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Xanos Blackpaw
Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:46:00 -
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Its not quite out yet, but from what i have heard and seen so far this expansion is going up as Best Expansion Ever to me.
Who is with me?! |
Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:50:00 -
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Despite all the incoming awesome, Crucible still doesn't hold a candle to Revelations and Trinity. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
1268
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:56:00 -
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Let's wait until it hits the server, before giving these accolades.
My bet: Best since spring 09.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
159
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:59:00 -
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Quantum Rise with the great speed nerf did tons more for balance and variety than Crutch will .. most of what has been announced is cosmetic in nature with a few long overdue tweaks thrown in.
The tier3 BCs are added because CCP need to close the book on the art competition fiasco and because they would never be able to sell it as an "expansion" with just UI, graphical and a few balance tweaks.
Unless they pull a life-threateningly obese rabbit out in the 11th hour Crutch will probably go down as one of the most hollow albeit desired patches - pardon me, expansions - in history. The biggest thing about it is that it represents CCP's acknowledgement of FiS being the ever important foundation upon which everything must rest. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
97
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:59:00 -
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Im a dragon hunter |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
141
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:07:00 -
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Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. |
Liam Mirren
25
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:12:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque.
This is very much true. Having said that the vast majority of players have been chiming for an "iteration expansion" for a long while now, so if CCP manages to do exactly that we can't then say "meh, no new stuff, sucks".
To me this expansion very much depends on the hybrids rebalancing, if they manage to make them viable I'll be very happy. So far though, what we've seen on Sisi, this is not the case and in fact they gave Minmatar some more boosts compared to Gallente.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
500
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:15:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque.
I was so sure this would be another Apocrypha.
I like that this expansion has some good stuff in it but I wish it was an Apocrypha.
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Jack Sparroxx
TURN LEFT
3
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:18:00 -
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Crucible is hardly anything I'd call an "expansion". IMO the only new real thing they have added to to game is the tier 3 BC's. So can Crucible be called the best ever expansion ever since it's not really an expansion, F*** no.
However CCP is buffing, tweaking alot of things in the game, and I give them massive props for gitting their heads out of thier asses. And there is PLENTY more stuff to do to tweak allready implemented stuff in EVE. And lets be honest, CCP havn't tuched the core isues of game mechanics and content at all(null sec, low sec, FW etc etc.) BUT Crucible and with the added attitude change from CCP, that definately bought CCP enough time for a massive overhaul in the "expansion" coming after the Crucible.
Keep it up CCP, I have hopes in you again, and dont slack off.
And I think CCP is going to have a hard time beating Red Moon rising, Trinity and Apocrypha. Though I'd like them to give it a try |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
873
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:35:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque.
They stated that before the jita protests/unsub autumn scared the holy bejesus out of Hilmar and the accounts department.
After having seen what the players "do" (rather than what they "say when unhappy) I fully expect Apocrypha scale expansions to be back on the table because frankly - unless CCP commit to this kind of development on the core game then they will end up with no money for anything else regardless.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
873
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:38:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. I was so sure this would be another Apocrypha. I like that this expansion has some good stuff in it but I wish it was an Apocrypha.
Crucible is a tournequet patch on the sucking chest wound that was NeXCarna and a neccessary step in saving Eve from bleeding out in a dark ally.
The importance of this patch is not really its feature set but the demonstration that CCP have listened to what we the players "do" (when we're unhappy) and have committed to return to proper development and support of Eve Online.
Now the future needs to hold several Apocrypha scale expansions at 6 month intervals to return Eve Online to subscriber growth and get things back to where they were before the :18 months: of MT/NeX/Sellout insanity.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Captain Octanis
modro
ROMANIAN-LEGION
5
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:01:00 -
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i cant wait for the new nebulae to come out! They look awesome- something to gaze at while mining/ratting |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers
Chained Reactions
20
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:05:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:After having seen what the players "do" (rather than what they "say
Are people still butthurt about that quote? Because honestly I never understood why. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
873
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:06:00 -
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Revajin wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:After having seen what the players "do" (rather than what they "say
Are people still butthurt about that quote? Because honestly I never understood why.
