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Sandokan	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:06:00 - [181]
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:09:00 - [182] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 20/08/2006 14:09:19 Yeah, yeah. LV and ASCN are also around - are they involved too?
Kuentai Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:15:00 - [183] Aye, the difference being that we are allied with tau and have been helping them. :) Nice posting speed. - "The good man has few enemies, but the ruthless... None."
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:24:00 - [184] Cant play too much atm so im forum whoring ;p

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:26:00 - [185] Trolling, flaming, alt posting without tags showing, all make a baby moderator cry. Please think of the babies? If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected].

Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.20 14:53:00 - [186] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower You're only able to say that when you have all of the facts; accusing us of back-stabbing our allies basically proves that you don't. I was there, I know what happened. Again, I'm not accusing you of back-stabbing. Quote: No, you didn't say that, your exact words were "You jumped in to S-E. After 1,5h fighting, you and your allies had to go back tails between your legs.", implying that we lost the initial battle at the gate and retreated. What actually happened was that we won the initial skirmish but didn't move in with Dreads to flush you guys out, and as I already stated; Razor held the system in the end and I have never disputed that. Yea, I said that. This is what I also said: "Yeah, you held the gate. If you count that as a win, good job then. If you count who held the system and who destroyed more, you lost." snip-Tirg Quote: In that case, don't make blanket statements in the future and imply that they apply to us. Again, I was there, I know what have happened. snip-Tirg Quote: So in other words, one or two Kaos corporations attempted to negotiate with Razor and you now feel perfectly justified in saying that they all did; well done. I don't think our enmity towards Razor can be questioned at this point or in the past. snip- Tirg And back to the real topic: Shame that lag is a big factor in such fights. Hopefully the new code will improve things. PS. Fant got yellow submarine -- Nobody stays behind
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.08.20 15:12:00 - [187] Originally by: Cyleth Shame that lag is a big factor in such fights. Hopefully the new code will improve things. PS. Fant got yellow submarine I think we can all agree on this point at least -----
ZePequerio Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.20 15:36:00 - [188] Originally by: Chee TCF diplomacy again not using their brains here. Your attitude only ensures the coalitions hostility to you for another few months to come. Oh my god nooooooo !! Why do you always talk about our diplomacy ?
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 15:52:00 - [189] Originally by: ZePequerio Originally by: Chee TCF diplomacy again not using their brains here. Your attitude only ensures the coalitions hostility to you for another few months to come. Oh my god nooooooo !! Why do you always talk about our diplomacy ? Maybe because this differs EVE from other "hack and slash" MMOs?
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.08.20 16:24:00 - [190] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: ZePequerio Originally by: Chee TCF diplomacy again not using their brains here. Your attitude only ensures the coalitions hostility to you for another few months to come. Oh my god nooooooo !! Why do you always talk about our diplomacy ? Maybe because this differs EVE from other "hack and slash" MMOs? Sorry to disturb your game of the sims online.
JeanNick	Posted - 2006.08.20 16:41:00 - [191] Edited by: JeanNick on 20/08/2006 16:45:10 I'll respectfully ask Beagle Corp, BoB and anyone answering posts that doesn't concern this topic to stop and go elsewhere to discuss memories of old fights. This thread has gone out of control as it seem to do with any post recalling events in a campaign. I don't even care to search to find who's the first who made a flamming-enabling comment. (Some will say it's Frederick, when he reported what he said on the first post). It might very well be one of TCF who made the famming-enabling post. Ok. It's a POS war as we need POS to take control of the conquerable. The North Coalition come in with 3:1 ratio fleets or so. (Maybe not 3:1 all the time but you get the point). We're not going to engage such fleets at gates. Moreover, the hostile dreads come at POS to of course fight them off. So that's where we need to hit. Now please. We won't wait you at gates (or wherever there's no POS) while you're hitting them. You get lag, we get lag. But you're being targeted and popped by a POS that doesn't lag. Ok. I guess I'm sorry for you. But then, be at gates and engage our fleet there, while leaving the POS alone, and by not having 3 times the pilots we have. Of course, you will not do this as it won't give you the advantage that lay at hand. We won't either choose to let the advantage of our POS unused. General Furyan stated (and he's not alone) that we're both having a campaign with roughly a local smack-free. We and the North Coalition both managed to do this. Why can't we try to post on eve-o the campaign events in the same way, smack-free? We can at least try. Furyan made suggestions about agreeing to a post content before posting it. A feasible solution? Frederick's first post, to me, doesn't include propaganda or whatever. He's stating facts. He's also stating we lost a system, lost many ships. Now, in a constructive point of view, I'll invite anyone thinking otherwise to point out what he thinks is propaganda in Frederick's post so we may at a later time make better reports of what's happening. Thanks to refrain yourself from smacking or answering in a ironous/sarcastic way form now on. (Okay, I'll get answers like "Who the hell you are to tell us what to do? I'm no one except someone from the Eve community interested to have a global picture of what's going on in Tribute, from whoever side the info comes, the moment it's fact-based. I'm also interested to get my oponent view on the same events as there's always as many sides to a story as there's involved groups) first reply on eve-o. How do I get my alliance and corp showing next to the name? it's my main here.