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Farrellus Cameron
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:02:00 -
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Which one was a bigger event? I know that EIB garnered more isk. Some would probably argue that EIB was a scam, whereas GHSC was a legitimate use of the game mechanics. Others might argue that EIB capitalized on people's naivete whereas GHSC actually betrayed a huge amount of trust. Some might find corp theft more reprehensible then the EIB scam. I am curious as to people's views on comparing the two.
For those unfamiliar with the GHSC event you can go here: http://www.mmodig.com/?p=155
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lofty29
Gallente
Tolarri Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:17:00 -
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Personally, I think GHSC was much better. This wasnt anything terribly new, and has happened before. Personally I think he's lied about how much he stole.
Nehoo, GHSC was the first of its kind, a true mass theft, as previous ones only took say, 1 - 5b. GHSC changed the rules of eve.
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eLLioTT wave
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:19:00 -
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both of them suck compared to what Nightfreeze accomplished. Strangely it was reading about his scam that introduced me to eve. I didn't end up trying it out till many months later though.
The excitement he had in getting his first cruiser is something ithink we miss today, now everyone flies a bs or hac or t2 this or that, not that t1 cruisers don't rock (cos they do) but i think it would have been cool to be playing in the day when battleships were rare and cruisers were "cool" |
Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:19:00 -
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EIB is just another cookie-cutter scam that's been portrayed not only in other MMO's but in real life as well, in practically nearly every day of every week.
GHSC involved infiltration, betrayal of trust at the highest levels, and bravado all in one. It's just like one of those big Hollywood movies wherein the bad guys seem to have won it all ("Swordfish" is an example of such a "badguywins" movie).
EIB's scam is boring. GHSC's heist isnt. Why's that?
Answer's so obvious
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:31:00 -
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Doesn't anyone remember Morbor? He was the first. 7 billion was A LOT back then.. 
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:31:00 -
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They don't compare. One was just theft and scam.
GHSC fulfilled a CONTRACT. They took an assignment that required the utmost care and diligence and pulled off a cinematic quality heist/hit.
In terms of ISK, the EIB fiasco is a joke at best, and potentially a r/l crime at worst.
Scams are easy. GHSC fulfilled a nightmarishly difficult task over a long period of time.
The EIB scam, especially after the laughable 'confession' that was published, was just sad. Consider if EIB had been legit. They could have gone down in EVE history as a help and a new means of conducting business in EVE.
Instead, he took the easy road, and even with a pocket full of isk, made himself out to be a complete asshat.
my 2 cents.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:48:00 -
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GHSC's heist was far more classy, well organised, better put together and presented when completed in a lot more of a professional manner.
EIB had to rely on the false drama of people pretending they were dead/in prison etc. and a cheap, low-res profanity ridden monologue video to be noticed. As well as that quite a few people who I've spoken with including several people who invested on a small scale have said the figure that was actually scammed is apparently MASSIVELY inflated compared to the actual truth.
Tbh, most people will stop doubting how much was actually taken, when it's placed in a trade window and dragged around and frapsed, or a wallet count on opening is frapsed to cut out the possiblity of editing.
If he got so much ISK, then all credit to him... personally I think it's not even close to that amount.
Istvaan still wins on the scamming/rip off front, Regardless.
No one can outdo the sheer class of a GHSC heist.
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Kage Getsu
Lordless
Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:52:00 -
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The EIB scam was the biggest scam in EVE history, but the GH-SC one was a pretty awesome corp destruction/assassination job rather than just a money scam.
Speaking of which, check out the link in my sig for a fun raffle related to the EIB scammer!
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.08.29 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
If he got so much ISK, then all credit to him
Very punny Verone, VERY punny.
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Graelyn
Amarr
The Aeternus Crusade
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.29 05:20:00 -
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The GH-SC heist was a much more complicated and difficult operation and takes the cake in my book.
(I will still point out that it failed in destroying it's target  )
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Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.29 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
The GH-SC heist was a much more complicated and difficult operation and takes the cake in my book.
(I will still point out that it failed in destroying it's target )
IIRC, PC Gamer UK, NewScientist, and various other sources do state that they did achieve their goal in taking out the target and getting the corpse.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.29 05:34:00 -
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EIB>GHSC
Simply for the fact that Dentara used less effort and got more isk.
Who would bother going through all that trouble of becoming someones friend over a year or so just to rip them off....apart from that ista-something guy?
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:17:00 -
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EIB, simply because it made the News.
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Ma Raia'l
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Professional Troll
EIB, simply because it made the News.
I do believe the GH-SC heist got an article in the UK's PC Gamer awhile back.
The Guiding Hand heist took nearly a year of infiltration and delicate work, the EIB scam was just a pyramid scheme.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:27:00 -
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Istvaan is the most evil man in EVE. Even Omber Zombie bows to him.
