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Bluestealth Minmatar Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.24 05:25:00 - [91] Originally by: Valkazm frankly most of the coalition get alot done with our time i mean i have a RL friend and his corp joined TnT to just be in the empire war and then they left .. were not talking about a well organized machine here were talking about players with immense patience and others jumping on the bandwagon to fight .. In empire .. You know little of arrangments between TnT and RA, we didn't really do those wars completely out of the kindness of our hearts. I wasn't fighting for RA at all, the fact that we had war dec'd LV was great, I could care less about Ghost, KOS, etc... just random corps I didn't care about. I am not a member of RA, I am not a close friend of RA, atm I am pretty much a merc, but I am always willing to accept any war against M Corp./Shinra and company.
Wrayeth Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.24 05:28:00 - [92] Originally by: DigitalCommunist You need to relax, if I was trying to offend you I could do a lot better. Apology accepted, if that's what it was. lol In all seriousness, I'm just a bit fed up with life in general atm, so my tolerance is a bit low. Quote: - the ends definitely justify the means - not everyone defines "fun" the same way as you Now if only you learned that player presence is more essential to holding territory than POS, you'd be on the road to true enlightenment. Yes, player presence is definitely more important. Unfortunately, real life intrudes on this, and people need to sleep, go to work, spend time with family, etc. For this reason, the coalition was not able to estabilish a 24 hour presence significant enough to destroy RA's spammed POS. It does not help that the game mechanics and lag work together to ensure that an alliance (or group of alliances) that cannot be strong during all timezones due to RL gets screwed over if someone spams POS on them. I give RA credit for being tenacious, but ultimately the coalition was defeated more by game mechanics and lag than anything else. I was one of the dread pilots sieging f2a, so I have firsthand experience with the problem. We could amass 20 dreads and ten carriers with a support fleet of several hundred people during peak hours, but during our off times, at most we could get five or six dreads, a carrier or two, and a support fleet of about thirty or forty people. Given the fact that RA could choose the time when the POS came out of reinforced, they always came out during a time when RA's capital and conventional forces significantly outnumbered both our available capital and available conventional fleets. This allowed them to recharge the POS shields and refuel pretty much with impunity; the few times the coalition forces tried to respond during this timezone, they were massacred due to being massively outgunned. Again, we were defeated by game mechanics. POS-spam warfare, among other things, is why I've given up on being part of a territory-holding alliance for the moment. I like the idea of POS and sovereignty, but the execution is flawed; I won't have anything to do with it until it's fixed. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 05:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Wrayeth I like the idea of POS and sovereignty, but the execution is flawed; I won't have anything to do with it until it's fixed. Yeah, I want fix too. I want that large towers cost 1 isk, and I can fuel it once per year and fuel will be 1 unit of tritanium. Couse it no fun for Wrayeth to keep POSes in online mode during several month. ---- CEO.
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 06:10:00 - [94] Edited by: Komolov on 24/08/2006 06:12:16 Yes, yes. /me votes for what Papa said with both hands. And also i petitioned CCP to issue to me brand new Astarte every week for FREE! Because earn money every time you loose it for new one IS BORING!!! It's game mecanics flaw!!! --------------------
lazyb22 M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.24 06:39:00 - [95] Now Im not one for posting alot on the forums but here is a great place to say this. RA have done a great job at doing what they have been doing. I have been at war with RA for over 1 1/2 years. Everyday almost fighting, chasing, running, and having alot of fun. I was never for one to smack in local but would defer to some good convos with RA in local. You know who you are. :P Anyway this is how I see it and like Ive said Ive had front row seats the whole movie. :P :P When the [5] decided to take cache way back when, thats when it all started. It was a difficult war then with them because of the pos style warfare then, when a small tower could claim sov and they were dirt cheap. RA did a fantastic job with their protection of cache for a long time. There was lot of battles then and lots of tactics on both sides that started flame wars that continue today. The seed was set then and it has grow into a fierce passion from both sides. Alot of respect was gained and alot of hate was built. When the [5] decided to pull out of cache the first time it was known by RA we were pulling out hoping that after the next patch the pos issue would be resolved and we could try again with better success. In the meantime LV was created, RA expanded. Talks between RA and LV took place. Their was almost a chance of a soft peace between LV and RA. Talks turned south and we told them we would find another way which we did. Later a few alliances decided they wanted thier own space which at the time was in RAs hands. Thats when the coalition began. LV and V already were positive and working somewhat together for the destruction of RA. KOS and CHIMP asked us to help them claim some space from RA. We