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 19:05:00 - [192] Edited by: Fred0 on 20/08/2006 19:05:33 Originally by: JeanNick Frederick's first post, to me, doesn't include propaganda or whatever. He's stating facts. He's also stating we lost a system, lost many ships. Now, in a constructive point of view, I'll invite anyone thinking otherwise to point out what he thinks is propaganda in Frederick's post so we may at a later time make better reports of what's happening. Well it's because we don't discuss numbers ingame. Whenever you try and do that you get conflicting views. I think most of Frederiks posts so far have been borderline bull**, they are one-sided propaganda. You post around half your losses on your own board and we've blown up just as many large pos's from you that we've lost dreads. You loose every major fleet engagement iskwise and your grip on tribute has halfed. Your tactic already has switched to trying to bore us while showing your face as little as possible and only fightin when you absolutely have to. There you have the facts from our side. Whenever someone starts with the numbers it's gonna become a flamefest and initiate bad will. It always happens and it's been that way for 3 plus years now in EVE. I can't believe TCF are so stupid you do not realise this :) Boasting and Posturing will always be flamed. If you had a good fight the only thing that's ever proven itself to work is to say goodfight but shut the ** up about the numbers. That however ofcourse does not feed Frederiks inferiority complex.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.08.20 19:28:00 - [193] Originally by: Fred0 You loose every major fleet engagement iskwise Then how come you failed 10 days in a row to kick us out of Tribute ? TCF certainly doesn't have that much ISK, if EVERY time you fight you destroy more than you lose, you're GUARANTEED to win in the end if you keep presurring us since we're fighting 6 or 7 alliance at the same time, how come you stopped your offensive after 18/08 battles if you were litteraly crushing us every time you fought us ? We've looted in the range of 5B of items 18/08 while losing 10, maybe 20 BS that should give you an idea of how badly we are "crushed" isk-wise.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 19:48:00 - [194] Point proven. Everyone can see where this is going :)
Chee Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.20 20:11:00 - [195] Originally by: Amerame Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: ZePequerio Originally by: Chee TCF diplomacy again not using their brains here. Your attitude only ensures the coalitions hostility to you for another few months to come. Oh my god nooooooo !! Why do you always talk about our diplomacy ? Maybe because this differs EVE from other "hack and slash" MMOs? Sorry to disturb your game of the sims online. To ZePequario: because its one of the things known about ur alliance. is bringin it up a painfull matter that it requires a no-brainer post? Id like a more serious reply to my post actually and pull the attention away from beagle stealing your topic here Amerame, theres so much talk/diplomacy involved in this game the sims would be nothing next to it
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.20 20:12:00 - [196] Originally by: Fred0 Well it's because we don't discuss numbers ingame. Whenever you try and do that you get conflicting views. I think most of Frederiks posts so far have been borderline bull**, they are one-sided propaganda. You post around half your losses on your own board and we've blown up just as many large pos's from you that we've lost dreads. You say that you don't want to discuss numbers because that tend to ignite flaming, but you discuss killboard accuracy, which everyone know tend to give exactly the same results. We know that ours isn't completely accurate, but we make a lot of efforts in correcting that. If you have killmails that aren't posted, please send them to Frederik. If you don't want/can't do that, please stay quiet about killboard accuracy. Originally by:** Fred0 Insert random flames here Now, we realise that you need to vent some frustration here. You were just coming back from helping an ally, in one extremely laggy system against an enemy that, according to many, was smacking a lot, for weeks, and there you go, as soon as you're done another ally calls for help. And then, you realize that a fast assault won't work and that it will take weeks of bloody POS warfare and a lot of attrition for your forces, again in a laggy system. And attacking POS isn't much fun to begin with. We understand that you're ****ed off currently, but try to keep cool, ok? We know that current technical issues and game mechanics currently heavily favor defensors, and we never claimed to be "better" than the coalition. But if a massive frontal assault doesn't work, maybe you should try something else, no? ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 20:21:00 - [197] Shadowsword, I was posting that to prove it ignites flaming to give one-sided stories of events especially if they bring numbers into the equation. Thank you for proving me right and pls talk to Frederik about this now so we can end this forum silliness.