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N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
GHSC's heist was far more classy, well organised, better put together and presented when completed in a lot more of a professional manner.
Thats about it really.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Istvaan is the most evil man in EVE. Even Omber Zombie bows to him.
Actually I believe the word that'd fit better would be: AMORAL. imho.
Or perhaps I've read to many of Istvaan's chronicle stories. lol
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Professional Troll
EIB, simply because it made the News.
Making slashdot, numerous magazines, 4 pages in pcgamer uk, run again in pcgamer us later, new scientist article etc etc seems a bit more "making the news" than that
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Micia
Minmatar
N.A.S.A.
Cobra Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.29 07:14:00 -
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Yah, I'd have to go with GHSC's heist and full-blown betrayal. 
Simply giving your ISK to some fellow, who then runs away with it, is not even in the same ballpark as Istvaan's diabolical machinations. Sure, there may have been higher totals involved with EIB but there was no "class".
Maybe if Cally had summoned a gathering of the major investors/depositors, and had them podded one by one as they arrived at the meeting destination, while he raided the bank...
...but as is, GHSC is still the King Weasel in my opinion. 
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.08.29 07:19:00 -
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GHSC By far! Far far far!!!!!
$5 says EIB was just an idea, when the idea turned into a lot of work, it then turned into a scam.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 29/08/2006 07:39:37
Originally by: Professional Troll
EIB, simply because it made the News.
Hi Dentara.
As others have said, GHSC made "the news" multiple times, in respectable places including a full six page article in PC Gamer. By the way, that link isn't "the news", it's a political weblog entry written by someone called "Caroline McCarthy". She works for CNet, and doesn't work very hard from what I can see. This is the same weblog that is publishing such new and current news stories as "Feds to warn teen girls of Net perils" and my particular favourite "IRS employees like bad e-mail jokes and ****", written by the same person who wrote the EIB article.
Is it just me or does the value Cally stole increase every time I see it? I could have sworn I saw a screenshot that showed Dentara Rast's bank ballence at 690 billion. The quoted scam figure I remember reading was a rounded up 700 billion. And now this article says 790 and I read a post on the forum somewhere that says it was even more than that.
EDIT: My personal take on it is that GHSC was well planned out and took 100% advantage of their year of planning, while EIB was rushed. If he really DID swipe 700 billion, he could have gotten 1500 billion if he'd waited a bit longer.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 07:44:00 -
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Word of the EIB scam is beginning to appear elsewehere:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060828-7605.html
However, I think that the GHSC approach took more skill and cunning.
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2006.08.29 09:40:00 -
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Why people cry out about this is beyond me, the moment I borrow out or invest isk into something where I am not in control of .. that isk is already written off.
If my friends don't repay me hey I won't ask for the isk, I don't hold grudges against them either.
If they pay me .. good, no problem... I borrow them easy more isk then.
Facts are that once they trusted this isk into someone unknown .. that isk was gone !!! unless they actually knew the guy in real life ... that is would have been pretty much gone.
Scams are part of this game and most of the players should know this by now.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.29 09:48:00 -
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EIB will fade quickly. In less than a year people will no longer remember it except those who were involved themselves. It got a small EVE news item. Do people even remember all the things that merited the IG news? I doubt anyone really remembers that Verisum Family wants to have Golan demoted, nor do they care.
The Guiding Hand heist was done with considerable planning, cunning, and devilish execution - it doesn't fade. In contrast to the EIB scam, Guiding Hand was honoured a very large news article in a real-world gaming magazine. They got six pages, which is more than most prominent games get!
There is no competition. Make this thred anew in a few years, I promise you'll have to explain what EIB was.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2006 10:21:32
Originally by: eLLioTT wave
both of them suck compared to what Nightfreeze accomplished. Strangely it was reading about his scam that introduced me to eve. I didn't end up trying it out till many months later though.
The excitement he had in getting his first cruiser is something ithink we miss today, now everyone flies a bs or hac or t2 this or that, not that t1 cruisers don't rock (cos they do) but i think it would have been cool to be playing in the day when battleships were rare and cruisers were "cool"
Nightfreeze's scam never happened. It was a fictional (but entertaining) story. The community heard of his scam through his story, not through the game or forums. And the amount specified in the scam, the scope and supposed aftermath was too great for the game at the time to have gone through without a serious ****storm hitting the forums before he even had time to write the first paragraph.
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Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
The GH-SC heist was a much more complicated and difficult operation and takes the cake in my book.
(I will still point out that it failed in destroying it's target )
It didn't destroy the corp, though it did crippling damage. They did asplode Mirial's navypoc and egg.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
EIB will fade quickly. In less than a year people will no longer remember it except those who were involved themselves. It got a small EVE news item. Do people even remember all the things that merited the IG news? I doubt anyone really remembers that Verisum Family wants to have Golan demoted, nor do they care.
