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Cynadore
3 R Corporation
8
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Posted - 2014.11.03 08:31:24 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Would appreciate some advice on how to avoid this from happening. cheers
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
446
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Posted - 2014.11.03 08:57:26 -
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If you have the skills to survive a suicide gank, you might as well not be playing in high-sec.
Make friends. Get out of your comfort zone. Go somewhere else where everyone works together to keep each other (relatively) safe.
For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
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Valkin Mordirc
397
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Posted - 2014.11.03 09:04:05 -
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My Advice?
Don't autopilot, if you happen to be autopiloting, you might as well kiss your ship good bye. Because you have just told everyone around you, "Hey I'm not at my keyboard, etc etc."
Tank your ship, For the most part Mining Barges get ganked because they have gone for the max yield and forgone any type of tank, which makes them easy targets.
Don't try to moving stuff more expensive than your hull. EI: A bunch of T2 mods in an Itron.
Pay attention. Know your where your going and if your going through any ganking hotspots, Like Nairja and Udema.
If you have a scout use it,
Use the Cloak MWD trick.
Pay attention to local.
If you need to move a BUNCH of a stuff, like Ships and ships worth, Contract RedFrog.
If all else fails you can always move to Solitude and slowly go insane, seems like most people there are batshit crazy anyhow.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Miromme Echerie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.03 10:52:48 -
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Be a worse target than someone else. If you can see an obvious scam contract (e.g. 100m reward, 5bn collateral, goes through Uedama), wait for someone to pick it up.. And then go along. If you're not carrying a lot of stuff, they're not going to want to risk waiting out the 15m timer and losing that 5bn contract. Or you can have your alt scan freighters (and orcas) going through the chokepoint for a better target and go in after that one. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
641
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:01:24 -
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- Missions: Officer and blue fittings are not suitable for missions. They may be appropriate in fleet based stuff like Incursions but even there they aren't needed. A Blue fit Golem is gank bait and garbage you won't replace when you lose it, you will figure out why when you lose it.
- Hauling: Pay attention to what you are hauling, know that a blockade runner can't be scanned, know that people flapping about how they blow up all Blockade runners because stuff, are full of it. If you need to haul in a Freighter, have a web alt and most important, don't Auto pilot.
- Mining: Plag and Veld are the ore that make money right now. Mining them in .8 or .5 will be just as boring and will make the same amount of ISK. One has a 20 second Concord response, one has a 7 second Concord response. You have amplified the dps output of a gank squad by 300% just by choosing to mine in what is essentially, garbage space. Tank is not an option, even in .8 sec. If the tank forces them to find 40 Destroyers or 10 Tier 3 BC's to destroy you they will give up. Gankers are lazy that way. If they wanted to work for their ISK they would be mining beside you or running a mission.
Last but not least, if you find yourself being pestered by people all too often, leave the game drop your sub and play something else. EVE the game you would like it to be won't be EVE the game we get stuck with because someone else is in a mood. That needs to be relayed in the most influential way possible when required and money talks. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:12:19 -
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Kaely Tanniss wrote:Ilithyia Borgia wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Would appreciate some advice on how to avoid this from happening. cheers . Step 1: Buy a permit Step 2: Follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct www.minerbumping.com Best tank you can fit...and it doesn't even take a slot on your ship :)
And MOST important: Its USELESS!
http://gankerbumping.blogspot.de/2014/10/permit-tank-is-best-tank.html
and the discussion in this forum:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=371735
So buying a permit is not only useless, you have to wear a "badge of shame" in you bio.
tl;dr
do not buy a "permit"
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Beers Veldspar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:22:58 -
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Ganking is bullying and can lead to serious psychological damages.
As he already played a big part in getting some gankers banned for good, Veers is here to help you.
Veers Belvar, heroic figure in Highsec dedicated to preserving "Truth, justice, and the American way."
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Nick Starkey
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
85
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:29:57 -
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The only thing you need against suicide gankers is to not be worth ganking to begin with. It's not really hard.
For mining use skiffs with a damage control and a full shield tank on mid slots and you will get ignored for easier targets. Doesn't really matter if you're AFK at this point. For haulers all you need to do is either keep your cargo low enough and the hauler tanked enough to survive a few tornados, or use a blockade runner with bookmarks. If you are carrying high value low volume cargo just use an instawarp interceptor with instadocks/undocks and you are virtually uncatchable in highsec (brick tanked 400k+ ehp T3 covert cruisers are also an option). If you have large amounts of cargo and no safe transportation just make public contracts with a sufficient collateral and let someone else take the risk for you. Don't autopilot because it's a pointless feature.
