protanopia (red deficient: L cone absent) 1.3%0.02%
Deuteranopia (green deficient: M cone absent)1.2%0.01%
Tritanopia (blue deficient: S cone absent) 0.001%0.03%
Anomalous Trichromacy 6.3%0.37%
Protanomaly (red deficient: L cone defect) 1.3%0.02%
Deuteranomaly (green deficient: M cone defect)5.0%0.35%
Tritanomaly (blue deficient: S cone defect) 0.0001%0.0001%
So although (according to wikipedia) 2.4% of the population is truly colorblind, an additional 6.3% have a malfunctioning color receptor. This means that about 8.7% of Eve subscribers are probably colorblind at some level.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Miomeifeng Alduin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:58:03 -
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As a colorblind player, i can only support this suggestion. Please allow us the chance to choose a colorblind mode, or even to adjust our own colors clientside for the UI. (for example, i can see if someone is targetting me, but not if they are attacking me. the red rectangle in the overview around the big red cross, is something i have a lot of trouble seeing. This can lead to very uncomfortable surprises in every part of the game.) |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3082
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:01:56 -
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Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:As a colorblind player, i can only support this suggestion. Please allow us the chance to choose a colorblind mode, or even to adjust our own colors clientside for the UI. (for example, i can see if someone is targetting me, but not if they are attacking me. the red rectangle in the overview around the big red cross, is something i have a lot of trouble seeing. This can lead to very uncomfortable surprises in every part of the game.)
For a situation like this, even something as simple as giving the "entity is targeting you" and "entity is attacking you" brackets a different visual appearance (referring to shape rather than color) would probably make a big difference.
+1 for a proper "colorblind" mode, though. |
Vicail Arbosa
Dirt 'n' Glitter
0
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:45:28 -
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As a Colorblind player myself I fully support this request. Google actually had the foresight to code color correction into their latest version of Android so it can be system wide as I have been requesting Microsoft to allow for years to no avail. But seriously I have major issues distinguishing from friendly and enemy in local with the colors CCP chose to use to highlight them. I have to mouse over the names/icons one at a time to see if they are in my corp, or an enemy and it gets very tedious.
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
369
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:27:57 -
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Vicail Arbosa wrote:As a Colorblind player myself I fully support this request. Google actually had the foresight to code color correction into their latest version of Android so it can be system wide as I have been requesting Microsoft to allow for years to no avail. But seriously I have major issues distinguishing from friendly and enemy in local with the colors CCP chose to use to highlight them. I have to mouse over the names/icons one at a time to see if they are in my corp, or an enemy and it gets very tedious. Editing to post link to an example of what I deal with the whole time I play. this a small snipping of my local window and the icons next to the names. I can not see a difference in the colors of the icons in the window shown at all. I have to actually mouse oer each one one to see if they are in my corp or a WT. http://imgur.com/Vmcga9u
TBH, people who see the full color spectrum won't see the issue with the picture you have provided because they look at that and with a glance instantly see the color difference.
http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/types-of-colour-blindness/
http://wearecolorblind.com/article/a-quick-introduction-to-color-blindness/
Here are a couple websites that have some comparison pictures that actually adapt the picture to what a colorblind person actually sees when they look at the example pictures. It's crazy, but the dueteranopia pictures look the same to me as the standard picture.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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thebarry
Calamitous-Intent
Feign Disorder
9
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:13:20 -
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+1
The yellow vs red brackets are difficult for me to decipher as well, and I am only partially color blind :( |
Bob Maths
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.12.20 12:52:28 -
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Surely it would be simple to add a set of processes to adjust the colours rendered from the clients point of view if the appropriate option was selected in the client's menu? I don't see why you wouldn't want this. Surely the game is built to support blind people as well as other disabled people. |
Vicail Arbosa
Dirt 'n' Glitter
0
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Posted - 2014.12.20 23:39:20 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Vicail Arbosa wrote:As a Colorblind player myself I fully support this request. Google actually had the foresight to code color correction into their latest version of Android so it can be system wide as I have been requesting Microsoft to allow for years to no avail. But seriously I have major issues distinguishing from friendly and enemy in local with the colors CCP chose to use to highlight them. I have to mouse over the names/icons one at a time to see if they are in my corp, or an enemy and it gets very tedious. Editing to post link to an example of what I deal with the whole time I play. this a small snipping of my local window and the icons next to the names. I can not see a difference in the colors of the icons in the window shown at all. I have to actually mouse oer each one one to see if they are in my corp or a WT. http://imgur.com/Vmcga9u TBH, people who see the full color spectrum won't see the issue with the picture you have provided because they look at that and with a glance instantly see the color difference. http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/types-of-colour-blindness/
http://wearecolorblind.com/article/a-quick-introduction-to-color-blindness/
Here are a couple websites that have some comparison pictures that actually adapt the picture to what a colorblind person actually sees when they look at the example pictures. It's crazy, but the dueteranopia pictures look the same to me as the standard picture.
I get that most people won't see a problem with the picture I posted. I was merely using it to demonstrate the I see no difference in the colors there. My wife thinks I am nuts as well but she understands the difference. I have my phone setup with android 5.0's built in colo correction and it makes android a completely different beast as well as the apps and games on the platform. it changes the colors at the OS level I only wish windows had such an option then CCP wouldn't need to worry about it |
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Tcar
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
89
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:54:49 -
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+1
I am red green colorblind and despite having perfect ECM skills in a corp famous for using way too many Falcons on lone rating Drakes, I can't fly a Falcon because I can't tell the difference in the effing jammers.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
147
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Posted - 2014.12.21 06:28:00 -
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Tcar wrote:+1
I am red green colorblind and despite having perfect ECM skills in a corp famous for using way too many Falcons on lone rating Drakes, I can't fly a Falcon because I can't tell the difference in the effing jammers.
Suggestion.
If you highlight the modules, it will tell you which jammer it is. You can organize them by position. Alphabetical order let's say.
~ Bookmarks in overview
~ Fleet improvements
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Desvath Benepeth
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.02.24 11:32:37 -
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try screen colour altering programs like negativescreen
http://arcanesanctum.net/negativescreen/
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