The Guiding Hand heist was done with considerable planning, cunning, and devilish execution - it doesn't fade. In contrast to the EIB scam, Guiding Hand was honoured a very large news article in a real-world gaming magazine. They got six pages, which is more than most prominent games get!
There is no competition. Make this thred anew in a few years, I promise you'll have to explain what EIB was.
Not just that, but the GHSC heist was not a scam, it was an assassination contract that was expanded into dismantling the corporation. To compare it to an investment scam is silly. The only reason people are thinking it's a big deal is that Dentara says he took 700 billion from it. I have yet to see conclusive proof of the sum he took and given his attitude, I am certain that he has inflated it to some extent. I wouldn't be surprised if EIB was faking accounts from the start with the sole intent of making it seem like a big deal when he ripped them off. The only source of info on how much was stolen with EIB is solely in the hands of Dentara Rast, for us to believe he stole 700 billion, we have to trust him. Do YOU trust him? I know I don't.
The execution of the GHSC heist was very well done, the execution of Dentara ripping off EIB was pretty retarded, to say the least. Verone seems to know a lot more than I do about all the lies, drama and bull**** they got into when shutting down, I'll have to ask him about that. What came after each event pretty much sums up how it will be remembmered. After the GHSC heist, the ringleader posted a message on the forum explaining the contract he had been hired to complete about a year beforehand and how it was brought to fruition. He took it as just another contract, a significant step forward for his corp's reputation but still just one step forward. It was classy, almost like something from a spy movie. After the EIB scam, Dentara made several posts declaring himself the "official winner of eve" and bragging about how much isk he stole and how he had beaten the guiding hand heist, then made himself a special forum signature with Cally, himself and "Official winner of eve" on it so nobody would be allowed to forget. Needless to say, I have not seen a single person agree with his self-appointed title. It was presumptuous, arrogant and all in very bad taste.
And my final point, that I think you were getting at Ithildin, is that nobody will remember the EIB scam story... because there's no story to it. The GHSC heist has a lot of story behind it, had a year of planning and quite simply it sounds like something from a novel just reading the article in PC Gamer. The EIB scam was one guy ripping a bunch of people off after what was about 6 months of running a fake bank. It sounds clever, but he was beaten to the idea by tens of people - Currin Trading, for example. It was just another investment scam, albiet a bigger one. There's no story to it, he may as well have made the 700 billion by setting fake escrows, it makes no difference.
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Antiochus Laetus
Technology Acquisition Collective
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:38:00 -
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Please tell me for the love of EVE that this isnt true "absconded with around 790 billion isk"--Peter Pollack.
Is that right appx. 790b isk? or is that a typo, and meant to be 790m?
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Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:39:00 -
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pssh, EIB isnt hitting "the news" as much as some people would like (or hate) it to be.
GHSC, now THEY're a force to be reckoned with.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Antiochus Laetus
Please tell me for the love of EVE that this isnt true "absconded with around 790 billion isk"--Peter Pollack.
Is that right appx. 790b isk? or is that a typo, and meant to be 790m?
It's not a typo. He apparantly has stolen all the money invested in EIB, which he claims is 790b. And we're supposed to believe him and crown him king of eve or something.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
For those unfamiliar with the GHSC event you can go here: http://www.mmodig.com/?p=155
As a new EVE player, I have been reading about the EiB scam with interest. But reading the above story was in another league entirely. Even though I have never heard of the GHSC before - reading this well written story, makes me want to jump in and play EVE right away. "Well played", is all I can say.
More forum links to the GHSC story would be appreciated, in order to make the daily server downtime pass a little quicker... 
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Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:33:00 -
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here is a better link re: GHSC's famous heist.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=138307&page=4#116want a si |
Victor Valka
Caldari
Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:41:00 -
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To be honest, there is no contest here as far as I'm concerned. GH-SC wins by a mile, landslide and hands-down.
Why?
Simple. GH-SC had class.
It was brutal, it was nasty but it had class. I love when things are done with class.
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Trinity Faetal on 29/08/2006 11:43:26
Edited by: Trinity Faetal on 29/08/2006 11:43:09
pftt tbh imho zeeppoo > all scams, ghsc and eib are just puppets compared to zeeppoo.
oh and yeah if there is ever a real hollywood movie about eve, the ghsc storyline wouldnt be bad
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Otangka
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:08:00 -
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GHSC is what pulled me into EvE
EIB is what will drive me out of it..
so low and crappy..besides that Rats guy cant even create a decent character...(with his evil eye's )
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Tactical Enterprise Group LTD
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Erichk Knaar on 30/08/2006 01:32:51
Edited by: Erichk Knaar on 30/08/2006 01:31:43
The EIB scam/embezzlement is by far the most damaging in terms of money taken, and hats off to Rast for not hiding behind alts, owning up that he dunnit and apparently getting ready to spend his moola in interesting ways. However, he basically scammed isk off a bunch of naive people who ignored the warnings because they didn't want to believe.