I'm not sure its "butthurt" really. Was just a challenge that got accepted 
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
202
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:34:00 -
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Apocrypha 
I didn't play before it so can't say if there was beter one pefore it.  |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:35:00 -
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Best expansion since I started playing  |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1712
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Posted - 2011.11.28 12:02:00 -
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Apocrypha will probably end up being better, from an expansion standpoint. However, Crucible will most likely be the most surprising expansion with the most GÇ£wow, neat!GÇ¥-factor in a very long time.
But then again, this expansions is all about annoyances, rather than about real content (although we're getting some of that as well), that It's somehow not on the same scale GÇö comparing the two would kind of miss the point.
So, best? No.
Most satisfying? Quite possibly, yes.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
417
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Posted - 2011.11.28 13:28:00 -
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Cruicible will shut up all those people asking for a bug fix expansion for one whole expansion.
They'll go back to whining about needing another bug fix expansion quickly enough though.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
1001
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Posted - 2011.11.28 13:52:00 -
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RMR.
Will tomorrow change that...?
/c
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Vincent Gaines
175
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Posted - 2011.11.28 13:56:00 -
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Chribba wrote:RMR.
Will tomorrow change that...?
/c
This was RMR
Apocrypha is still the expansion that all others are compared to. |
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
26
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Posted - 2011.11.28 14:02:00 -
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Take out the new BCs and this 'expansion' is pretty light. Apocrypha was the best imo. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
221
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:10:00 -
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they best we'e had in 3 years. it fixes nothing balance-wise, but it shows that they are kinda sorta working on it. |
Zleon Leigh
32
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:14:00 -
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PI nerf and FINALLY getting around to fixing a PILE of annoying bugs - thumbs down.
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:30:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Take out the new BCs and this 'expansion' is pretty light. Apocrypha was the best imo.
well question is, what exactly can you add to an game without breaking it after Apocrypha ?
If they find the way to add dozen of things, new things and find reason to do so, then ..
But the reason is no longer there, it has been added before, now its time to make it spotless... I guess
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e eek'd
EVIL PLANKTON
3
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:37:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Chribba wrote:RMR.
Will tomorrow change that...?
/c This was RMRApocrypha is still the expansion that all others are compared to.
Apocrypha and quantum rise are the only ones that gave the pvp anything to cheer for. RmR = lol on all those fixas and patch upgrades. And it did kill the roaming style gangs that were present before caps came into play :/ |
mkint
401
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:39:00 -
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Ever? No. Far better than the last 4 though.
I'm more interested in the summer expansion because where in winter we are getting sizzle in summer we should be getting steak. Still beats the flacid grey veggies we have been getting. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
364
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:40:00 -
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Jack Sparroxx wrote:Crucible is hardly anything I'd call an "expansion". IMO the only new real thing they have added to to game is the tier 3 BC's. So can Crucible be called the best ever expansion ever since it's not really an expansion, F*** no.
About this, rebalancing isn't exactly expansion content.
4 battlecruisers that don't really have a lot to add and some updated graphics, of which some are back from being removed. Not my idea if I hear the word "expansion".
But well Captain's Quarters and PI Minigame clickfests weren't either. I guess I'm just too spoilt or demanding. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
247
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Let's wait until it hits the server, before giving these accolades.
I am going to support this. Judge the expansion and our efforts only after you have seen and discovered all the changes and new things. Blindly judging something is rarely a good thing, therefore I would like to point you to the patch notes as first step.
In the end I am pretty sure that you will be excited about all the small and large things we have changed and are going to introduce.  And there are indeed a lot of things!
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Tore Vest
Vikinghall
97
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:57:00 -
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shackdavid
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
2
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:02:00 -
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Quote:
Patch Notes wrote:
Time Dilation
Due to the dangerous nature of altering the fabric of spacetime in such ways, the feature will be turned on at a slightly later date.
Crucible has already failed those of us waiting for the lag fix, if a date had been specified in a with a reasonable time period then I would not have an issue with this delay. |
mkint
401
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:06:00 -
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Also note that this expansion will make pi less viable and even more soul crushing. Massive buffs to suicide ganking. Nullsec even more tightly controlled by ccp rmt friends. Pos ownership for small entities being massively nerfed including filling up every public manufacturing slot in the game. The good stuff is just sizzle. The bad stuff is really really bad. And all gameplay changes being among the bad. |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
67
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:08:00 -
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I agree with Tippia and Jade on most points.
Slade
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Arklight Project
Fade 2 Black
9
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:12:00 -
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I don't think Crucible will be the big hit. I really really like the many small things to be improved and some new bling bling tier 3 BCs. The new nebuales are pretty, and really improve the immersion.
