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CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 4911	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:26:42 - [1] - Quote With Rhea - the next release scheduled for December 9th - we will get 100 completely new wormhole systems and one additional new extraordinary gigantic wormhole system called Thera. Thera will harbour four NPC stations with station services including cloning and manufacturing. Thera will be highly connected to the known New Eden Universe via wormholes and will also have connections to other wormhole systems. These other new wormhole systems have interesting properties, for example all their planets are shattered, you won't be able to find any moons, but you might be able to find ice. Explore all the details in CCP Fozzie's latest dev blog Thera and the Shattered Wormholes and dive deeper into the mystery of the ever evolving EVE background story and theEVE lore! CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager


CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11966	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:28:41 - [2] - Quote Welcome to the new frontier! Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

BadAssMcKill ElitistOps 909	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:36:21 - [3] - Quote Will systems other than Thera have stations or what?
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 850	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:36:32 - [4] - Quote Actual nomading.. I'm surprised... And the frigate wormholes.. Umm.. Hmm.. With wolf rayet effect...Shield frigates and destroyers hate you. Yaay!!!!
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 998	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:36:41 - [5] - Quote Damn, you guys are going all out with the whole "eff you, you can't live in these new wormholes" thing. I like. Quick question -- will the The Sanctuary stations in Thera have agents? This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Nyctef Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 101	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:37:07 - [6] - Quote Is there an overview somewhere of the new story things that are happening? I haven't been keeping up
Ab'del Abu Atlantis Ascendant 96	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:38:12 - [7] - Quote B+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+ä+äM
Sentient Blade Crisis Atmosphere 1406	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:38:56 - [8] - Quote No anchoring bubbles, awesome :D Going to be lots of frigs capping out in those warps.

CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:41:08 - [9] - Quote Test Server is updated with these new systems now, feedback thread found here. CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski

Mizhir Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 69528	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:41:46 - [10] - Quote This is looking good. I like the concept of the shattered systems for attracting preys and predators. Though I have one major issue with the small ship ones. If you give them the normal C6 WR bonus you will just exclude shield ships. Make it a special WH effect instead (which could also be integrated in the lore and why they only allow small ships). One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Dacil Arandur Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 2	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:44:10 - [11] - Quote Exciting! I'm looking forward to doing some exploring soon!

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11967	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:44:35 - [12] - Quote BadAssMcKill wrote: Will systems other than Thera have stations or what? Nope. Thera is unique. Querns wrote: Quick question -- will the The Sanctuary stations in Thera have agents? Not right now. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 850	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:45:15 - [13] - Quote Mizhir wrote: This is looking good. I like the concept of the shattered systems for attracting preys and predators. Though I have one major issue with the small ship ones. If you give them the normal C6 WR bonus you will just exclude shield ships. Make it a special WH effect instead (which could also be integrated in the lore and why they only allow small ships). It's not possible to bonus both shield and armor (they function very differently). What I would have considered is the cataclysmic variable, except that would nerf solo play and anybody with 1 frig Logi would own.... But that would balance out ship options (though I get that people are sick of crow's online). Yaay!!!!
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5626	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:47:19 - [14] - Quote Will one of the planets in Thera look just like Earth? The Paradox
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 231	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:47:22 - [15] - Quote Brilliant and awesome!
Longdrinks Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 130	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:47:22 - [16] - Quote This sounds really cool! looking forward to visiting thera and seeing what kind of groups are ready to make it their homesystem.
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 915	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:48:59 - [17] - Quote Nice info and Thera sounds interesting. One thing: Can one of the gas giants please be one of this type: Orange Band Gas Giant. They look stunning and are used way too rarely in EVE.
Swiftstrike1 Swiftstrike Incorporated 827	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:50:45 - [18] - Quote I look forward to these 101 dalma- err... new systems! Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11970	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:50:47 - [19] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Nice info and Thera sounds interesting. One thing: Can one of the gas giants please be one of this type: Orange Band Gas Giant. They look stunning and are used way too rarely in EVE. Can you give me the location of one of those on TQ? I'll poke into it's texture maps and see. No promises though. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Mizhir Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 69530	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:51:34 - [20] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: Mizhir wrote: This is looking good. I like the concept of the shattered systems for attracting preys and predators. Though I have one major issue with the small ship ones. If you give them the normal C6 WR bonus you will just exclude shield ships. Make it a special WH effect instead (which could also be integrated in the lore and why they only allow small ships). It's not possible to bonus both shield and armor (they function very differently). What I would have considered is the cataclysmic variable, except that would nerf solo play and anybody with 1 frig Logi would own.... But that would balance out ship options (though I get that people are sick of crow's online). Well, they could just buff the damage and some other fun stats and then leave tanking out of it. One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 542	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:52:38 - [21] - Quote Pretty excited to see the first actual content development in EVE since 2011. Unique locations have been sorely missing from EVE, and Thera looks like it tackles that while retaining a distinctly EVE flair. Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
Nagarythe Tinurandir House of Freedom The Pursuit of Happiness 190	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:55:29 - [22] - Quote squeal of glee
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 915	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:55:38 - [23] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Nice info and Thera sounds interesting. One thing: Can one of the gas giants please be one of this type: Orange Band Gas Giant. They look stunning and are used way too rarely in EVE. Can you give me the location of one of those on TQ? I'll poke into it's texture maps and see. No promises though. F-XWIN - Planet VII
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 998	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:58:03 - [24] - Quote Oh, another question -- the small shattered wormhole sites are listed as having small ship wormholes. Are these normal wormholes, or are they the kind that regenerate mass? This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 850	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:58:44 - [25] - Quote Going over this info, if the t3 destroyers pan out, you would have made the entire wormhole community very happy. The c5 and c6 sites in these new standard holes would have to be looked at for difficulty and value of running. Also the wormhole mass cap would need to be looked at (both in these new holes and Thera, as 3 freighters collapse a capital size wormhole. Yaay!!!!
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:58:46 - [26] - Quote Can you clarify. Are the Standard Shattered additional k-space statics tied to specific security levels as is insinuated by the dev blog? For example: Will Standard Shattered system #4 (for lack of a better designation) always connect to a 0.9 system via it's additional k-space static? And if this is the case, is it system specific or class specific? Is #4 tied to 0.9 because it is a Class 1 or is #4 tied to 0.9 because it is #4? Or are those k-space statics completely random like existing k-space statics?
Lyron-Baktos Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 464	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:00:40 - [27] - Quote We don't need more worm hole systems. We already have way to many empty systems as it is. Please remove 101 empty systems and just replace them with these. How the fuck do you remove a signature?
DaReaper Net 7 1227	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:02:29 - [28] - Quote Might be a dumb question, as these are shattered planets (if I read that right) does this mean no PI? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Anonymous Forumposter State War Academy Caldari State 84	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:03:18 - [29] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Might be a dumb question, as these are shattered planets (if I read that right) does this mean no PI? That certainly sounds like the intention.
sereneabt 47	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:03:34 - [30] - Quote We from CODE are looking forward to this System. As your loyal servants we take it upon ourselves to police this new frontier. You should secure your permit in advance if you wish to enjoy our protection. Love me... Hate me... ...as long as you pay me
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 998	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:04:30 - [31] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Might be a dumb question, as these are shattered planets (if I read that right) does this mean no PI? This is correct -- Shattered planets have no resources available from Planetary Interaction. There are actually a few shattered planets in k-space and some in (the current) w-space. Having whole systems full of them certainly points towards some nefarious means of creating a shattered planet rather than their occasional natural occurrence. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
scimichar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 229	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:06:01 - [32] - Quote Can we get Thera added to the moveme channel so we don't have to randomly scan a hundred wormholes to find it?
Tahnil Sirius Fleet AXIOS. 51	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:07:00 - [33] - Quote Awesome!
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 850	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:08:56 - [34] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Phoenix Jones wrote: Mizhir wrote: This is looking good. I like the concept of the shattered systems for attracting preys and predators. Though I have one major issue with the small ship ones. If you give them the normal C6 WR bonus you will just exclude shield ships. Make it a special WH effect instead (which could also be integrated in the lore and why they only allow small ships). It's not possible to bonus both shield and armor (they function very differently). What I would have considered is the cataclysmic variable, except that would nerf solo play and anybody with 1 frig Logi would own.... But that would balance out ship options (though I get that people are sick of crow's online). Well, they could just buff the damage and some other fun stats and then leave tanking out of it. I guess not many people have run wormhole sites in a frigate before. To do a c3, takes a decently fit frigate (minimum faction repairer). It's possible, but with spawns out at 70km, the alpha would rip though most of your tank in 1 shot (had that happen in both my faction fit armor and dead space fit assault frig). The effect keeps the ship on field and makes it capable of doing the site with less fear of bad transversal or a lucky shot. I get the idea that they took that into account. There may not be a viable way of doing both shield and armor in these systems, and make people use them (while variety is nice, making it so varied that people can't just have one standard doctrine makes people just completely avoid going in the system period). Frig holes, all armor. Ok. Yaay!!!!
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1394	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:09:00 - [35] - Quote Been waiting for this devblog for a long time! Reading time Signature Tanking - Best Tanking

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11970	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:09:00 - [36] - Quote Obil Que wrote: Or are those k-space statics completely random like existing k-space statics? The k-space statics in the new systems work like normal k-space statics. They'll aim at a specific security class (HS,LS,NS) but otherwise be random. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno. 4147	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:09:12 - [37] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Nice info and Thera sounds interesting. One thing: Can one of the gas giants please be one of this type: Orange Band Gas Giant. They look stunning and are used way too rarely in EVE. i like the planets with rings. the belts around it can be so close to the rings, it's very pretty

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11970	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:09:51 - [38] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Might be a dumb question, as these are shattered planets (if I read that right) does this mean no PI? Yes, there is no PI in any of the shattered systems, including in Thera (Thera isn't all shattered planets but at least for now we're not enabling PI there). Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/


CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11970	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:12:08 - [39] - Quote scimichar wrote: Can we get Thera added to the moveme channel so we don't have to randomly scan a hundred wormholes to find it? Yes indeed! All the details on how to use the new Thera moveme bot can be found in CCP Lebowski's thread over in the Test Server Forums. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 951	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:12:10 - [40] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: DaReaper wrote: Might be a dumb question, as these are shattered planets (if I read that right) does this mean no PI? Yes, there is no PI in any of the shattered systems, including in Thera (Thera isn't all shattered planets but at least for now we're not enabling PI there). the pocos would offer some conflict drivers there.. and good planets for steady income for residents there.. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 850	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:12:24 - [41] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: DaReaper wrote: Might be a dumb question, as these are shattered planets (if I read that right) does this mean no PI? Yes, there is no PI in any of the shattered systems, including in Thera (Thera isn't all shattered planets but at least for now we're not enabling PI there). Good decision on that btw. What are the masses on the new wormholes. Do they regenerate and do they have new sig id's. Also, does the Thera holes have a cap (can I crash 3 freighters into it and collapse it)? Do they regenerate? Yaay!!!!
DaReaper Net 7 1227	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:13:33 - [42] - Quote Querns wrote: DaReaper wrote: Might be a dumb question, as these are shattered planets (if I read that right) does this mean no PI? This is correct -- Shattered planets have no resources available from Planetary Interaction. There are actually a few shattered planets in k-space and some in (the current) w-space. Having whole systems full of them certainly points towards some nefarious means of creating a shattered planet rather than their occasional natural occurrence. that's what I thought. Still a nifty farming system and access to ice will be a huge boost OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Red Teufel Mafia Redux Irresponsible Use of Capital. 390	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:14:07 - [43] - Quote Thera Why allow dictor and hic bubbles and only have 4 stations. Its just a station campers dream and a place for coalitions to go on vacation to. just seem very underwhelming to me and definitely not a Jita of WH space. please add more stations and bar hic and dic bubbles.
Summer Isle Autumn Industrial Enterprises 143	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:18:30 - [44] - Quote My expectation for Thera: Stealth Bombers. Stealth Bombers everywhere! Also, CCP should give Thera a 50% reduction to the effects of its industry index. I have no doubts that Thera will be in the top-lists for the index at pretty much all times. -áTalk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Steven Hackett Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 95	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:19:23 - [45] - Quote Hey Fozzie, How will adding more w-space systems make W-space seem more populated, especialy when POS's aren't allowed there? How will adding more frigat mechanics into w-space make the game fun for all the players who doesn't care about frigats but still have to scan the **** down as part of their daily rutines? Have you learned anything from talking to the W-Space community? and if so, didn't you believe them or did you just decide to say "Screw them"? Also, what are the chances of you leaving W-space alone? I know we called for attention, but I guess the soul of w-space left the company with CCP Soundwave?
jonnykefka Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 300	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:22:47 - [46] - Quote THIS is the wormhole update I've been waiting for. I haven't been this excited to explore new corners of space in years.
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 751	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:23:21 - [47] - Quote Cool, now put one of the stations really close to the sun and name it Aragoth Station. Heheh.
Leila Numanor Sleeper Protection Agency SL33PERS 0	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:24:09 - [48] - Quote Very Coolz!
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 850	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:24:16 - [49] - Quote Red Teufel wrote: Thera Why allow dictor and hic bubbles and only have 4 stations. Its just a station campers dream and a place for coalitions to go on vacation to. just seem very underwhelming to me and definitely not a Jita of WH space. please add more stations and bar hic and dic bubbles. They barred deployable bubbles, but I don't see them barring hic or dic bubbles. The 4 stations only are of some concern. 8 would be more bearable but possibly too many. 6 or 7 would have been about right. Also the system is a little smaller than I expected. (Expecting 500 to 600 Au). If the other 100 systems had stations also, I would have said clone jumping moronic. Since it's just Thera... I'm not so opposed to it. As long as that doesn't become standard practice. This may turn into a major transit hub for space travel, especially if it is that interconnected. Also, let us welcome Rancers Smart Bombing Battleship gang back. Yaay!!!!
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 507	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:25:22 - [50] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: Hey Fozzie, How will adding more w-space systems make W-space seem more populated, especialy when POS's aren't allowed there? How will adding more frigat mechanics into w-space make the game fun for all the players who doesn't care about frigats but still have to scan the **** down as part of their daily rutines? Have you learned anything from talking to the W-Space community? and if so, didn't you believe them or did you just decide to say "Screw them"? Also, what are the chances of you leaving W-space alone? I know we called for attention, but I guess the soul of w-space left the company with CCP Soundwave? you're... complaining about new wormhole content idgi they are even adding ice belts for y'all to get connected to your homes, how could you not be over the moon about these changes
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 850	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:26:47 - [51] - Quote Summer Isle wrote: My expectation for Thera: Stealth Bombers. Stealth Bombers everywhere! Also, CCP should give Thera a 50% reduction to the effects of its industry index. I have no doubts that Thera will be in the top-lists for the index at pretty much all times. Actually I would make it so that Thera has no taxes on buying or selling stuff at all (zero on a broker 5 and accounting 5 character). I would charge a docking tax though (yup, get charged to dock). Heck it's soe's station, why should they let us dock for free. Yaay!!!!
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 951	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:30:59 - [52] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: Summer Isle wrote: My expectation for Thera: Stealth Bombers. Stealth Bombers everywhere! Also, CCP should give Thera a 50% reduction to the effects of its industry index. I have no doubts that Thera will be in the top-lists for the index at pretty much all times. Actually I would make it so that Thera has no taxes on buying or selling stuff at all (zero on a broker 5 and accounting 5 character). I would charge a docking tax though (yup, get charged to dock). Heck it's soe's station, why should they let us dock for free. pilot undocks aligns too warp off , bomber decloaks.. pilot gets pointed and gets some bombs heading in his direction .. arrghh!!! .. any consequences for bombing the station i wonder?? Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
Summer Isle Autumn Industrial Enterprises 143	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:31:43 - [53] - Quote I may have missed it, but will there be normal planets in Thera? -áTalk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 507	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:32:13 - [54] - Quote Harvey James wrote: Phoenix Jones wrote: Summer Isle wrote: My expectation for Thera: Stealth Bombers. Stealth Bombers everywhere! Also, CCP should give Thera a 50% reduction to the effects of its industry index. I have no doubts that Thera will be in the top-lists for the index at pretty much all times. Actually I would make it so that Thera has no taxes on buying or selling stuff at all (zero on a broker 5 and accounting 5 character). I would charge a docking tax though (yup, get charged to dock). Heck it's soe's station, why should they let us dock for free. pilot undocks aligns too warp off , bomber decloaks.. pilot gets pointed and gets some bombs heading in his direction .. arrghh!!! .. any consequences for bombing the station i wonder?? ah yes points which prevent you from redocking and bombs which have a 12s detonation timer truly only a superhuman reaction time could foil these plans
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 507	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:33:00 - [55] - Quote Summer Isle wrote: I may have missed it, but will there be normal planets in Thera? yeah but PI is disabled, no poco having for anyone
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 486	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:33:38 - [56] - Quote In blog there is mention of pve in frigate shatered wh's, what about "normal" shattered wh's? are there pve in there and is it like in normal w-spave systems or is it skewed a little like in frigate ones? are, for example, shatered c5's contain c5 bonuses from system effects and c5 anomalies and sites and will there be normal statics mechanics (i.e. no k-space from c4, dual static c4's and c2's) and what about capital escalations in there? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
IceGuerilla Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance 64	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:37:03 - [57] - Quote Woah! I had a weird dream a few years ago that I jumped into a W-space system with stations and got chased around by locals.
Sven Viko VIkolander Friends and Feminists 299	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:37:13 - [58] - Quote I am extremely excited about these new wormholes, but I have one major worry. With server population being so low lately (higher since Phoebe, but still low), I don't think adding new systems is automatically a good for the game. New systems means more people spread out--sure, people might cluster in Thera, but that means less people everywhere else, too. It is hard enough to find a fight when they server population is below 25 or 20k (a daily occurrence), and where a decent 50% of those players might be in station or afk. Thera will likely be a good system, but unless the game gets more players, it just means everywhere else is going to be that-much-more empty.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2517	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:37:20 - [59] - Quote I wonder how many will want to make this there new home? It sounds interesting enough to me. -
Alexis Nightwish 51	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:37:38 - [60] - Quote Everything about this looks amazing except for the Thera system itself. What a bubblebath that place will be Power Projection: A Brighter Future
Summer Isle Autumn Industrial Enterprises 143	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:39:35 - [61] - Quote Harvey James wrote: any consequences for bombing the station i wonder?? Have station guns that only activate if something would otherwise "damage" the station. -áTalk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 915	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:40:11 - [62] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: Hey Fozzie, How will adding more w-space systems make W-space seem more populated, especialy when POS's aren't allowed there? You live in your w-space system and roam around in these uninhabitable systems.