GHSC, on the other hand is the stuff of true legend. An assassin biding his time for a year, infiltrating the highest ranks of the marks organization, the masterstroke of the betrayal. Got all the elements of a great movie. What they did was so perfectly executed, so... cold, that it elevates itself beyond a petty scheme and into the halls of prime fiction for the Eve universe.
Rast's scheme will generate a lot of press. People who don't play Eve will go "Wow, he can do that in a video game?" in amazement at the value of the haul. The GHSC assasination, however, will go down as a masterpiece of gaming. ISK value has noting to do with the class and mastery of infiltration displayed.
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Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
I doubt anyone really remembers that Verisum Family wants to have Golan demoted, nor do they care.
We did? I thought the Order of St. Tetrimon wanted Golan Trevize demoted...
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Posted - 2006.08.30 01:57:00 -
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The GHSC heist was what got me into playing EVE. Before I got my trial, I spent ages reading the thread and found it absolutely mindblowing that it was possible to do something so precise as this within a game, using the game mechanics. It was of Goodfellas proportions.
EIB in comparison, even though it was a lot of money, was just a scam. It was just someone cheating a bunch of people out of their ISK - not something that would make me want to play. Plus the person who did it brought real-life issues into it and spread rumours about himself, including one that he had died and made quite a few people feel bad. It's just not cool to do that IMHO.
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.30 02:08:00 -
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GHSC is what made me play EVE.
EIB scam is just a cheap confidence act. It's like any pyramid scheme or diet pill you see on TV. Fake testimonials and all.
The really sad thing is that he, or a real banker, could of made a lot more ISK in the long run by operating a legit bank. Now that this has happened, no one will ever trust another player owned bank.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
GHSC is what made me play EVE.
Brilliant link, Tarquin. I'm going to have a good read of the scans.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.08.30 13:34:00 -
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Thanks for the kind words, fellas ;)
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BranBresil
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.30 14:14:00 -
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Yeah,I have to say,GHSC wins hands-down, no comparison whatsoever. As everyone has stated before, it boils down to class and intent. Their operation was by far the slicker, and whereas the EIB nonsense essentially involved taking some modest sums from a whole lot of different people, the GHSC successfully crippled a corp. Not to say that corp was or is beyond repair, but they faced a far more serious setback than any individual player who happened to have set a side some cash in the EIB as a nice little side investment.
GHSC's was by far the more daring, well-executed, and damaging of the two.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.30 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 30/08/2006 14:29:56
EIB isn't over yet. It remains to be seen what the future holds for it but the current owners are touting it as a going concern.
For me the 'greatness' of EIB depends on when it became a scam. Cally has claimed that it didn't start out that way in which case I'd be less impressed. If it started out legitimate and if it is now continuing legitimately then all Cally has done is steal some money.
People might suffer from that but it isn't a scam in my books. Just embezzlement.
Edit:Oh and the bit about bringing RL stuff into the game was tacky.
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NTRabbit
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.08.30 18:21:00 -
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I've still yet to see any real proof that the final amount scammed was anywhere close to the continually expanding figure - out to 900 billion in the most recent revision - that has been touted by the perpetrator and pundits alike.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.30 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
both of them suck compared to what Nightfreeze accomplished.
Assuming that it's not fiction, which it could be, I disagree. The Nightfreeze scam just involved using lots of alots, and lots of morons.
The GHSC hit (which Istvaan always gets the credit for, and nobody ever mentions the operatives who spent the year infiltrating) wasn't done through alts, or anomaously. People knew who they were, and they were truly conned in a way that few, if any, have repeated.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.30 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Professional Troll
EIB, simply because it made the News.
Random blog sites don't count. HAving several pages in one of the largest gaming magizines in the world, does.
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Ravenal
The Fated
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Posted - 2006.08.30 19:55:00 -
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I say EIB is a lie - never happened (at least not in the isk amounts boasted about)
has any of the reporters actually double checked with ccp that this gamers claims are actually true? Havent seen a single "ccp confirms" in any of the news articles.
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JP Moregain
Gallente
Moregain Guaranty Trust
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Posted - 2006.08.30 20:02:00 -
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Yes the GHSC incident also inspired me to play the game, not because 'I want to be like them' but because they demonstrated the depth of the game with finesse...
GHSC = Class
EIB = ***
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Dentara Rast
Satan's Plague
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Posted - 2006.08.30 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dentara Rast on 30/08/2006 20:11:51
The GHSC heist was hollywood material, mine wasn't.
Im not interested in being in a magazine, or being remembered for what I did because in 6 months time you will hopefully have forgotten all about this and I can do it again
Purpose of my score
1. get me rich
2. take as little time as possible
3. annoy as many people as I could in the process
3 outta 3 for me.