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
37
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:30:44 -
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People never try to suicide gank me, I feel left out.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4125
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:34:16 -
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Beers Veldspar wrote:Ganking is bullying and can lead to serious psychological damages.
As he already played a big part in getting some gankers banned for good, Veers is here to help you. you should ask remiel pollard for your old corp back beers |
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Miromme Echerie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:34:20 -
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- Missions: Blue fittings are not suitable for missions. A Blue fit Golem is gank bait. I don't necessarily agree with this. You can (on some things) can a decent increase in tank for a pretty small price increase.
- Hauling: Know that people flapping about how they blow up all Blockade runners because stuff, are full of it. Not all of them. If you have the ISK and you're bored af, you might as well kill a few haulers, and since you're doing it for the lols, no reason not to attack BRs.
- Mining: Plag and Veld are the ore that make money right now. I agree with Plag (specifically Rich plag because +10%) but Veldspar? I suppose it's alright isk wise, but (not including high-yield versions), omber is the only thing worse than Veldspar in highsec at Jita prices.
- Mining: Gankers are lazy that way. If they wanted to work for their ISK they would be mining beside you. Did you put a joke in here? You can't really count mining as "work".
- Final points: Last but not least, if you find yourself being pestered by people all too often, leave the game drop your sub and play something else. EVE the game you would like it to be won't be EVE the game we get stuck with because someone else is in a mood. That needs to be relayed in the most influential way possible when required and money talks.
Right. So, you want to make highsec safe. And ruin other peoples gameplay? Some people actually like suicide ganking and ruining peoples days. And no, they don't have to be sick twisted 'insert word of choice' pedophiles that fap to kiddy **** all day to enjor being the villain. They can't do it in real life, and maybe they've always dreamed of playing the villain and ruining some peoples days, and eve allows them to do that. (I take this argument seriously because it's a stupid one. Eve is a sandbox. If you want a themepark, there are other games that allow you to mine alone.)
TL;DR Hauling - People will, if they have the ISK to burn and are bored. Mining1(oreprices) - Omber is the only highsec ore worse than Veldspar. Mining2(ganking) - Mining isn't work. Final points - It's a sandbox, taking away highsec suicide ganking is ruining what some people like to do.
Righto. So, now permits are badges of shame. I swear, some people.. Show me on the freighter doll where the catalyst shots wrecked it. It's not useless. 1. Have a permit. 2. Follow the code. 3. Don't get suicide ganked. People normally fail at 2, even after they have a permit. So it gets revoked. It's like having following the rules and having a passport. Except in this case it's a permit. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
446
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Posted - 2014.11.03 12:36:16 -
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Just assume everyone not blue is red.
Easy as that.
Ps: interceptors are the best thing imaginable for low volume high value cargo. If I can rip though camps for fun in null, I can damned sure make it through high sec |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
763
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Posted - 2014.11.03 12:44:58 -
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- use neutral incognito hauling alts, some bored gankers gank just for tears/giggles and because of your alliance tag - dont autopilot - dont haul too much value - use transport ships whenever possible and utilize cloak-mwd trick to be unseen - a webbing alt in 0.5 systems is useful too as its where most ganks happen - avoid hauling stuff during prime times or on weekends, pre-DT or short post-DT are optimal times
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
1996
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Posted - 2014.11.03 12:52:32 -
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afkalt wrote:Ps: interceptors are the best thing imaginable for low volume high value cargo. If I can rip though camps for fun in null, I can damned sure make it through high sec Just make sure you have insta-dock bookmarks at trade hub stations. Or else, if you land 2km from the docking range, a good instalocker can ruin your day.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
5586
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:13:52 -
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The age of "stars" screensaver continues.
Btw, CODE is so anal about it, that they suicide gank even shuttles with capsules.
Recon makes them stronger
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4391
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:39:12 -
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Miromme Echerie wrote:It's not useless. 1. Have a permit. 2. Follow the code. 3. Don't get suicide ganked. People normally fail at 2, even after they have a permit. So it gets revoked. It's like having following the rules and having a passport. Except in this case it's a permit. This is complete nonsense. Just be tanked enough to be not worth ganking and you don't need e permit. If you have a permit and aren't tanked up enough, they'll simply call it revoked anyway, thus concluding that new order permits are completely and utterly irrelevant.
Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players, paying for a permit is paying to help protect botters. While they claim to be against "bot aspirant behaviour", a quick look at their activity shows that the vast majority of their targets are badly tanked solo players, not the bot fleets plaguing highsec, and thus the actions of CODE keep the competition against botters down.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10471
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:41:46 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players
Citation needed.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4391
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:49:23 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players Citation needed. It's fairly simple, look at their actions.