agreed, and at this time we knew we didnt want to own the remaining space RA laid claim to we had what we needed already. LV went into the coalition with an intent to remove RA from 0.0 space, LV due to the previous meetings with RA had a bitter taste in our mouth and this coming after the seed had been planted from cache and had grown up. So of we go for the removal of RA from 0.0 space. The coalition did well. It took awhile for all of the organization to kinda come together from the 4 alliances but we came together and slowy took most of RAs regions. We made it all the way to one system, P7. As we took each region from RA each corp that lived in that region left RA. Some stayed and pulled back to cache but most left for empire as most of thier isk making was stopped, except for the complex work. Man are RA good at running complexes they are the masters of timing it at the spawns and getting it done and done fast it amazing how they do it. With that and the fat wallet they had already they were able to hold onto c-j. They did lose P7 though. Without the gap RA found they would have lost all regions. But they were able to put a GIANT foothold in c-j. They would carrier in poses and fuel. The coalition could do nothing about it. We camped C-J for 2 weeks. A few fights but not many and the fights only happened when RA had numbers. It was the way they had to fight they had lost almost all of thier alliance the ones left where the pvpers that could do magic with the syle of game play they use. MUCH REPECT for that guys nobody can ever say you dont have the will. RA was able to claim f2a as well but the coalition held strong and reclaimed it. C-J was RAs last foothold. RA planned an almost flawless tactical war using game mechanics and gorilla tactics. They were hard to catch and rarely fought toe to toe although it happened jsut not very often, and yes most of the time the were the victors because they choose when and where. The coalition set up a great plan of attack to finally hit c-j after a few previously failed attempts. With the help of ASCn we set out to complete our task of removing RA from 0.0 space. This was our plan from the start not to detroy RA but just to remove...
lazyb22 M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.24 06:56:00 - [96] them from 0.0. We hit it and we hit it hard it would have been an epic battle without the lag, and actually it was an epic battle because it was massive the amount of firepower that was on that battle field was very impressive from both sides. RA a couple carriers 50-60 T2 pure damage very skilled BSs Coalition 30+ Dreads 20+ carriers 50-60 T2 pure damage very skilled BSs Thats alot of firepower. With that many BSs in each fleet some could fire some could not but the ones that could fire would kill whatever was target and with the coalition at a hostile pos we were lsoing ships. In the end we lost a few Dreads and Carriers lots of BSs and many other ships. RA defended C-J with everything they had. In normal conditions if EVE was not so laggy it would have been a massive fight. The biggest I think in EVE so far with the amount of capital ships in play. In normal gameplay without lag you tell me who would have won the fight in the end looking at just the massive firepwer on the field. But with the way the game is today it is full effect for RA to defend thier alst system and they did a magnificant job of it. With all that going on in the meantime the coalition had tried many times to place good alliances in Cache because nobody in the coalition wanted it, we just didnt want RA to have it. We were not successful in getting anybody strong enough to compete with RA. RA has now taking most of Cache back without much of a fight. CONGRATS GUYS. In the end The Coalition decided to stop this push until the game mechanics can be fixed to support the massive fleet battles promised to us but never delivered. The war will continue. The POS war wont. Until we can either find a way to fight the lag or CCP fixes the game to support it. I have to say this war has been fun and very frustrating at the same time. Fighting the same guys over and over and over again it gets hard to figure out a new way to come at them. This hasnt been a problem with RA they have VERY SUCCESSFULLY learned to adapt. The coalition is still trying to catch up. :P When we catch up or game mechanics are changed we will continue. I have made a few friends in RA- MACTEP, RASATAN, Vashi (<-claims to not be in RA lol), you guys are great and I have to respect you guys as much as I hate you. :) ( I really dont hate you just a figure of speech that I think fits the situation). RA you have given me 1 1/2 years of absolutly intense fun and lots of frustrating nights. TYVM. CHEERS GUYS-Heres to the battle that will never stop and respect to those in RA that have earned mine. U know who you are. Lazyb22 Director Mcorp Proud member of LV. -----this is my disclaimer----- P.S. These views are mine not my alliance or my corps. I give them from my viewpoint and thru my eyes.
k1Lz Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.24 07:34:00 - [97] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan Simple fact. The coalition had roughly 10:1 advantage in manpower over RA. The way that was employed ended up being more of a liability than the assest it should have been. More ppl in a system means MORE LAG, POS war and LAG creates impossible situation Tau Ceti know about this from D7 fight with D2 but hell lets flame the others. For all suckers who think the coalition is week that RA is so uber why donÆt u join them maybe this way we gone have some targets and not only 3:1 engagements or ganking squads making kills on the noobs from belts. If u donÆt like RA pls step inside alone lets make a tango i`m sure u guys like to dance.