1. 790b net worth (671b ISK and 120b in tech 2 BPO's)
2. Taken me 119 Days to accumalate that score
3. Most of EVE would like to see me die a horrible death
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Those who make it happen,
those who watch it happen,
and those who wonder WHAT
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JP Moregain
Gallente
Moregain Guaranty Trust
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Posted - 2006.08.30 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dentara Rast
Edited by: Dentara Rast on 30/08/2006 20:11:51
Im not interested in being in a magazine, or being remembered for what I did because in 6 months time you will hopefully have forgotten all about this and I can do it again
Yet you keep posting and reminding us that you don't want the attention...
Best Regards,
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Posted - 2006.08.30 20:19:00 -
[51]
GHSC assassination was some kind of art, although I don't want to be the victim, because it must have been really cruel for the victim. At least a great story, if you aren't the victim.
The EIB was 'cheap'. If the 700bil is true, it's only shocking that so many people gave him that much. I don't applaud the scammer and don't feel with the victims.
I think scamming should be possible, but the risk-vs-reward is totally out of proportion in the EIB scam, no accountability and a chance that the scammer just tries to make real money with it. The most negative example for a scam. I wouldn't care, if CCP had removed/detroyed 90% of his isk to bring it back into proportion again.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 20:48:00 -
[52]
Can anyone point me to a copy of the Nightfreeze narrative. I had a link, but it doesn't work anymore. I was so well written and entertaining that, even if it didn't actually happen, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 21:39:00 -
[53]
GHSC for me too please
I think it caused more of an uproar (I was in uproar too despite it having nothing to do with me  ) and struck fear in the hearts of many because it could happen to anyone. Whereas the scam depended on people giving up their money in the first place.
The heist was harder to do and handled with more style imo.
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Gonada
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.30 22:33:00 -
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first of all, anyone if they were lame enough, rotten inside enough could have done the eib scam. totally.
all you do is lie, lie, gain trust, lie, lie, steal, gloat.
thank god theres more honest, normal people out there than him.
in the end, he'll have a braggin right, a " ya remeber that guy that embezzled ISK in EVE, that was me" kinda guy, but really, just proves to me that if he has to do this in order to feel self gratification, then I almost feel sorry for him, locked in the depression of his sad life, with only a videogame for solace.
that boy almost needsa a hug :P
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Satan's Plague
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:11:00 -
[55]
I find it amusing that people think im some sad individual with no life  .
"lets attack dentara in his personal life because he stole imaginary money from people!!" BOO HOO! WOE IS ME!! NO ONE LOVES ME!!!
Did you ever stop to think that I MAY be an honest person in RL and chose to be a nasty bastard in EVE because im roleplaying a villain?
Since we are taking wild guesses at who is behind certain character in EVE I will hazard a guess that the majority of those who have made personal attacks on me (hello Ferossa!!) are 35-40 years old, still living with their parents, have only ever had sex with their hand or a blow up sheep, have all the star wars figures in their original packaging, love star trek, collects comic books, and grow weed to supplement their dole payments each week.
C'mon guys you seen me right? Aint I just adorable!! Dont I look like a guy you would trust with your life savings??. In fact guys, my life couldnt be better
Ive been dating a glamour model for the past 5 years, I have 2 sucessful businesses, recently (friday just gone) bought a Subaru Impretza  , and just put a ú12k deposit on my new house.
Yarr!!!
Get back to your basement trolls  and try not to type on your keyboard too hard, you will wake your parents.
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Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:20:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Dentara Rast
IDid you ever stop to think that I MAY be an honest person in RL and chose to be a nasty bastard in EVE because im roleplaying a villain?
Yes, but then I saw your video, now I know you're just an ass in general.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:35:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Death Kill
EIB>GHSC
Simply for the fact that Dentara used less effort and got more isk.
Who would bother going through all that trouble of becoming someones friend over a year or so just to rip them off....apart from that ista-something guy?
One word...
Style.
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Amarr
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:50:00 -
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Guiding Hand Social Club was and is the stuff of legend.
The fact that we still compare any instance of corp theft or scamming to what they accomplished says it all, really.
For me, the GHSC heist is the heart of EvE = ruthless, sadistic, meticulous, and classy.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Echelon
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:55:00 -
[59]
After i read about the GHSC operation in PCG i convod Istvaan to congratulate him personally... i was just amazed at what they had done.. kept me playing .
After i heard about the EIB scam.. i laughed at my freind for investing
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Posted - 2006.08.31 00:05:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Verone on 31/08/2006 00:05:10
Originally by: Dentara Rast
I find it amusing that people think im some sad individual with no life .
"lets attack dentara in his personal life because he stole imaginary money from people!!" BOO HOO! WOE IS ME!! NO ONE LOVES ME!!!
Did you ever stop to think that I MAY be an honest person in RL and chose to be a nasty bastard in EVE because im roleplaying a villain?
