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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:42:18 -
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Capqu wrote:progstate wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Ama Scelesta wrote:RIP ISBoxer? ISBoxer has some great uses outside of it's broadcasting functions. So maybe, but probably not. Your response is a bit like "Well, bumping Titans is kind of not allowed in some circumstances". Being a bit more specific on this topic would probably be appreciated. Well then be more specific in asking questions. @CCP : is using ISBOXER broadcasting to run a bomber wing or a synchronised fleet of mining vessels now against the EULA? i told u son you can still use isboxer to have multiple clients on the same screen you can no longer use isboxer to send commands to more than one client at a time you have never been able to use isboxer to automatically send commands is that clear enough? thats pretty much what the OP says btw Honestly, I wouldn't waste your time trying to explain it. People are going to try to test the limits of the decision, regardless of how many people tell them they aren't helping. At this point, I think it is better to let them delude themselves. That way, when they continue doing whatever it is they are doing, they get banned. At that point, we get to laugh at them a lot for being idiots.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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SIR PRIME
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:42:21 -
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Made my day. :) |
drummendejef maaktnietuit
Active Fusion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:43:01 -
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So, this will be banable too?
Hardware Method |
Kant Boards
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:43:07 -
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CCP making bold and courageous and much needed changes. Whats next!? An end to AFK cloaking?! |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:43:50 -
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Wait - hold on, just thought of something -
G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously
Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:43:58 -
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Does this apply to inventory management within the same station?
For example... I occasionally go on a ship giveaway binge where I'll fit up several dozen frigs / destroyers, fill their cargo with the skills needed to fly them, and then give them out in newbie systems.
Obviously click dragging a dozen items one by one is tedious in the extreme and any automation would be a godsend.
Is it acceptable to load up a bunch of accounts at once and use broadcasting to speed up this process? |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:44:01 -
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drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:
are you multiplying the same input to multiple instances of the game, via any method whatsoever?
Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.
then no, you are not ok |
Arteriamus
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:44:12 -
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So essentially:
PLEX prices are too high, we'll remove a lot of the demand? |
Masao Kurata
Z List
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:44:14 -
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Wow, this is wonderful. Not only did you make the hard decision I thought CCP didn't have the guts to make for the long term health of EVE, but you actually wrote mostly a mostly unambiguous policy that isn't open to interpretation. That might be a first.
That said, I do have a couple of questions:
First, and importantly, how do we report strongly suspected input multiplexing/broadcasting going forward from 2015? Is the report bot function meant to be used for this too? Furthermore could this function please be given the option to add a message explaining the reason for suspicion?
Second, does input multiplexing refer to using software to e.g. bind F1 to actually input F1 on client 1, F2 -> F1 on client 2, F3 -> F1 on client 3 etc.? I'm not familiar with the exact capabilities of isboxer other than input broadcasting so I haven't seen this functionality, thank you for banning this too if that's what it means though. |
Kaliba Mort
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:44:27 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote: OK, so if my commands are applescript based and use the keyboard and not a mouseclick, I am still OK??
I use my G15 keyboard to run the scripts, if it matters
I think it doesn't matter *how* you run scripts, on the main CPU or keyboard microcontroller,, it is that you run scripts which results in unfair advantage. Keyboard strokes are also "clicks".
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Theon Severasse
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:44:29 -
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drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:
My understanding is that that counts as "modified hardware". |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:44:30 -
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drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:
yes. it is mentioned in the devblog :) |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:44:47 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Wait - hold on, just thought of something -
G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously
Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs
Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.
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Notorious Fellon
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:45:28 -
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Best change yet!
Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:45:33 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Does this apply to inventory management within the same station?
For example... I occasionally go on a ship giveaway binge where I'll fit up several dozen frigs / destroyers, fill their cargo with the skills needed to fly them, and then give them out in newbie systems.
Obviously click dragging a dozen items one by one is tedious in the extreme and any automation would be a godsend.