Aeril Malkyre Knights of the Ouroboros 375	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:43:04 - [63] - Quote Research lead by The Sanctuary. SOE station skins. Yes, this is all unfolding nicely.
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 427	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:49:16 - [64] - Quote Will these Thera stations finally have windows? because otherwise just boring station games. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 2631	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:00:56 - [65] - Quote Maybe it should have 20 stations. An entire region's worth of content should fit into this system.
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 179	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:01:57 - [66] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: Hey Fozzie, How will adding more w-space systems make W-space seem more populated, especialy when POS's aren't allowed there? How will adding more frigat mechanics into w-space make the game fun for all the players who doesn't care about frigats but still have to scan the **** down as part of their daily rutines? Have you learned anything from talking to the W-Space community? and if so, didn't you believe them or did you just decide to say "Screw them"? Also, what are the chances of you leaving W-space alone? I know we called for attention, but I guess the soul of w-space left the company with CCP Soundwave? Sorry dude, but you are not speaking for the whole w-space community.. I, for one, applaud the upcoming change and keep being wowed by CCP bold new undertakings! "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope...
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 179	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:03:34 - [67] - Quote Mizhir wrote: This is looking good. I like the concept of the shattered systems for attracting preys and predators. Though I have one major issue with the small ship ones. If you give them the normal C6 WR bonus you will just exclude shield ships. Make it a special WH effect instead (which could also be integrated in the lore and why they only allow small ships). Agreed, please keep shield fitted ships in mind... "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope...
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 181	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:10:00 - [68] - Quote Red Teufel wrote: Thera Why allow dictor and hic bubbles and only have 4 stations. Its just a station campers dream and a place for coalitions to go on vacation to. just seem very underwhelming to me and definitely not a Jita of WH space. please add more stations and bar hic and dic bubbles. I kind of agree with that too... 4 stations may be too low for the traffic this system will likely see, and having them perma-camped will be counter productive to what it can become... "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope...
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:13:42 - [69] - Quote Sven Viko VIkolander wrote: I am extremely excited about these new wormholes, but I have one major worry. With server population being so low lately (higher since Phoebe, but still low), I don't think adding new systems is automatically a good for the game. New systems means more people spread out--sure, people might cluster in Thera, but that means less people everywhere else, too. It is hard enough to find a fight when they server population is below 25 or 20k (a daily occurrence), and where a decent 50% of those players might be in station or afk. Thera will likely be a good system, but unless the game gets more players, it just means everywhere else is going to be that-much-more empty. I have to think that the goal here is that such additional content (new wormholes, new unique named wormhole system) is designed, on some level, to be a catalyst for players to return to the game or to attract new players altogether. In addition, it may make a percentage of those "in station or afk" get out into space. Even if these systems are underutilized, they end up as a resource benefit to existing wormhole corporations at a minimum so that in itself is a positive.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1003	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:13:47 - [70] - Quote Saisin wrote: Red Teufel wrote: Thera Why allow dictor and hic bubbles and only have 4 stations. Its just a station campers dream and a place for coalitions to go on vacation to. just seem very underwhelming to me and definitely not a Jita of WH space. please add more stations and bar hic and dic bubbles. I kind of agree with that too... 4 stations may be too low for the traffic this system will likely see, and having them perma-camped will be counter productive to what it can become... I am gonna go out on a limb and guess that players are responsible for clearing camps, not CCP. Given that this is a wormhole system with few local resources, destroying enemy forces puts a real hamper on their ability to reship due to the vagaries of how things get in and out of the system. This is a 0.0 system, not highsec -¡-- play appropriately. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Nyctef Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 101	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:16:41 - [71] - Quote Alexis Nightwish wrote: Everything about this looks amazing except for the Thera system itself. What a bubblebath that place will be Between anchored bubbles being disabled, and the nerf to undock-bubble-dock, it shouldn't be quite so bad.
Lord Echon Frontier Adventurers Divum Liberi 12	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:24:53 - [72] - Quote Damn, this sounds great. The new exploration content and this makes me very excited for Rhea.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 13	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:31:03 - [73] - Quote I do believe some people's prayers are answered....... It's an Ishtar-nerf!
Lyron-Baktos Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 464	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:31:46 - [74] - Quote Ya, I'm also not interested in more frigate holes. They are unused since they were introduced and will remain unused. I'd also like to see some before and after metrics for the last WH updates. Have the number of kills gone up or down? How many kills were made in the frigate holes compared to other holes? How the fuck do you remove a signature?
Cypher Decypher Flowery Twats 37	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:35:00 - [75] - Quote Bit concerned that a small group of tanked camping HICs will effectively nerf dock/undock. Otherwise, this all looks saucy.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5629	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:36:40 - [76] - Quote What are the odds of doubling the stations and size of Thera if it proves to be too small after some time? Or would you simply add another system like it? The Paradox
Winter Archipelago Thera Industries 281	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:40:26 - [77] - Quote New corp made, lots of new BPO's purchased, and the research alts will shortly be maxing them. My ~~body~~ industry lines is will be ready! Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls.
Unknown Subject Ninja Bunnies With Fangs 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:42:22 - [78] - Quote Wth! Actual content!? No new ships!? F I N A L Y ... More sand in the sandbox, not more buckets and spades. \o/
Ajunta Thor Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda 1	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:45:40 - [79] - Quote Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless.
Fred Kyong EWH NanoTex 6	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:56:30 - [80] - Quote I posted it somewhere else already. A nice idea for a new WH. BUT: The stations will be camped by hostiles forever and an actual WH live with maybe a tower, rating and mining will not be possible. So those WHs are useless, rather move to NPC 0.0 or lowsec. Same stuff.
SpaceSaft Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club 95	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:56:52 - [81] - Quote Quote: They will contain minable ice fields. They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. Cheeky. I'm sure this is exactly what the wormhole community meant when they said "put ice in wh-space". At least they can't say you aren't listening. I'll reserve all judgement of Thera until a month after it hits Tranquility. Hope restored.
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:57:46 - [82] - Quote Ajunta Thor wrote: Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless. I'm more concerned about the racial nature of ice and how it is far more likely that the ice is useless to you because it is of the wrong type rather than being too dangerous to get. Danger is how it is in wormhole space and these systems will be no different than others in that respect.
Klarion Sythis Lazerhawks 315	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:59:03 - [83] - Quote Ajunta Thor wrote: Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless. It's not a death trap. Those who want to mine their ice can and will and those who choose to import will keep doing it. This is really just to allow self sufficiency if you want it as it doesn't take a lot of ice mining to get what you need and can be ninja'd pretty quickly when the opportunity presents itself.
Tzar Sinak Mythic Heights 146	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:59:36 - [84] - Quote Ajunta Thor wrote: Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless. You sir seem to be lacking in knowledge of logistics, organization and most importantly, imagination. Hyrdostatic Podcast First class listening of all things EVE Nolen Cadmar Spreadsheets Make industrial life easier!
adriaans Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak 15	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:04:49 - [85] - Quote This sounds awesome. I am very hopeful it will become an area where I can get good fights in smaller ships. ----True oldschool solo pvp'er---- My latest vid: Insanity IV
Fred Kyong EWH NanoTex 6	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:05:27 - [86] - Quote Klarion Sythis wrote: Ajunta Thor wrote: Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless. It's not a death trap. Those who want to mine their ice can and will and those who choose to import will keep doing it. This is really just to allow self sufficiency if you want it as it doesn't take a lot of ice mining to get what you need and can be ninja'd pretty quickly when the opportunity presents itself. Sure. With 50 Russians camping in WH stations. Useless
Keras Authion Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 156	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:05:41 - [87] - Quote Looks interesting, though I expect Thera to be filled with bubbles and bombers at least for the first few weeks after it goes live on Tranquilty. Maybe I should brush up those scanning skills to see it live. This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.
DaReaper Net 7 1227	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:08:39 - [88] - Quote Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner.... OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Fred Kyong EWH NanoTex 6	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:09:26 - [89] - Quote Keras Authion wrote: Looks interesting, though I expect Thera to be filled with bubbles and bombers at least for the first few weeks after it goes live on Tranquilty. Maybe I should brush up those scanning skills to see it live. No bubbles allowed in such WHs
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 852	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:09:53 - [90] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: What are the odds of doubling the stations and size of Thera if it proves to be too small after some time? Or would you simply add another system like it? We're all kinda thinking the same thing. A group of 4 people can lockup a station pretty easily, then dock about as easily. I see it happening. I'm not sure for how long. I'm a little less worried about people at sites. Yes they will be probed down to death the first week or two. After the novelty wears off though.. You can put too many stations into a system and defeat the whole purpose of it. A lot of us see 4 as too low. I believe 9 is too high. You could put more stations in, but the one that people designate as "the trade hub", will be the one under 24 hour hobo watch. I'm going to stop theorycrafting though and go see it first. Yaay!!!!
DaReaper Net 7 1227	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:10:38 - [91] - Quote Obil Que wrote: Ajunta Thor wrote: Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless. I'm more concerned about the racial nature of ice and how it is far more likely that the ice is useless to you because it is of the wrong type rather than being too dangerous to get. Danger is how it is in wormhole space and these systems will be no different than others in that respect. Then you just move the ice and sell it in thera heh. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Fred Kyong EWH NanoTex 6	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:11:37 - [92] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: What are the odds of doubling the stations and size of Thera if it proves to be too small after some time? Or would you simply add another system like it? We're all kinda thinking the same thing. A group of 4 people can lockup a station pretty easily, then dock about as easily. I see it happening. I'm not sure for how long. I'm a little less worried about people at sites. Yes they will be probed down to death the first week or two. After the novelty wears off though.. You can put too many stations into a system and defeat the whole purpose of it. A lot of us see 4 as too low. I believe 9 is too high. You could put more stations in, but the one that people designate as "the trade hub", will be the one under 24 hour hobo watch. I'm going to stop theorycrafting though and go see it first. You can see it on Sissy
DJ P0N-3 Table Flippendeavors 246	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:11:41 - [93] - Quote I need a cloaky ship and oceans of popcorn.
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 852	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:12:03 - [94] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner.... In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine Yaay!!!!
DaReaper Net 7 1227	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:18:06 - [95] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: DaReaper wrote: Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner.... In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine Except that's not what the blog says: "The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions: GÇó All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter. " The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. and I forget the max size a frig hole can hold... but it seems these won't fit. Need clarification ccp OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:18:53 - [96] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: DaReaper wrote: Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner.... In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine Best reasons to enter are the C6 level gasses and taking advantage of the WR effect for Assault Frigates like the Enyo to clean house in the C1 through C3 anoms present. A decent reason to go for some. Will be interesting then to see how effective the T3 destroyers and T2 HICs are in those environments.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 511	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:27:18 - [97] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Phoenix Jones wrote: DaReaper wrote: Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner.... In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine Except that's not what the blog says: "The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions: GÇó All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter. " The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. and I forget the max size a frig hole can hold... but it seems these won't fit. Need clarification ccp the ice is not only in small frigate wormholes you goofus it's in all shattered wormholes, including the 75 that allow larger ships in heck we don't even know if the 25 frigate ones spawn ice at all but even if they do it doesn't preclude the fact that it does spawn in the big ones
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 511	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:30:39 - [98] - Quote even if the frigate wormholes spawn ice then big taffin deal it's not like the ice there is somehow STEALING ICE from another system, it just exists there to mock you a little and be all cold and whatnot
DaReaper Net 7 1229	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:31:24 - [99] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: DaReaper wrote: Phoenix Jones wrote: DaReaper wrote: Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner.... In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine Except that's not what the blog says: "The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions: GÇó All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter. " The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. and I forget the max size a frig hole can hold... but it seems these won't fit. Need clarification ccp the ice is not only in small frigate wormholes you goofus it's in all shattered wormholes, including the 75 that allow larger ships in heck we don't even know if the 25 frigate ones spawn ice at all but even if they do it doesn't preclude the fact that it does spawn in the big ones pinches the bridge of his nose this Is why I am asking for clarification... the blow says the 25 small holes have the exact same stats as the 75 other ones. So.... if the stats are the same, and they have ice in them, there is zero point to have ice if you have no means to mine it. Its to verify that ccp realize this, and if not to make a slight modification. This is what feedback threads are for you know =) OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
DaReaper Net 7 1229	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:33:17 - [100] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: even if the frigate wormholes spawn ice then big taffin deal it's not like the ice there is somehow STEALING ICE from another system, it just exists there to mock you a little and be all cold and whatnot and this is a valid reason to add ice to the 25 holes. But, I still want clarification that someone at ccp forgot to check and overlook this detail or that I am not misreading the data we were provided. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Sakul Aubaris IX Legio Hispana Aquila Fidelas Constans 0	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:33:29 - [101] - Quote This sounds awesome. Don't know if anyone write this before, and haven't eyes on the testserver atm, but please CCP, if you write about "multiple" known-space-statics don't think to small. This system can't have enough statics. Give it at least 5 of each kind (Hi, Low, 0.0) so there is allways a way a thirdparty can enter without being interceptet. And Locals have multiple choices to leave and enter Thera. Bether make it ten of each. Each static multiplies the possibilities of content. If you doing this big enough, Thera will be the place for smallscale in whole EVE.
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra 1259	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:34:16 - [102] - Quote I too, am curious about the mining, particularly the ice mining sites in the frig only systems. Also, even more frig wormholes in w-space feels like further efforts by ccp to encourage the current residents to leave. Nice to hear Thera bars deployed bubbles though. At least make the pilot risk a ship for bubbling if they want to keep something bubbled. Edit: Also, very nice looking stations
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:37:06 - [103] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: DaReaper wrote: Phoenix Jones wrote: DaReaper wrote: Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner.... In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine Except that's not what the blog says: "The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions: GÇó All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter. " The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. and I forget the max size a frig hole can hold... but it seems these won't fit. Need clarification ccp the ice is not only in small frigate wormholes you goofus it's in all shattered wormholes, including the 75 that allow larger ships in heck we don't even know if the 25 frigate ones spawn ice at all but even if they do it doesn't preclude the fact that it does spawn in the big ones pinches the bridge of his nose this Is why I am asking for clarification... the blog says the 25 small holes have the exact same stats as the 75 other ones. So.... if the stats are the same, and they have ice in them, there is zero point to have ice if you have no means to mine it. Its to verify that ccp realize this, and if not to make a slight modification. This is what feedback threads are for you know =) Obviously it is there for the mobile compression array and the new T3 ice venture :)
Klarion Sythis Lazerhawks 315	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:38:43 - [104] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Klarion Sythis wrote: Ajunta Thor wrote: Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless. It's not a death trap. Those who want to mine their ice can and will and those who choose to import will keep doing it. This is really just to allow self sufficiency if you want it as it doesn't take a lot of ice mining to get what you need and can be ninja'd pretty quickly when the opportunity presents itself. Sure. With 50 Russians camping in WH stations. Useless Firstly, the ice systems are numerous and not just Thera. They will get their ice from any number of systems. Why Russians? Lots of people will be pewing it up in there. Weird concerns overall. Edit: Fred Kyong wrote: Keras Authion wrote: Looks interesting, though I expect Thera to be filled with bubbles and bombers at least for the first few weeks after it goes live on Tranquilty. Maybe I should brush up those scanning skills to see it live. No bubbles allowed in such WHs Never mind, you just don't know what you're talking about. Read it all again. You're getting a lot wrong.
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 852	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:39:04 - [105] - Quote Arronicus wrote: I too, am curious about the mining, particularly the ice mining sites in the frig only systems. Also, even more frig wormholes in w-space feels like further efforts by ccp to encourage the current residents to leave. Nice to hear Thera bars deployed bubbles though. At least make the pilot risk a ship for bubbling if they want to keep something bubbled. Unless ice drops from 1000m3 per block or venture become capable of equipping ice harvesters, I don't see it happening. Frig holes are too small for barges (they are a 2 to 3 mil max mass hull. Smallest barge is 20,000,000 mass (procurer). Yaay!!!!
DaReaper Net 7 1229	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:41:00 - [106] - Quote Stuff before Obil Que wrote: Obviously it is there for the mobile compression array and the new T3 ice venture :) If this is true then hell ya.. lol. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Klarion Sythis Lazerhawks 315	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:44:56 - [107] - Quote Sakul Aubaris wrote: This sounds awesome. Don't know if anyone write this before, and haven't eyes on the testserver atm, but please CCP, if you write about "multiple" known-space-statics don't think to small. This system can't have enough statics. Give it at least 5 of each kind (Hi, Low, 0.0) so there is allways a way a thirdparty can enter without being interceptet. And Locals have multiple choices to leave and enter Thera. Bether make it ten of each. Each static multiplies the possibilities of content. If you doing this big enough, Thera will be the place for smallscale in whole EVE. The reason W-Space was a place for small scale at all was because of the mass limitations and limited connections. 5-10 WH's of each type doesn't sound to me like you want to third party with a small gang. Unless small to you means less than 1000.
Lana Sevol Yllaer 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:47:29 - [108] - Quote Obil Que wrote: Obviously it is there for the mobile compression array and the new T3 ice venture :) If only there was some sort of frigate skill for expeditions like this. Calling it now, new Expedition Frigate that can mine ice.
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:55:51 - [109] - Quote Lana Sevol Yllaer wrote: Obil Que wrote: Obviously it is there for the mobile compression array and the new T3 ice venture :) If only there was some sort of frigate skill for expeditions like this. Calling it now, new Expedition Frigate that can mine ice. It wouldn't be that far fetched to add the ability to the Prospect It has a decent sized bay to hold almost as much as the Procurer so really all it needs it the ability to use the modules
Irya Boone Never Surrender. 405	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:57:19 - [110] - Quote Thanks CCP phoebe and rhea awesome !!! But can we have the ability to Walk in this new stations ? plizzzzz CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!
Lana Sevol Yllaer 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:59:33 - [111] - Quote Obil Que wrote: Lana Sevol Yllaer wrote: Obil Que wrote: Obviously it is there for the mobile compression array and the new T3 ice venture :) If only there was some sort of frigate skill for expeditions like this. Calling it now, new Expedition Frigate that can mine ice. It wouldn't be that far fetched to add the ability to the Prospect It has a decent sized bay to hold almost as much as the Procurer so really all it needs it the ability to use the modules But that dashes my hopes of a new T2 Gas Huffing frigate. (Since the Prospect huffs at the same rate as a Venture, with just a larger bay.)
