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frederik	Posted - 2006.08.19 06:45:00 - [1] Practice makes perfect After blitzkrieging into Tribute one month ago, TCF took the sovereignty of both H-W and D7, but it had proven to be too much to defend for just TCF. We made the decision to leave H-W and the northern coalition proceeded on taking out our dozen of PoSes one by one. One week later H-W was back into Morsus hands. Meanwhile TCF was getting ready for the final battle, D7- was being turned into a stronghold. We made plans, we brought more and more ships every day and we waited for the storm. Last weekend, after a bloody battle in the vicinity of the first planet of D7- one of our PoS was put in reinforced mode, but the next day the northern coalition's fleet was unable to get into D7- and retreated for 3 days realising they would need to bring everything they had on the table to break through our defences. And they did, a fleet of close to 400 ships jumped into D7- and once again our P1M1 PoS was put in reinforced, but something was changing with each battle over a PoS our troops became more and more experienced, we were losing fewer and fewer ships, dealing more and more damage to the enemy fleet. On friday P1M1 was going out of reinforced mode, once again we fought hard, destroyed 3 dreadnoughts and a large number of support ships. Somehow we managed to restore its shield and fuel it again, just to get it sent back into reinforced a few hours later. The fight went on all day, another 4 enemy dreadnoughts bit the dust as well as 30% of their support, no TCF PoS was put in reinforced mode during the evening, and going out of reinforced mode for the third time in 1 week the P1M1 PoS was repaired and refueled, the enemy fleet slowed down the process at the expense of a large number of battleships. After 1 week of constant fighting in D7-, no TCF PoS has been destroyed, 10 enemy dreadnoughts as well as 1 carrier were destroyed during the fights, TCF lost 2 carriers in D7-.
Kendar Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.19 07:29:00 - [2] Lag is our bigest enemy
Shittake RONA Deepspace CORE.	Posted - 2006.08.19 07:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Kendar Lag is our bigest enemy Unfortunately, these days, it seems that lag is everyone's biggest enemy in territorial disputes where POSes and Capital Ships are involved. All you need is some decent timezone coverage, a dedicated group of folks fighting for a cause, some ISK reserves, and lag can become your best friend or worst enemy. The one thing I get from the TCF vs Morsus/RAZOR/D2 folks is that things have been kept relatively civil and smack free. This is an accomplishment. Kudos to all involved.
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.08.19 07:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Kendar Lag is our bigest enemy It's certainly a factor. Simultaneously fighting a POS, and a (yes, by now, more experienced) TCF fleet whilst lagged has the feel of WW1 trench warfare: The field guns are the POS, the enemy are sniping and well dug into their trenches, and getting to them involves wading through tons of mud. In some ways it says the game is balanced: the more you squeeze a determined enemy into a single spot, the harder it becomes to assault their defensive position. Otoh lag is not a nice way to have this factor introduced. Pity there's no nuclear option :D
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.19 07:55:00 - [5] nice stats TCF
Ilmonstre Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:10:00 - [6] i never was the biggest supporter of S13 but nice stats and i wish you all good luck in your fight to preserve your stronghold and i hope for you that you guys can pull it off wich would make it a interesting regions for the other neutrals who wanna party further on.
Maltroc Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:14:00 - [7] Edited by: Maltroc on 19/08/2006 08:14:15 @ TCF POS in D7 Great work !
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:21:00 - [8] Nice and fair write up. Doesn't involve me atall but i like to hear war storie's and campaign updates like this, sounds like yourall having some hardcore action up there. Iron and G eat babie's , my views are my own, they do not refect my corp or my alliance
Sean Dillon Caldari Shadows of the Dead Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:27:00 - [9] This sounds so familar somehow...