Since we are taking wild guesses at who is behind certain character in EVE I will hazard a guess that the majority of those who have made personal attacks on me (hello Ferossa!!) are 35-40 years old, still living with their parents, have only ever had sex with their hand or a blow up sheep, have all the star wars figures in their original packaging, love star trek, collects comic books, and grow weed to supplement their dole payments each week.
C'mon guys you seen me right? Aint I just adorable!! Dont I look like a guy you would trust with your life savings??. In fact guys, my life couldnt be better
Ive been dating a glamour model for the past 5 years, I have 2 sucessful businesses, recently (friday just gone) bought a Subaru Impretza , and just put a ú12k deposit on my new house.
Yarr!!!
Get back to your basement trolls and try not to type on your keyboard too hard, you will wake your parents.
Edit : btw... for a car you just bought, you don't seem to know much about it... it's spelled "Impreza".
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Posted - 2006.08.31 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dentara Rast
I find it amusing that people think im some sad individual with no life .
"lets attack dentara in his personal life because he stole imaginary money from people!!" BOO HOO! WOE IS ME!! NO ONE LOVES ME!!!
Did you ever stop to think that I MAY be an honest person in RL and chose to be a nasty bastard in EVE because im roleplaying a villain?
Since we are taking wild guesses at who is behind certain character in EVE I will hazard a guess that the majority of those who have made personal attacks on me (hello Ferossa!!) are 35-40 years old, still living with their parents, have only ever had sex with their hand or a blow up sheep, have all the star wars figures in their original packaging, love star trek, collects comic books, and grow weed to supplement their dole payments each week.
C'mon guys you seen me right? Aint I just adorable!! Dont I look like a guy you would trust with your life savings??. In fact guys, my life couldnt be better
Ive been dating a glamour model for the past 5 years, I have 2 sucessful businesses, recently (friday just gone) bought a Subaru Impretza , and just put a ú12k deposit on my new house.
Yarr!!!
Get back to your basement trolls and try not to type on your keyboard too hard, you will wake your parents.
Err I've always wanted to do this whole "my two cents" thing so here goes.
You did make a video about this stuff(which made me lol anyways)
So you not only
A. Have no class
B. Failed the Interwebs and
C. Care what complete strangers over the internet think!
ggs!!!
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Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.31 00:49:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Thanks for the kind words, fellas ;)
Liking the ego-stroking Istvaan? I would have thought the interview from NewScientist would have been enough :P
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Echelon
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Posted - 2006.08.31 00:57:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Michiyo Daishi
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Thanks for the kind words, fellas ;)
Liking the ego-stroking Istvaan? I would have thought the interview from NewScientist would have been enough :P
he never gets enough
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Posted - 2006.08.31 02:01:00 -
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My corp had a run-in with Istvaan and his crew before the Ubiquita Seraph takedown. Contrary to what many have written, I found them to be crude and lacking any form of class. What they had in spades was style (wholly separate from what I would term class). They were powerfully effective in destroying the one thing which makes a corp work: trust. By turning one of our most involved and active corpmates, and convincing him to rob our hangars, the corp was shaken to the core. Many members left in the immediate aftermath. It certainly made an impact we would not forget (the only war of many I can think of which meets that criteria). The same style was on display later in the much more spectacular, sophisticated and altogether impressive Ubiquita Seraph incident.
EIB merely took advantage of willing victims. It is merely one instance of countless events proving daily that "the stupid shall be punished." There was no worthy adversary, there was no powerful lesson, it had little to no impact on the most important feature in the game (player relationships). It is only fleetingly distinguished by its scale, soon to be displaced by a higher scam value as ISK inflation makes such numbers even more meaningless than they are today. EIB's only value within the Eve Canon is that it briefly inspired its own comparison with GH-SC's exploits, and in the course of doing so restoring to consciousness what achievements are possible when diligent effort, understanding of human behavior, and nefarious vision are applied to a challenging mission. I can only wonder with trepidation what sinister plot Istvaan and his band of wicked podpilots are advancing today.
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Gallente
Phantom Squad
iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.01 11:20:00 -
[65]
790 billion isk wts myself into slavery
thx btw for link to gh-sc heist, fun reading
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The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.01 18:25:00 -
[66]
"The GHSC had style. The GHSC had class."
Let's be honest, what the GHSC had was an excellent article written about them in PC Gamer, which made the story come alive and sound very cool. Like a lot of people, that's where I first heard about Eve and it piqued my interest.
The EIB? People hear that a guy made a big pyramid scheme that scammed billions. Not quite as inspiring. Would people feel the same way about the GHSC if they simply heard about the heist in such a bland way?
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The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.01 19:11:00 -
[67]
Dentara, quit reading the forums and read your eve-mail you big nub!