Exus Caldari Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.24 07:38:00 - [98] I think that if the coalition would really kill RA, they'll just do it. the coalition needs targets, sometimes RA gain new territory, sometimes they lost some because the coalition bring some real tactics and heavy camp. the only thing about all that flame/lame is if the coalition decide to hit hard and kill/desesperate the RA members. they can. they just have to ask their pilot for more dedication. its not that hard. but anyway RA is very very strong in their minds. they dont give up. so even with a high occupation of RA territories and total removing of RA in the south. they'll come back again and again. the only way to remove them is to break the internet wire that comes from russia :p ______________________________ Guristas Powered
tookar Amarr Krookid	Posted - 2006.08.24 07:46:00 - [99] I agree the pos system is the same for everyone but it is almost impossible to take a deathstar pos defended by even a small enemy fleet . Add to this the fact that RA will leave one guy cloaked in a system who will then phone his mates up at 4am or 5am to jump in and ss and logoff and you have unconquerable space . The defence for RA would not have been so easy if they held more space , the fact that it was only 1-2 systems meant that the majority of RA players logged 1 of their sniping bs in one of those systems and simply logged in to attack any attacking capital fleet . Kudos to RA for their "logistics" (using carrier bug to spam large posses in c-j just before/after dt) they did a good job since the carrier bug was fixed . The simple fact is that the coalition could have taken the RA systems but it wasnt worth the cost in both time (weeks and weeks of camping for 18 large pos) and the fact that you are garuanteed to lose cap ships even if only 30 sniping bs warp in on your cap fleet at the pos . Lag plus overpowered pos are to blame mostly not RA tactics although they are known to use every borderline explouit in the game which i myself consider lame . I have personally been caught in RA login traps and seen them log a sniping bs fleet in a dictor bubble before uncloaking when our support fleet caught them napping so thats my opinion . I think we need to have pos guns which have to be manually activated (still fire at a random tyarget) and re-activated every 2 minutes or so . At least this would make the lagfest at a pos a more level playing field as not being able to activate the rep on your dread is a damn sad way to lose a cap ship . All in all RA taking the stations there will be good for the whole area maybe now everyone can enjoy some good fights and stay away from pos warfare and as i say it was impressive that they took the stations but not how they did it .
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:17:00 - [100] Originally by: k1Lz For all suckers who think the coalition is week that RA is so uber why donÆt u join them maybe this way we gone have some targets and not only 3:1 engagements or ganking squads making kills on the noobs from belts. If u donÆt like RA pls step inside alone lets make a tango i`m sure u guys like to dance. OMG, the "COME WE ARE UBER I SWEAR TO GOD WE WON'T RUN!!!1111" Card. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:18:00 - [101] Wasn't RA was the 3rd largest alliance ingame. 2,4k+ members. They had a lot of regions. The RA war was very "unfair" too during the beginnning, wasn't it? They had a lot of "friendlies" in those regions. LV & co made new allies and RA shrinked (allies leaving, important corps leaving etcetc) down to 800 members. Hmmm, why can't RA have allies? Maybe if an alliance starts loosing a war and in progress loses a lot of it members (gets "outblobbed"). The remaining members should revert to gamemechanics and alarmclocks, poswar the whole place etcetc. Then make forumsposts about the opponents being so unfair(blobbing 10:1), keep mentioning how dedicated and good you are and on top of that get respect from EVE community. Sounds like a plan.