One guy in a badly fit barge shrieking at the top of his lungs and providing tears - Clearly not a bot - Gets ganked.
A fleet of procurers controlled by bots or isboxer mining all day long providing no tears - no ganking.
The end result is that bots and mass multiboxers don't have to worry about a fair chunk their competition. If they were really against botters, they'd do all they can to disrupt bot activity and support the individuals mining. They don't, so either their goals are not as stated, or they are the most incompetent group in the game, managing to do the exact opposite of their goals.
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Miromme Echerie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:00:27 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Miromme Echerie wrote:It's not useless. 1. Have a permit. 2. Follow the code. 3. Don't get suicide ganked. People normally fail at 2, even after they have a permit. So it gets revoked. It's like having following the rules and having a passport. Except in this case it's a permit. This is complete nonsense. Just be tanked enough to be not worth ganking and you don't need e permit. If you have a permit and aren't tanked up enough, they'll simply call it revoked anyway, thus concluding that new order permits are completely and utterly irrelevant. Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players, paying for a permit is paying to help protect botters. While they claim to be against "bot aspirant behaviour", a quick look at their activity shows that the vast majority of their targets are badly tanked solo players, not the bot fleets plaguing highsec, and thus the actions of CODE keep the competition against botters down. Exactly! That's the point of enforcing the code. People don't seem to understand that bad things happen to people that don't tank their ships, which is one part of the code. So if you force people to tank their ships, they can live a happy, afk, ore yielding life. And CODE. targets non bots for a reason. CCP can deal with bots. What they won't deal with is the people that beg for buffs and nerfs, to highsec mining and suicide ganking, respectively. So CODE. will kill them, because they don't need more buffs. If you want to not pay attention, get a skiff and tank it. If you're in secure space, get a mackinaw, so you can afk for longer. If you're going on a mining OP, get a hulk, because you should have protection on a mining OP. Source: minerbumping.com (for why they don't target bots, anyway) |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10472
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:09:34 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: One guy in a badly fit barge shrieking at the top of his lungs and providing tears - Clearly not a bot - Gets ganked.
Bot aspirancy is equally as much an affront against the sandbox. Moreso, I would argue, since they are the ones crying for nerfs all the time.
Quote: A fleet of procurers controlled by bots or isboxer mining all day long providing no tears - no ganking.
Really? Because they smartbombed a fleet of those just the other day. Got a whole bunch of them, although the freighter lived.
But then I wouldn't expect you would have known that, since you argue on rhetoric and not facts.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8898
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:14:20 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players Citation needed. It's fairly simple, look at their actions. One guy in a badly fit barge shrieking at the top of his lungs and providing tears - Clearly not a bot - Gets ganked. A fleet of procurers controlled by bots or isboxer mining all day long providing no tears - no ganking. The end result is that bots and mass multiboxers don't have to worry about a fair chunk their competition. If they were really against botters, they'd do all they can to disrupt bot activity and support the individuals mining. They don't, so either their goals are not as stated, or they are the most incompetent group in the game, managing to do the exact opposite of their goals. \
I always took what CODE does as punishing people who think their are entitled to SAFE AFK gameplay in EVE Online.
The ISBOXER guy isn't afk (and it doesn't matter if you don't like isboxer) so he isn't doing anything 'wrong' (from a CODE perspective). And you have no idea how many bots CODE kills because some miners are actually well adjusted adult gamers who don't sperg in local when they get ganked so no one but CCP could tell if they were a botter or not.
We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
132
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:16:12 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Miromme Echerie wrote:It's not useless. 1. Have a permit. 2. Follow the code. 3. Don't get suicide ganked. People normally fail at 2, even after they have a permit. So it gets revoked. It's like having following the rules and having a passport. Except in this case it's a permit. This is complete nonsense. Just be tanked enough to be not worth ganking and you don't need e permit. If you have a permit and aren't tanked up enough, they'll simply call it revoked anyway, thus concluding that new order permits are completely and utterly irrelevant.
It is not complete nonsense - your advice - to be "tanked enough" is in the Code after all. There is a lot of good stuff in there to help you avoid being suicide ganked. Despite what you claim permits aren't revoked lightly but this discussion has be hashed out to death - I suggest you check out this thread for one such discussion.
Lucas Kell wrote:Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players, paying for a permit is paying to help protect botters. While they claim to be against "bot aspirant behaviour", a quick look at their activity shows that the vast majority of their targets are badly tanked solo players, not the bot fleets plaguing highsec, and thus the actions of CODE keep the competition against botters down.