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IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2006.09.01 19:27:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Otangka
GHSC is what pulled me into EvE
EIB is what will drive me out of it..
so low and crappy..besides that Rats guy cant even create a decent character...(with his evil eye's )
Spot on, i joined eve after reading about the GHSC scam in a magazine, I know this made alot of other people join cuz of it too, now if it was the EIB scam in the magazine ide have thought jeez what a crap game and flipped the page.
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:05:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Dentara Rast
I find it amusing that people think im some sad individual with no life .
"lets attack dentara in his personal life because he stole imaginary money from people!!" BOO HOO! WOE IS ME!! NO ONE LOVES ME!!!
Did you ever stop to think that I MAY be an honest person in RL and chose to be a nasty bastard in EVE because im roleplaying a villain?
Since we are taking wild guesses at who is behind certain character in EVE I will hazard a guess that the majority of those who have made personal attacks on me (hello Ferossa!!) are 35-40 years old, still living with their parents, have only ever had sex with their hand or a blow up sheep, have all the star wars figures in their original packaging, love star trek, collects comic books, and grow weed to supplement their dole payments each week.
C'mon guys you seen me right? Aint I just adorable!! Dont I look like a guy you would trust with your life savings??. In fact guys, my life couldnt be better
Ive been dating a glamour model for the past 5 years, I have 2 sucessful businesses, recently (friday just gone) bought a Subaru Impretza , and just put a ú12k deposit on my new house.
Yarr!!!
Get back to your basement trolls and try not to type on your keyboard too hard, you will wake your parents.
Wow, I really thought you might have been a cool guy in real life until you made this post. No one on this thread even made a direct attack on your personal life, yet you are so quick to defend it. Actually, I think the first personal insults towards real life people on this thread came from you.
Does your "glamour model" girlfriend (not that I believe you have one) know that you faked your own death in order to trick people? If she does and still dates you, she is probably a ditz and wouldn't be that fun of person to date anyways.
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Amarr
Criss Cross
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:22:00 -
[70]
GHSC ftw... it's the best scam/backstab i have heard of in an online game.
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Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:33:00 -
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As the OP ask Quote:
Which one was a bigger event? I know that EIB garnered more isk.
SO far GHSC. Seems like a lot of people joined becasue of it.
I would agree that the GHSC had style not sure about the class.
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Zeraph Dregamon
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.09.02 11:00:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Zeraph Dregamon on 02/09/2006 11:05:03
Our soldiers can be a bit crude sometimes, yes
Coddling our victims isn't really their business.
Being polite and respectful towards those we were hired to demoralize and exterminate isn't high on our list of priorities unless we're cultivating a Judas or encouraging them to fold, when the situation calls for it I think you'll find GH-SC can be a pretty classy bunch
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Yarek Balear
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.02 11:10:00 -
[73]
If the EIB scam had been left as it was (a successful scam) then I'd have had problems choosing between the two.
The fact that Dentara Rast had to make a video, stroking his p33n and talking about how hard he is in RL being up for GBH or some such s*** just makes it laughable tbh and that's why people are attacking his personality out of game. It's further supported by the sad "ooh, look what car I have" and "i'm about to own my own house" arguments for further p33n strokeage.
The GHSC was a contract fulfilled that while it may have left a bitter taste in people's mouths, someone else was paying to put that taste there so fair play to em...
GHSC gets my vote by a mile...
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Trizna
Gallente
Phantom Squad
iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:27:00 -
[74]
Yeah that video wasn't cool 
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:19:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Dentara Rast
I find it amusing that people think im some sad individual with no life .
"lets attack dentara in his personal life because he stole imaginary money from people!!" BOO HOO! WOE IS ME!! NO ONE LOVES ME!!!
Did you ever stop to think that I MAY be an honest person in RL and chose to be a nasty bastard in EVE because im roleplaying a villain?
Since we are taking wild guesses at who is behind certain character in EVE I will hazard a guess that the majority of those who have made personal attacks on me (hello Ferossa!!) are 35-40 years old, still living with their parents, have only ever had sex with their hand or a blow up sheep, have all the star wars figures in their original packaging, love star trek, collects comic books, and grow weed to supplement their dole payments each week.
C'mon guys you seen me right? Aint I just adorable!! Dont I look like a guy you would trust with your life savings??. In fact guys, my life couldnt be better
Ive been dating a glamour model for the past 5 years, I have 2 sucessful businesses, recently (friday just gone) bought a Subaru Impretza , and just put a ú12k deposit on my new house.
Yarr!!!
Get back to your basement trolls and try not to type on your keyboard too hard, you will wake your parents.
Besides being called Impreza it is also the favourite car of people dating glamour models.... lol.... You are a sad person indeed, and somewhat i get the feeling that you are one of those basement trolls you are talking about...
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LittleTerror
Caldari
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:39:00 -
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Wow he certainly did anger some people, onos my isk is stolen !11!!1
I'm lucky to make 30 mill a week let alone a day, currently i'm making a bit more but thats due to fixing my security status but once thats done i'l be laughing my ass off riping corperations apart in empire.