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:20:00 - [102] I'll say it again. Since ERA pulled out of Cache, RA have been allowed to retake it with no struggle. A stalemate has been reached, we cannot take their last system no matter how many people we throw at it, so if they have one station there is little point in us continually fighting to hold Cache from them, at great expense / no benefit to ourselves. (the isk required to hold these systems which we do not populate is better spent elsewhere) RA will take all of Cache, we won't even try to stop them. They then need to make up their minds whether they are happy with what they have, or if they want more and are prepared to fight for it on our terms. Also, thanks for your post above lazyb22, a good account of the situation and my feelings for RA right now. To RA: Take Cache, but remember that your actions from this day will determine if we (the coalition) one day will again attempt to take it back from you when conditions are right. If however there can be mutual respect then the future can be different to the one we have known for the last 1.5 years. M.Corp BPC Packages
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:28:00 - [103] Edited by: Komolov on 24/08/2006 08:31:45 Excellent post lazyb. Only wrong assumption here - RA ppl stopped raising iskies in 0.0 after loosing stations. They didn't. Zanarkand we had 1600 members and a lot of friendly miners. Miners ran wherever they can mine or turned into hardcore pvp and joined RA (good portion of Reunion were miners in Scalding Pass), French wing went up north and English wing slowly left because of many issues (lack of coordination, lack of fun for them, wish to join stronger party). So we have 800 members left and it is better for alliance to have lower numbers who want to fight and to win than to have 2000+ whiners. --------------------
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:31:00 - [104] Edited by: Komolov on 24/08/2006 08:31:11 double --------------------
Burzon PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:39:00 - [105] Originally by: Komolov Edited by: Komolov on 24/08/2006 08:31:11 double All i can say is: Yo mom !!!! and .... Komolov, long time no see Cheers Burzon CEO PAX Interstellar Proud Member of -V-
PriceCheckMax	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:41:00 - [106] Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 24/08/2006 08:41:30
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:42:00 - [107] Edited by: Zanarkand on 24/08/2006 08:42:38 Originally by: Komolov Edited by: Komolov on 24/08/2006 08:31:45 Excellent post lazyb. Only wrong assumption here - RA ppl stopped raising iskies in 0.0 after loosing stations. They didn't. Zanarkand we had 1600 members and a lot of friendly miners. Miners ran wherever they can mine or turned into hardcore pvp and joined RA (good portion of Reunion were miners in Scalding Pass), French wing went up north and English wing slowly left because of many issues (lack of coordination, lack of fun for them, wish to join stronger party). So we have 800 members left and it is better for alliance to have lower numbers who want to fight and to win than to have 2000+ whiners. But why do I keep hearing the 10000:800 argument all over again? We have a lot of people in alliances who don't care about PvP/RA either. You do better with 800 dedicated members? Fine, that's your tactic, but having forumwars about the unfair cloalition who outblob 10:1 and whining about it makes RA cool... I guess.
Nyssa Dakalsai Cosmic Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:43:00 - [108] Go Go RA! <3
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:45:00 - [109] Edited by: Komolov on 24/08/2006 08:45:32 Originally by: Burzon Komolov, long time no see Burzon Good to hear that. This means you haven't noticed me in local 28Y when i was seeking some V to kill :) --------------------
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:54:00 - [110] Originally by: Zanarkand But why do I keep hearing the 10000:800 argument all over again? That was initialy answer to the question why RA is not using conventional fleet warfare. And it is still valid point. If neccessary coalition is able to field 500+ units of cannon fodder anytime. Also i suppose you've heard "rotation" term. So coalition can perform rotation of troops deployed against RA on regular basis and give the rest to coming from frontlines. While we can not replace pilots with the fresh ones. And this can create many long-term effects on both sides. --------------------
Mr Happ Gallente Hellbound Saints	Posted - 2006.08.24 08:55:00 - [111] Originally by: Major Stormer After viewing the latest (wonderful) eve online alliances map, i see red alliance have taken back a region. what does this mean for the area itself? Clearly the efforts to remove red alliance is failing.....what are the latest reports from the battlefield? The point is moot, RA roll around in pos warfare, off the grid safe spots and well lets face it, they wont fight you unless they gank/snipe or outnumber you. There very hard to kill, simply because they wont fight and they sneak around with instas refuelling possess. Kinda well, lame tbh, but hell, we all play differ dont we?
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.24 09:01:00 - [112] Originally by: Audrea 1) When the US fought the war in Korea and lost it - you had a superpower fighting SMALL, badly funded country - and they lost!! granted, they had support of their competitors (USSR), but still inferior organization, technology etc. Only thing they had plenty of is determination - thats something the coalition doesnt have. You're just an idiot tbh. Plus, since you clearly know nothing about history you should refrain from trying (poorly) to apply it to a game.