DaReaper Net 7 1229	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:16:04 - [112] - Quote Lana Sevol Yllaer wrote: Obil Que wrote: Lana Sevol Yllaer wrote: Obil Que wrote: Obviously it is there for the mobile compression array and the new T3 ice venture :) If only there was some sort of frigate skill for expeditions like this. Calling it now, new Expedition Frigate that can mine ice. It wouldn't be that far fetched to add the ability to the Prospect It has a decent sized bay to hold almost as much as the Procurer so really all it needs it the ability to use the modules But that dashes my hopes of a new T2 Gas Huffing frigate. (Since the Prospect huffs at the same rate as a Venture, with just a larger bay.) see here is why I asked, now you got people talking, and maybe ccp thought of it but if they didn't they can go 'oops!' OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Two step Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 4812	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:22:43 - [113] - Quote So happy to see this announced. W-space has needed new content for a while now, and I look forward to seeing how the new systems end up being used. Will the new C5/C6 systems have capital capable statics to k-space? CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Kerono Thalmor Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 29	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:26:26 - [114] - Quote Ew. Kerono Thalmor Former CEO of Thalmor Corporation
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5629	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:28:19 - [115] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: What are the odds of doubling the stations and size of Thera if it proves to be too small after some time? Or would you simply add another system like it? We're all kinda thinking the same thing. A group of 4 people can lockup a station pretty easily, then dock about as easily. I see it happening. I'm not sure for how long. I'm a little less worried about people at sites. Yes they will be probed down to death the first week or two. After the novelty wears off though.. You can put too many stations into a system and defeat the whole purpose of it. A lot of us see 4 as too low. I believe 9 is too high. You could put more stations in, but the one that people designate as "the trade hub", will be the one under 24 hour hobo watch. I'm going to stop theorycrafting though and go see it first. CCP are killing hobo jamming. Unless it has already happened. The Paradox
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 511	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:30:45 - [116] - Quote hobojamming died with the phoebe patch, rip in **** if you are concerned about people station camping in a 0.0 system then lmbo
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group 380	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:35:35 - [117] - Quote Please make sure you completely disallow warp bubbles in Thera. If you want to ensure that the system doesn't stay locked down and has the opportunity for enterprising industrialists and independent/small groups to settle and set up a market, treat the system mechanics more like lowsec than null. Dat...system size.
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group 380	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:38:14 - [118] - Quote sereneabt wrote: We from CODE are looking forward to this System. As your loyal servants we take it upon ourselves to police this new frontier. You should secure your permit in advance if you wish to enjoy our protection. Yeah you and 50 other groups. I look forward to seeing CODE lossmails thinking they'll be exclusive to gank rights in Thera lololololol
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 5558	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:45:00 - [119] - Quote The new SOE skin doesn't apply to the current SOE station in Lanngisi (I'm lazy, didn't check the others). Is there any intention to apply the new SOE skin to the k-space SOE stations? Day 0 Advice for New Players
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3263	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:45:51 - [120] - Quote Wow. Only 4 stations. Did not see that coming. This pretty much renders the system useless for most capsuleers. You don't think the Goons or PL or any other major alliance can indefinitely lock down 4 stations? They can. They will. Super disappointed there. It's just a toy for alliance combat. You've locked out everyone else who would have an interest in going, which is to say, most players. I guess the rest of us will just have to wait for you to figure it out. WTF CCP? What are you thinking? Surely you've thought about this... what do YOU think is going to happen?
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 5558	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:51:28 - [121] - Quote sereneabt wrote: We from CODE are looking forward to this System. As your loyal servants we take it upon ourselves to police this new frontier. You should secure your permit in advance if you wish to enjoy our protection. As long as you understand that there is no CONCORD to protect you in w-space, you'll be just fine. Make sure you understand how to defend yourself from targets that shoot back, and you will also want to acquaint yourselves with the mechanics of warp disruption bubbles. Remember that the folks who already live in w-space are used to shooting at things that shoot back, and they are not averse to shooting first. TL;DR: No CONCORD to protect you Targets will shoot you first Targets will prefer to shoot you rather than pay a permit fee (see first two points) Warp disruption fields GL, HF! Day 0 Advice for New Players
Tarpedo Incursionista 1400	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:58:30 - [122] - Quote Very nice addition to the game. Now (with shutdown of Dust and WoD development) there is hope for more and interesting territorial expansions (including maybe even WiS). However I'll wait for a space where there will be no scanning mini-game - because it sucks badly. Or till it will be replaced with some sort of automated process (deploy-able automatic scanner for example).
Longdrinks Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 132	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:00:00 - [123] - Quote Gogela wrote: Wow. Only 4 stations. Did not see that coming. This pretty much renders the system useless for most capsuleers. You don't think the Goons or PL or any other major alliance can indefinitely lock down 4 stations? They can. They will. Super disappointed there. It's just a toy for alliance combat. You've locked out everyone else who would have an interest in going, which is to say, most players. I guess the rest of us will just have to wait for you to figure it out. WTF CCP? What are you thinking? Surely you've thought about this... what do YOU think is going to happen? People live with this in npc nullsec every day but we also have anchorable bubbles. Maybe you should git good?
Red Teufel Mafia Redux Irresponsible Use of Capital. 396	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:06:55 - [124] - Quote Gogela wrote: Wow. Only 4 stations. Did not see that coming. This pretty much renders the system useless for most capsuleers. You don't think the Goons or PL or any other major alliance can indefinitely lock down 4 stations? They can. They will. Super disappointed there. It's just a toy for alliance combat. You've locked out everyone else who would have an interest in going, which is to say, most players. I guess the rest of us will just have to wait for you to figure it out. WTF CCP? What are you thinking? Surely you've thought about this... what do YOU think is going to happen? Exactly my thoughts. I think CCP decided over half of the eve community wants to use it so they had to limit the station use. because why on earth would a pvper want to live anywhere else. literally all of eve will now become your back yard to pick fights and gank ratters.
Eessi Murderous Inc 20	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:08:01 - [125] - Quote Scan statics from Thera on sisi: 3x Outgoing low sec connections (wormhole id V898): Battleships can pass through 3x Null sec exit (wormhole id E587): Frieghters can pass through but not carriers. 2x High sec outgoing conenctions wormhole id Q063): Only Battlecruisers and below can pass through. 1x High sec k162 3x k162 connections to c1-3 3x k162 connections to c4-5
Ghelisis Achasse Scope Works 19	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:10:29 - [126] - Quote I think I know where they are going with this, storylinewise. Lets look at this. "The Sanctuary" is the "center of the science research the Sisters are undertaking on the EVE gate." In the storyline, the Sisters have been studying the Gate in the New Eden system for a while now. So, what is Thera? Thera is HUGE storylinewise, because it is simply THE SYSTEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EVE GATE, and the Shattered systems are systems that are close to Thera physically, showcasing the extreme power of the Eve Gate megahole explosion. The Sisters found Thera accidentally on one of their trips through a random wormhole, and built stations there to study the anomaly from the OTHER side. This will be HUGE, and if it is true, more fuel to the fire that W-space is ACTUALLY the Milky Way galaxy post Eve Gate explosion. amirite Devs? :D
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:13:08 - [127] - Quote Longdrinks wrote: Gogela wrote: Wow. Only 4 stations. Did not see that coming. This pretty much renders the system useless for most capsuleers. You don't think the Goons or PL or any other major alliance can indefinitely lock down 4 stations? They can. They will. Super disappointed there. It's just a toy for alliance combat. You've locked out everyone else who would have an interest in going, which is to say, most players. I guess the rest of us will just have to wait for you to figure it out. WTF CCP? What are you thinking? Surely you've thought about this... what do YOU think is going to happen? People live with this in npc nullsec every day but we also have anchorable bubbles. Maybe you should git good? Maybe you should git clue. This isn't like fountain. I've lived in Fountain and it's doable. Somedays you get to play and some days you need to stay the hell out of fountain. ...but what unique properties does fountain have? Why would people want to even be out there? How many NPC stations are there in nullsec across all regions? In fountain if it's bad in A1CON go to WY or Serpentis Prime or YZ or other systems. There's room to move around. There's also a lot less draw to A1CON. What if A1CON was the ONLY system in nullsec with NPC stations. It would be totally unusable... and that's without anything particularly awesome about the system. Thera will be forever camped. There'll be at minimum 30 Onyx/Broadsword on undock 23/7. "git good"? If there's one thing I'm good at it's not PvP... it's getting away. There's no getting away from this. This system is useless if you aren't in a major alliance. Full stop.
Lord Battlestar Faulcon de Lazy 190	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:13:41 - [128] - Quote I really like the idea, but I would make a caviat that says that all bubbles should be banned, because even with the size all it would take is a fleet of bored nullsec or lowsec players to camp most if not all of the wormholes to highsec. If they were banned it would still allow local disruption and wormhole camps but not hictors sitting around with 24 km bubbles with their support blocking every wormhole lol. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Arec Bardwin 1610	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:16:54 - [129] - Quote Thera looks interesting. Tough I'm afraid the population will be all wolves and no sheep.
Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 546	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:20:14 - [130] - Quote Deacon Abox wrote: Will these Thera stations finally have windows? because otherwise just boring station games. This would require that anyone at CCP realize how crucial Walking in Stations is to the survival of their game. :/ Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
Lamthara Lachesis Emporio Amarr 22	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:22:22 - [131] - Quote This is what i was really looking for since the Apocrypha expansion... more wormholes to play with. Moreover the idea of a huge wormhole space that works like a hub for the other wormholes is very interesting. I'm looking forward to docking in the SOE station...
Crasniya Strange Energy The Bastion 546	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:23:26 - [132] - Quote Tarpedo wrote: Very nice addition to the game. Now (with shutdown of Dust and WoD development) there is hope for more and interesting territorial expansions (including maybe even WiS). Um... DUST just got a huge content patch. o_o Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
Emiko Rowna Aliastra Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:29:20 - [133] - Quote No Agents yet but will there be a place to spend LP?
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:34:33 - [134] - Quote fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2518	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:34:51 - [135] - Quote To help prevent the stations from being perma-camped death traps you could enable the station guns, this would help prevent undock shenanigans. They are operated by the sisters of eve they should at least care enough to not promote constant violence on there front door. An idea from the test server feedback thread is to remove the Guest List from the stations. -
Horus V The Destined Drunken Hyena Association 97	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:38:13 - [136] - Quote 342 AU and the sun will have exact same size no metter where you are V
Arec Bardwin 1610	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:40:30 - [137] - Quote Horus V wrote: 342 AU and the sun will have exact same size no metter where you are Yeah! That's the one thing that always bugged me about EVE. It would be SO awesome if star size and light scaled with distance.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:45:05 - [138] - Quote lmao at everyone wanting thera to be wormhole lowsec
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:45:59 - [139] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 167	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:50:56 - [140] - Quote Thera seems really interesting. I don't know about the expectation that it will be one of the busiest systems in Eve. It's a testament to CCP's commitment to the flavor and depth of the Eve Universe in their continuing commitment to new art, diverse environments, and rich lore. Eve's player base, however, seems completely uninterested in lore, role-play, or anything beyond flavorless making of ISK, collecting kill mails, etc. Not that this is bad, mind you. I play Eve because of the strategy and sport as well as the complexity of industry. Whether Thera actually catches on will be more a matter of how the mechanics support player interaction than the fact that it is really freaking cool, though. The new wormhole types, on the other hand, are sure to generate a lot of interest, basically returning wormholes to what CCP had originally intended for them: places you go, not live, and places where you are presented with fights against unexpected foes rather than places where you set up a base and roll the hole until you find someone you want to fight. This addition is absolutely excellent.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:53:11 - [141] - Quote Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:09:32 - [142] - Quote really, these sorts of posts highlight a disturbing trend on the eve-o forums posters who harbor personal feelings about a topic, typically derived from misinformation and simple lack of domain knowledge of the topics of which they speak, attempt to dilute or otherwise willfully degrade a new feature by crafting a vignette which, while might be true or possibe in its ludicrous framing, simply does not reflect reality trying to pre-compensate for these vignettes is the height of folly and is a hallmark of poor decision making and poor critical thinking skills
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:11:23 - [143] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec Look, I have a lot of respect for what you guys can pull off... and I think you are selling yourself short when you imply that this would be difficult to pull off all on your own for 4 stations. ...but it's a bit conceited to think you stand alone in this capability. You guys can do this across regions, but when the tip of the spear is focused on 4 stations in one system... when everyone has jump clones installed, I think backup will be effectively unlimited. Hell, if you guys pulled off holding all 4 stations each pilot could have 4 clones in the system (a x5 force multiplier). There are many super-pro corps, some unaffiliated with alliances, that could do this with a single station as well. If CCP made it lowsec it still wouldn't make a lick of difference, so I'm not suggesting that. That's what I'm trying to say. They need a LOT of stations in Thera if there's to be even a CHANCE of life out there for the unaffiliated or small corps. You may have the most powerful alliance in nullsec, but when it comes to who can pull together a super tight impenetrable fleet to camp a single station 23/7 you most certainly do not stand alone.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 168	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:14:25 - [144] - Quote CCP, please put ice in the frigate holes and please provide an ice-mining destroyer. And don't forget a tiny compression deployable.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 168	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:16:40 - [145] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: sereneabt wrote: We from CODE are looking forward to this System. As your loyal servants we take it upon ourselves to police this new frontier. You should secure your permit in advance if you wish to enjoy our protection. As long as you understand that there is no CONCORD to protect you in w-space, you'll be just fine. Make sure you understand how to defend yourself from targets that shoot back, and you will also want to acquaint yourselves with the mechanics of warp disruption bubbles. Remember that the folks who already live in w-space are used to shooting at things that shoot back, and they are not averse to shooting first. TL;DR: No CONCORD to protect you Targets will shoot you first Targets will prefer to shoot you rather than pay a permit fee (see first two points) Warp disruption fields GL, HF! CODE. is faking. They don't dare show their faces where there is no mechanics exploit and/or the targets can shoot back. Remember the alliance tournament? No need for further comment. His CEO is already hitting him over the head for posting here. Those retards are high sec only and they good and well know it.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:19:59 - [146] - Quote Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec Look, I have a lot of respect for what you guys can pull off... and I think you are selling yourself short when you imply that this would be difficult to pull off all on your own for 4 stations. ...but it's a bit conceited to think you stand alone in this capability. You guys can do this across regions, but when the tip of the spear is focused on 4 stations in one system... when everyone has jump clones installed, I think backup will be effectively unlimited. Hell, if you guys pulled off holding all 4 stations each pilot could have 4 clones in the system (a x5 force multiplier). There are many super-pro corps, some unaffiliated with alliances, that could do this with a single station as well. If CCP made it lowsec it still wouldn't make a lick of difference, so I'm not suggesting that. That's what I'm trying to say. They need a LOT of stations in Thera if there's to be even a CHANCE of life out there for the unaffiliated or small corps. You may have the most powerful alliance in nullsec, but when it comes to who can pull together a super tight impenetrable fleet to camp a single station 23/7 you most certainly do not stand alone. there you go with that vignette again well here let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is possible and we'll even go so far as to assume that any given group has a RIGHT to be in thera (which they obviously don't GÇö-áno one has the explicit right to do anything with thera) the question then becomes wwwwwhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyy what purpose is there to own thera it has no moon goo, you can't claim sov, pve content is transient by its wormhole nature, there's no PI, it isn't a security risk (intentionally exhausting any thera holes leading into your space is far more effort efficient than controlling the stations,) and you can't even flip the stations and deadzone the folks inside the best you can do is farm killmails off the station and while that is fun, it does not necessitate a protracted hellcamp of the sort that simply denies access to all comers, forever and ever
Ager Agemo Caldari Provisions Caldari State 445	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:23:18 - [147] - Quote why no shield bonuses for the shield frigs? Also how will CCP prevent goons or some huge alliance from just crowding the system and making it inaccessible/unusable to any other player?