However there are still hundreds of annoyences which should be fixed, and I wonder if CCP will go for another big content patch for the summer expansion, leaving the road to make Eve a better game, instead introducing more monocles.
Especially the new player owned custom offices and the fuel blocks for POSs are, well in my opinion, useless.
I lold, it doesn't make fueling POSs much easier, you still have to manufacture those fuel blocks and that introcuces an extra step. Sure you can easily see how many hours the pos will last by the count of fuel blocks in the hanger, I still find the fuel tab in pos management more convenient, as expresses duration in days not in hours only. In addition to that fuel consumption and total maintenance of POSs is increased now that utilization of CPU and PG is always at 100%.
The new custom offices just add additional cost to players doing PI, especially in wormholes. There's not grace period as far as I understand the new system. So, again, some people fighting over things in the non hisec systems, which is already the case, but does it really add to the game? CCP should have sold this by improving the PI UI, which is still painful to use(Ever used the duration slider?).
EDIT:
Apocrypha was a great expansion. Best thing I've seen in years! |
Handsome Hussein
132
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:16:00 -
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From my POV Crucible is the best expansion ever (even if it's not on TQ yet). But then, I've only experienced one expansion so far, and I wouldn't even call it an expansion; did nothing for the game.
Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
1099
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:23:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque.
It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships.
I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE 
CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Denidil
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
216
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:30:00 -
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shackdavid wrote:Quote:
Patch Notes wrote:
Time Dilation
Due to the dangerous nature of altering the fabric of spacetime in such ways, the feature will be turned on at a slightly later date.
Crucible has already failed those of us waiting for the lag fix, if a date had been specified in a with a reasonable time period then I would not have an issue with this delay.
that note in the patch notes probably means they did some lag reducing optimizations and they want to see how they perform before they turn on TD. they'll probably turn on TD in two or three weeks. keep your ******* panties on.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
30
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:33:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
I like this and agree with it. I've been holding off on too much praise until I actually see the expansion, but the way CCP has been dealing with issues lately just isn't the same. Fixing small things 0_o what happened to the old CCP and where did you hide all the bodies?! It seems like there has been a 180 degree change in direction, and I'm more excited than ever to see what this means for the future. Again, trying to hold off on praise until I see tangible results, but I hope this effort continues, I'm loving whats happening so far.
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The Crimson Invaider
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
17
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:33:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships. I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
At fanfest will there be a CCP guard throwing competition? |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
500
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:35:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships. I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
Can I hug your brain for a little while.
Just wrap my arms around it an dream.
...please |
Neok Skywalker
Galactic Defence Consortium
United Pod Service
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:36:00 -
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I am pretty sure after this expansion there will be a lot of imbalances. So again what will come next is nerfing this and that. Mostly for PI and for the new ships which are overpowered imho and make other ships useless.
Balance is most important. And its not easy to do that. You can do it only with small steps.
And the next expansion will be a huge step which for sure will inbalance a lot.
And taking back chocolate from players always isnt fun. Not to mention the frustration of Mothership pilots. They will hate this expansion. |
mkint
401
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:44:00 -
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Neok Skywalker wrote:I am pretty sure after this expansion there will be a lot of imbalances. So again what will come next is nerfing this and that. Mostly for PI and for the new ships which are overpowered imho and make other ships useless.
Balance is most important. And its not easy to do that. You can do it only with small steps.
And the next expansion will be a huge step which for sure will inbalance a lot.
And taking back chocolate from players always isnt fun. Not to mention the frustration of Mothership pilots. They will hate this expansion.
Good. They've been ruining eve for long enough. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
97
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:49:00 -
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mkint wrote:
Good. They've been ruining eve for long enough.
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:50:00 -
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So what's this PI nerf that ppl are talking about?
I just saw this and it made me happy : We have boosted the bandwidth of links to be 10 times bigger to deal with the hassle of constantly upgrading them.
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Tear Miner
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:51:00 -
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A lot of this thread continually confirms that the majority of Eve forum poasters are whiney spoiled brats or trolls or most likely both.