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.20 20:23:00 - [198] So much figures, so much flammes ... I read some people getting a little on nerve and i'm a bit sad about it. Good news is that in-game fights are still often smackless. Comming back to current situation i don't think that Morsus or friendly pilots would contest that TCF didn't lose any POS in D7, neither that TCF still have sovereignty there. I really wonder what would have hapened if TCF had deployed and taken sovereignty in a system like BKG in Branch ? Would some pilots complain about lag or broken POS implementation to explain that they lost sovereignty ? It looks like TCF did a wrong step when attacking in Tribute, but i also think that D2 really did a wrong step by interfering in TCF vs Morsus fight. Reason is that they are currently showing how long it take them to remove a defended POS (and maybe TCF didn't expected D2 to make that wrong step, friendship or not). I really hope for D2 that a well fitted POS is not the only reason why TCF are still there, else anyone copying our fitt would be a real pain for D2. - > Order Falcon & Pilgrim > Colsup
Nidrian Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:04:00 - [199] Edited by: Nidrian on 20/08/2006 22:08:07 Edited by: Nidrian on 20/08/2006 22:05:01 You complain about flaiming but selfe you continue with it. You startet a war in Tribute and not in Branch... So whats the point? You have one System now... Fine. But it's only one System Are you bored at your POS's so you have to start a flamefest on this board? Maybe you should start mining to use your refinery... Befor you came others thought they can have a piece of the North and more will follow after you...
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:54:00 - [200] Originally by: Sean Dillon This sounds so familar somehow... /signed /----------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong.
H4mZa	Posted - 2006.08.20 23:25:00 - [201] Edited by: H4mZa on 20/08/2006 23:26:10 Originally by: Fred0 Well it's because we don't discuss numbers ingame. Whenever you try and do that you get conflicting views. I think most of Frederiks posts so far have been borderline bull**, they are one-sided propaganda. You post around half your losses on your own board and we've blown up just as many large pos's from you that we've lost dreads. You loose every major fleet engagement iskwise and your grip on tribute has halfed. Your tactic already has switched to trying to bore us while showing your face as little as possible and only fightin when you absolutely have to. There you have the facts from our side. Whenever someone starts with the numbers it's gonna become a flamefest and initiate bad will. It always happens and it's been that way for 3 plus years now in EVE. I can't believe TCF are so stupid you do not realise this :) Boasting and Posturing will always be flamed. If you had a good fight the only thing that's ever proven itself to work is to say goodfight but shut the up about the numbers. That however ofcourse does not feed Frederiks inferiority complex. OMG i'm gonna die i see too much bull** in the same post. THIS is a typical example of propaganda .What a pathetic try to save appearences... So we post half of our losses ? I check D¦'s killboard everyday (which regroup all coalition's kills) and i compare it with our killboard and i can tell you that apart some frigs and T1 cruisers there's all our losses ... Believe me we hope that the next upgrade will put an end or at least reduce the lag so we can kill dozens of Dreadnoughts per day Now you also switched your tactic you left the boring pos war for a forum war (which is as boring as pos war). OMG the coalition has send their best forum warriors we should retreat now ! /me wonder what will be the next coalition's argument to explain their defeat... ZePequerio Section XIII [TCF]
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.21 04:38:00 - [202] To resume all this thread rapidly i gonna but ((bla bla)) to make it short :P [[We talk about the campaign Bla bla bla bla and bla bla bla.....but Morsus don't happy bla bla ba....and say that we win because of the evil Lag bla bla bla.TCF was wannabe Red alliance for some people bla bla bla and The north coalition was the best pvp Empire in the univers of Eve and nobody cannot win against their biggest skill and if somebody kick their ass than they just cheat with lag or Blob like the Goon blablabla! We kill a lots of Dreads bla bla but finally we kill 0 ennemy because are killboard was an expansion of TCF propaganda and we have make a evil deal with CCP to win Eve online with the Lag bla bla bla bla and a BOB talk here for no reason bla bla and yeah The Beagle rock bla bla and No they dont rock say the great D2 bla bla .... and a Razor trying to prove some evident theory that nobody care bla bla bla and finally a couple of my comrade trying to defend the honor of TCF but don't have think thaht its useless in a eve forum!]] ITs all! Now plz lock the thread now, its became a pool of flamme TCF, the first alliance in Eve online to win mysteriously all its battles by staying docking in NPC stations (;
General Furyan Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.21 04:59:00 - [203] I will ask all TCF members to stop posting on this thread. The kind of comments on both side will not bring any enlightment on the situation to the eve community. This didn't help any side too. Thank you, General Furyan Legion du Lys Co-Ceo Tau Ceti Federation