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:26:52 - [148] - Quote Ager Agemo wrote: why no shield bonuses for the shield frigs? Also how will CCP prevent goons or some huge alliance from just crowding the system and making it inaccessible/unusable to any other player? ccp doesn't, you do with guns wormholes are 0.0 if this logic even held remotely true then why haven't we invaded all of normal wormhole space and choked it off to everyone forever
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5630	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:30:39 - [149] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec Promiscuous Female wrote: really, these sorts of posts highlight a disturbing trend on the eve-o forums posters who harbor personal feelings about a topic, typically derived from misinformation and simple lack of domain knowledge of the topics of which they speak, attempt to dilute or otherwise willfully degrade a new feature by crafting a vignette which, while might be true or possibe in its ludicrous framing, simply does not reflect reality trying to pre-compensate for these vignettes is the height of folly and is a hallmark of poor decision making and poor critical thinking skills Before you embarrass yourself more, read the dev blog: Quote: The four stations in Thera will each have a full set of services, including cloning, office slots, and manufacturing. You will be able to set these stations as your medical clone location, and install Jump Clones if you wish. The Paradox
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:34:59 - [150] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec Look, I have a lot of respect for what you guys can pull off... and I think you are selling yourself short when you imply that this would be difficult to pull off all on your own for 4 stations. ...but it's a bit conceited to think you stand alone in this capability. You guys can do this across regions, but when the tip of the spear is focused on 4 stations in one system... when everyone has jump clones installed, I think backup will be effectively unlimited. Hell, if you guys pulled off holding all 4 stations each pilot could have 4 clones in the system (a x5 force multiplier). There are many super-pro corps, some unaffiliated with alliances, that could do this with a single station as well. If CCP made it lowsec it still wouldn't make a lick of difference, so I'm not suggesting that. That's what I'm trying to say. They need a LOT of stations in Thera if there's to be even a CHANCE of life out there for the unaffiliated or small corps. You may have the most powerful alliance in nullsec, but when it comes to who can pull together a super tight impenetrable fleet to camp a single station 23/7 you most certainly do not stand alone. there you go with that vignette again well here let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is possible and we'll even go so far as to assume that any given group has a RIGHT to be in thera (which they obviously don't GÇö-áno one has the explicit right to do anything with thera) the question then becomes wwwwwhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyy what purpose is there to own thera it has no moon goo, you can't claim sov, pve content is transient by its wormhole nature, there's no PI, it isn't a security risk (intentionally exhausting any thera holes leading into your space is far more effort efficient than controlling the stations,) and you can't even flip the stations and deadzone the folks inside the best you can do is farm killmails off the station and while that is fun, it does not necessitate a protracted hellcamp of the sort that simply denies access to all comers, forever and ever To live in a station with services in a wormhole system alone is super appealing to pirates. To live in an INVULNERABLE station and farm sleepers is appealing to others. Pirates are not PvPers exactly (many anyway), so for PvP you'll have the most diverse set of targets across the whole of EvE every day. CODE would have all the lulz they could ask for. I think there will even be some new professions/play styles to come out of this. Not everyone has your motivations for playing EvE. I personally don't give a snip about sov or goo or mining or flipping stations. I still have a full plate. Ninja looters would have a field day there, if they could ever undock. If anyone could. There's a huge list of players w/ different objectives who don't care at all about anything you've listed. There's plenty of draw to the concept of Thera. I just don't see any access. I agree nobody has the RIGHT to be anywhere or do anything. I just don't see most players having a CHANCE with only 4 stations.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:35:46 - [151] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Before you embarrass yourself more, read the dev blog: Quote: The four stations in Thera will each have a full set of services, including cloning, office slots, and manufacturing. You will be able to set these stations as your medical clone location, and install Jump Clones if you wish. ah yes the devblog canceling out a single line in my explanation that had nothing to do with the point especially when i couched the line in question to implicitly admit that i didn't know if it was true or not truly i have suffered the greatest of embarrassments
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:37:47 - [152] - Quote i see the "reveal the smallest flaw of the statement in question, no matter how irrelevant it is to the main point, and wedge a crowbar into it as a sad facsimile of onanism" tactic is in full force here
Klarion Sythis Lazerhawks 315	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:40:45 - [153] - Quote Ironically the only motivation I see for a power bloc to come in and camp this system is to upset the people posting about how it will happen. There was a post earlier with an initial scan showing what seems a good approximation of 15 active connections at a given time. 9 of those appear to be static connections. That's a minimum of 9 camps you have to set up to lock down the system and "own" it without considering the tons of k162's that will open up into you constantly that you have to collapse. For those who have never done a wormhole eviction, I assure you doing this with even 1 connection is enough of a ***** as it is. Then add in the fact you can set medical clones and jump clones there and holding this system as your own gets pretty close to impossible. Even if you somehow did, you'd hate yourself for choosing to do it. The 342 AU distance was given to illustrate the distance between two stations, not the entire system, so it's likely bigger. You might be able to find a pocket and hide from probes there to PVE, but I doubt there will be a shortage of people looking for you. All in all, this place will be pretty sandboxy. There are tons of opportunities for how to hunt, live, and die stupidly.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:42:08 - [154] - Quote Gogela wrote: To live in a station with services in a wormhole system alone is super appealing to pirates. To live in an INVULNERABLE station and farm sleepers is appealing to others. Pirates are not PvPers exactly (many anyway), so for PvP you'll have the most diverse set of targets across the whole of EvE every day. CODE would have all the lulz they could ask for. I think there will even be some new professions/play styles to come out of this. Not everyone has your motivations for playing EvE. I personally don't give a snip about sov or goo or mining or flipping stations. I still have a full plate. Ninja looters would have a field day there, if they could ever undock. If anyone could. There's a huge list of players w/ different objectives who don't care at all about anything you've listed. There's plenty of draw to the concept of Thera. I just don't see any access. I agree nobody has the RIGHT to be anywhere or do anything. I just don't see most players having a CHANCE with only 4 stations. i never said there was no draw to thera, period i said there was no draw for the organizations that have the organizational power, the numbers, and the will to do what you're suggesting and, i'm also saying that if a station in a 0.0 system gets camped, good on them GÇö-áthey are using their pvp prowess to poop in the cheerios of others, a core 0.0 game mechanic
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:48:28 - [155] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: To live in a station with services in a wormhole system alone is super appealing to pirates. To live in an INVULNERABLE station and farm sleepers is appealing to others. Pirates are not PvPers exactly (many anyway), so for PvP you'll have the most diverse set of targets across the whole of EvE every day. CODE would have all the lulz they could ask for. I think there will even be some new professions/play styles to come out of this. Not everyone has your motivations for playing EvE. I personally don't give a snip about sov or goo or mining or flipping stations. I still have a full plate. Ninja looters would have a field day there, if they could ever undock. If anyone could. There's a huge list of players w/ different objectives who don't care at all about anything you've listed. There's plenty of draw to the concept of Thera. I just don't see any access. I agree nobody has the RIGHT to be anywhere or do anything. I just don't see most players having a CHANCE with only 4 stations. i never said there was no draw to thera, period i said there was no draw for the organizations that have the organizational power, the numbers, and the will to do what you're suggesting and, i'm also saying that if a station in a 0.0 system gets camped, good on them GÇö-áthey are using their pvp prowess to poop in the cheerios of others, a core 0.0 game mechanic ...* Do you even know who you've joined? Goons exist to f*** up the game. ...and they aren't alone. Alliances might do it just out of boredom. They'll do it for grief and lulz. In the absence of alliances there are plenty of CORPS that could do it as well. I see why you might have trouble thinking outside the numbers... but it's not strictly about numbers. You are reaching. "i said there was no draw for the organizations that have the ~~organizational power~~, the ~~numbers~~, and ~~the will~~ to do what you're suggesting" Gû¦ wrong on each count.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:52:47 - [156] - Quote Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: To live in a station with services in a wormhole system alone is super appealing to pirates. To live in an INVULNERABLE station and farm sleepers is appealing to others. Pirates are not PvPers exactly (many anyway), so for PvP you'll have the most diverse set of targets across the whole of EvE every day. CODE would have all the lulz they could ask for. I think there will even be some new professions/play styles to come out of this. Not everyone has your motivations for playing EvE. I personally don't give a snip about sov or goo or mining or flipping stations. I still have a full plate. Ninja looters would have a field day there, if they could ever undock. If anyone could. There's a huge list of players w/ different objectives who don't care at all about anything you've listed. There's plenty of draw to the concept of Thera. I just don't see any access. I agree nobody has the RIGHT to be anywhere or do anything. I just don't see most players having a CHANCE with only 4 stations. i never said there was no draw to thera, period i said there was no draw for the organizations that have the organizational power, the numbers, and the will to do what you're suggesting and, i'm also saying that if a station in a 0.0 system gets camped, good on them GÇö-áthey are using their pvp prowess to poop in the cheerios of others, a core 0.0 game mechanic ...* Do you even know who you've joined? Goons exist to f*** up the game. ...and they aren't alone. Alliances might do it just out of boredom. They'll do it for grief and lulz. In the absence of alliances there are plenty of CORPS that could do it as well. I see why you might have trouble thinking outside the numbers... but it's not strictly about numbers. You are reaching. "i said there was no draw for the organizations that have the ~~organizational power~~, the ~~numbers~~, and ~~the will~~ to do what you're suggesting" Gû¦ wrong on each count. you're worried about 24/7 hellcamps that will bar access to the system forever, not pissant corps with no organizational or financial power if you can't dodge or wait out the odd station camp then what the taff are you doing in null security space
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:00:47 - [157] - Quote but by all means please continue to tell me about my organization and its motives and modus operandi
Sizeof Void Ninja Suicide Squadron 521	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:02:50 - [158] - Quote I'd like to see a new class of WH space which allows cap and supercap fleets to pass through several times before collapsing. Ofc, these new WH systems should not have any moons, so that permanently stationing a fleet in the WH system would be extremely problematic.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:06:14 - [159] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: Gogela wrote: To live in a station with services in a wormhole system alone is super appealing to pirates. To live in an INVULNERABLE station and farm sleepers is appealing to others. Pirates are not PvPers exactly (many anyway), so for PvP you'll have the most diverse set of targets across the whole of EvE every day. CODE would have all the lulz they could ask for. I think there will even be some new professions/play styles to come out of this. Not everyone has your motivations for playing EvE. I personally don't give a snip about sov or goo or mining or flipping stations. I still have a full plate. Ninja looters would have a field day there, if they could ever undock. If anyone could. There's a huge list of players w/ different objectives who don't care at all about anything you've listed. There's plenty of draw to the concept of Thera. I just don't see any access. I agree nobody has the RIGHT to be anywhere or do anything. I just don't see most players having a CHANCE with only 4 stations. i never said there was no draw to thera, period i said there was no draw for the organizations that have the organizational power, the numbers, and the will to do what you're suggesting and, i'm also saying that if a station in a 0.0 system gets camped, good on them GÇö-áthey are using their pvp prowess to poop in the cheerios of others, a core 0.0 game mechanic ...* Do you even know who you've joined? Goons exist to f* up the game. ...and they aren't alone. Alliances might do it just out of boredom. They'll do it for grief and lulz. In the absence of alliances there are plenty of CORPS that could do it as well. I see why you might have trouble thinking outside the numbers... but it's not strictly about numbers. You are reaching. "i said there was no draw for the organizations that have the ~~organizational power~~, the ~~numbers~~, and ~~the will~~ to do what you're suggesting" Gû¦ wrong on each count. you're worried about 24/7 hellcamps that will bar access to the system forever, not pissant corps with no organizational or financial power if you can't dodge or wait out the odd station camp then what the taff are you doing in null security space Lets say NO alliance is bored or would hell camp 4 stations. There's no way that's the case, but for fun let's just say it is. There are plenty of corps that would. In the absence of another, some organization will step up to hell camp a station because 1) Thera will be unique in all of EvE, 2) there are only 4 stations, 3) it will p* pods off, 4) they can, 5) they are bored. ...any one of which stands alone. Normal station camps can be avoided. Pro station camps cannot, and make undocking impossible. There are too many pros focused on too few stations. These will be the only 4 stations of their kind in the entire game. These aren't going to be the "odd stations camps"... they are going to be the pro station camps. In the vacuum of one power another will take it's place. I have insta outs all over fountain. I can live there. NPC null is hard but its doable. It's not about locking down the system. If you lock down the stations the foundation of the draw to Thera crumbles. That's all you have to do. There are tons of groups that could do it. It may be 4 unrelated corps that join a temp non-aggression pact... but these stations are getting locked down one way or another. If you don't do it someone else will: because it can be done it will be done. We can wait and see of course... but I have a feeling my concerns are going to be immediately validated.
Steven Hackett Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 98	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:06:23 - [160] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: you're... complaining about new wormhole content idgi they are even adding ice belts for y'all to get connected to your homes, how could you not be over the moon about these changes So here is the thing.. More systems = more empty space unless they also add a few thousand players to live in w-space.. The ice is irrelevant since it's still more convenient and more time effective to ship it in from highsec. (Why save pennies/hour mining ice, when you can make millions/hour and buy the ice) All this change does is to add more wasteland and more irrelevant mechanics to w-space, like frig holes.. CCP is changing clone-costs because it's too expensive to fly cheap ships in expensive clones? Well, what makes them think I wan't to fly a frigat in my slave clone then? I can't change my clone in w-space.. If 20-30 mill is the breakingpoint for Nullsec, then it's a safe bet we don't want to risk billions in clones. So what does this expansion actually add to w-space? - More signatures and irrelevant wormholes to scan and scout - Less population density - Ice, which is worthless compared to other pve activities - Puts sleeper sites in K-space and in Thera, a system so irellevant to w-space way of life that it might as well be a normal nullsec. - Makes a "midpoint" between NS and W-space where people can get the bonus of living in w-space without the added risk of loosing all your stuff.. Honestly, I don't see how any w-space pilot can be happy about this? Maybe except for the very low-class wormholes where icemining might actualy be good isk? Adding new space to EVE isn't a small thing, and Fozzie and co. choose to make the space as irellevant as humanly possible, just like most of their former w-space changes? Note. There is some stuff I like.. I do actualy like that they are adding ice, if nothing else, then it's an option for the solo player who can't do anything else.. I also don't mind the idea of making moon-less systems.. But the way they are doing it is counterproductive.. Add the ice as a roaming anomaly. Remove the moons from unocopied systems instead og feeding the biggest issue in w-space, player density. Fozzie and co. had some good ideas (some even taken from the w-space feedback threads), but their implementation and design around it is, as with most other changes they have made, terrible.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 514	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:21:01 - [161] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: you're... complaining about new wormhole content idgi they are even adding ice belts for y'all to get connected to your homes, how could you not be over the moon about these changes So here is the thing.. More systems = more empty space unless they also add a few thousand players to live in w-space.. The ice is irrelevant since it's still more convenient and more time effective to ship it in from highsec. (Why save pennies/hour mining ice, when you can make millions/hour and buy the ice) All this change does is to add more wasteland and more irrelevant mechanics to w-space, like frig holes.. CCP is changing clone-costs because it's too expensive to fly cheap ships in expensive clones? Well, what makes them think I wan't to fly a frigat in my slave clone then? I can't change my clone in w-space.. If 20-30 mill is the breakingpoint for Nullsec, then it's a safe bet we don't want to risk billions in clones. So what does this expansion actually add to w-space? - More signatures and irrelevant wormholes to scan and scout - Less population density - Ice, which is worthless compared to other pve activities - Puts sleeper sites in K-space and in Thera, a system so irellevant to w-space way of life that it might as well be a normal nullsec. - Makes a "midpoint" between NS and W-space where people can get the bonus of living in w-space without the added risk of loosing all your stuff.. Honestly, I don't see how any w-space pilot can be happy about this? Maybe except for the very low-class wormholes where icemining might actualy be good isk? Adding new space to EVE isn't a small thing, and Fozzie and co. choose to make the space as irellevant as humanly possible, just like most of their former w-space changes? Note. There is some stuff I like.. I do actualy like that they are adding ice, if nothing else, then it's an option for the solo player who can't do anything else.. I also don't mind the idea of making moon-less systems.. But the way they are doing it is counterproductive.. Add the ice as a roaming anomaly. Remove the moons from unocopied systems instead og feeding the biggest issue in w-space, player density. Fozzie and co. had some good ideas (some even taken from the w-space feedback threads), but their implementation and design around it is, as with most other changes they have made, terrible. if you want fights just dismantle your massive C5/C6 corp blue lists, that oughta shake things up a bit also discarding your weird organizational social mores about evictions and ehounour oughta shake it up a bit more adding new holes to pop up into your home systems also adds the potential of more fights, but what i think you truly are complaining about is the increase in effort required to make your home holes 100% safe mining ice is great pve content for newer players and provides a way for them to contribute before they have the SP to run the weird crap y'all use to run sites, but i suppose this is probably anathema to your organization as well and whoo the big bonus of having a single systemsworth of pve content available with an indeterminate number of people shuffling around in stations, truly thera's C3/C4 sites will dilute the splendor of the C5/C6 wormhole community and holy lawl if you actually believe that getting rid of clone costs and SP loss on death is a bad thing, this is basically the worst form of "i suffered through it so should you" sort of hazing imaginable, second only to complaining about the death of learning skills also adding more systems doesn't decrease density, it gives more players the opportunity to partake of wormhole pve content or did you forget that the current wormhole community's practice of rolling holes to find pve content creates feast-or-famine amounts of pve sites due to site clustering effects caused by a disproportionately small number of people being able to consume a wide berth of systems from the relative logistical comfort of a home base hrm yes how could concentrating all the wormhole pve sites into a handful of systems possibly hurt retention hrmm let us pontificate on this further basically, your entire set of opinions about this change are objectively cancerous and hopefully we can nip this in the bud before it metastasizes to someone whose opinions actually matter
Lyron-Baktos Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 466	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:29:10 - [162] - Quote Adding 100 new systems to WH space is like adding 100 new systems to deep null where you can fly through 20 straight systems and see like 1 person. I'm looking at 15 systems in our chain right now and all of them have either abandoned/anchored towers, online towers with there owners logged off or straight empty systems. Remove 101 current empty WH systems and then add these new ones. Or just convert the current 101 systems to the new ones. We don't need more systems, we need less, better systems. I want to look at my 15 system chain and have to decide on which target to go after. I don't want to have to look at my 15 system chain and decide if I want to roll it or go watch tv How the fuck do you remove a signature?
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 514	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:37:54 - [163] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: I'm looking at 15 systems in our chain right now [..], online towers with there owners logged off go reinforce their towers bam content
Two step Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 4812	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:42:22 - [164] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: you're... complaining about new wormhole content idgi they are even adding ice belts for y'all to get connected to your homes, how could you not be over the moon about these changes So here is the thing.. More systems = more empty space unless they also add a few thousand players to live in w-space.. The ice is irrelevant since it's still more convenient and more time effective to ship it in from highsec. (Why save pennies/hour mining ice, when you can make millions/hour and buy the ice) All this change does is to add more wasteland and more irrelevant mechanics to w-space, like frig holes.. CCP is changing clone-costs because it's too expensive to fly cheap ships in expensive clones? Well, what makes them think I wan't to fly a frigat in my slave clone then? I can't change my clone in w-space.. If 20-30 mill is the breakingpoint for Nullsec, then it's a safe bet we don't want to risk billions in clones. So what does this expansion actually add to w-space? - More signatures and irrelevant wormholes to scan and scout - Less population density - Ice, which is worthless compared to other pve activities - Puts sleeper sites in K-space and in Thera, a system so irellevant to w-space way of life that it might as well be a normal nullsec. - Makes a "midpoint" between NS and W-space where people can get the bonus of living in w-space without the added risk of loosing all your stuff.. Honestly, I don't see how any w-space pilot can be happy about this? Maybe except for the very low-class wormholes where icemining might actualy be good isk? Adding new space to EVE isn't a small thing, and Fozzie and co. choose to make the space as irellevant as humanly possible, just like most of their former w-space changes? Note. There is some stuff I like.. I do actualy like that they are adding ice, if nothing else, then it's an option for the solo player who can't do anything else.. I also don't mind the idea of making moon-less systems.. But the way they are doing it is counterproductive.. Add the ice as a roaming anomaly. Remove the moons from unocopied systems instead og feeding the biggest issue in w-space, player density. Fozzie and co. had some good ideas (some even taken from the w-space feedback threads), but their implementation and design around it is, as with most other changes they have made, terrible and shows that while they might listen and read, they don't understand or have the insight needed. If anyone think it's a good idea to add more(irellevant) space to w-space, where empty systems is the biggest issue, they rly need a sanity check.. Actualy, I think sanity check is what CCP is missing with this new release cycle.. They added the frig WH-connectors last patch and we hated them. Now they are making the systems after the community told them the cpnnectors were useless without the actual systems.. Feedback that they got before they launched the patch in the first place.. (Note: I still havn't seen them remove the useless WH-connectors yet.) CCP and especialy Fozzie needs to slow down and get a sanity check. Gather feedback and don't release half-assed "features" because they thought it would be cool to "see what the players are doing"... There is a different word for that type of gamedesign, but saying it is prob. against the rules ;) You keep saying "we" like you think you represent all of w-space. Here is a hint: you don't. As an actual person who has represented all of w-space, residents have a number of diverse opinions, and getting any 5 or 6 of them to agree to something would be very difficult. For example, you "hate" the frig holes, but they played a small part in being able to get reinforcements into our home system during the recent invasion. They certainly can be a pain from time to time, but they do add an interesting new mechanic to w-space, one that is hard for existing groups to control and even understand. Player density in w-space is a difficult issue, in fact. If w-space becomes too dense, you lose the ability to sneak up on people, and you also drive out smaller groups. Adding new systems that are even harder to live in or invade or control could be a very good thing. They also offer a lot more interesting low/0.0 connections to those of us in higher class wormholes, since now a lot more C6s will have statics to k-space. Especially with the jump fatigue changes, this might mean more w-space groups can do fun things like drop dreads on ratting carriers and make their escape before the 0.0 guys can react. New things are good. w-space is good. New things in w-space is extra good. Given CCP's faster release cycle, if things suck, they can be adjusted, but you are just speculating, and doing a bad job of it, IMHO. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
KatanTharkay V I R I I Ineluctable. 47	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:42:28 - [165] - Quote Advertised as the largest system ever, I was hoping that this would be the first multiple star system in EVE . Well, maybe some other time.
