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Laythun
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:05:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: John Munch
Funny. I heard goons have a GM response that says the exact opposite.
I also heard that Eve was being changed to pink bunnies in space.
i hear a lot fo things, but my tin foil hat blocks the voices most of the time.
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Skawl
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:09:00 -
[32]
Originally by: EvilNate
Well, it doesn't change the code of client program, not does it export or import data.
It presumably DOES import data - it's replacing the pictures in the local chat channel...
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:10:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Double TaP on 14/08/2006 16:10:35
I'm a pirate and I kill people all the time. I imagine they see me in local, but I still get them. This includes other pirates, miners, npc'ers, random alliance drones. Theres a lot of work that goes into killing people as it is, and removing local will make it a little work to not get killed, but WAYYYY too much work to get kills. To the point where it will be too much work to be fun. We will be going backwards in combat history. Alliances will be saying "meet here" and flying towards each other in straight lines shooting 1 gun with a minute and a half reload time.
Edit: sorry for derailing, but as for the OP, i agree with Elve Sorrow, I think its pretty neat, so why not just use it and be quiet?
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:11:00 -
[34]
Originally by: John Munch
Funny. I heard goons have a GM response that says the exact opposite.
I heard it was a response that says it is against the EULA, but can not currently be detected.
They decided that meant it was okay to cheat because they wouldn't be caught.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:12:00 -
[35]
Edited by: xeom on 14/08/2006 16:13:37
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: EvilNate
Well, it doesn't change the code of client program, not does it export or import data.
Doesn't matter.
It changes the way the game appears, which is a EULA violation.
So i can't go in and paint all the ship textures hot pink?
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 14/08/2006 16:16:00
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
I'd rather they incorporated this 'mod' in their code tbh. It's damn usefull, and rather ironic they did not come up with it themselves.
Ofcourse, its technically against the EULA so banning its use is a good thing. Incorporate it in the client would be better.
Local should not be considered an intel tool.
The intel gathering aspects of local need to be nerfed, not enhanced.
Agreed in principle. Does not remove the fact that Local has been in for 3 years, the intelligent part of this community has whined about it for roughly 2 years and 11 months, and it's still here and not a damn thing has changed about it yet. Im sure if some random Goon dude is able to program this in his spare time, CCP could've done the same thing? We might aswell make it less of a pain to use, while its still in.
No offence, but im not buying the rumours that Kali will remove it. It would've been plastered all over the forums by CCP because features like that are exactly what Kali lacks right now.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:16:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: John Munch
Funny. I heard goons have a GM response that says the exact opposite.
I heard it was a response that says it is against the EULA, but can not currently be detected.
They decided that meant it was okay to cheat because they wouldn't be caught.
I seriously hope not. It's kinda depressing to think a GM would be that stupid. You don't *tell* someone who wants to cheat, that nobody will be able to catch him.
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:26:00 -
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Now that i think about it.This must be the reason they always block out their portraits in screen captures.
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.08.14 16:37:00 -
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I got a similiar response when I tried to petition about it, basically that they couldn't catch the people involved and that it IS an exploit but they can't do anything about it.
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Parapolizei
Tactical Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.14 18:13:00 -
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If a portrait database liek this does exist, then it should be implemented into the game by CCP. I am suprised that a simple thing as that has not been.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.14 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: K Shara
The goon tool is a program that conects to an external server and downloads replacement portriats as stored in your portraits folder of your cache,
based upon a central DB. so all Contraband will show as a portrait with MC and conin. All Frick would be MC, frick etc
Cor, that part is pretty clever actually. Central server.
Still, you would need to pull out 1000+ character IDs from the game.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.14 19:07:00 -
[42]
Originally by: EvilNate
Well, it doesn't change the code of client program, not does it export or import data.
Read my post, I have paid particular attention to all the devs responses as I develop Eve tools.
Putting content back in to the game that should not be there, is the breach of the EULA. Technically it is importing data (in the form of images) into the game.
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Sovy Kurosei
Amarr
Therianthropic Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.14 19:19:00 -
[43]
EULA vs Mass bookmarks
Quote:
1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Excessive bookmarks and bookmark copying put an unreasonable load on the system.
ToS vs Instas
Quote:
22. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players.
It is obviouslly a bug since it is intended for people to arrive at stargates fifteen kilometres away, not zero metres.
EULA vs G15 keyboard
Quote:
3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
G15 keyboards can use macros and are allowed.
It is like the Loyalty Level Six fiasco, CCP enforces their EULA or ToS depending on how loudly the player base ***** against or for the idea. 
But  at all the people thinking that changing some portraits break the game to the point where the offender deserves to get instabanned but use an insta found in their ten thousand bookmark folder to get past a gatecamp. 
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Kaliesin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.14 19:27:00 -
[44]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: EvilNate
Well, it doesn't change the code of client program, not does it export or import data.
Read my post, I have paid particular attention to all the devs responses as I develop Eve tools.
Putting content back in to the game that should not be there, is the breach of the EULA. Technically it is importing data (in the form of images) into the game.
Lets see they pull images out of game folder to a central server, cross reference them and upload new ones, there are 2 things wrong with this firstly as said its an unfair advantage, secondly the lag issue, omg we goons are being slaughtered, lets lag the game, refresh all portraits of known enemies..........