Your typical jail is going to be filled with the low-level criminals who were more easily caught because they did something stupid (because of low intelligence, mental health issues, substance abuse problems or whatever), and not the smarter, or more connected individuals who avoid getting caught or whose lawyer keeps them out of jail. Do you think the police should stop enforcing laws against these petty criminals because they are overrepresented in the criminal justice system? In the same way, the Code is enforced in all of highsec and is the law of the land - don't encourage miners to break that law by citing the bad behaviour of others, such as these bot fleets, as an excuse for becoming a bot-aspirant. That will just get them exploded. |
CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
686
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:23:23 -
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A permit.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
686
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:23:23 -
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A permit.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1596
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:25:29 -
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Beers Veldspar wrote:Ganking is bullying and can lead to serious psychological damages.
As he already played a big part in getting some gankers banned for good, Veers is here to help you. Oh please, psychological damage? If you ship getting blown up causes any kind of damage (other than space-pride) your issues are much less about what anyone else does, but your own mental stability.
Please don't go full tumblr and suggest not getting your way causes you pain. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2998
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:28:28 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players, paying for a permit is paying to help protect botters. While they claim to be against "bot aspirant behaviour", a quick look at their activity shows that the vast majority of their targets are badly tanked solo players, not the bot fleets plaguing highsec, and thus the actions of CODE keep the competition against botters down.
More of your dinsdale crap.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
233
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:33:37 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Beers Veldspar wrote:Ganking is bullying and can lead to serious psychological damages.
As he already played a big part in getting some gankers banned for good, Veers is here to help you. you should ask remiel pollard for your old corp back beers
Nah, not worth dealing with obvious trolls.....let him enjoy his stupidity - maybe it means he will be doing less damage in the actual game. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
233
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:34:26 -
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Skydell wrote:- Missions: Officer and blue fittings are not suitable for missions. They may be appropriate in fleet based stuff like Incursions but even there they aren't needed. A Blue fit Golem is gank bait and garbage you won't replace when you lose it, you will figure out why when you lose it.
- Hauling: Pay attention to what you are hauling, know that a blockade runner can't be scanned, know that people flapping about how they blow up all Blockade runners because stuff, are full of it. If you need to haul in a Freighter, have a web alt and most important, don't Auto pilot.
- Mining: Plag and Veld are the ore that make money right now. Mining them in .8 or .5 will be just as boring and will make the same amount of ISK. One has a 20 second Concord response, one has a 7 second Concord response. You have amplified the dps output of a gank squad by 300% just by choosing to mine in what is essentially, garbage space. Tank is not an option, even in .8 sec. If the tank forces them to find 40 Destroyers or 10 Tier 3 BC's to destroy you they will give up. Gankers are lazy that way. If they wanted to work for their ISK they would be mining beside you or running a mission.
Last but not least, if you find yourself being pestered by people all too often, leave the game drop your sub and play something else. EVE the game you would like it to be won't be EVE the game we get stuck with because someone else is in a mood. That needs to be relayed in the most influential way possible when required and money talks.
Blue fittings are fine for missions. Chances of getting ganked are minuscule. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2484
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:44:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
You disagree with our stated views, therefore your judgement is clouded, therefore you are wrong. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4391
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:44:55 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bot aspirancy is equally as much an affront against the sandbox. Moreso, I would argue, since they are the ones crying for nerfs all the time. But they aren't bot aspirant. Arguably, CODE being around is encouragement to multibox a procurer fleet semi-AFK over playing "properly".
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Really? Because they smartbombed a fleet of those just the other day. Got a whole bunch of them, although the freighter lived.
But then I wouldn't expect you would have known that, since you argue on rhetoric and not facts. So because they've done it at least once, that somehow invalidates the fact that the vast majority of their kills are not against bots?
Jenn aSide wrote:The ISBOXER guy isn't afk (and it doesn't matter if you don't like isboxer) so he isn't doing anything 'wrong' (from a CODE perspective). Bull. The ISBoxer miner is more AFK than any "normal" miner. You target the rocks, you hit F1, then you play something else. Periodically you drag cargo from your ship to the hauler (in about 3 mouse motions) and reset your lasers. The difference is you only do this on one machine and it replicates to all of the others, meaning that your effort per character is significantly reduced.
Seriously, you should try it. I have. I can clear out whole systems of all belts while playing other games by interacting with EVE only during cutscenes and load times.
Jenn aSide wrote:We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with my like or dislike of anyone. They run around the forums screeching about how they are saving the game from bot aspirants while their actions do exactly the opposite, and I point it out because it's incredibly amusing to watch all the code loving basement dwellers swarming to their defense. I love how you are now even defending ISBoxer mining of all things to try to defend CODE.
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