It's plainly obvious to those who aren't trolling or aren't so disconnected from reality, that CCP has done a 180 on Eve in the right direction. Iteration is a good thing, you guys should try playing every aspect of Eve before you cry about not enough new features. Run a corp or run multiple POS's, or do both, you'll go insane by the amount of tedium involved, but CCP is starting to make headway in that direction, as well as many others, that signals to me how srs they are about Eve. There's expansions worth of iteration left to do in Eve, and it's finally happening.
For less than two months of work, from what I've seen on SiSi, is nothing short of impressive, and this has been mentioned quietly before in the thread: think of all the awesomeness they can get into a proper cycle of development. Until then, keep Glenn Becking it up here on the forums with your crybaby, rabble rousing posts. |
Rattus Norwegius
2
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:52:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
Yeah, me too. Assuming you don't delete too many important files on my computer, or make graphics cards rip themselves out of their sockets and run off in fear, this patch promises to be a greater improvement to EVE than any I have experienced, Apocrypha included.
It might not introduce that much new stuff to play with, but it makes A LOT! of the old stuff less annoying and more fun. \o/
And lets face it, EVE really needed getting its pipes flushed, oil changed and pixel rust scrubbed. Lots of new and not-so-new players were less than impressed by the bugs, inconsistencies, flaws and "Huh!-moments" they encountered, and then being met by "LOL! You must be new here!" by all the older players when wondering if CCP was going to fix, a non-trivial amount of them left. This expansion won't attract hordes of new shiny-eyed players, but it will make a difference in making more players stay. And less bitter older players will also make new players feel slightly more welcome. Possibly. 
Also, as a Gallente player, suddenly a whole new world of midslots opens up, that can be used for something else than cap recharge..
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mkint
401
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:55:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:So what's this PI nerf that ppl are talking about?
I just saw this and it made me happy : We have boosted the bandwidth of links to be 10 times bigger to deal with the hassle of constantly upgrading them.
Pocos are turning all lowsec pi unviable all wspace pi impractical and all nullsec pi alliance approved only. And all highsec pi more expensive. |
Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
7
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:55:00 -
[47] - Quote
Sadly not the best expansion ever, as a missile user this game adds nothing new for me to use :( |
DeLaBu
FireStar Inc
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
I think this will be the most loved non-expansion ever.
I haven't seen so many little things bring so much joy to so many in so little time!
To be fair, just because we can't point to one major point of expansion, doesn't make all the small but significant expansionlets count up to nothing!
I would be very happy if CCP switches from two major expansions a year, to one major and one papercuts expansion every year.
Expand, enhance, Expand, enhance.... |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
mkint wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:So what's this PI nerf that ppl are talking about?
I just saw this and it made me happy : We have boosted the bandwidth of links to be 10 times bigger to deal with the hassle of constantly upgrading them.
Pocos are turning all lowsec pi unviable all wspace pi impractical and all nullsec pi alliance approved only. And all highsec pi more expensive.
I see. Well I only do hi-sec PI so POCOs don't affect me. Then again if less people in lo-sec do PI, my hi-sec PI becomes more profitable because of higher demand :) |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
109
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:05:00 -
[50] - Quote
The new bling is cool, to be sure.
However, running my little highsec manufacturing gig just got more expensive (because of PI), and adding an extra step into feuling my POS is a bit annoying (although I can understand how this makes life easier for the bigtime operators). Lowsec PI seems like a waste of time now as well, and that used to be a fun minigame dodging pirates.
Maybe the new shiny stuff will offset these annoyances somewhat. |
JagerJake
Rapalje
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:06:00 -
[51] - Quote
Chribba wrote:RMR.
Will tomorrow change that...?
/c
indeed RMR then apocrappa.
tomorrow is a expansion of the papercuts solving kind which is also very nice but no drastic changes im my view |
mkint
401
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:08:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:mkint wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:So what's this PI nerf that ppl are talking about?
I just saw this and it made me happy : We have boosted the bandwidth of links to be 10 times bigger to deal with the hassle of constantly upgrading them.