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Inanna Sumer
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2006.08.14 19:41:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Kaliesin
secondly the lag issue, omg we goons are being slaughtered, lets lag the game, refresh all portraits of known enemies..........
portraits are generated locally by the client, aside from a transfer of a few bytes of data for face features (which is cached clientside anyway after the first showinfo) the only lag would be clientside.
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Captain Jew
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Posted - 2006.08.14 19:43:00 -
[46]
um all that would do is make the goonies server work harder...?
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Peter Armstrong
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.14 20:54:00 -
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mmm i dont think they should remove it! I think u just need to change it to like other channels That u dont type in local then u dont show up. Soon u typed hi u show in Local!
Removing not a good idea just changing how it work better. I mean if u did get a good fight u like to talk as groups to say gf right? or just talk to local and for some people smack away in local u know?
That will be a great thing in that idea and the covo op would be a special skill to have u know?
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Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:04:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: EULA
CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
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You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
That was pretty much pointed to as the answer to my question about this.
Do bear in mind that TS overlays also do this.
And yes, we KNOW you want to drive anyone not in a massive alliance out of 0.0.
Elve Sorrow,
"the intelligent part of this community has whined about it for roughly 2 years and 11 months"
Yes, it not showing standings is kinda silly, I agree.
Sovy Kurosei,
BM copying is low priority and only done when the node is not busy. No load issue.
And instas are not a bug, and have never been called so by the devs. Origionally unintended, yes. But not a bug.
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K Shara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:06:00 -
[49]
arrggg!!!!
I would love to be able to paste the official response i got but is not allowed
However the GM has reffered it to a senior GM for the same answer
its a sploit
there are no shades of gray here.
if you use it you are a cheat and should be banned
simple.
what ccp should do is blank all portraits so that the game shows only a blank image no matter what portrait you have loaded, that way they can work on a detector for it.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:19:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: EULA
CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
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You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
That was pretty much pointed to as the answer to my question about this.
Do bear in mind that TS overlays also do this.
No they don't.
TSDisp is a window that is always on top - it no-way changes the content appearing within the game enviroment. It is no different to having your browser window open over Eve to post useless inaccurate drivel on the forums.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:22:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Too Kind on 14/08/2006 21:24:44
I'm also the opinion that it's disturbing that they say, it's an exploit, but we can't detect it (currently).
They don't even state if they would ban someone for using it or if they want to implement a detection.
So in the end, many people don't use it, because they think they might get banned for it.
Others use it and are happy. If CCP doesn't care about it and tolerates it, I feel cheated, because I follow the rules and don't risk my account to get an 'extra feature'.
If they made a detection and punished people for using it, the players, who 'cheated' will start to cry big times, because they thought it's tolerated, because CCP didn't seem to have any intention to care about that specific thing, besides just repeating that EULA passage in case someone asks.
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Peter Armstrong
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:26:00 -
[52]
oops wrong post lol
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:32:00 -
[53]
goons 4tl
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:41:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Too Kind
Edited by: Too Kind on 14/08/2006 21:24:44
I'm also the opinion that it's disturbing that they say, it's an exploit, but we can't detect it (currently).
They don't even state if they would ban someone for using it or if they want to implement a detection.
So in the end, many people don't use it, because they think they might get banned for it.
Others use it and are happy. If CCP doesn't care about it and tolerates it, I feel cheated, because I follow the rules and don't risk my account to get an 'extra feature'.
If they made a detection and punished people for using it, the players, who 'cheated' will start to cry big times, because they thought it's tolerated, because CCP didn't seem to have any intention to care about that specific thing, besides just repeating that EULA passage in case someone asks.
If they could detect it they would ban them. Because there are probably several hundred people doing it... perma bans would be out of the question imo. 3 day bans would most likely ensue for anyone using it.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:42:00 -
[55]
Heh, I since I heard about the new scanning abilities in Kali, I figured Local's "Show All" was numbered.
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Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:46:00 -
[56]
Avon, right, it is content allways appearing within the game window. That is precisely what the EULA refers to. It is allways there even in full screen (which should exclude all other apps).
I'm not saying that CCP is in any way wrong, I sm saying the wording of the rule is clumsy and needs fixing.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:55:00 -
[57]
Originally by: K Shara
its a sploit
there are no shades of gray here.
if you use it you are a cheat and should be banned
I doubt very much there going to ban 2000 odd accounts, it's like timecodes.... ccp's greatest recourse is to say/do nothing while letting you argue it out till you get bored.
Ofc there cheating, it's an advantage that appears on the ingame client that i do not have.
Because i do not have it on my client, it is cheating.... Against one person (me) is no different than all the rest combined.
Expect silence and no action, they won't even bother with excuses
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K Shara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.14 22:07:00 -
[58]
thing is those of us who dont cheat (the 99% of us) need to let the dev's / GM's know that we would like this stopped.
simple as that.
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rodgerd
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.08.14 22:48:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Damien Smith
Edited by: Damien Smith on 14/08/2006 15:50:46
No one can really say that nerfing local is a bad thing. Even something as simple as make it opt-in only, where you only show if you speak would do wonderful things for pvp as a whole.
I can, but then I like, you know, chatting to people in local in stuff. Meeting people. That whole "multi-player" part of the game.
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rodgerd
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.08.14 22:51:00 -
[60]
Originally by: K Shara
if you use it you are a cheat and should be banned
simple.
I guess if you can't beat the goons in PvP...
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