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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Miss Overlord lack of supply go buy a battleship Is there any thread you don't troll? How about... CCP end the lottery joke, introduce T2 BPO's to the market, and enable the raw capitalistic EVE economy to work as it should. Prices will stabalise at a point where T2 material and component manufacturers make a profit, ship builders make a profit, resellers make a profit and the end consumer get a product whos price is dictated by true supply and demand economics, not the current comedy system we have. So clearly, CCP should screw up the whole in-game economy because you want a cheap ship? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Diamezz	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Dark Shikari So clearly, CCP should screw up the whole in-game economy because you want a cheap ship? No, but the guys who got them shouldn't have them forever, with no one else having the chance to get them, ever.
Daddy's Princess A.W.M Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Diamezz No, but the guys who got them shouldn't have them forever, with no one else having the chance to get them, ever. [:roll: I see. Didn't know this game was based on a communism principle. Let's all gather around the circle and whine about a handful of items coz we are too incompetant to achieve anything. Come on, everyone gather around...
Lala Ru	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:45:00 - [34] Stupid question: How much better IS a HAC compared to a Battleship? Is there a reason people decide to fly HACs and not Battleships?
Diamezz	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:47:00 - [35] Edited by: Diamezz on 26/08/2006 03:50:03 "Edited for complete content" Originally by: Daddy's Princess I see. Didn't know this game was based on a communism principle. Let's all gather around the circle and whine about a handful of items coz we are too incompetant to achieve anything. Come on, everyone gather around... What does that have to do with communism? Or anything?
BloodSpoon Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Rutoo it was funny for one of my friends a while back he ordered a Zealot in september of 2005 He finally got it in April 2006 :P lost it the next day i called him a idoit a couple times SO wasn't my fault........ _________________________________________________________ m0o?
Father Weebles RoadKill Pickup Services	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Diamezz Originally by: Dark Shikari So clearly, CCP should screw up the whole in-game economy because you want a cheap ship? No, but the guys who got them shouldn't have them forever, with no one else having the chance to get them, ever. giving bpos to everybody isnt the right thing to do add another 100 hac bpos on market as well as hac bpc u can get from agent offers/rp agents....
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.26 06:39:00 - [38] Where do you think your production components come from? You setup your own moons for the POS to mine the raw materials? Fine! A few more BPO for a couple of items would be really nice though. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 06:57:00 - [39] I think this development is good, because maybe it will force ccp to realize something is wrong when the good ships can be gotten only if you are in a alliance. Personally i think that actually IS something people would quit the game over. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Alessar Kaldorei Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:15:00 - [40] Has anyone considered that maybe CCP intended for HACs and other tech II items to be only available to alliances? It makes no sense otherwise. Limiting the number of BPOs means that they will eventualy gravitate towards the people with most ISK. That is, large alliances. Not to mention, the requisite materials for building them are only found in 0.0 space. People in high sec would have to pay insane prices for the materials, or not be able to produce the ships, which means they have no use for the BPOs, leading them to sell them once they realise that's the only way to make a profit. And once they reach allied people, it's easy to see that the alliance will look after its members first, and screw anyone else. They already shoot them when they venture into their territory, why would they let them have tech II ships? If CCP had wanted the ships to be available to everyone, I'm sure they would have come up with a system that allowed it. What has happened is obvious enough that anyone working on game design should have been able to see it coming the second they came up with the idea. The system they implemented can only be rationaliced by coming to terms with the fact that CCP wants players to go to 0.0 and join alliances, and shoot each other up. The alternative is that the people that make desicions in CCP have no idea about the game they're designing, and the way players interact in it, years after launch. Come to terms with it, understand you won't get a HAC for grinding missions, move on. Simple really.
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:26:00 - [41] Imagine that there was only one operating system in the whole world suporting the wery thing you worked with, it was incredibly expensive, but you had to get it, becous there was not anotherone that did the things you needed to be done would you accept that? no, you would pirate it, naturaly we can't do that ingame :( Originally by: The Wizz117 jeez those guyz @ ccp talk like sweedish nobody will take u seriouse with that cind of accent.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:46:00 - [42] Originally by: MuffinsRevenger no, you would pirate it, naturaly we can't do that ingame :( Cant afford Vagabonds? Buy Stabbers. Stabbers are pirated HACs. --------- In the blindness, a streak fiery thread violently cuts the horizon. Bleeding golden mists, engulfing the blindness from within. Burning the darkness. The touch of dawn.
Damfoose FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Lala Ru Stupid question: How much better IS a HAC compared to a Battleship? Is there a reason people decide to fly HACs and not Battleships? A HAC is good at taking and dishing damage , Just think caracal on steroids. And yes we still fly battleships, You have to consider ship type for current role being done, you dont take a badger into a complex to kill the ships in their you have to take the correct ship and for some complexes its better to have an assult ship or a HAC as they meet the gate requirements for size.
Eleis Machuron	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Cant afford Vagabonds? Buy Stabbers. Stabbers are pirated HACs. Quote: Improving on the original Stabber design, Thukker Mix created the Vagabond as a cruiser-sized skirmish vessel Nope.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Eleis Machuron Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Cant afford Vagabonds? Buy Stabbers. Stabbers are pirated HACs. Quote: Improving on the original Stabber design, Thukker Mix created the Vagabond as a cruiser-sized skirmish vessel Nope. They are pirated Vagabonds. Dont expect them to pass Thukker Mix QA team. --------- In the blindness, a streak fiery thread violently cuts the horizon. Bleeding golden mists, engulfing the blindness from within. Burning the darkness. The touch of dawn.