Brisi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Kendar Lag is our bigest enemy Well, what would you expect if you jump a 400-man fleet into an already packed system? You can't say that you were surprised by the overwhelming lag? I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:47:00 - [11] Indeed, it was a nice smackless week, with many nice fights. I think that both side (at least TCF for sure) learnt a lot more about how to handle lag. Whatever happened, lag remain a major pain for both side (except for the POS guns, but, you know, a lone POS cannot kill a small bunch of DN). About bringing or not a huge fleet and suffering lag, i'd just say that basically one fleet should probably not attack a POS when a descent fleet is in system to protect it ... maybe it's how POS were designed to work (lag or not). Good luck for next fights, don't forgot to fraps :) - > Order Falcon & Pilgrim > Colsup
zyphentits Sector 7	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:04:00 - [12] Great Great story I keep it up! ---------------------------------------------
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:08:00 - [13] This campaign in Tribute is by far the best thing I participed in: no smack, huge fights against experienced enemies, and both sides are prepared to accept pretty serious losses to achieve their goals. Props to the Coalition for making is so...interesting. Just thinking about the amount of Isks already lost by both sides, or the cost of mobilising hundreds of players for weeks, is pretty staggering. By now, surely more than enough to buy a Titan. These three weeks of warfare are probably among the most violent events Eve has known yet. Some nice picture of the august 16 fight: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/217/20060816203851gc9.png The pack of ships with drones deployed in the center is the Coalition Dread fleet. ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Kasumo Sensory Overload	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:15:00 - [14] Props for your impressive resistance. Two things come to mind though: 1. It's bad for business. One system and you don't make money... 2. You get great PvP experience 3. You should really start to consider diplomatics You can't stay there for infinite amounts of time. If you don't get a agreement with D2 & friends you can leave now aswell. From you last posts I have the feeling it is your intention to be enough of a pain in the ass to finally get some space from D2 in the north. The question is whether D2 & assoaciates understand this aswell and just remove you in another heavy and extreme siege :)
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Kasumo 1. It's bad for business. One system and you don't make money... 2. You get great PvP experience 3. You should really start to consider diplomatics 1. We know that, but money isn't our primary objective. What point is being rich, if it's the only thing you acheive in a game? 2. Yes, that was one of the reasons for launching ths offensive: getting exeprience in POS warfare. 3. Our diplomacy is at work, you just don't hear about it... ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Kasumo Props for your impressive resistance. Two things come to mind though: 1. It's bad for business. One system and you don't make money... 2. You get great PvP experience 3. You should really start to consider diplomatics You can't stay there for infinite amounts of time. If you don't get a agreement with D2 & friends you can leave now aswell. From you last posts I have the feeling it is your intention to be enough of a pain in the ass to finally get some space from D2 in the north. The question is whether D2 & assoaciates understand this aswell and just remove you in another heavy and extreme siege :) And get them back to dock/undock/logoff/logon fights in venal... take your pick which you like more. Looks like pos + fleet is a bit too strong combination atm. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Maltroc Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:48:00 - [17] Originally by: LUKEC Looks like pos + fleet is a bit too strong combination atm. Yes. It is.
Kendar Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.19 10:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Brisi Originally by: Kendar Lag is our bigest enemy Well, what would you expect if you jump a 400-man fleet into an already packed system? You can't say that you were surprised by the overwhelming lag? 400 was the number of people in local we and allies + tcf and allies
joshua cane COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Kendar Originally by: Brisi Originally by: Kendar Lag is our bigest enemy Well, what would you expect if you jump a 400-man fleet into an already packed system? You can't say that you were surprised by the overwhelming lag? 400 was the number of people in local we and allies + tcf and allies to be exact 440 people in local including 110 tcf
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:49:00 - [20] Hate to flame but I'd bet a lot of isk this has nothing to do with skill or practice and everything to do lag and broken POS mechanics. It's another C-J, just proving that large battle POS + half decent logistics + mid size fleet = an unassailable target by ANY alliance or group of alliances. I don't blame RA or TCF for playing the game this way, they're simply creating the hardest target possible to defend their stations with as any sensible 0.0 entity would. But please, don't come on to the forums and tell us your victory has any relation to skill and practice. lol. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Shadowsword Some nice picture of the august 16 fight: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/217/20060816203851gc9.png I'll quote local channel from the screenshot: Bombcrater > Welcome to People's Republic of Lagistan. Please leave your drones at the door. Thank you. *People never lie more than before the elections, during a war or after hunting.*
Rainarchy Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Zhaine Hate to flame but I'd bet a lot of isk this has nothing to do with skill or practice and everything to do lag and broken POS mechanics. It's another C-J, just proving that large battle POS + half decent logistics + mid size fleet = an unassailable target by ANY alliance or group of alliances. I don't blame RA or TCF for playing the game this way, they're simply creating the hardest target possible to defend their stations with as any sensible 0.0 entity would. But please, don't come on to the forums and tell us your victory has any relation to skill and practice. lol. As a particpant in the conflict and enemy of TCF - if TCF wants to do a little chestbeating on the forums is fine by me. The OP say they are doing better fight for fight. Good for them. Moving along......
