Originally by: CCP doesn't care!

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FUN...remember that module CCP? Urgent CCP Attention!
Or do you just opress with Sinister Bans for Criticizing you?

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Originally by: K Shara

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if ISSN use it they should be banned as well.

lets hope the coming patch fixes this

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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Official word: ISS Navy does not use this application or whatever it is.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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And yet when you log out you disappear from local and when you log in you reappear, how do the gates "log" that change then? (If you want to start using rp based arguments).

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Originally by: Dropzone 187

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I also think CCP might want to consider opening up the client for modifications. First, look at other software titles that have had their games expand - CounterStrike, Quakes, Total Annihilation, etc. It also promotes a stronger community, and as we all know CCP is short staffed so it couldn't hurt to have additional resources floating around. It is all for a better game.

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Originally by: K Shara

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well the GM's say its a sploit so its a sploit

anyone using it is sploiting and shiuld be banned :)

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Originally by: Zaphod Jones

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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Official word: ISS Navy does not use this application or whatever it is.

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Thank you for the verification on ISSN's present stance.

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Originally by: Twilight Moon

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Do you know that your sig isn't working?

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Originally by: Ifni

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Edited by: Ifni on 21/08/2006 14:45:06
There are several things that are crossing the line between legitimate and not.

Whilst looking at these images you can see what is meant about the Goonfleet setup, BOB uses a similar thing, albeit, not one that is active ingame, as far as I know.

The Goonfleet one uses harvested character ID's and replaces the downloaded character portrait with one that denotes standings, corp/alliance etc, in a quick and easy to read manner. The BOB one is also known as The Intel Project and uses harvested charactr ID's aswell.

The difference here, is that, as far as I know, the Intel Project one uses it to gather data on a player and their corps, etc, as can be seen here. Note the corp ticker displayed. This is done by leaving an alt parked in a highway system, with the logserver running. Everytime someone appears on your grid, the server relays information between clients and subsequently stores it in a log. You have several items displayed on the overview, so this data has to come to your pc.

Whilst they are both using, I would imagine, the logs generated by CCP's own logserver, and using the data within them, both cross that line into a grey area that isn't clearly enough defined by tha EULA.

With many people obviously interested in a resolution to this, maybe CCP can come up wiht some method to prevent a user reading the logserver data, and extracting character ID's from it, and from altering the character portraits.

In my defence, I may be wrong about some of what I have said, and they may be similar to the methods employed by Chribba and EVE-Search

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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Official word: ISS Navy does not use this application or whatever it is.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Originally by: Ifni

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In my defence, I may be wrong about some of what I have said, and they may be similar to the methods employed by Chribba and EVE-Search

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Comparing the fact that we auto-populate a corp ticker on our forums with Goons replacing client files is pretty out of whack Ifni. BoB have no tools whatsoever that alter any client or server related data in any way shape or form. Using data made publically available by CCP & 'right click, export to excel' does not equal altering the client and to be honest I resent being associated by implication, you're out of order in the way you present this argument.

We do not, either through our forums or otherwise breach the EULA by altering the in-game environment in any way.

I think you need to apologise or clarify what your point is by dragging us into this argument because you are way out of line comparing us to Goons little client hacking activities.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Comparing the fact that we auto-populate a corp ticker on our forums with Goons replacing client files is pretty out of whack Ifni. BoB have no tools whatsoever that alter any client or server related data in any way shape or form. Using data made publically available by CCP & 'right click, export to excel' does not equal altering the client and to be honest I resent being associated by implication, you're out of order in the way you present this argument.

We do not, either through our forums or otherwise breach the EULA by altering the in-game environment in any way.

I think you need to apologise or clarify what your point is by dragging us into this argument because you are way out of line comparing us to Goons little client hacking activities.

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Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower

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I think the main point of conjecture is the legitimacy of information harvesting in any form and BoB's system is just being cited as an example of what's possible.

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Originally by: Laughlyn Vaughns

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Imagine if they ban 70% goonfleet for a week, their enemies would go in and take over their territory

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Originally by: Deja Thoris

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Originally by: Laughlyn Vaughns

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Imagine if they ban 70% goonfleet for a week, their enemies would go in and take over their territory

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What territory?

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Originally by: Laughlyn Vaughns

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whatever area of space they stomp around in, cant imagine them not trying to claim any area of space as their own sicne mojarity of other alliances all have

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