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Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:02:00 - [1] Which one was a bigger event? I know that EIB garnered more isk. Some would probably argue that EIB was a scam, whereas GHSC was a legitimate use of the game mechanics. Others might argue that EIB capitalized on people's naivete whereas GHSC actually betrayed a huge amount of trust. Some might find corp theft more reprehensible then the EIB scam. I am curious as to people's views on comparing the two. For those unfamiliar with the GHSC event you can go here: http://www.mmodig.com/?p=155
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:17:00 - [2] Personally, I think GHSC was much better. This wasnt anything terribly new, and has happened before. Personally I think he's lied about how much he stole. Nehoo, GHSC was the first of its kind, a true mass theft, as previous ones only took say, 1 - 5b. GHSC changed the rules of eve. --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
eLLioTT wave Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:19:00 - [3] both of them suck compared to what Nightfreeze accomplished. Strangely it was reading about his scam that introduced me to eve. I didn't end up trying it out till many months later though. The excitement he had in getting his first cruiser is something ithink we miss today, now everyone flies a bs or hac or t2 this or that, not that t1 cruisers don't rock (cos they do) but i think it would have been cool to be playing in the day when battleships were rare and cruisers were "cool"
Michiyo Daishi Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:19:00 - [4] EIB is just another cookie-cutter scam that's been portrayed not only in other MMO's but in real life as well, in practically nearly every day of every week. GHSC involved infiltration, betrayal of trust at the highest levels, and bravado all in one. It's just like one of those big Hollywood movies wherein the bad guys seem to have won it all ("Swordfish" is an example of such a "badguywins" movie). EIB's scam is boring. GHSC's heist isnt. Why's that? Answer's so obvious -
Nir	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:31:00 - [5] Doesn't anyone remember Morbor? He was the first. 7 billion was A LOT back then..
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:31:00 - [6] They don't compare. One was just theft and scam. GHSC fulfilled a CONTRACT. They took an assignment that required the utmost care and diligence and pulled off a cinematic quality heist/hit. In terms of ISK, the EIB fiasco is a joke at best, and potentially a r/l crime at worst. Scams are easy. GHSC fulfilled a nightmarishly difficult task over a long period of time. The EIB scam, especially after the laughable 'confession' that was published, was just sad. Consider if EIB had been legit. They could have gone down in EVE history as a help and a new means of conducting business in EVE. Instead, he took the easy road, and even with a pocket full of isk, made himself out to be a complete asshat. my 2 cents. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Verone	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:48:00 - [7] GHSC's heist was far more classy, well organised, better put together and presented when completed in a lot more of a professional manner. EIB had to rely on the false drama of people pretending they were dead/in prison etc. and a cheap, low-res profanity ridden monologue video to be noticed. As well as that quite a few people who I've spoken with including several people who invested on a small scale have said the figure that was actually scammed is apparently MASSIVELY inflated compared to the actual truth. Tbh, most people will stop doubting how much was actually taken, when it's placed in a trade window and dragged around and frapsed, or a wallet count on opening is frapsed to cut out the possiblity of editing. If he got so much ISK, then all credit to him... personally I think it's not even close to that amount. Istvaan still wins on the scamming/rip off front, Regardless. No one can outdo the sheer class of a GHSC heist. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Kage Getsu Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.29 03:52:00 - [8] The EIB scam was the biggest scam in EVE history, but the GH-SC one was a pretty awesome corp destruction/assassination job rather than just a money scam. Speaking of which, check out the link in my sig for a fun raffle related to the EIB scammer! Own a piece of the biggest scammer in EVE history!
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.29 04:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Verone If he got so much ISK, then all credit to him Very punny Verone, VERY punny. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Graelyn Amarr The Aeternus Crusade Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.08.29 05:20:00 - [10] The GH-SC heist was a much more complicated and difficult operation and takes the cake in my book. (I will still point out that it failed in destroying it's target ) Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade

Michiyo Daishi Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.08.29 05:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Graelyn The GH-SC heist was a much more complicated and difficult operation and takes the cake in my book. (I will still point out that it failed in destroying it's target ) IIRC, PC Gamer UK, NewScientist, and various other sources do state that they did achieve their goal in taking out the target and getting the corpse. -
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.29 05:34:00 - [12] EIB>GHSC Simply for the fact that Dentara used less effort and got more isk. Who would bother going through all that trouble of becoming someones friend over a year or so just to rip them off....apart from that ista-something guy? Recruitment
Professional Troll	Posted - 2006.08.29 06:17:00 - [13] EIB, simply because it made the News.