Steven Hackett Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 99	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:43:51 - [166] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: if you want fights just dismantle your massive C5/C6 corp blue lists, that oughta shake things up a bit also discarding your weird organizational social mores about evictions and ehounour oughta shake it up a bit more adding new holes to pop up into your home systems also adds the potential of more fights, but what i think you truly are complaining about is the increase in effort required to make your home holes 100% safe mining ice is great pve content for newer players and provides a way for them to contribute before they have the SP to run the weird crap y'all use to run sites, but i suppose this is probably anathema to your organization as well and whoo the big bonus of having a single systemsworth of pve content available with an indeterminate number of people shuffling around in stations, truly thera's C3/C4 sites will dilute the splendor of the C5/C6 wormhole community and holy lawl if you actually believe that getting rid of clone costs and SP loss on death is a bad thing, this is basically the worst form of "i suffered through it so should you" sort of hazing imaginable, second only to complaining about the death of learning skills also adding more systems doesn't decrease density, it gives more players the opportunity to partake of wormhole pve content or did you forget that the current wormhole community's practice of rolling holes to find pve content creates feast-or-famine amounts of pve sites due to site clustering effects caused by a disproportionately small number of people being able to consume a wide berth of systems from the relative logistical comfort of a home base hrm yes how could concentrating all the wormhole pve sites into a handful of systems possibly hurt retention hrmm let us pontificate on this further basically, your entire set of opinions about this change are objectively cancerous and hopefully we can nip this in the bud before it metastasizes to someone whose opinions actually matter So.. You already know SSC isn't perma blue to any other large w-space entities.. if you spend just a few minuts checking stats you would know that our normal fleets range from 5-30 pilots depending on the time of the day.. But sure, you can base your opinion on fleets that happends less than 1 time pr. month. Just know that you are also only right 1 time/month.. and from the other several hundred times.. I would call that pretty bad stats, even for you.. These new wormholes won't add any new connections to our home system from what I read in the blog. Did you see anywhere that these new systems have more than 1 W-space statics for C5 space? Actualy, having more single w-space static systems makes the chances of rolling into us smaller.. Im sure the goons statistic squad can help you out on that one. About ice mining, please read where I wrote that I liked it because solo-players who couldn't run other stuff had something to do.. And then read it again, just to make sure you actualy also understood it. I don't remember mentioning anything about having a systemworth of pve sites? I assume you are talking about the "benefits of w-space without risking to loos your stuff part" - In that case, you are more of a carebear than I thought.. I was talking about the powerprojection you get from rolling K-space wormholes. Please don't assume I'm like you.. thanks.. For clone costs.. I never told you you should suffer because I do.. Im saying that gameplay surrounding frigats, in an enviroment where people can't change clones, seems rather dumb when you with the other hand is making changes to clones to make more veterans to fly said ships... If you already know that clonecosts makes people stay away from frigats, then why use so many resources on adding frigat gameplay that people aren't gonna use because they don't have the benefit of cheap clones. Adding systems decrease density.. If there is 200 empty systems, adding another 12 doesn't allow for more people to come and play. if they wanted to play they would have used one of the 200 empty systems(some of them with perfect PI etc.) that is already in place and not bother with a less-secure wormhole. That argument is just fundamentaly flawed, sorry.. Adding more space decreases density unless you add more people.. actualy.. Just ask that goonswarm statistic group about that one as well ;) Your next part just doesn't make any sense.. Sorry.. You should prob. check the wormhole fundamentals videos linked in the devblog and check the wiki before commenting on WH-rolling and site sawn mechanics.. Also.. it's my observation that the large groups doesn't roll their WHs nearly as often as they used to, cause there are no targets to be caught by doing that anymore.. Basically, your entire set of opinions about my post are objective cancerous and hopefully the rest of the people in this thread will be able to back their claims up with atleast some shred of evidence or at least circumstancial evidence and not just pull words and flawed arguments out of their ass.. Thank you for playing.. Now go back to your afk ishtar and enjoy your game.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:44:18 - [167] - Quote KatanTharkay wrote: Advertised as the largest system ever, I was hoping that this would be the first multiple star system in EVE . Well, maybe some other time. A binary? That IS a really cool idea!
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 2016	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:50:48 - [168] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: BadAssMcKill wrote: Will systems other than Thera have stations or what? Nope. Thera is unique. How about motherships that become the envisioned destructible stations There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote: Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Chirality Tisteloin Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion 52	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:51:24 - [169] - Quote Gogela wrote: KatanTharkay wrote: Advertised as the largest system ever, I was hoping that this would be the first multiple star system in EVE . Well, maybe some other time. A binary? That IS a really cool idea! A neutron star feeding on a red giant would also fit the destructive mood :) I guess next time ... See you at my blog: http://spindensity.wordpress.com/
Tikitina Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:55:05 - [170] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: Adding 100 new systems to WH space is like adding 100 new systems to deep null where you can fly through 20 straight systems and see like 1 person. I'm looking at 15 systems in our chain right now and all of them have either abandoned/anchored towers, online towers with there owners logged off or straight empty systems. Remove 101 current empty WH systems and then add these new ones. Or just convert the current 101 systems to the new ones. We don't need more systems, we need less, better systems. I want to look at my 15 system chain and have to decide on which target to go after. I don't want to have to look at my 15 system chain and decide if I want to roll it or go watch tv That is the nature of the way the original systems were laid out and the nature of players wanting to plant a flag that provides a indicator of their domain. Kind of like the five empires of Eve. Space is mostly empty desolate emptiness with some extremely localized activity. You must expect the vast majority of systems to be empty. If anything CCP made it too easy to upgrade systems. What needs to be done is for CCP to remove the system upgrade mechanic and make real-sec mean something again and add about 5 times more null-sec systems above, below, and around the existing systems. Then you would have a lot of small pockets of activity, which a vast nothingness surrounding them to act as a defense buffer, were just a few large organizations would have a hell of a time trying to control. That with the recent jump changes will make force projection far more difficult. And, move moon mining to the new massive asteroids belts feature as said many years ago.
Steven Hackett Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 99	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:56:08 - [171] - Quote Two step wrote: You keep saying "we" like you think you represent all of w-space. Here is a hint: you don't. As an actual person who has represented all of w-space, residents have a number of diverse opinions, and getting any 5 or 6 of them to agree to something would be very difficult. For example, you "hate" the frig holes, but they played a small part in being able to get reinforcements into our home system during the recent invasion. They certainly can be a pain from time to time, but they do add an interesting new mechanic to w-space, one that is hard for existing groups to control and even understand. Player density in w-space is a difficult issue, in fact. If w-space becomes too dense, you lose the ability to sneak up on people, and you also drive out smaller groups. Adding new systems that are even harder to live in or invade or control could be a very good thing. They also offer a lot more interesting low/0.0 connections to those of us in higher class wormholes, since now a lot more C6s will have statics to k-space. Especially with the jump fatigue changes, this might mean more w-space groups can do fun things like drop dreads on ratting carriers and make their escape before the 0.0 guys can react. New things are good. w-space is good. New things in w-space is extra good. Given CCP's faster release cycle, if things suck, they can be adjusted, but you are just speculating, and doing a bad job of it, IMHO. I usualy say "we" about stuff that have already been highly debated on the w-space forums or at former townhalls.. As a former CSM i hope you followed that part.. When the large groups decides to stop evicting pvp groups, it should be a clear that they feel there isn't enough targets.. Maybe you missed that as CSM? It was a pretty hot topic when you were CSM and still is? For the Frig holes.. The many many many pages on the w-space forums should say it all tbh. I think I can say "we" when both the forums and the townhall we had with fozzie shows it very clearly.. If I have said "We" about something that isn't clearly shown trough townhalls and/or forums, I apologize.. However, you claimning that "We" don't agree that frigat holes were bad, that jump mechanics weren't bad, that population density isn't an issue is a rather big issue imo and should show how little that signature is worth. Just sayin m8 ;) So okay.. You like the frig holes.. Why didn't you voice that on the townhall where we discussed it with Fozzie? You are doing exactly what you are accusing me for m8... I agree that adding systems that are harder to live in, have more null connections, got ice etc. is nice.. But the way it's done is counterproductive to the concerns I have seen the W-space community raise ever since before you were CSM(and Im actualy quite chocked if you havn't noticed that we feel space is too empty.. It was after all your "job" to notice...) CCP could have implemented these good initiatives in so many other ways without adding all the "bad stuff". Doing it this way just shows that they either have something planned for the future and feel that we can suffer untill they reveal what it is.. or they need a sanity check. As for the new release cycle.. How long of a warning have we had on changes that were fundamental for the w-space community? Was it.. 2 weeks last time? Sounds like a lot of time to gather feedback.. Sure, I admit I am sceptical.. I am sceptical because of this short feedback time and because Fozzie have already outed himself as a liar on the w-space forums.. Simple as that.. Edit: Just reread my post.. The only place I spoke "on behalf of the community" by using the word "we" was about frigat holes.. And honestly.. If you think I'm wrong about that, I dare you to listen to the townhalls and read the threadnaught about it..
Lyron-Baktos Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 466	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:07:16 - [172] - Quote Two step wrote: For example, you "hate" the frig holes, but they played a small part in being able to get reinforcements into our home system during the recent invasion. They certainly can be a pain from time to time, but they do add an interesting new mechanic to w-space, one that is hard for existing groups to control and even understand.. yes, it helped you but why push content out that most people do not want and where it was only useful like one time. Just about every WH player and group ignores them Where are all the youtube videos of frigate fights in frigate holes? Where are all the frigate battles in KM reports? I don't see any. How the fuck do you remove a signature?
Kousaka Otsu Shigure 10	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:09:46 - [173] - Quote The million dollar question for me is: Are these new areas being introduced now in preparation for Valkyrie/project Legion? Archiver, Software Developer and Data Slave Current Project Status: Corp History Catalog
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 516	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:14:08 - [174] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: So.. You already know SSC isn't perma blue to any other large w-space entities.. if you spend just a few minuts checking stats you would know that our normal fleets range from 5-30 pilots depending on the time of the day.. But sure, you can base your opinion on fleets that happends less than 1 time pr. month. Just know that you are also only right 1 time/month.. and from the other several hundred times.. I would call that pretty bad stats, even for you.. These new wormholes won't add any new connections to our home system from what I read in the blog. Did you see anywhere that these new systems have more than 1 W-space statics for C5 space? Actualy, having more single w-space static systems makes the chances of rolling into us smaller.. Im sure the goons statistic squad can help you out on that one. About ice mining, please read where I wrote that I liked it because solo-players who couldn't run other stuff had something to do.. And then read it again, just to make sure you actualy also understood it. lmbo at this nerd trying to justify bluing anyone while simultaneously saying "there is no content" if you want fights, instead of working with folks, knock down their shit, slap them in the face, and say bad things about their mothers i am not talking about statics you goofus, i am talking about wandering wormholes, y'know, the ones that threaten your home security while you choke down anom after anom after anom and wow look at that 180 on ice, first it's worthless and unnecessary and now you like it but i guess it isn't as convenient as having it available in your home systems and so it would be effort weffort for your ickle piwots ccp's been on record that they hadn't designed wormholes to be habitable in a permanent fashion, while they definitely aren't going to crack down on it, don't expect a whole lot of allowances to the contrary like allowing ice belts to spawn in non-shattered w-space Steven Hackett wrote: I don't remember mentioning anything about having a systemworth of pve sites? I assume you are talking about the "benefits of w-space without risking to loos your stuff part" - In that case, you are more of a carebear than I thought.. I was talking about the powerprojection you get from rolling K-space wormholes. Please don't assume I'm like you.. thanks.. For clone costs.. I never told you you should suffer because I do.. Im saying that gameplay surrounding frigats, in an enviroment where people can't change clones, seems rather dumb when you with the other hand is making changes to clones to make more veterans to fly said ships... If you already know that clonecosts makes people stay away from frigats, then why use so many resources on adding frigat gameplay that people aren't gonna use because they don't have the benefit of cheap clones. the "systemworth" quip was in reference to: "- Puts sleeper sites in K-space and in Thera, a system so irellevant to w-space way of life that it might as well be a normal nullsec." the point of this quip is to illustrate how hilarious it is that you are complaining of the staggering magnitude of sites a single wormhole creates diluting your precious nanoribbons and yeah, actually, the whole bit about clones is 100% "i suffer, so should you", if slaves are too expensive to lose then don't plug them in Steven Hackett wrote: Adding systems decrease density.. If there is 200 empty systems, adding another 12 doesn't allow for more people to come and play. if they wanted to play they would have used one of the 200 empty systems(some of them with perfect PI etc.) that is already in place and not bother with a less-secure wormhole. That argument is just fundamentaly flawed, sorry.. Adding more space decreases density unless you add more people.. actualy.. Just ask that goonswarm statistic group about that one as well ;) Your next part just doesn't make any sense.. Sorry.. You should prob. check the wormhole fundamentals videos linked in the devblog and check the wiki before commenting on WH-rolling and site sawn mechanics.. Also.. it's my observation that the large groups doesn't roll their WHs nearly as often as they used to, cause there are no targets to be caught by doing that anymore.. it decreases density if no one comes to use the sites but adding more systems adds more pve sites, which increases the amount of food to be consumed the hope is that the additions will bring more food than chain-collapsing existing wormholers can consume but i suppose this may be a naive thought after all, people who live in wormholes say they are hardcore pvpers but in reality, you're all anom-munching, risk adverse cowards whose needs to make money far outweigh any real pvp activity there's a lot alike about we and you all, really, if you scratch the surface a little also lawl do i detect a hint of bitterness about having your ez-mode api-based stalking system yanked away Steven Hackett wrote: Basically, your entire set of opinions about my post are objective cancerous and hopefully the rest of the people in this thread will be able to back their claims up with atleast some shred of evidence or at least circumstancial evidence and not just pull words and flawed arguments out of their ass.. Thank you for playing.. Now go back to your afk ishtar and enjoy your game. lmbo trying the ol' "reflect what the poster said about you back at them" only works if you actually have a grasp on the english language like seriously "objective cancerous" you could have copied and pasted what i said but you managed to stumble over retyping it
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 24617	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:20:30 - [175] - Quote I like the no caps thing. any chance deep space probes will return, or combats and core probes having their range increased? President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Steven Hackett Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 99	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:24:29 - [176] - Quote Promiscuous Female Honestly.. Just stop talking about w-space before you have tried it.. Just about everything you are writing is in direct conflict with what I see on a daily basis and you talk about my corp as if we were a part of your own alliance... Im not trying to ignore your arguments here, I just simply can't take you seriously.. Sorry, You'll need to find someone else to feed you..
Sgt Soulless Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:27:48 - [177] - Quote I generally like these changes, except for the following... Quote: They will contain a new celestial debris field asteroid belt anomaly that will be larger and richer than most belts. They will contain minable ice fields. This will be the first ice available in wormhole space. These are totally pointless. Unless you're making new ice and ore types that only occur in these belts, nobody will be mining these sites. Lets look at the pros and cons of mining here... Pros Pretending you're living on the edge while you play a video game. It'll feel novel for about an hour. Cons No more isk/hour than nullsec mining. It doesn't matter how big the belt is, your ship still mines the same. More risk than nullsec mining because you can't see a local spike, but you can still get insta-tackled with bubbles. Giant systems make d-scan useless as a warning system. Not requiring the site to be scanned down makes d-scan useless as a warning system. No place to unload ore. All the logistics of mining become much more difficult, time consuming, and riskier (read: less profitable). The whole thing is more risk and less reward than the same activity in nullsec. If I want to nomad mine, why would I do it in these systems? I can do the same thing in nullsec (and I'm way more likely to have a nullsec connection), but have the option to set up a POS as a temporary base and the comfort of local chat showing me every threat in the system. These sites are a complete waste of server memory. And I like the idea of Thera, but if CCP wants it to be busy it's not going to happen as a 0.0 system. It's just going to be filled with small gang pvp campers sitting on every station and wormhole, using interdictors and T3s to get easy kills. It'll probably have a high-sec exit near a hub pretty frequently if it's so connected to k-space, and it won't be worth the risk of moving in any significant quantity of items to sell. CCP has basically crossed Mos Eisley with Brigadoon, and expects it to be a bustling metropolis. Yeah, that'll happen. Of course, given the vast emptiness of nullsec, it might still be the most populous 0.0 system. Now if Thera was a 0.5 system, that would be a different story. Then it's a floating high-sec island that could be a viable market hub for all of nullsec and might actually have a significant impact on the game. As it's described, it sounds more like a PvP arena that's hard to get to.