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 09:14:00 - [113] Originally by: Mr Happ they wont fight you unless they gank/snipe or outnumber you. There very hard to kill, simply because they wont fight and they sneak around with instas refuelling possess. Kinda well, lame tbh, but hell, we all play differ dont we? Accidentally some RA were catched offguard by mighty coalition. http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=24 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=21 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=15 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=19 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=11 --------------------
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.24 09:36:00 - [114] Originally by: Komolov Originally by: Mr Happ they wont fight you unless they gank/snipe or outnumber you. There very hard to kill, simply because they wont fight and they sneak around with instas refuelling possess. Kinda well, lame tbh, but hell, we all play differ dont we? Accidentally some RA were catched offguard by mighty coalition. http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=24 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=21 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=15 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=19 http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=11 bye bye mr happ. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.24 09:40:00 - [115] It's been a great ride for the past year, that's for sure. RA have played the game, using every trick in the game to their advantage. No point in complaining about the tricks, game allows them and you've mastered them. The tactics learned in the battlefield here in order to get a kill, will surely get everyone involved kills anywhere they go -- you wouldn't believe how slippery some of these guys are . There's a sense of great pleasure when you see Atlus or RaSatan pop. Apart from few individuals, fights are always smack free (wish I could say same about our side) -- even friendly when Komolov & Star Hunter are around. I'm sure we'll have plenty more fights, so keep having fun the way you want to guys. GF so far!
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.24 09:58:00 - [116] Edited by: Darcuese on 24/08/2006 10:00:59 Motivation is the key of the puzzle. Nuff said Edit: not determination, motivation -------------------------------------------- Im free for advertising atm
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 10:01:00 - [117] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 24/08/2006 10:01:19 Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: ashley mantis cheap tactics? saying that while having more than 10:1 ratio at base numbers, that my friend is cheap tactics. what isnt cheap tactics is a vastly outnumbered alliance using game mechanics to fend off all you, while taking regions from you, thats not cheap, thats skill. That's not skill - anyone can do what RA's doing if they're strong during a timezone when their opponent is weak. That's the problem, and one of the (many) reasons POS warfare sucks. As for cheap tactics, have you ever fought RA? No? Well, let me mention a few things. * Log on traps. * Warp core stabs (lots of them). * Leaving a cloaked covert in system while the pilot is AFK to prevent NPCers and miners from making ISK. I could mention quite a few more, but I can't be bothered to type out a long post today. Copied into my bio :D priceless - BH
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 10:06:00 - [118] Originally by: Wrayeth Leaving a cloaked covert in system while the pilot is AFK to prevent NPCers and miners from making ISK. Haha. /me guilty --------------------
cflux Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.24 10:27:00 - [119] Edited by: cflux on 24/08/2006 10:28:48 Originally by: Komolov Originally by: Wrayeth Leaving a cloaked covert in system while the pilot is AFK to prevent NPCers and miners from making ISK. Haha. /me guilty <3 Komolov. Every day you guys keep clearing coalition out of these people, we grow stronger. It is indeed sad that some people don't see unknown in local as opportunity to bait in space and pick a fight - or are unable to move few systems if they are in dire need of isk. Every alliance has/had those people, so does RA. I just want to make a remark of people claiming in this thread that Coalition blows or such, based on fact we had to drop cache back to RA. You guys have no idea how fierce and cunning RA is as opponent, they adapt fast and you have to constantly think new ways of baiting them to fight. We do, we still took several regions from them and have fought em russian horde for over a year. Even if we have manpower to cycle pilots at front, it dosn't mean we are willing to pay billions to uphold a region we ourself don't have use for. The way POS warfare is designed does not allow you to hold regions that are not providing you with income, it just costs too much. And I'm having fun, my friends are having fun, isn't that the bottom line? If I want turkey shoot, I join or form a gang and fly with it out of coalition space, far from RA who are the hard opponents. On the other hand, If I want to test myself if I have gotten any better as a player or as a gangleader I head down to C-J and poke RA a bit. --
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 11:05:00 - [120] Edited by: Komolov on 24/08/2006 11:06:17 Originally by: cflux <3 Komolov. Every day you guys keep clearing coalition out of these people And i bet you all were happy when those carebears like amstaffuuu and friends left you. Can i return favor by mentioning similar help from coalition to RA. :) --------------------

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