Is it acceptable to load up a bunch of accounts at once and use broadcasting to speed up this process?
saved fittings dude.
just saying. |
Nituspar
Shiva Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:45:38 -
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As someone who has extensively used ISBoxer for the last year I'd like to thank CCP for having the courage to make this change, and the way it's being implemented.
The grace time will allow people who invested heavily into the program some reprieve to make their investments back, and the general playerbase will not have to deal with singular people wiping out their fleets or multi-billion ships anymore, which was always terrible gameplay.
I believe this is a very positive change to New Eden, and the short-term loss of subscriber revenue will be more than made up for in the long run by players enjoying the game more as a result of it
Thumbs up and keep up the good work CCP |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:45:45 -
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Christmas came early
I have to say, that's a pleasant surprise, and probably a tough decision to make for a company from a financial standpoint.
I can see PLEX prices dropping already.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:45:47 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Wait - hold on, just thought of something -
G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously
Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs I'm sure if you find enough edge cases, CCP will surely reverse the decision! Keep fishing! The fate of Eve depends on your efforts!
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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eiedu
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:45:56 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:progstate wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Ama Scelesta wrote:RIP ISBoxer? ISBoxer has some great uses outside of it's broadcasting functions. So maybe, but probably not. Your response is a bit like "Well, bumping Titans is kind of not allowed in some circumstances". Being a bit more specific on this topic would probably be appreciated. Well then be more specific in asking questions. CCP is using ISBOXER broadcasting to run a bomber wing or a synchronised fleet of mining vessels now against the EULA? Using any method (including ISBoxer) to broadcast your commands across multiple clients for bomber wings or mining vessels will be against the EULA starting January 1st.
Leave it to the lawyers fozzie. You make it sound like it's OK to rat with ISBoxer |
Kant Boards
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:46:01 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Using any method (including ISBoxer) to broadcast your commands across multiple clients for bomber wings or mining vessels will be against the EULA starting January 1st. Hi Fozzie. You're doing a good job man |
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:46:10 -
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If the automation in question allows for conditions that could not exist in EVE if a normal human operation was in effect, it should be gone.
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Brink Albosa
Screaming Hayabusa Neo-Bushido Movement
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:46:44 -
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Good ******* riddance |
Kaliba Mort
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:47:20 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Wait - hold on, just thought of something -
G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously
Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs
Grouping guns does not do the same thing. Grouping guns is something you do *in game*. Pressing F1-F8 at same time via scripts outside the game is banned.
Using G15 is not banned. Using scripting features of the keyboard to broadcast multiple keystrokes is and has been for a while.
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:47:23 -
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I hope that on or shortly before 1 January that the Policies page is updated with this information. In the past, CCP has had a bad habit of just posting this type of information on the forums. This information really needs to either have its own page or added to the Suspension and Ban Policy and Third Party Policies pages. Thinking about it, those two pages will need to be updated anyway.
The Nosy Gamer - Free Wollari!-á Buy your EVE time codes through Dotlan maps!
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:47:38 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Wait - hold on, just thought of something -
G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously
Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.
Yeah, so that means my Core OS - OSX and my keyboard are both not allowed
Kinda sucks, not going to buy windows to run the stinking game
I sure as hell won't buy a new keyboard
so stupid, if you want to ban isboxer fine, but leave the mac guys out of it |
Kubiq
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:47:53 -
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Kant Boards wrote:CCP making bold and courageous and much needed changes. Whats next!? An end to AFK cloaking?! Cloaking creates content (victims form defense fleets) isboxer does not |
Rollo Brinalle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:47:57 -
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YEAAAAHHHH Thanks for early holiday gift! |
Peritas Inmortalis
Dis0wned
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:48:11 -
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Thank you CCP Falcon with that update your going to help me save money, 6 less accounts to pay |
Shp3
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:48:25 -
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All these lovely ISboxer tears here already!!!
GÖÑ ccp falcon! |
eiedu
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:48:41 -
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Rossi Tenmar wrote:eiedu wrote:RIP incursions RIP Ratting RIP bombing
Or join a fleet with other people maybe?
Buy me dinner first |
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