M1k3y Koontz thorn project Surely You're Joking 612	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:30:43 - [178] - Quote Thera sounds cool, though I reserve my ultimate judgement until a month in when trends stabilize. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 518	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:38:23 - [179] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: Promiscuous Female Honestly.. Just stop talking about w-space before you have tried it.. Just about everything you are writing is in direct conflict with what I see on a daily basis and you talk about my corp as if we were a part of your own alliance... Im not trying to ignore your arguments here, I just simply can't take you seriously.. Sorry, You'll need to find someone else to feed you.. i'm sorry my truth bombs hit too close to home have fun running anoms
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group 381	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:45:43 - [180] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: you're... complaining about new wormhole content idgi they are even adding ice belts for y'all to get connected to your homes, how could you not be over the moon about these changes So here is the thing.. More systems = more empty space unless they also add a few thousand players to live in w-space.. The ice is irrelevant since it's still more convenient and more time effective to ship it in from highsec. (Why save pennies/hour mining ice, when you can make millions/hour and buy the ice) All this change does is to add more wasteland and more irrelevant mechanics to w-space, like frig holes.. CCP is changing clone-costs because it's too expensive to fly cheap ships in expensive clones? Well, what makes them think I wan't to fly a frigat in my slave clone then? I can't change my clone in w-space.. If 20-30 mill is the breakingpoint for Nullsec, then it's a safe bet we don't want to risk billions in clones. So what does this expansion actually add to w-space? - More signatures and irrelevant wormholes to scan and scout - Less population density - Ice, which is worthless compared to other pve activities - Puts sleeper sites in K-space and in Thera, a system so irellevant to w-space way of life that it might as well be a normal nullsec. - Makes a "midpoint" between NS and W-space where people can get the bonus of living in w-space without the added risk of loosing all your stuff.. Honestly, I don't see how any w-space pilot can be happy about this? Maybe except for the very low-class wormholes where icemining might actualy be good isk? Adding new space to EVE isn't a small thing, and Fozzie and co. choose to make the space as irellevant as humanly possible, just like most of their former w-space changes? Note. There is some stuff I like.. I do actualy like that they are adding ice, if nothing else, then it's an option for the solo player who can't do anything else.. I also don't mind the idea of making moon-less systems.. But the way they are doing it is counterproductive.. Add the ice as a roaming anomaly. Remove the moons from unocopied systems instead og feeding the biggest issue in w-space, player density. Fozzie and co. had some good ideas (some even taken from the w-space feedback threads), but their implementation and design around it is, as with most other changes they have made, terrible and shows that while they might listen and read, they don't understand or have the insight needed. If anyone think it's a good idea to add more(irellevant) space to w-space, where empty systems is the biggest issue, they rly need a sanity check.. Actualy, I think sanity check is what CCP is missing with this new release cycle.. They added the frig WH-connectors last patch and we hated them. Now they are making the systems after the community told them the cpnnectors were useless without the actual systems.. Feedback that they got before they launched the patch in the first place.. (Note: I still havn't seen them remove the useless WH-connectors yet.) CCP and especialy Fozzie needs to slow down and get a sanity check. Gather feedback and don't release half-assed "features" because they thought it would be cool to "see what the players are doing"... There is a different word for that type of gamedesign, but saying it is prob. against the rules ;) They need to add bloody anchorable clone vats to the game already. Having the option to not only respawn but jump clone between different holes would be an absolute game changer for w-space, and be a good start towards recognizing that yes, people DO live there permanently so new content should be introduced around that idea. The ice is good, the new content is better since it shows they're willing to take risks with new features, but most importantly these new shattered wormholes I think will be a good offset if they're planning on adding something as important as an anchorable medical facility. TBH short of that I'd be happy with a method of hacking abandoned towers, although we all know that will probably never happen.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 518	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:46:00 - [181] - Quote and not getting kills when you literally blue people to make farming safer
Winter Archipelago Thera Industries 284	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:53:28 - [182] - Quote Sgt Soulless wrote: Giant systems make d-scan useless as a warning system. Not requiring the site to be scanned down makes d-scan useless as a warning system. It actually makes it easier. Keep scanning at max range, and if anything pops up, there's a very, very high chance they're after you. Warp out and safe up until the threat passes. If they're using cloakies, that's when you put the Venture to use. If you lose a Venture, it's replaced 10x with a single load of ore. Sgt Soulless wrote: No place to unload ore. All the logistics of mining become much more difficult, time consuming, and riskier (read: less profitable). I think, and hope, that Thera will basically become its own little ecosystem. Due to a significantly-greater difficult with logistics, industry will (I hope) be much more common inside. Miners can sell to industrialists inside the hole, who sell in turn to the PvP'ers. That's my personal hope, at least. Sgt Soulless wrote: The whole thing is more risk and less reward than the same activity in nullsec. If I want to nomad mine, why would I do it in these systems? I can do the same thing in nullsec (and I'm way more likely to have a nullsec connection), but have the option to set up a POS as a temporary base and the comfort of local chat showing me every threat in the system. These sites are a complete waste of server memory. Not everyone plays for chance of pure ISK profit. For some, it's the thrill of the chase and evading the predators. Others, it's hunting this exact type. Some people actually enjoy a solid challenge, as opposed to having the near-perfect security vigilance and a good intel channel provide. Sgt Soulless wrote: And I like the idea of Thera, but if CCP wants it to be busy it's not going to happen as a 0.0 system. It's just going to be filled with small gang pvp campers sitting on every station and wormhole, using interdictors and T3s to get easy kills. It'll probably have a high-sec exit near a hub pretty frequently if it's so connected to k-space, and it won't be worth the risk of moving in any significant quantity of items to sell. CCP has basically crossed Mos Eisley with Brigadoon, and expects it to be a bustling metropolis. Yeah, that'll happen. Of course, given the vast emptiness of nullsec, it might still be the most populous 0.0 system. Thera isn't nulsec, it's a wormhole. From my first looks at it, it looks like it could easily support its own little ecosystem. Regarding the issue with T3's, I'm hoping that will be addressed during the T3 rebalance. We'll see what happens then, I suppose, but I'm looking forward to Thera in the interim. Sgt Soulless wrote: Now if Thera was a 0.5 system, that would be a different story. Then it's a floating high-sec island that could be a viable market hub for all of nullsec and might actually have a significant impact on the game. As it's described, it sounds more like a PvP arena that's hard to get to. If Thera were a 0.5, it would be Hek. We already have Hek. And it's really rather quite uninteresting. No, thank you. Join the channel *Thera Industries* in-game for a general public channel for Thera-based industrialists.
GizzyBoy Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 100	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:12:01 - [183] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: Two step wrote: For example, you "hate" the frig holes, but they played a small part in being able to get reinforcements into our home system during the recent invasion. They certainly can be a pain from time to time, but they do add an interesting new mechanic to w-space, one that is hard for existing groups to control and even understand.. yes, it helped you but why push content out that most people do not want and where it was only useful like one time. Just about every WH player and group ignores them Where are all the youtube videos of frigate fights in frigate holes? Where are all the frigate battles in KM reports? I don't see any. your not allowed to post km's here, but all the exit strategy people plus other friends came in the frigate hole. a month prior to this whilst battling some one in our static (tlc i think) I and 4 other people engaged a disavowed gang comprised of pizza? and neg density on/around the frig hole with frig logistics on both sides, in a wolf rayet. Small weapon damage was glorious. I know of other groups (Isogen5) who killed some marauders with a frig hole. I guess however you hate said feature so much you will never jump through it, and thus miss out on the above content.
TheSmokingHertog TALIBAN EXPRESS 258	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:43:32 - [184] - Quote Can you make Courier Contracts to the Thera stations?
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 427	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:50:14 - [185] - Quote Saisin wrote: Mizhir wrote: This is looking good. I like the concept of the shattered systems for attracting preys and predators. Though I have one major issue with the small ship ones. If you give them the normal C6 WR bonus you will just exclude shield ships. Make it a special WH effect instead (which could also be integrated in the lore and why they only allow small ships). Agreed, please keep shield fitted ships in mind... What the ubiquitous Tengu can't reign here also? This is not acceptable dammit. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
Winter Archipelago Thera Industries 285	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:40:23 - [186] - Quote TheSmokingHertog wrote: Can you make Courier Contracts to the Thera stations? Yes: http://puu.sh/cPTop/cbc6f72ead.jpg Join the channel *Thera Industries* in-game for a general public channel for Thera-based industrialists.
Two step Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 4813	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:08:56 - [187] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: I wrote a long post questioning your abilities to read the threadnaughts, listen to the townhalls and gather opinions and I commented your job as a CSM. I edited the post because this isn't the place for it.. All I needed to say is that I think some of the additions are good, but the implementation is terrible. The only place I wrote "We" as in "the communitys opinion" was about frig holes, and that opinion was made very clear in threadnaughts and in debates @ townhalls. I apologize if you feel that "we" meant "Two Step"... Oh god, please put back your opinions about how I don't understand threadnaughts CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
afkboss Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:33:29 - [188] - Quote I was hoping for some systems that could only be found by WH that acted like regular systems. There could be a couple between Stain and Tash-Murkon that could be very strategically important for Cynos.
Cardano Firesnake Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation 169	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:25:53 - [189] - Quote It is a world where a probe launcher is not an option. But all ships are not able to fit probe launchers, and there is no ship with a bonus to fit them... To me the two most important things to do to make this new gameplay useful is to reduce the CPU fitting on probe launchers and to make 6 buttons or shortcuts that recalibrate views in probe scanner to easily place your probes... Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [4] Erase learning skills, remap all SP. That's all.
Steven Hackett Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 99	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:32:39 - [190] - Quote Two step wrote: Oh god, please put back your opinions about how I don't understand threadnaughts Since you ignored the message I sent you... Steven Hackett wrote: The only place I wrote "We" as in "the communitys opinion" was about frig holes, and that opinion was made very clear in threadnaughts and in debates @ townhalls. I apologize if you feel that "we" meant "Two Step"... Should say it all.. I never questioned your ability to understand the meaning of a threadnaught, but if you can't read and gather info from them, then the threadnaught it self is rather useless. Oh.. and congratz on all the good stuff that came as a result of your threadnaught. In any case, if you choose to ignore the many posts because they don't fall in line with your opinion, then I rest my case..
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 184	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:33:18 - [191] - Quote Querns wrote: Saisin wrote: Red Teufel wrote: Thera Why allow dictor and hic bubbles and only have 4 stations. Its just a station campers dream and a place for coalitions to go on vacation to. just seem very underwhelming to me and definitely not a Jita of WH space. please add more stations and bar hic and dic bubbles. I kind of agree with that too... 4 stations may be too low for the traffic this system will likely see, and having them perma-camped will be counter productive to what it can become... I am gonna go out on a limb and guess that players are responsible for clearing camps, not CCP. Given that this is a wormhole system with few local resources, destroying enemy forces puts a real hamper on their ability to reship due to the vagaries of how things get in and out of the system. This is a 0.0 system, not highsec -¡-- play appropriately. I am not too surprised that this response comes from a goon... As a member of one of the largest coalition, it make sense you prefer having four station. You do know full well you will have the resources to keep 4 stations perma-camped, and unlike regular WH you can simply reship immediately. I do not believe one instant that goons will be affected by abailities to reship even in Thera, like smaller groups will.. As for your suggestion of having players clearing camps, I fully agree, but if you force the mega groups to spread their resources thinner across a larger number of stations then other smaller player groups really have a chance to break such a camp... with only four stations, it will be simply a fight between the largest groups around the 4 stations... "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope...
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 106	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:38:46 - [192] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: It is a world where a probe launcher is not an option. But all ships are not able to fit probe launchers, and there is no ship with a bonus to fit them... To me the two most important things to do to make this new gameplay useful is to reduce the CPU fitting on probe launchers and to make 6 buttons or shortcuts that recalibrate views in probe scanner to easily place your probes... pretty easy to fit. powergrid usage 1 MW CPU usageCPU usage 15 tf if you wanna combat scan get a real ship for it.
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 518	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:47:26 - [193] - Quote Saisin wrote: Querns wrote: I am gonna go out on a limb and guess that players are responsible for clearing camps, not CCP. Given that this is a wormhole system with few local resources, destroying enemy forces puts a real hamper on their ability to reship due to the vagaries of how things get in and out of the system. This is a 0.0 system, not highsec -¡-- play appropriately. I am not too surprised that this response comes from a goon... As a member of one of the largest coalition, it make sense you prefer having four station. You do know full well you will have the resources to keep 4 stations perma-camped, and unlike regular WH you can simply reship immediately. I do not believe one instant that goons will be affected by abailities to reship even in Thera, like smaller groups will.. As for your suggestion of having players clearing camps, I fully agree, but if you force the mega groups to spread their resources thinner across a larger number of stations then other smaller player groups really have a chance to break such a camp... with only four stations, it will be simply a fight between the largest groups around the 4 stations... mmmm i love it another episode of "the most ingratiating position of surrender possible" starring Saisin, npc corp nobody with big opinions on eve i love that in your perception of eve, we are completely unbreakable, everywhere, and that the concept of trying to fight us is not even broached your reality is way better than the crappy one i gotta live in GÇö how do i swap it out for yours
Emiko Rowna Aliastra Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.11.14 05:29:02 - [194] - Quote CCP Fozzie, what do you see as the downside of having more than 4 stations in Thera? The system does seem large enough to support more stations. Would ORE have any interest in Thera?
Emiko Rowna Aliastra Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.11.14 06:17:37 - [195] - Quote A new playground for Red vs. Blue?
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 232	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:06:07 - [196] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: The only place I wrote "We" as in "the communitys opinion" was about frig holes, and that opinion was made very clear in threadnaughts and in debates @ townhalls. I apologize if you feel that "we" meant "Two Step"... No, you are simply wrong. Just because you are a risk averse scrub doesn't mean rest of the w-space is. You're really only saying that you never take any fights that you could lose, and that you are afraid of frigates because they require actual players skills and not simply 6 Guardians to keep you alive. Your opinion does not reflect the opinion of the wh community. Not about frigate holes or anything else.
Rek Seven Probe Patrol 1960	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:11:43 - [197] - Quote Allowing jump cloning into Thera is a really bad idea IMO. EVERYONE will have a jump clone in there and anytime anything interesting happens, thousands of people will clone jump in and the place will be plagued with tidi... I struggle to see how allowing people to jump into this systems is a good thing and i think it just makes the whole thing seem less special/interesting. If more of these station wormholes get added then allowing jump clones between them would be cool but not k-space to Thera. +1
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3477	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:35:46 - [198] - Quote Removed some off topic posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Fred Kyong EWH NanoTex 8	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:57:29 - [199] - Quote As told: - Ice Belts in WH. Yes - No Moons. If ice belts present, ok with me - Stations in WH. No. Hostile Fleets login/ logoff there- better move to NPC 0 sec No need for me or my corp as I can see.
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 919	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:12:21 - [200] - Quote Chirality Tisteloin wrote: Gogela wrote: KatanTharkay wrote: Advertised as the largest system ever, I was hoping that this would be the first multiple star system in EVE . Well, maybe some other time. A binary? That IS a really cool idea! A neutron star feeding on a red giant complete with accretion disc would also fit the destructive mood :) Like so: http://cseligman.com/text/stars/binary.htm I guess next time ... Stop making me drool.
Dalron Infinite Holdings Ltd 10	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:12:59 - [201] - Quote I dont think you can have everything you want in a single system without some big changes to this. Currently its PVP heaven, only 4 stations, limited undocks and bubbes allowed. It's not going to become a major trade hub/place to visit because you can only find it if you find it by chance. And then when your trying to get into it your 90% likely to get ganked by people swarming round any hisec entrances. Soon as you undock your most likely to get killed with all the new shiny stuff you bought. As it stands your likely to have 1-4 power blocs controlling the stations building the stuff they want and staging out to run pvp to any exits that exit. (Maybe thats what you want). No major manufacturers will be moving stuff in because the market is limited. Everything will stay in Jita as it always has. Idea : A central hub Station in Thera (Called HUB), remove Jita 4/4 and replace it with a stargate that links directly to inside the hub. From the hub you can be instantly transported including ships to any of the other 4 stations in Thera and launch out to explore W-Space. (oh and remove bubbles in a 100km radius around the stations so you can at least undock.. there would still be lots of ganking). This makes it a borderland town. Safe to go into but cross out into the lawless space of wormholes and your on your own. 1). This gives people a way in that's central and SAFE, builders and manufacturers can get their stuff in to sell and will effectively move Jita into Thera. 2). Gives people a way to explore out to the W-space area from this staging base. 3). Gives people a way to find Thera easily but also they can still stumble across it. People could find new trade routes taking stuff in through wormholes from null and out through the hub.
Fred Kyong EWH NanoTex 8	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:22:00 - [202] - Quote Dalron wrote: I dont think you can have everything you want in a single system without some big changes to this. Currently its PVP heaven, only 4 stations, limited undocks and bubbes allowed. It's not going to become a major trade hub/place to visit because you can only find it if you find it by chance. And then when your trying to get into it your 90% likely to get ganked by people swarming round any hisec entrances. Soon as you undock your most likely to get killed with all the new shiny stuff you bought. As it stands your likely to have 1-4 power blocs controlling the stations building the stuff they want and staging out to run pvp to any exits that exit. (Maybe thats what you want). No major manufacturers will be moving stuff in because the market is limited. Everything will stay in Jita as it always has. Idea : A central hub Station in Thera (Called HUB), remove Jita 4/4 and replace it with a stargate that links directly to inside the hub. From the hub you can be instantly transported including ships to any of the other 4 stations in Thera and launch out to explore W-Space. (oh and remove bubbles in a 100km radius around the stations so you can at least undock.. there would still be lots of ganking). This makes it a borderland town. Safe to go into but cross out into the lawless space of wormholes and your on your own. 1). This gives people a way in that's central and SAFE, builders and manufacturers can get their stuff in to sell and will effectively move Jita into Thera. 2). Gives people a way to explore out to the W-space area from this staging base. 3). Gives people a way to find Thera easily but also they can still stumble across it. People could find new trade routes taking stuff in through wormholes from null and out through the hub. 4). Anyone wanting to go out through the multitudes of wormholes into exiting space is still available to be shot down. Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera
Dalron Infinite Holdings Ltd 10	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:28:17 - [203] - Quote HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad.