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:12:00 - [23] I'll start with: F*** FORUMS!!! ATE MY LONG POST AGAIN!!! -------------------------------------------------------- Zhaine - very true. Deathstar POS + decent fleet = almost impossible to remove. I'd wish only for one thing: sov. POSes shouldnt use any guns (or maybe some small ones as defence against 1-2 hostile BS) so the fleet would be required to defend em. As for your victories TCF - its nothing too special. If you followed forums you should already know that goons could do the same using only t1 frigs/cruisers. Why? Because of borked POS mechanics and its nothing that can be helped atm. (im 100% sure i had sth better to say but after 15 minutes of writing and EVE forums eating my post i cant repeat everything :/)
Buxaroo Black Dwarf	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Shadowsword Some nice picture of the august 16 fight: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/217/20060816203851gc9.png The pack of ships with drones deployed in the center is the Coalition Dread fleet. "Welcome to the People's Republic of Lagistan. Please leave your drones at the door. Thank you" Holy ****, that's gonna be in my bio AND my new sig. That was great quoteable text in that chat box rofl.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:25:00 - [25] Well, not really something to brag about. You have more POSes in the System, and lag makes it kinda impossible to remove the POSes. We will see if the new Code will bring any improvements, but I doubt it. In terms of military this is a joke, your outgunned, your outskilled, you should basicly have no chance. What gives you this victory? Flawed game mechanics combined with lag. But is this really a victory? No, we dont feel defeated at all, all our grudge is directed to CCP and the server, your just an annoyance which will be dealt with properly. How many Dreads will it take? I dont know yet, CCP has us to tell how this game should work in the current shape. Dont expect us to have any money problems cause of the lost Dreads, we were prepared for it, and we will take whatever it needs to remove you. Dont expect us to give up, only cause this game moved into this ****ty state. Unless we all decide to leave this game, you will get no peace and you wont get any piece of Tribute. You did the same mistake like the goons, you connected your fate with holding one system, and when the system falls you will fall and Ill make sure that you will hit hard on the ground of reality. D7 has no use for you and will never have. We dont make peave with people who just bring boring POS wars, they dont earn our respect and they dont deserve our respect. From Dusk till Dawn
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:26:00 - [26] Well, not really something to brag about. You have more POSes in the System, and lag makes it kinda impossible to remove the POSes. We will see if the new Code will bring any improvements, but I doubt it. In terms of military this is a joke, your outgunned, your outskilled, you should basicly have no chance. What gives you this victory? Flawed game mechanics combined with lag. But is this really a victory? No, we dont feel defeated at all, all our grudge is directed to CCP and the server, your just an annoyance which will be dealt with properly. How many Dreads will it take? I dont know yet, CCP has us to tell how this game should work in the current shape. Dont expect us to have any money problems cause of the lost Dreads, we were prepared for it, and we will take whatever it needs to remove you. Dont expect us to give up, only cause this game moved into this ****ty state. Unless we all decide to leave this game, you will get no peace and you wont get any piece of Tribute. You did the same mistake like the goons, you connected your fate with holding one system, and when the system falls you will fall and Ill make sure that you will hit hard on the ground of reality. D7 has no use for you and will never have. We dont make peave with people who just bring boring POS wars, they dont earn our respect and they dont deserve our respect. From Dusk till Dawn
1naz The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:26:00 - [27] An excellent time and a pleasure.
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Nafri Well, not really something to brag about. You have more POSes in the System, and lag makes it kinda impossible to remove the POSes. We will see if the new Code will bring any improvements, but I doubt it. In terms of military this is a joke, your outgunned, your outskilled, you should basicly have no chance. What gives you this victory? Flawed game mechanics combined with lag. But is this really a victory? No, we dont feel defeated at all, all our grudge is directed to CCP and the server, your just an annoyance which will be dealt with properly. How many Dreads will it take? I dont know yet, CCP has us to tell how this game should work in the current shape. Dont expect us to have any money problems cause of the lost Dreads, we were prepared for it, and we will take whatever it needs to remove you. Dont expect us to give up, only cause this game moved into this ****ty state. Unless we all decide to leave this game, you will get no peace and you wont get any piece of Tribute. You did the same mistake like the goons, you connected your fate with holding one system, and when the system falls you will fall and Ill make sure that you will hit hard on the ground of reality. D7 has no use for you and will never have. We dont make peave with people who just bring boring POS wars, they dont earn our respect and they dont deserve our respect. well said
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Machiavelli7 Ouch Nafri, we feel your pain Fact is, TCF have won plaudits & respect across eve for still being there, one month later, without even asking for help from anyone. How many alliances are they fighting now? Isn't it like 5 or 6? Lag or no lag, if the TCF invasion would have happened in Delve, somehow i think that they wouldn't still be there now. Then you just dont know how the game and lag works. Suggest you try it out and come again with a clue. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Citizen X Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:54:00 - [30] Edited by: Citizen X on 19/08/2006 12:54:05 Congrats to TCF for last night - your change in tactics where great. However the fact even with only 230 on locals, means I generally can't lock and if I do, my guns never fire. If you issue a warp it takes 3 minutes to occur. I note with painful interest POS's don't lag and have perfered CPU prority. The game is broken and not fit for large scale warfare. If this the case, then we need to some how limit the number of people is systems to a level where EVE actually runs. It seems the drive for additional players has eaten the 64bit improvement see got up very fast. See cya in D7 TCF

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