Pocos are turning all lowsec pi unviable all wspace pi impractical and all nullsec pi alliance approved only. And all highsec pi more expensive. I see. Well I only do hi-sec PI so POCOs don't affect me. Then again if less people in lo-sec do PI, my hi-sec PI becomes more profitable because of higher demand :)
Or your planets get overcrowded by people stepping in to meet the supply shortages. And don't forget it will cost you twice as much to do as before. No one benefits from these changes except griefers and dusters (also griefers.) |
Vincent Gaines
175
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
Alexandros Balfros wrote:Sadly not the best expansion ever, as a missile user this game adds nothing new for me to use :(
Your tears are delicious. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
221
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:11:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships. I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
great to hear this. i hope you guys get around to putting an end to Winmatar and Drake online. im tired of seeing just Canes and Drakes on my overview/kb. a good step would be to slightly nerf those ships, and buff rails to something usable. right now, only laserboats are balanced in by opinion. |
Tear Miner
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:11:00 -
[55] - Quote
Vincent Gaines wrote:Alexandros Balfros wrote:Sadly not the best expansion ever, as a missile user this game adds nothing new for me to use :( Your tears are delicious.
You should know, Morsus Mihi drake blobs blot out the sun. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
280
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:17:00 -
[56] - Quote
A lot of stuff remains to be done, some that was intended to be on crucible (hybrids rebalance) couldn't be done properly in the time frame but will be looked at continuously until is satisfying: said Mr CCP Tallest.
There's so much work done, almost everything players ask for months or years, new stuff, improvements of all kinds, needed downgrading Super pownmobiles to Super ships to train for, awesome nebulas, engine trails, cyno effects, warp tunnel, stars and I could continue for a long while.
Yes I do think it's an awesome expansion overall.
Best of all, better than all the stuff we had improved, changed, added whatsoever, Dev's are now more present with us than I've ever seen them and this thing here in my eyes is extremely important for everyone from players to dev's and by extent the company.
I'm still hungry about my hybrids stuff (rabble) but I'm very happy about all the stuff I've tested on SISI (except hybrids: rabble again) I just can't wait to see all those that couldn't be there have such fun on TQ has I did on SISI.
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Jack Sparroxx
TURN LEFT
3
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
Handsome ******* wrote:From my POV Crucible is the best expansion ever (even if it's not on TQ yet). But then, I've only experienced one expansion so far, and I wouldn't even call it an expansion; did nothing for the game.
Lol.. yea if captains closet is your only referce point, then crusibla is def the most awsome expansion EVER in the history of all MMO's. |
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CCP Veritas
C C P
C C P Alliance
195
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:54:00 -
[58] - Quote
shackdavid wrote:Quote:
Patch Notes wrote:
Time Dilation
Due to the dangerous nature of altering the fabric of spacetime in such ways, the feature will be turned on at a slightly later date.
Crucible has already failed those of us waiting for the lag fix, if a date had been specified in a with a reasonable time period then I would not have an issue with this delay.
It's going to be like a week or so. It's a rather fundamental shift to how the game runs, so turning it on at the same time we release a bunch of other things makes diagnosing any problems extremely difficult because you don't know what to blame.
As soon as the release is in a reasonably stable state, I will be deploying Time Dilation. No one in this world wants it on more than I do, guarantee you that.
CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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DeLaBu
FireStar Inc
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:58:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:shackdavid wrote:Quote:
Patch Notes wrote:
Time Dilation
Due to the dangerous nature of altering the fabric of spacetime in such ways, the feature will be turned on at a slightly later date.
Crucible has already failed those of us waiting for the lag fix, if a date had been specified in a with a reasonable time period then I would not have an issue with this delay. It's going to be like a week or so. It's a rather fundamental shift to how the game runs, so turning it on at the same time we release a bunch of other things makes diagnosing any problems extremely difficult because you don't know what to blame. As soon as the release is in a reasonably stable state, I will be deploying Time Dilation. No one in this world wants it on more than I do, guarantee you that.
I think many players agree. Maybe delay the patch for a week and rather give us that tomorrow? /ducks |
Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
47
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:59:00 -
[60] - Quote
i dont think its the best expansion but its still a good one. if you read the patch notes carefully, you can see they fixed A LOT of ANNOYING ass crap. i look forward to the expansion going live. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
873
|
Posted - 2011.11.28 18:05:00 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships. I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
Glad to hear this confirmed CCP Guard. That statement from Soundwave that there would never again be an Apocrypha scale expansion was one the most depressing things I heard about Eve this year and it made me seriously question why I was continuing with the game. I'm very glad you guys have turned it around and seen the flaw in that line of thinking.
I really look forward to CCP committing to visionary and epic Expansions again that significantly change the game.
And while you're at it please make sure the PI guys read this :
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7655
This is how PI should work.