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.21 05:03:00 - [204] Originally by: General Furyan I will ask all TCF members to stop posting on this thread. The kind of comments on both side will not bring any enlightment on the situation to the eve community. This didn't help any side too. Thank you, General Furyan Legion du Lys Co-Ceo Tau Ceti Federation signed TCF, the first alliance in Eve online to win mysteriously all its battles by staying docking in NPC stations (;
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.21 06:59:00 - [205] This post is not a flame but more of iterating and reinforcing some fact; D2 are not interfering in ur little claim, I am a friend to almost every northern entity and have in the course of the game fought side by side with a very high no' of pilots that belong in those entities, a bond has formed forged in the hard times as well as the good times a bond it appears u cannot comprehend. When we volunteered to leave our home in Tribute to offer assistance ( which wasnt asked for) to help with the entrenched goon problem which were using the failed game mechanics of generated lag we all left( no Ques asked) when reports arrived of your invasion we opted to stay and get the job finished in Cloud ring before returning home. D2 and others like Razor our firm friends followed us back after re-establishing themselves - we never asked they just did. relationships in Eve between alliances are like this and i can safely say its in all of the norths interests to see u 'Tau Ceti' eventually removed , however long it takes. All im saying here is that i among others are proud to say we are northern residents , yes u can win a few battles but the 'WAR' is not over till the fat lady sings and my wife is silent. i will sacrifice my last ship , my last piece of isk for the North as ive always done and always will do. So use ur words of 'Blitzkrieg' and ooooo look what we have killed , doesnt impress me one bit, Tell the story once the War is over , then ill listen . or ill just say 'who were TCF again'. so continue with ur weekly updates and bore the pants off us tbh its like reading a local newspaper that u never asked to be delivered , interesting for a few reads then its at the bottom of the parrots cage forgotten. This is my last post in any TCF posturing thread (thank god i hear u say' until the war is over and i know u will be silent at that point. Good fortune and thankyou to all the Northern Residents its nice and reassuring to know that some bonds cannot be doubted or broken.
Eonov Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 07:01:00 - [206] H4mza ... errr you are meant to be who exactly ???. members.ams.chello.nl/~rdungen/neo2.jpg[/img] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Zoltaris COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.21 07:27:00 - [207] Originally by: H4mZa ZePequerio Section XIII [TCF] Obviously, he posted with his wrong char, but at least, he signed with his main ----- > Order Falcon & Pilgrim
hired goon Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:42:00 - [208] Hay guys! What's going on? No seriously it was great you should of seen; I was on page 1 and it was all compliments and no smack and etc. Then I clicked page 6 and said... I bet there's smack this far in! And there was! -omg-
Grissem Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:13:00 - [209] Originally by: NereSky but the 'WAR' is not over till the fat lady sings and my wife is silent. I don't know what your wife looks like mate but I hope she can't read these forums!!! --------- ROA till i die.......or they find someone better
Alupigus1 Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:48:00 - [210] sorry for language mistakes. Just a thought.. We have a stall in siege pos warfare, this is a general problem in EVE atm. Tactics evolves, times like a fleet of bss shooting down a POS is long gone, we talk about controlled reinforced mode here, pos fire control and ugly "deathstars". We now live in a capital era (a bob dude, wich i can't remember now, said something like that just before bob started their capital program, a little ahead of the rest of us i might add). You need a lot of capital ships to kill a pos and a lot of supporting bss. It doesn't matter how many you will bring, a siege fleet is practically a dead fleet. 3/4 of your losses goes to lag, the rest to the 7-8 XL arties from pos (incredible wrecks btw, your hearth just stops beeing hit by one). Lag at the POS is imense, still people bring bigger and bigger numbers... and numbers should matter here but a defending fleet half your size will ***** your nut pretty badly having lag on his side. What should we do? Nothing tbh, a hardware upgrade will just make them bring even bigger numbers, same result. Simple, the sistem just doesn't work right now and i have ZERO ideeas what should be done. Maybe others have, i would be very, very happy to hear some oppinions though any change will involve imense effort from CCP part. About CCP, i've read about their dreams, huge fleet battles and stuff, this is also part of their marketing image. Theoreticaly posible? Yes. Practicaly? NEVER EVER, don't fool yourself, start anchoring.

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