Joe N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Butter Dog How about... CCP end the lottery joke, introduce T2 BPO's to the market, and enable the raw capitalistic EVE economy to work as it should. Prices will stabalise at a point where T2 material and component manufacturers make a profit, ship builders make a profit, resellers make a profit and the end consumer get a product whos price is dictated by true supply and demand economics, not the current comedy system we have. You have to have the most consistant whine of all the tech II lottery haters.. Lotterys ensure people cant farm prints. The Dev's have decided that there will be a limited amount of bpos for luxury items seeded. stop confusing the two issues, stop trying to apply RL economic models to a closed loop system where theres an artificial INTENDED limit of supply, and just play the game the way it was designed ffs. Wtb 1mn Mwd II BPO
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:35:00 - [47] Ach the only problem with them is the supply has not scaled up with player numbers. Thats the problem. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:59:00 - [48] Originally by: nahtoh Ach the only problem with them is the supply has not scaled up with player numbers. Thats the problem. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.08.26 09:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Dark Shikari So clearly, CCP should screw up the whole in-game economy because you want a cheap ship? Hey, guess what? You not making billions a week isn't the same thing as a "screwed up in-game economy".
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.08.26 09:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Alessar Kaldorei Has anyone considered that maybe CCP intended for HACs and other tech II items to be only available to alliances? Maybe at one point, but not any longer. There's a dev quote that goes something like "in Kali, maybe it's time tech 2 was the new baseline".
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc	Posted - 2006.08.26 09:59:00 - [51] if NAGA has temporarily stopp selling HAC's there is your problem.... so come to us www.evetrust.com end shameless plug... but sadly even we dont do munnins zealots or ishtars(this is the one i miss)
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 10:28:00 - [52] I dont understand why ccp doesnt change something that such a huge portion of the playerbase is unhappy about.. We shouldnt have to wait for kali, they should have thrown the lottery system out the window AGES ago. ______________ Pod from above.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.26 10:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Alessar Kaldorei Has anyone considered that maybe CCP intended for HACs and other tech II items to be only available to alliances? Yes, and we consider the thought to be rubbish. For the state for the state for the state
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:09:00 - [54] Originally by: Lala Ru Stupid question: How much better IS a HAC compared to a Battleship? Is there a reason people decide to fly HACs and not Battleships? It's not so much about how good they are, most of the time a BS or BC can do what the hac can and often even better BUT they have one major weakness, they are very slow and cumbersome. From a tactical standpoint this can be overcome but flying a faster more agile ship is always going to be more fun. This is why you see the prices for vagabonds skyrocketing, not because it's uber but because it's probably the most fun ship to fly in this game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Temerlyn Minmatar STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:13:00 - [55] I think the system requires a reseed of more BPO's as it is stated that there just isn't enough. Secondly since the first tech 2 BPO's came out there have been 1000's of new players to the game who have stuck around. They should get a chance at one of these BPO's. The whole i been here longer and always be better of syndrome of eve is kinda a wall for new people who can effectivly never compete.
Robke	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:17:00 - [56] Originally by: Indomitus Rex Like Eralus said, the EVE market is nowhere close to a RL market. In RL, when some company is making a killing off a product other people decide, "Hey, let's make a killing too!" and tons of other producers come into the equation. This in turn forces the original companies producing to either A) Make improvements or B) Sell it cheaper. What you posted is nowhere close to most real RL markets. There are virtually no markets in rl where any company can start competing without a cost. If this was true, theoretically, companies would continue joining the market untill the profit was 0. The HAC market is most like a oligopoly i think. You have a small amount of producers, but they have a lot of power. The question (for me at least) is not if it's working like in 'real life', but if you want randomly picked people to have a lot of power over other people in a game.
Rikkta	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:19:00 - [57] Look at invention, coming next patch... I think it means that you can "take apart" a T2 item with the hopes of getting a limited run bpc out of it... Thus you have people right now with 1-3 million points in starship engineering. Suppose that the "datacore" for invention costs 250 000 RP to buy. That means that those people need to stockpile 4-12 HAC each. Now if there are say 1000 people with starship engineering points and each needs 4-12 HAC, then there is a lag demand of 4000 to 12000 HAC just for taking them apart! Of course, many people will use the data cores to rebuild other t2 ships, but right now the HAC looks like the best bet. Even if the BPC was a limited three run HAC at -10 ME, it would still be worth a few hundred million ISK. Also, assuming that the invention "works" then you will have a NEW DEMAND for all T2 ships, as people will need to buy new datacores and new T2 ships each month just to rip them apart and make BPCs out of them... Will this increase supply... MAYBE Why just maybe? Well, if the game adds 10 000 HAC, then 10,100 get blow up in giant HAC battles, then the HAC problem is still there and they cost exactly the same! So that is my take on it.
Commander Carrot	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:20:00 - [58] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: nahtoh Ach the only problem with them is the supply has not scaled up with player numbers. Thats the problem. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! /signed
rodgerd Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:43:00 - [59] Originally by: Admiral Pieg I dont understand why ccp doesnt change something that such a huge portion of the playerbase is unhappy about.. We shouldnt have to wait for kali, they should have thrown the lottery system out the window AGES ago. A huge portion of the player base hate piracy. Perhaps we should ban that. A huge proportion of the player base hate Empire huggers. We should ban Empire. A huge proportion of the player base hate mission runners. We should remove missions.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:46:00 - [60] Its so funny that most of the whiners dont have any T2 BPO. T2 building isnt cheap and if you use POS to supply yourself, then there is very much efford and time spent in that. Dont assume building T2 ships is just sitting in a station, clicking some buttons and taadaaa.... ship is build. Ship lovers click here

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