:)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
37
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:12:00 -
[62] - Quote
- RMR
- the one with heat (don't remember the name)
- the one with tech3 and WHs (don't remember the name)
And this one feels like a big patch with its massive list of small things getting fixed rather than something huge being implemented.
I'm still looking forward some awesome shift in game balance (like Great Nano Fix was). I can even propose few names:
- Great Supercap Fix
- Great EHP Fix
- Great cyno-faggotry Fix
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is"
2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?"
Nice progress, guys. |
Letrange
Red Horizon Inc
Cascade Probable
31
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:24:00 -
[63] - Quote
Put me down for cautiously optimistic. This "expansion" has all the hallmarks of serious shifting of gears. Nothing super major new, but yea and verily there are fixes to the interface. Dvorak be praised (no I don't use a Dvorak keyboard, you prat, that was just a geek reference - yeesh).
December is approaching and on the original time schedule (based on the most recent fan-fest) this was when were supposed to start seeing some news on the DUST 514 beta. This has not happened. I can only assume that the hitting the breaks and changing directions we're seeing via Crucible are the cause of that. I hope that in the spring we can start seeing news on DUST 514 that's a little more concrete.
In the meanwhile I'm getting ready for the patch.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
417
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:26:00 -
[64] - Quote
The first expansion best expansion, fortold a future of more to come.
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Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
141
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:26:00 -
[65] - Quote
This is the best patch CCP has EVER put out......but it finda sucks that we dont get a Winter expansion because of it.
o well better then Nex bullshit
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
69
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:32:00 -
[66] - Quote
Best expansion ever?
- Cloaked ships will no longer decloak other cloaked ships.
It's a possibility. What I wonder though...
- A warning message is now displayed when trying to offline a grouped weapon.
Why not just offline or remove the group together, like when adding or removing ammo?
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
42
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:40:00 -
[67] - Quote
To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente). |
Rod Blaine
Gilded Goose Brokerage
9
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
tbh, more or less every expansion since release has been somewhat of a dissapointment.
/bittervet
No, i recall i did like POS bridges and POS's in general at first (what was that? RMR?, NFI tbh), but nowadays i tend to think we'd been better off without them.
One thing i do like however is WH space. That at least is new and rough (well, to someone that returned a month ago it is).
Other then that it looks like the last two years have been one big piece of WOWing it up. Tossers |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
280
|
Posted - 2011.11.28 18:42:00 -
[69] - Quote
Aloe Cloveris wrote:To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente).
hemmm, Soon heh, not yet. |
mkint
401
|
Posted - 2011.11.28 18:45:00 -
[70] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Aloe Cloveris wrote:To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente). hemmm, Soon heh, not yet.
Word of the day: anemic |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
69
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
Aloe Cloveris wrote:To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente).
Nice.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Mahakaharashi RedEagle
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2011.11.28 18:53:00 -
[72] - Quote
Best expansion that I've witnessed was Apocrypha. This one looks good atm but those two cannot be really compared. |
Valeroth Kyarmentari
Verdant Rampart
1
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:25:00 -
[73] - Quote
Again, it's not really out yet. But I'm liking the looks of this expansion quite a bit.
More so... it's the attidude of the company this expansion that I like.
I've only been playing about 13 months, so it's the best expansion for me so far.
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Feilamya
12
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:44:00 -
[74] - Quote
It's a named patch, not an expansion. |
mkint
401
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:51:00 -
[75] - Quote
Feilamya wrote:It's a named patch, not an expansion.
Nah there are enough gameplay changes to call it an expansion. It's just the patch parts are pretty good and the expansion parts mostly suck for anyone who's not a ccp rmt friend. If ccp keeps catering to rmt friends at the expense of everyone else then eve won't survive long . |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
There are a lot of good and welcome changes, but it doesn't really feel like an "expansion" to me. It feels more like a much needed, much welcome, great big patch. That's not a complaint or derogatory reference, just an opinion. I really love some of the things they have fixed/patched, especially papercuts items and logoffski fix.
However, I feel the PI change is exceptionally destructive to the game. By extension, CCP Omen is also. The fact he has a title "game designer" is, all at the same time, illuminating, hilarious, and sad. That single change will be very destructive to Eve and it's paid subscriber count for a very long time to come. Of all the changes, this change is the one CCP is going to regret the most. It is just terrible, terrible game design.
Lastly, the insane buffs to destroyers dps in pvp is going to be a long term problem for CCP, because once the issue demonstrates itself, they will entrench and not address it as a problem.