Fred Kyong EWH NanoTex 8	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:41:03 - [204] - Quote Dalron wrote: HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad. yep
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 691	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:57:02 - [205] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Dalron wrote: HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad. yep Nonsense, they are significantly less bad. You'd need an army of active players to lock down anything because the bubbles are only there as long as a player is there. And they'd be vulnerable; a lone DIC or even HIC can easily be killed while his friends are still warping the 200 AU to get to him. .
Dalron Infinite Holdings Ltd 10	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:09:31 - [206] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: Fred Kyong wrote: Dalron wrote: HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad. yep Nonsense, they are significantly less bad. You'd need an army of active players to lock down anything because the bubbles are only there as long as a player is there. And they'd be vulnerable; a lone DIC or even HIC can easily be killed while his friends are still warping the 200 AU to get to him. For a PVP encounter yes if your in a PVP ship. But as CCP puts it : industrialists serving the local market, explorers intent on puzzling out the secrets of the systemGÇÖs history, adventurers looking to make a quick buck under their hunterGÇÖs noses Then those guys are out of luck when they undock into a dictor bubble.
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 691	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:24:36 - [207] - Quote They can safely re-dock and try again later. It is a nullsec system, you are not supposed to be able to undock in peace at any time without having combat backup in a nullsec system. If you want a hisec hub, just stay in Jita or Amarr. .
Damjan Fox Fox Industries and Exploration 60	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:25:17 - [208] - Quote Quote: HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad. Please excuse my ignorance, but do HIC bubbles have the same drag/stop mechanic as Mobile Warp Disruptors? Undocking from station in Thera in something bigger than a frigate (with very short align time), will probably get you killed, unless you have an insta-undock. And if there a some HICs in line of the insta-undock, that will drag you out of warp... well, you are pretty much screwed, i guess...
Dalron Infinite Holdings Ltd 10	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:34:55 - [209] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: They can safely re-dock and try again later. It is a nullsec system, you are not supposed to be able to undock in peace at any time without having combat backup in a nullsec system. If you want a hisec hub, just stay in Jita or Amarr. But CCP want to make this 'the place to be' fun and exciting. If you want a crummy system playing undock games just trying to get out to do stuff you can already go to NPC Nullsec. If it becomes the place you cant undock because it's always camped then people just wont go.
Wander Prian Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 43	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:35:42 - [210] - Quote Damjan Fox wrote: Quote: HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad. Please excuse my ignorance, but do HIC bubbles have the same drag/stop mechanic as Mobile Warp Disruptors? Undocking from station in Thera in something bigger than a frigate (with very short align time), will probably get you killed, unless you have an insta-undock. And if there a some HICs in line of the insta-undock, that will drag you out of warp... well, you are pretty much screwed, i guess... Yes, the HIC and DIC bubbles will have the drag/catch -mechanic too
Luscius Uta 114	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:49:00 - [211] - Quote Quote: They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden. In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately. Highsec sucks.
X4me1eoH Battletech Technology 155	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:49:24 - [212] - Quote thera is nice, but too few stations, need at least 20 or more, and i think the system must be greater than this, at least 500-1000au radius
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 691	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:08:45 - [213] - Quote Dalron wrote: Terrorfrodo wrote: They can safely re-dock and try again later. It is a nullsec system, you are not supposed to be able to undock in peace at any time without having combat backup in a nullsec system. If you want a hisec hub, just stay in Jita or Amarr. But CCP want to make this 'the place to be' fun and exciting. If you want a crummy system playing undock games just trying to get out to do stuff you can already go to NPC Nullsec. If it becomes the place you cant undock because it's always camped then people just wont go. Thera to me sounds like more or less npc nullsec without local and cynos. What's wrong with that? It might even be an experiment to see how normal nullsec would work without local. I don't believe station camping will be a big thing, because a camper without local cannot know what will jump on him once he triggers his weapons timer. Camping will be much more risky than being camped, because the camper cannot dock. The bigger problem I see is that any serious engagement anywhere in Thera might just escalate into a game of luck because nobody knows how many other parties will join and crash the party. .
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 232	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:20:10 - [214] - Quote Luscius Uta wrote: Quote: They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden. In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately. Kicked in the nuts? - radically buffed income - bookmarks in space - compass - easier bm copying and management - persistent signatures - more connections - T3 subs swappable in POS - null data/relic sites I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it.
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 173	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:43:50 - [215] - Quote Even if Thera will be camped to hell and back and the only reason to go there will be to die in a fire, it's still new content, so it's better than nothing.
Ransu Asanari Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Unthinkables 176	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:19:27 - [216] - Quote One concern: The Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems - If these contain mineable ice fields, but there are no moons, then there is no way to anchor a POS to use a Compression Array. This means the only way to compress would be to bring in a Rorqual, which would have to activate the Industrial Core for 5 minutes in order to compress, without any kind of protection. The risk/reward here seems very off, and having to move uncompressed ice through a wormhole would chew up the mass much too quickly. The Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems - if they have all of the features of the Standard Shattered wormholes, but restricted connections to Frigates/Destroyers (I assume by mass) then how would a Mining Barge or Exhumer get inside to mine ice and bring it out? You can't mine ice with a Venture or Prospect. (Others have commented on this already) Quote: They will contain a new celestial debris field asteroid belt anomaly that will be larger and richer than most belts. Please let this be ring mining for moon minerals. Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008"
Captain Africa GRIM MARCH Grim Enterprises 112	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:26:24 - [217] - Quote Ghelisis Achasse wrote: I think I know where they are going with this, storylinewise. Lets look at this. "The Sanctuary" is the "center of the science research the Sisters are undertaking on the EVE gate." In the storyline, the Sisters have been studying the Gate in the New Eden system for a while now. So, what is Thera? Thera is HUGE storylinewise, because it is simply THE SYSTEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EVE GATE, and the Shattered systems are systems that are close to Thera physically, showcasing the extreme power of the Eve Gate megahole explosion. The Sisters found Thera accidentally on one of their trips through a random wormhole, and built stations there to study the anomaly from the OTHER side. This will be HUGE, and if it is true, more fuel to the fire that W-space is ACTUALLY the Milky Way galaxy post Eve Gate explosion. amirite Devs? :D This has been coming for a long time , I would like to think that this thread was the seeds of Thera back in 2011 ..i give you https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29191
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 691	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:46:11 - [218] - Quote On the one hand the whole Thera thing sounds very intriguing to me. On the other hand I cannot really think of many reasons to be there except hope for fights/kills. And if everyone is just there for the fights and kills, there will not be many of them. It'll be like a thousand bored lions and no antelopes. Thera seems to lack proper conflict drivers. Doing anoms? Suicide in such a system, and can be done much better in one of the normal wspace systems. Mining? Not gonna happen. POS? Not there. PI/POCOs? Not there. Now bashing POSes or POCOs is not exactly great content, but nothing doesn't seem to be a great replacement for it. .
Snape Dieboldmotor Minotaur Congress 36	Posted - 2014.11.14 13:32:42 - [219] - Quote Only 342AU? Bigger!
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 519	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:04:14 - [220] - Quote itt people unironically asking for wormholes to be highsec
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 106	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:20:26 - [221] - Quote Ransu Asanari wrote: One concern: The Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems - If these contain mineable ice fields, but there are no moons, then there is no way to anchor a POS to use a Compression Array. This means the only way to compress would be to bring in a Rorqual, which would have to activate the Industrial Core for 5 minutes in order to compress, without any kind of protection. The risk/reward here seems very off, and having to move uncompressed ice through a wormhole would chew up the mass much too quickly. The Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems - if they have all of the features of the Standard Shattered wormholes, but restricted connections to Frigates/Destroyers (I assume by mass) then how would a Mining Barge or Exhumer get inside to mine ice and bring it out? You can't mine ice with a Venture or Prospect. (Others have commented on this already) Quote: They will contain a new celestial debris field asteroid belt anomaly that will be larger and richer than most belts. Please let this be ring mining for moon minerals. or jump back to your hole everytime your ore bay is full.
Luscius Uta 114	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:23:25 - [222] - Quote King Fu Hostile wrote: Kicked in the nuts? - radically buffed income - bookmarks in space - compass - easier bm copying and management - persistent signatures - more connections - T3 subs swappable in POS - null data/relic sites I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it. Most of the stuff you mentioned are general quality of life improvements that were not aimed at wormholes in particular. Meanwhile you conveniently forgot to mention things such as: -ore sites being findable with onboard scanner -mass-based spawned distances -buff to sleeper RR Of course, I also almost conveniently ignored the recent price increase for blue loot, because even CCP Fozzie sometimes realize s that he made mistakes and has to fix them. Highsec sucks.
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 566	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:30:22 - [223] - Quote Jade Blackwind wrote: Even if Thera will be camped to hell and back and the only reason to go there will be to die in a fire, it's still new content, so it's better than nothing. And here I thought CCP wanted Eve to be player generated content, not content they have to create for the players...
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 504	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:36:37 - [224] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: On the one hand the whole Thera thing sounds very intriguing to me. On the other hand I cannot really think of many reasons to be there except hope for fights/kills. And if everyone is just there for the fights and kills, there will not be many of them. It'll be like a thousand bored lions and no antelopes. Thera seems to lack proper conflict drivers. Doing anoms? Suicide in such a system, and can be done much better in one of the normal wspace systems. Mining? Not gonna happen. POS? Not there. PI/POCOs? Not there. Now bashing POSes or POCOs is not exactly great content, but nothing doesn't seem to be a great replacement for it. This will have a fair few sites in there and is a challenge for people to try control it, and as it has no Sov mechanics you control it by force of sub cap arms, now of course some players may just want to destroy stuff that cannot fight back, but I cannot believe that the majority of Eve players want to shoot things that cannot fight back? The key thing is that if people can carve out a bit of space in that system and call it their own it will put their name on the map, and give them bragging rights. In fact looking at it, its just one massive arena for groups to come in and brawl just because they can and its completely random in terms of what outside groups have access to it at any one point in time, so being based in there will give you lots of different people to shoot. This is a reather wonderful looking test bed, I wonder how many Eve players are up to testing themselves in it? Hmmmm does a ESS work in there, now that would be a contract driver and a half! Ella's Snack bar
Meditril T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 373	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:54:52 - [225] - Quote Almost died from an orgasmic shock while reading about Thera... sounds great!!!
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 177	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:00:26 - [226] - Quote Guttripper wrote: Jade Blackwind wrote: Even if Thera will be camped to hell and back and the only reason to go there will be to die in a fire, it's still new content, so it's better than nothing. And here I thought CCP wanted Eve to be player generated content, not content they have to create for the players... I have no doubt that there'll be a ton of player content generated in Thera. Mostly in form of killmails.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9009	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:15:28 - [227] - Quote King Fu Hostile wrote: Luscius Uta wrote: Quote: They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden. In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately. Kicked in the nuts? - radically buffed income - bookmarks in space - compass - easier bm copying and management - persistent signatures - more connections - T3 subs swappable in POS - null data/relic sites I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it. It's just how some people are wired. Just like my ex, I swear if you gave her 1 million dollars she'd be mad that it wasn't 1 million dollars and 10 cents.
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 238	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:22:01 - [228] - Quote Luscius Uta wrote: Most of the stuff you mentioned are general quality of life improvements that were not aimed at wormholes in particular. Meanwhile you conveniently forgot to mention things such as: -ore sites being findable with onboard scanner -mass-based spawned distances -buff to sleeper RR Of course, I also almost conveniently ignored the recent price increase for blue loot, because even CCP Fozzie sometimes realize s that he made mistakes and has to fix them. Because they have made our lives much more comfortable. On the other hand, none of those you list are issues. I still mine in our wormhole. Mass spawn distance affected **** all nothing. Sleeper RR wasn't buffed, it was fixed and now works like it used to. Even C4 sites are still soloable for absurd isk/hr.
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 106	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:23:24 - [229] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Hmmmm does a ESS work in there, now that would be a conflict driver and a half! no bounties on the rats anyway so an ess wouldnt really do anything.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 504	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:03:20 - [230] - Quote Lady Rift wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Hmmmm does a ESS work in there, now that would be a conflict driver and a half! no bounties on the rats anyway so an ess wouldnt really do anything. Facepalm, oooops I forgot that, pity unless they come up with a sort of ESS to improve drops and actually apply a bounty via LP's for sleepers that only work in that system... Ella's Snack bar
DaReaper Net 7 1234	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:11:27 - [231] - Quote As ccp still has not answered my question about ice mining in the 25 small wormhole systems, I am going to imply that it either means they did not think about that, or they have something they might announce at eve down under that is not quite ready yet... otherwise... how do we mine ice in a system where no ice mining ship can fit? And if there is no ice in said 25 systems a clarification is in order. The only thing I could be missing is the max jump size for a frig wh. as the smallest barge according to the eve wiki if has a mass of 10m the cruisers start at around 11m mass. So.. clarification needed again please OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Asrenguard Intermittent Stupidity 0	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:40:28 - [232] - Quote So let me get this straightGÇª.we have 1000GÇÖs of wormholes that are a virtual ghost town, so letGÇÖs create 100 NEW wormholes, all of which have a Known space static so people can scan down these holes directly from known space and jump in and loot and pillage and never touch a current wormholeGÇª.. I give upGÇª
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1015	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:16:03 - [233] - Quote Asrenguard wrote: So let me get this straightGÇª.we have 1000GÇÖs of wormholes that are a virtual ghost town, so letGÇÖs create 100 NEW wormholes, all of which have a Known space static so people can scan down these holes directly from known space and jump in and loot and pillage and never touch a current wormholeGÇª.. I give upGÇª Wormholers only have themselves to blame for the relative desertion of wormhole space. Intentionally exhausting wormhole mass to consume PvE content far afield of what your home hole affords has picked the ecosystem clean. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 5561	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:01:26 - [234] - Quote Arec Bardwin wrote: Horus V wrote: 342 AU and the sun will have exact same size no metter where you are Yeah! That's the one thing that always bugged me about EVE. It would be SO awesome if star size and light scaled with distance. It would scale from blindingly bright near the star to too dark to see anything further away from the star. You wouldn't really like it. I guess CCP could add some kind of linear scaling. I agree with you to some degree about the size of the star. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:43:49 - [235] - Quote Querns wrote: Asrenguard wrote: So let me get this straightGÇª.we have 1000GÇÖs of wormholes that are a virtual ghost town, so letGÇÖs create 100 NEW wormholes, all of which have a Known space static so people can scan down these holes directly from known space and jump in and loot and pillage and never touch a current wormholeGÇª.. I give upGÇª Wormholers only have themselves to blame for the relative desertion of wormhole space. Intentionally exhausting wormhole mass to consume PvE content far afield of what your home hole affords has picked the ecosystem clean. I'm not really a wormholer anymore... did it a bit. I think the emptiness of wormhole space is part of it's charm. It's hard to live out there. The risk is lower out there at any given time in any given wormhole... but when things get dangerous they get REALLY dangerous. The risk vs reward is well balanced. The WH ecosystem wouldn't hold up very long if it was packed with pods imho. I think WHs are well balanced, and that balance is based on the presumed population and player behaviours. I've seen some really cool construction yards and operations in WH space... I think to myself "damn. Those guys must be RAKING in ISK." Then I read about some horrible eviction and think "damn. Those guys lost a LOT of ISK." ...there's balance. One of my biggest industrial hits ever wasn't even an empire gank... it was a convoy of Mammoths leaving a wormhole in lowsec one jump from empire. So close... We don't know what the new player built stargate system is going to look like yet, but imagine if it could connect WH space. Think about how dramatically it would change the ecosystem. Just a thought... I think WHs are fine.
GeeBee Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team 59	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:00:46 - [236] - Quote my 2 cents for Thera - Have a permanent wormhole in jita that connects to thera that can be warped to like a stargate, it will get nicknamed the glory hole
Emiko Rowna Aliastra Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.11.14 21:06:11 - [237] - Quote Meditril wrote: Almost died from an orgasmic shock while reading about Thera... sounds great!!! Don't read what they put out today you will never make it to the end and I'm not cleaning that up. The end of you.
Irya Boone Never Surrender. 405	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:32:14 - [238] - Quote Thanks again and know put some fight generator in it :) CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!
Malcolm Faust Soldiers of Cthulhu 11	Posted - 2014.11.15 00:16:46 - [239] - Quote RAAAAAGGGEEE!!!!!! Seriously, I'm this \ / close to exploring all the old shattered planet systems and you throw up 101 more? You guys have cajones, and it's pissing me off.
Luscius Uta 114	Posted - 2014.11.15 11:09:25 - [240] - Quote Fozzie said that there will be no agents in Thera. I would recommend giving it few high-level R&D (and only) R&D agents, preferrably specialzing in Sleeper-related research. Highsec sucks.
Aladar Dangerface Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept 22	Posted - 2014.11.15 14:46:24 - [241] - Quote I don't know if this has been asked in the thread already and I doubt I'll get an answer from devs but what are the chances of removing 100 dead (non-inhabited) normal whs cling with the addition of the shattered ones? I really like the idea of these holes however wh space is already a bit too big for its population so replacing instead of just adding holes seems a better idea to me. I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Cypher Decypher Flowery Twats 40	Posted - 2014.11.15 15:56:20 - [242] - Quote Eessi wrote: Scan statics from Thera on sisi: 3x Outgoing low sec connections (wormhole id V898): Battleships can pass through 3x Null sec exit (wormhole id E587): Frieghters can pass through but not carriers. 2x High sec outgoing conenctions wormhole id Q063): Only Battlecruisers and below can pass through. 1x High sec k162 3x k162 connections to c1-3 3x k162 connections to c4-5 So.. Freighters can only get into Thera from nullsec? I wonder who that benefits
Malissa Radort Core Industry. Circle-Of-Two 8	Posted - 2014.11.15 16:07:04 - [243] - Quote Well GG CCP. So much years to spend OUR money on Crappy games (We told you for Dust, We told you for World of Darkness...) and you don't care about EvE. Now other games (I don't will give the name here, but everybody know) will come on market and you fear so much... And you finally Update this game on the good way, I just hope "Not Too late". Try to listen the community know and stop take us for tards...