Ma Raia'l Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.29 06:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Professional Troll EIB, simply because it made the News. I do believe the GH-SC heist got an article in the UK's PC Gamer awhile back. The Guiding Hand heist took nearly a year of infiltration and delicate work, the EIB scam was just a pyramid scheme.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.29 06:27:00 - [15] Istvaan is the most evil man in EVE. Even Omber Zombie bows to him. - Latest MC Movie - Nation Building
Joe N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.29 06:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Verone GHSC's heist was far more classy, well organised, better put together and presented when completed in a lot more of a professional manner. Thats about it really. Wtb 1mn Mwd II BPO
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.29 06:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Seleene Istvaan is the most evil man in EVE. Even Omber Zombie bows to him. Actually I believe the word that'd fit better would be: AMORAL. imho. Or perhaps I've read to many of Istvaan's chronicle stories. lol ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.29 06:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Professional Troll EIB, simply because it made the News. Making slashdot, numerous magazines, 4 pages in pcgamer uk, run again in pcgamer us later, new scientist article etc etc seems a bit more "making the news" than that http://eve.klaki.net/
Micia Minmatar N.A.S.A. Cobra Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.29 07:14:00 - [19] Yah, I'd have to go with GHSC's heist and full-blown betrayal. Simply giving your ISK to some fellow, who then runs away with it, is not even in the same ballpark as Istvaan's diabolical machinations. Sure, there may have been higher totals involved with EIB but there was no "class". Maybe if Cally had summoned a gathering of the major investors/depositors, and had them podded one by one as they arrived at the meeting destination, while he raided the bank... ...but as is, GHSC is still the King Weasel in my opinion. _______ Originally by: bananagirl Actually i ask that you think ... the picture was a present and now the birthdays gone ... ! and next week they die .. you get my gist here ?
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.08.29 07:19:00 - [20] GHSC By far! Far far far!!!!! $5 says EIB was just an idea, when the idea turned into a lot of work, it then turned into a scam. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?

Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.29 07:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Nyphur on 29/08/2006 07:39:37 Originally by: Professional Troll EIB, simply because it made the News. Hi Dentara. As others have said, GHSC made "the news" multiple times, in respectable places including a full six page article in PC Gamer. By the way, that link isn't "the news", it's a political weblog entry written by someone called "Caroline McCarthy". She works for CNet, and doesn't work very hard from what I can see. This is the same weblog that is publishing such new and current news stories as "Feds to warn teen girls of Net perils" and my particular favourite "IRS employees like bad e-mail jokes and ****", written by the same person who wrote the EIB article. Is it just me or does the value Cally stole increase every time I see it? I could have sworn I saw a screenshot that showed Dentara Rast's bank ballence at 690 billion. The quoted scam figure I remember reading was a rounded up 700 billion. And now this article says 790 and I read a post on the forum somewhere that says it was even more than that. EDIT: My personal take on it is that GHSC was well planned out and took 100% advantage of their year of planning, while EIB was rushed. If he really DID swipe 700 billion, he could have gotten 1500 billion if he'd waited a bit longer. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Heraken	Posted - 2006.08.29 07:44:00 - [22] Word of the EIB scam is beginning to appear elsewehere: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060828-7605.html However, I think that the GHSC approach took more skill and cunning.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.08.29 09:40:00 - [23] Why people cry out about this is beyond me, the moment I borrow out or invest isk into something where I am not in control of .. that isk is already written off. If my friends don't repay me hey I won't ask for the isk, I don't hold grudges against them either. If they pay me .. good, no problem... I borrow them easy more isk then. Facts are that once they trusted this isk into someone unknown .. that isk was gone !!! unless they actually knew the guy in real life ... that is would have been pretty much gone. Scams are part of this game and most of the players should know this by now. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.29 09:48:00 - [24] EIB will fade quickly. In less than a year people will no longer remember it except those who were involved themselves. It got a small EVE news item. Do people even remember all the things that merited the IG news? I doubt anyone really remembers that Verisum Family wants to have Golan demoted, nor do they care. The Guiding Hand heist was done with considerable planning, cunning, and devilish execution - it doesn't fade. In contrast to the EIB scam, Guiding Hand was honoured a very large news article in a real-world gaming magazine. They got six pages, which is more than most prominent games get! There is no competition. Make this thred anew in a few years, I promise you'll have to explain what EIB was. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.29 10:20:00 - [25] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2006 10:21:32 Originally by: eLLioTT wave both of them suck compared to what Nightfreeze accomplished. Strangely it was reading about his scam that introduced me to eve. I didn't end up trying it out till many months later though. The excitement he had in getting his first cruiser is something ithink we miss today, now everyone flies a bs or hac or t2 this or that, not that t1 cruisers don't rock (cos they do) but i think it would have been cool to be playing in the day when battleships were rare and cruisers were "cool" Nightfreeze's scam never happened. It was a fictional (but entertaining) story. The community heard of his scam through his story, not through the game or forums. And the amount specified in the scam, the scope and supposed aftermath was too great for the game at the time to have gone through without a serious ***storm hitting the forums before he even had time to write the first paragraph. ---- Nothing I ever say is official*
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.29 10:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Graelyn The GH-SC heist was a much more complicated and difficult operation and takes the cake in my book. (I will still point out that it failed in destroying it's target ) It didn't destroy the corp, though it did crippling damage. They did asplode Mirial's navypoc and egg.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.29 10:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Ithildin EIB will fade quickly. In less than a year people will no longer remember it except those who were involved themselves. It got a small EVE news item. Do people even remember all the things that merited the IG news? I doubt anyone really remembers that Verisum Family wants to have Golan demoted, nor do they care. The Guiding Hand heist was done with considerable planning, cunning, and devilish execution - it doesn't fade. In contrast to the EIB scam, Guiding Hand was honoured a very large news article in a real-world gaming magazine. They got six pages, which is more than most prominent games get! There is no competition. Make this thred anew in a few years, I promise you'll have to explain what EIB was. Not just that, but the GHSC heist was not a scam, it was an assassination contract that was expanded into dismantling the corporation. To compare it to an investment scam is silly. The only reason people are thinking it's a big deal is that Dentara says he took 700 billion from it. I have yet to see conclusive proof of the sum he took and given his attitude, I am certain that he has inflated it to some extent. I wouldn't be surprised if EIB was faking accounts from the start with the sole intent of making it seem like a big deal when he ripped them off. The only source of info on how much was stolen with EIB is solely in the hands of Dentara Rast, for us to believe he stole 700 billion, we have to trust him. Do YOU trust him? I know I don't. The execution of the GHSC heist was very well done, the execution of Dentara ripping off EIB was pretty retarded, to say the least. Verone seems to know a lot more than I do about all the lies, drama and bull**** they got into when shutting down, I'll have to ask him about that. What came after each event pretty much sums up how it will be remembmered. After the GHSC heist, the ringleader posted a message on the forum explaining the contract he had been hired to complete about a year beforehand and how it was brought to fruition. He took it as just another contract, a significant step forward for his corp's reputation but still just one step forward. It was classy, almost like something from a spy movie. After the EIB scam, Dentara made several posts declaring himself the "official winner of eve" and bragging about how much isk he stole and how he had beaten the guiding hand heist, then made himself a special forum signature with Cally, himself and "Official winner of eve" on it so nobody would be allowed to forget. Needless to say, I have not seen a single person agree with his self-appointed title. It was presumptuous, arrogant and all in very bad taste. And my final point, that I think you were getting at Ithildin, is that nobody will remember the EIB scam story... because there's no story to it. The GHSC heist has a lot of story behind it, had a year of planning and quite simply it sounds like something from a novel just reading the article in PC Gamer. The EIB scam was one guy ripping a bunch of people off after what was about 6 months of running a fake bank. It sounds clever, but he was beaten to the idea by tens of people - Currin Trading, for example. It was just another investment scam, albiet a bigger one. There's no story to it, he may as well have made the 700 billion by setting fake escrows, it makes no difference. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Antiochus Laetus Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.29 10:38:00 - [28] Please tell me for the love of EVE that this isnt true "absconded with around 790 billion isk"--Peter Pollack. Is that right appx. 790b isk? or is that a typo, and meant to be 790m? I really need a signature.
Michiyo Daishi Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.08.29 10:39:00 - [29] pssh, EIB isnt hitting "the news" as much as some people would like (or hate) it to be. GHSC, now THEY're a force to be reckoned with. -
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.29 11:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Antiochus Laetus Please tell me for the love of EVE that this isnt true "absconded with around 790 billion isk"--Peter Pollack. Is that right appx. 790b isk? or is that a typo, and meant to be 790m? It's not a typo. He apparantly has stolen all the money invested in EIB, which he claims is 790b. And we're supposed to believe him and crown him king of eve or something. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.



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