On the whole, though, I am proud of CCP in general, their refocus on FiS, and I hope for more great things in the future. |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
78
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:02:00 -
[77] - Quote
Give me a poke when my nyx have hes drones back. o/ |
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
20
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:23:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships. I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
Bolded the important part.
The fact that in "less than two months" you're created "probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever" makes me absolutely LIVID considering all the time and effort spent over the past three years working on things other than "Ships in Space".
Where would the game be if you had this level of focus and commitment during the past three years? The lack of diligence is CRIMINAL.
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leich
Sad Panda'z
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
5
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:32:00 -
[79] - Quote
mkint wrote:Feilamya wrote:It's a named patch, not an expansion. Nah there are enough gameplay changes to call it an expansion. It's just the patch parts are pretty good and the expansion parts mostly suck for anyone who's not a ccp rmt friend. If ccp keeps catering to rmt friends at the expense of everyone else then eve won't survive long .
Umad Bro?
This PI Nerf is a PI Buff. It pushes people towards low sec and 0.0 without forcing them. Personaly i dont think the NPC tax is enought but it is a good start.
You can now move your PI Operations to low sec and Pay 0% tax.
People can also attack them so you also get PVP from it. But any 0.0 alliance will do there PI in 0.0 So that means you only have to fight/Avoid Pirates in general. This means low entry levels.
PI Changes are Awsome. More changes like this CCP put the power in the hands of the players. |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
16
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:42:00 -
[80] - Quote
Apocrypha has been my favorite expansion that I have experienced. I don't see Crucible taking it's place. I will confess I look forward to many of it's features, some more than others and others still I could live with out. But I am not feeling the same level of excitement I did for Apocrypha. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
159
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:23:00 -
[81] - Quote
leich wrote:[quote=mkint]..People can also attack them so you also get PVP from it. But any 0.0 alliance will do there PI in 0.0 So that means you only have to fight/Avoid Pirates in general. This means low entry levels....
What game are you playing? If there is easy/free ISK then null monkeys are the first in line .. any and all high value planets will be null controlled in a matter of months if not weeks.
CCP in all their genius made it yet another EHP grind based mechanic with reinforcement timers no less .. how do you propose the people who would go in the "low entry level" bracket will compete with infini-ISK blobs that can drop out of sky with no warning?
The pooch sure is walking funny after what CCP did to it .. again.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
1268
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:55:00 -
[82] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships. I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE
Sounds good. Now you've rediscovered what you can do when you really want to... the sky's the limit.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
102
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:44:00 -
[83] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque. It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships. I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE Sounds good. Now you've rediscovered what you can do when you really want to... the sky's the limit.
Imagine the potential.
Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Dunkler Imperator
N.F.H.P.
Eternal Evocations
5
|
Posted - 2011.11.29 01:19:00 -
[84] - Quote
Hirana Yoshida wrote:leich wrote:[quote=mkint]..People can also attack them so you also get PVP from it. But any 0.0 alliance will do there PI in 0.0 So that means you only have to fight/Avoid Pirates in general. This means low entry levels.... What game are you playing? If there is easy/free ISK then null monkeys are the first in line .. any and all high value planets will be null controlled in a matter of months if not weeks. CCP in all their genius made it yet another EHP grind based mechanic with reinforcement timers no less .. how do you propose the people who would go in the "low entry level" bracket will compete with infini-ISK blobs that can drop out of sky with no warning? The pooch sure is walking funny after what CCP did to it .. again.
I live in null We got some of the best planets around. We got one system with 2 planets of each type in it.
Guess what?
only a few people bother with it.
Pi is too much of a hassle when u could kill 7 rats a day and make the same isk.
Let's see i have 10 planets
8 mining planets (p0->p1)
and 2 factory planets
i make about 250 robotics a day.
net's me about 7-8 m
On a side note for all the carebears out there
Prov is Not Red don't shoot.
with 2 Highsec to null sec Ways in
You can dock in the stations and i think you will be able to setup pi(can't do it right now but i think the new Custom offices allow it if it's setup right)
Just watch out for
-pirates
-Testies
-PL
-WN
-Drunk/high N.F.H.P. members(If we do blow u up and ur a neut send me a mail and i'll see about getting ur ship back)
-Random reds.
So in short
Risk ~= reward
HTFU!
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