DaReaper Net 7 1257	Posted - 2014.11.15 16:23:25 - [244] - Quote Malissa Radort wrote: Well GG CCP. So much years to spend OUR money on Crappy games (We told you for Dust, We told you for World of Darkness...) and you don't care about EvE. Now other games (I don't will give the name here, but everybody know) will come on market and you fear so much... And you finally Update this game on the good way, I just hope "Not Too late". Try to listen the community know and stop take us for tards... so much fail in this post.... 1) once you give them your money its no longer your money 2) a game company that doesn;t expand its product line is a dead company 3) Games fail, dust however, was not a huge flop based on the information provided, it just was not a huge success. 4) ED, and SC are not threat to eve, none, zip. Just like STO, Black Prophecy, SW:TOR, Planet side, X-Rebirth, Destiny(which would kill dust), etc. All have not hurt eve, and none will. This is the continuation of the repairs for 2011, which was before any of these games got announced. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Caydia Lorv School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:29:49 - [245] - Quote All 4 stations in Thera are SoE? Should I start grinding standing with them to save on the Thera market taxes and fees?
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 24692	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:31:01 - [246] - Quote not allowing anchorable bubbles was a good call. a devoter found out that cycling a bubble at undock was a death sentence. all I know right now is Thera is the new spot for subcap Sisi PVP President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3614	Posted - 2014.11.16 23:24:04 - [247] - Quote There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it. What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events. I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live. Some reason to fight over the system is needed. www.minerbumping.com - Mining accidents are on the increase. Don't become a statistic, become a permit holder! Ganking doesn't need a purpose, the gank is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 181	Posted - 2014.11.17 15:58:03 - [248] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it. What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events. I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live. Some reason to fight over the system is needed. Gain nothing from it? Try this: Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies. Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere. No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again. Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ.
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 259	Posted - 2014.11.17 16:14:41 - [249] - Quote In this time the most precious system in the universe is Thera. Thera extends life, Thera expands mobility, Thera is vital to space travel?
Aladar Dangerface Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept 23	Posted - 2014.11.17 16:43:48 - [250] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it. What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events. I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live. Some reason to fight over the system is needed. Gain nothing from it? Try this: Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies. Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere. No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again. Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ. You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse. Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no. I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 206	Posted - 2014.11.17 17:09:42 - [251] - Quote Has it been mentioned yet that "Thera and The Shattered Wormholes" sounds like an awesome lounge act in Vegas?
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 107	Posted - 2014.11.17 17:41:02 - [252] - Quote Aladar Dangerface wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it. What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events. I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live. Some reason to fight over the system is needed. Gain nothing from it? Try this: Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies. Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere. No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again. Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ. You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse. Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no. 3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg 6,815,000 kg for a legion. 440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 182	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:17:26 - [253] - Quote Lady Rift wrote: Aladar Dangerface wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it. What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events. I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live. Some reason to fight over the system is needed. Gain nothing from it? Try this: Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies. Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere. No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again. Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ. You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse. Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no. 3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg 6,815,000 kg for a legion. 440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills. Since they'll want to get home, and since there will be scout ships and all, I suspect fleets of 100-200 legions will be more common. Yes, it's not 1,000 Megathrons, but still very very worth the Goons taking over. How many stealth bombers you think they'll get through? How many of those k-space exits will be into CFC space they don't want disturbed? Totally worth it to a big group to lock down.
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 107	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:29:18 - [254] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: Lady Rift wrote: Aladar Dangerface wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it. What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events. I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live. Some reason to fight over the system is needed. Gain nothing from it? Try this: Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies. Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere. No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again. Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ. You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse. Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no. 3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg 6,815,000 kg for a legion. 440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills. Since they'll want to get home, and since there will be scout ships and all, I suspect fleets of 100-200 legions will be more common. Yes, it's not 1,000 Megathrons, but still very very worth the Goons taking over. How many stealth bombers you think they'll get through? How many of those k-space exits will be into CFC space they don't want disturbed? Totally worth it to a big group to lock down. my post was just to put actual numbers to what could go though. It will be interesting to see if one group tries to lock it down. doesn't really affect my c2 wh so I don't really have any skin in the game of controlling thera edit: Purifier mass 1,396,000 kg so 5 times the amount of legion.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 182	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:54:45 - [255] - Quote Lady Rift wrote: my post was just to put actual numbers to what could go though. It will be interesting to see if one group tries to lock it down. doesn't really affect my c2 wh so I don't really have any skin in the game of controlling thera edit: Purifier mass 1,396,000 kg so 5 times the amount of legion. And my post was not to counter yours. I thank you for the information. I was countering the previous repliers idea that Thera would not be worth locking down. Basically Thera will be a form of force projection. Now other groups without access to stations can use Thera for force projection. They can fly in 100 legions, warp to a safe, start scanning exits, and look for fights. All without a station. So Thera will be a form of force projection and it will be so for everybody. However, the guy who controls the stations will have the benefit of living there, stocking doctrine ships, having clones, etc. So the amount of coordination possible will be greater and preparation will be much easier if you live in Thera. My point in bringing this up is that it is most certainly worth locking the system down. It won't ruin the system, but it will prevent its role as a neutral trade hub and give an advantage to the group that has it locked down. That's my point. Thera is going to be used for force projection by all kinds of people no matter what. But the 4 stations will come under one group's control, and they will be used to the benefit of that group. It will definitely be worth it for large groups to control the stations. And it will be very easy for them to do so.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 25186	Posted - 2014.11.17 21:44:22 - [256] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Has it been mentioned yet that "Thera and The Shattered Wormholes" sounds like an awesome lounge act in Vegas? or a really, really low budget sci fi adult film President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 209	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:12:12 - [257] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: Has it been mentioned yet that "Thera and The Shattered Wormholes" sounds like an awesome lounge act in Vegas? or a really, really low budget sci fi adult film "Vegas act or **** flick?" I'm positive I've heard a morning radio show run that contest before....
DaReaper Net 7 1297	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:23:00 - [258] - Quote Reposting yet again.... BOLD is mine I assume the non answer by ccp means either they did not see it, or they have something not yet ready to announce. However, incase I am mistaken in my understand, I am asking for clarification: Per the dev blog on thera: "The seventy five Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems will be similar to normal W-space systems in many ways (including delayed-mode local chat), but will have a few important distinctions:" "GÇó They will contain minable ice fields. This will be the first ice available in wormhole space." And... "The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systemswill have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions: GÇó All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter. " So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. The larges destroyer is around 2m kg in mass. And a cruiser is around 11m kg in mass. So unless I am mistaken, and the small wh's take a max of 10m kg per jump into them, there is absloutly no way, as it stands right now, to be able to mine the ice in these 25 systems. So... what gives? or am I just misinformed on the max per jump a small frig hole can take? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Jack Hayson Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 19	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:55:35 - [259] - Quote Lady Rift wrote: 3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg 6,815,000 kg for a legion. 440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills. A Legion is quite a bit heavier than 6,815 tons. T3s weigh about 14-15 Gt. (you need to account for subsystem mass) Wormhole total mass varies by about 10%, so you have to assume that worst case you only get 2,700 Gt of mass so roughly 180 T3s and logis on a one way trip. Anyway, showing up in random parts of space to blow stuff up is something wormholers already do. You don't need Thera for that. (You also don't need hundreds of T3s for that either) DaReaper wrote: So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. Simple: you don't. Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 210	Posted - 2014.11.18 00:14:06 - [260] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Reposting yet again.... BOLD is mine I assume the non answer by ccp means either they did not see it, or they have something not yet ready to announce. However, incase I am mistaken in my understand, I am asking for clarification: Per the dev blog on thera: "The seventy five Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems will be similar to normal W-space systems in many ways (including delayed-mode local chat), but will have a few important distinctions:" "GÇó They will contain minable ice fields. This will be the first ice available in wormhole space." And... "The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systemswill have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions: GÇó All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter. " So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. The larges destroyer is around 2m kg in mass. And a cruiser is around 11m kg in mass. So unless I am mistaken, and the small wh's take a max of 10m kg per jump into them, there is absloutly no way, as it stands right now, to be able to mine the ice in these 25 systems. So... what gives? or am I just misinformed on the max per jump a small frig hole can take? The mythical ice mining frigate shall soon be a reality (I hope).
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 25194	Posted - 2014.11.18 00:16:13 - [261] - Quote I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one Jack Hayson wrote: DaReaper wrote: So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. Simple: you don't. Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes) false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
DaReaper Net 7 1301	Posted - 2014.11.18 00:27:18 - [262] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one Jack Hayson wrote: DaReaper wrote: So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. Simple: you don't. Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes) false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold. see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 212	Posted - 2014.11.18 00:38:10 - [263] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Rain6637 wrote: I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one Jack Hayson wrote: DaReaper wrote: So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. Simple: you don't. Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes) false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold. see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows When they announced the Prospect, Fozzie stated that an expedition frigate made for mining ice was a definite possibility. Fingers crossed.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 25202	Posted - 2014.11.18 01:45:00 - [264] - Quote I don't know what Ice mining is like, or any mining, aside from some lol mining drones with trip rattlesnakes in a rookie system. is an expedition ice mining frigate anything to be excited about? it sounds to me like a huge time sink to mine ice with a wormhole between runs. doesn't strike me as appealing enough to compete with high sec mining and production. thoughts? President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 212	Posted - 2014.11.18 01:53:09 - [265] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I don't know what Ice mining is like, or any mining, aside from some lol mining drones with trip rattlesnakes in a rookie system. is an expedition ice mining frigate anything to be excited about? it sounds to me like a huge time sink to mine ice with a wormhole between runs. doesn't strike me as appealing enough to compete with high sec mining and production. thoughts? Value wise, it'd be a waste of time. But I get a kick out of mining in dangerous areas. Before they made the Prospect a thing, I enjoyed taking a venture out in to lowsec and down into wormholes just to see if I'd survive. I enjoy doing so with the Prospect even more. Don't know why, it's just my thing. I could make much more money simply mining in high sec. Ice mining in lowsec and wormholes in a frigate sounds fun to me. I'm an odd duck though.
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 107	Posted - 2014.11.18 04:19:13 - [266] - Quote Jack Hayson wrote: Lady Rift wrote: 3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg 6,815,000 kg for a legion. 440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills. A Legion is quite a bit heavier than 6,815 tons. T3s weigh about 14-15 Gt. (you need to account for subsystem mass) Wormhole total mass varies by about 10%, so you have to assume that worst case you only get 2,700 Gt of mass so roughly 180 T3s and logis on a one way trip. Anyway, showing up in random parts of space to blow stuff up is something wormholers already do. You don't need Thera for that. (You also don't need hundreds of T3s for that either) DaReaper wrote: So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. Simple: you don't. Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes) Thanks thought that seamed light but didnt have the client so just looked up the legion hull.
DaReaper Net 7 1311	Posted - 2014.11.18 05:05:10 - [267] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I don't know what Ice mining is like, or any mining, aside from some lol mining drones with trip rattlesnakes in a rookie system. is an expedition ice mining frigate anything to be excited about? it sounds to me like a huge time sink to mine ice with a wormhole between runs. doesn't strike me as appealing enough to compete with high sec mining and production. thoughts? isk wise no not as profitable as i am sure the mac will still out mine an ice mining, however, if you have a small fleet and happen to find a frig hole you can mine, you could pull in enough ice to maybe make you not have to do a fuel run for a few days or a few weeks depending on how quite the system is. i'm mostly pointing out that adding ice to a system that you can not mine ice in... is stupid. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.11.18 11:05:48 - [268] - Quote How will you mine ice in the 25 frigate only wormholes? Or will those allow barges into them? The page of information did say they'd have the same feature as the 75 other shattered wormhole wormholes.
Dwissi Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.11.18 11:26:55 - [269] - Quote You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them. Proud designer of glasses for geeky dovakins Before someone complains again: grr everyone Greed is the death of loyalty
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 268	Posted - 2014.11.18 11:27:26 - [270] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Rain6637 wrote: I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one Jack Hayson wrote: DaReaper wrote: So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. Simple: you don't. Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes) false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold. see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows No idea what would make that a huge oversight, unless you have a very serious case of OCD.
Ruskarn Andedare Lion Investments 607	Posted - 2014.11.18 12:20:02 - [271] - Quote Dwissi wrote: You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them. How would that help with mining ice in the 25 small holes?
Ruskarn Andedare Lion Investments 607	Posted - 2014.11.18 12:21:45 - [272] - Quote King Fu Hostile wrote: DaReaper wrote: Rain6637 wrote: I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one Jack Hayson wrote: DaReaper wrote: So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. Simple: you don't. Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes) false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold. see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows No idea what would make that a huge oversight, unless you have a very serious case of OCD. Plays EVE, shocked at thought that an EVE player has OCD
DaReaper Net 7 1312	Posted - 2014.11.18 17:39:32 - [273] - Quote Dwissi wrote: You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them. Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it" I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 107	Posted - 2014.11.18 18:23:13 - [274] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Dwissi wrote: You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them. Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it" I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer. or ccp just copy pasted the wh 100 times then on 25 of them gave the bonus and restricted the size. To much work to remove the ice belts as they aren't hurting anything in there.
Dwissi Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.11.18 18:43:15 - [275] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Dwissi wrote: You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them. Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it" I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer. The other holes are not restricted regarding POS afaik - so you can still build ships at a POS there. Proud designer of glasses for geeky dovakins Before someone complains again: grr everyone Greed is the death of loyalty
DaReaper Net 7 1318	Posted - 2014.11.19 03:13:46 - [276] - Quote Lady Rift wrote: DaReaper wrote: Dwissi wrote: You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them. Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it" I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer. or ccp just copy pasted the wh 100 times then on 25 of them gave the bonus and restricted the size. To much work to remove the ice belts as they aren't hurting anything in there. this is true, but at the same time its a bit mm annoying lol. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 108	Posted - 2014.11.19 05:48:22 - [277] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Lady Rift wrote: DaReaper wrote: Dwissi wrote: You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them. Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it" I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer. or ccp just copy pasted the wh 100 times then on 25 of them gave the bonus and restricted the size. To much work to remove the ice belts as they aren't hurting anything in there. this is true, but at the same time its a bit mm annoying lol. Its ccp it will be fixed. maybe by the 20th anniversary of eve.
Elana Apgar DarkMatter-Industries Upholders 11	Posted - 2014.11.19 06:05:15 - [278] - Quote I love the idea of shattered wormholes, but I think there's one thing that's being overlooked. Shattered wormholes have ice, but the frigate sized shattered wormholes will not allow any ships to pass through that are capable of harvesting ice. There should either be a mining frigate that is specifically designed to do ice harvesting, or the prospect should be modified to allow for ice harvesting as well. It's got a decent enough ore hold, and to prevent it from being too over powered, you could only allow it to have one ice harvester equipped and usable or come out with ice harvesting turrets. Without a frigate sized ice harvester, you will be denying daring explorers and industrialists alike the opportunity (ie content) to do ice harvesting in those 25 systems.
Dwissi Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.11.19 06:50:01 - [279] - Quote I still dont see the ice problem. There are no moons or planets - so no POS , no PI and no need for ice either. Just because its there doesnt require it to be mined. Proud designer of glasses for geeky dovakins Before someone complains again: grr everyone Greed is the death of loyalty

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12013	Posted - 2014.11.19 12:54:41 - [280] - Quote The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time. For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug. If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1414	Posted - 2014.11.19 14:04:33 - [281] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time. For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug. If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button. So much mystery! I feel a disturbance in the f... I mean, I feel(or hope) that its related to some future planned content, not yet announced, for after Rhea. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2533	Posted - 2014.11.19 14:21:07 - [282] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time. For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug. If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button. Speculation is on. I am thinking we are going to see an ice mining laser and ice blocks reduced to 100m3. -
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1274	Posted - 2014.11.19 15:34:35 - [283] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time. For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug. If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button. I look forward to the new ice mining frigate. I hope it is a second t2 venture variant though, like the prospect, but with ice harvesting bonuses instead of gas/ore bonuses.
DaReaper Net 7 1325	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:15:22 - [284] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time. For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug. If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button. Mildy disappointed Rhea won't have a way to mine it, but glad to get acknowledgement that it was intended. I look forward to ways of getting the ice. And will just have to mine the crap out of the 75 other systems if I ever connect to one lol OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3639	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:55:47 - [285] - Quote Prospect should gain the ability to fit ice harvesters as-is. Might see them used a bit then, and dealing with that will provide a use for all of the electron blasters in the universe. www.minerbumping.com - Mining accidents are increasing. Get your permit now. Ganking doesn't need a purpose, the gank is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
Wizzard117 Viziam Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2014.11.20 00:45:39 - [286] - Quote 2 Devs What's the reason of having ice fields in frigate-only shattered wormholes considering no frigate can harvest ice atm? Will we be able to actually harvest this ice somehow? Edit: y well, in the future ok.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 366	Posted - 2014.11.21 20:05:56 - [287] - Quote Thera should make a good battleground sounds like.
Flyinghotpocket Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 457	Posted - 2014.11.21 21:40:17 - [288] - Quote soooo basically small shattered wormholes are going to just be a thunderdome of devoters with 4 1600 plates and small guns. Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Sam Spock The Scope Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:39:46 - [289] - Quote My two cents: New expedition frigate that has ice mining bonuses instead of ore. Same as prospect but make it a little different like take out the cov ops cloak capability and put in interdiction nullifier or something like that. Either introduce ice lasers that only work on the Expedition frigates (might as well let unbonused Prospects use them as well) or allow this new ship to fit one Ice Harvester. Whichever is less messy. Oh, and +1 on the guy that said make ice 100m3. Giving you Inconsistent grammar, speilling and Punct-uation since 1974!
Etnanes S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS. 0	Posted - 2014.11.27 13:38:39 - [290] - Quote Are there gonna be relic/data sites ? If so will they be inhabited by sleepers ? thx for answers
James Spacecrawler NERV Reborn Independent Stars Allied Forces 0	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:42:14 - [291] - Quote I think Thera is a great concept. I'm kind of sceptical on there actually being a strong incentive to inhabit the system, but the idea of a Jita for outlaws is very entertaining. I'm not too worried about Null sec alliances trying to lock down the system. We are talking about locking down a system that has no functional moons. There goes a huge incentive right there. And on top of that, they are moving manpower and ships to a place that is difficult to leave, reducing their numbers in actual null space. It's just a bad idea for any serious null sec alliance.
ktown Hekard Immortalis Fratres Vacui Legio immortales CXCI 60	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:39:26 - [292] - Quote Yay for adding resources that cant be harvested. Totally copy and pasted. CCP lies when they said "Extra effort was made to pute ice in the wh's" Yea right so your also unable to make a way to harvest it to? Nice idea, bad execution.

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