Theres more to eve than just having billions of isk.
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Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:44:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
GHSC is what made me play EVE.
ditto. 
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Amarr
Templarii Holdings
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:27:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Godagast Goudiyah on 05/09/2006 16:33:38
So now Dentara is talking about his car, his glamorous girlfriend and his house payments? Oh dear, oh dear. How shallow can you get.
The EIB scam could have been cool, it could have had mystique, but with all the embarassing narcissism, video confessions and attention-seeking on the forums, he's thrown that away. Precisely the reason why most people rate GHSC higher, myself included. Really, I was pretty excited when the EIB story broke, and I thought it was a good achievement, as frauds go. A good story for sure. Now, though, with the never-ending "look at me, look at me" self-promotion, it's just pathetic.
To the next would-be villain: execute your plan, simply say "I scammed you!", and walk away. No big monologues, no drama. People will think you are a genius. Or, if you choose not to reveal your identity at all, you'll have them speculating for ages about who actually did this. Either way, it will become myth.
But whatever you do, don't post about your real life *car*, for Chrissakes. That's just pitiful.
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Nomina Sacra Sapientia
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:15:00 -
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from his accent in that vid he sounds like he lives in my area.....pointless info but surprised me anyway
but hey, i think its funny. scamming is part of the game, its a role play and as in rl, you get scammers.
GG i say :)
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:31:00 -
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Quote:
C'mon guys you seen me right? Aint I just adorable!! Dont I look like a guy you would trust with your life savings??YARRRR!!. In fact guys, my life couldnt be better Smile.
Ive been dating a glamour model for the past 5 years, I have 2 sucessful businesses, recently (friday just gone) bought a Subaru Impretza Shocked, and just put a ú12k deposit on my new houseRolling Eyes.
The ROFLcopter is heading your way!
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Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:40:00 -
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It is at least nice to know that I have much more wealth than Dentara Rast will ever see.
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Zeraph Dregamon
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.09.06 09:56:00 -
[82]
lucky you
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.06 10:14:00 -
[83]
Its pretty simple.
GHSC didn't lie about what they stole, EIB did.
GHSC had a classy forum post announcing their success. EIB had a miserable video made by someone with no talent and no technical skill whatsoever. I could probably do better with my cameraphone.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 10:55:00 -
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You guys still rambling on about this?
Cripes, you got scammed, get over it. No different than playing the lottery or blowing some cash in Vegas on whatever suites your fancy. The guy who ran EIB did a wonderful job of herding cows and milking them for what he could get. Even more hilarious was the fact you were told during the transition that is was a scam and you didn't believe it. That was even after the obvious clues indicating that it was indeed a scam. For crying out loud, do you want CCP to put a hold on your isk wallets so you can't get scammed so badly?
Anyhow, on topic, Snatch has class. Enough said for those in the know. DS, you know what I am talking about so you can relate.
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Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:31:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/09/2006 11:32:10
Originally by: DropZone 187
You guys still rambling on about this?
Cripes, you got scammed, get over it. No different than playing the lottery or blowing some cash in Vegas on whatever suites your fancy. The guy who ran EIB did a wonderful job of herding cows and milking them for what he could get. Even more hilarious was the fact you were told during the transition that is was a scam and you didn't believe it. That was even after the obvious clues indicating that it was indeed a scam. For crying out loud, do you want CCP to put a hold on your isk wallets so you can't get scammed so badly?
Anyhow, on topic, Snatch has class. Enough said for those in the know. DS, you know what I am talking about so you can relate.
Actually, Snatch did some e-peen stroking about the heist except he did it on forums for another game. Even then, he did it in a humerous way and never took it to far, unlike the EIB scammer. All the EIB scammer had to do is keep his mouth shut and let the hype win the PR battle for him. Insted, he did the reverse.
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Trizna
Gallente
Phantom Squad
iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:27:00 -
[86]
Snatch ?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:12:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Trizna
Snatch ?
If you dont know what his name in eve is, then that is enough said :)
Though I am pretty sure he has a alt called Macro Media in my opinion
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Nybbas
A Place for Valen
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:23:00 -
[88]
Waratron comes from a game called shattered galaxy if im not mistaken, and we all know this "snatch" character very well hahaha
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:24:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Nybbas
Waratron comes from a game called shattered galaxy if im not mistaken, and we all know this "snatch" character very well hahaha
Snatch, Hellgremlin, Istvaan Shogaatsu... all the same to me
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Originally by: DB Preacher
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.07 10:10:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Nybbas
Waratron comes from a game called shattered galaxy if im not mistaken, and we all know this "snatch" character very well hahaha
Heh indeed. Shattered Galaxy is one of the few games where everybody knew everybody. With that said, its been a year since I last played it, so I can only assume someone in the regiment is taking good care of my multi-reinc charactor.
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