I get <10ms lagtimes when manually alt-tabbing hard and using keybinds. It all comes down to the granularity of the logs in question as to whether it can be done or not.

Why are you thinking they are doing it now? Maybe it went over the edge and is becoming a problem.

My guess is the influx of new players, some of whom will end up as miners (whether or not that's a good idea). The situation for them isn't improved by vast supplies of minerals mined by clone armies.

The multiboxing application referred to above was ISBoxer. So for over a year, (the wayback machine shows the same language on the page back in June 2013) CCP posted in writing that ISBoxer violated the prohibitions against client modification (6A2, 6A3, and 9C) but that they were not going to enforce the EULA. However, CCP warned that they could enforce these provisions of the EULA in the future and to use the software "at your own risk."

Well, CCP has decided to start enforcing these provisions, and gave everyone 5 weeks notice. Even then, CCP is only banning the functionality that violates the EULA, which means that ISBoxer is not banned, just using some of the optional features is.

I have the feeling that giving over 30 days notice for the change was due to legal reasons.

with isbotter, it IS LITTLE SKILL!
Get prober in your fleet, probe fleet, warp your bomber fleet to prober in position, all simultaneously decloak, all simultaneously warp drop bomb, all simultaneously warp out. The organizing part is clearly missing there, idgi why you dont unterstand the concept of isbotted bombing.

CCP has stated countless times in the past that the "accelerated gameplay" clause was on a PER TOON BASIS.

For all of your statements it is blatantly obvious you have never used this program yet you continue act as if your the worlds foremost authority. You have no clue what Isboxer is, therefore your opinions are worthless. IF a person wish to debate a point that person should educate themselves before making wild and misleading accusations.

GS

isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.

this clause covers exactly isbotters input broadcast functionality.

What? No it hasn't. Unless you're referring to the new clause in which case I'll simply laugh you out of court.

From a multiboxer in 2010:
https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs

CCP told him even back then that their main issue was the AUTOMATION of the gameplay. If CCP was getting too many petitions regarding actual multiboxers vs bots and gave up, then I must seriously question the quality of their GMs if they cannot tell the difference (or if indeed, they don't have the proper tools to tell the difference. Hint: Multiboxers chat with a "main" character. Bots are silent and never speak.) then the community should not be punished for this failure.

this clause covers exactly isbotters input broadcast functionality.



which part of my statement is wrong? Feel free to correct it.

Except that's wrong.

6a2 doesn't apply as ISBoxer doesn't re-skin or otherwise change how a player sees the game. An example of this would be the WoW healing mod that places everyone's name in a nice little box and automatically healed them when you clicked.

CCP has stated countless times in the past that the "accelerated gameplay" clause was on a PER TOON BASIS. If you continue to believe differently, send them a ticket or spend 30 seconds looking through all the old "PLZ BAN ISBOXER MY FEELINGS WERE HURT" threads.

Lax did not do anything to modify, decompile, or otherwise disassemble the EVE source code. At this stage, you're fishing for ANYTHING to grasp a hold of to justify your lack of education on the issue.

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.

For all of your statements it is blatantly obvious you have never used this program yet you continue act as if your the worlds foremost authority. You have no clue what Isboxer is, therefore your opinions are worthless. IF a person wish to debate a point that person should educate themselves before making wild and misleading accusations.

GS

you just keep posting and posting here (not that there is anything wrong in that), for anyone who have used isboxer do understand (more likely if they have tried/done their research) And people should do some research before they (''yell'' ''rage'') out about something they dont know anything about, and please dont quote only (1/4 off what i Write) because everything is relevant.

isbotter accelerates gameplay on PER TOON BASIS. I explained why few pages back.
This accelerated gameplay is the exact reason people used it.

I dont know how the ruling and policy enforcement from 2010 is relevant for this discussion,
Many others and me already explained many times, even on this page why isbotter automates gameplay,
dont get it why you you quote these statements.

In light of the input automation....broadcast....blah blah blah nonsense could I ask (because I've searched on the forums and keep getting confused beyond all measure)

Are keyboards like razer and g15, with the inbuilt functions allowed?

You know the ones that you can make so if you press 1 button it could say...spam f1-f8 for a single client

You know...the ones that have the negative stigma

....the one that starts with Mah and ends in Crow?


Edit : no BS where it mines for 23 hours or anything, the kind of thing I could still do raking my hand across the keyboard, headbashing it or spamming it really fast

In light of the input automation....broadcast....blah blah blah nonsense could I ask (because I've searched on the forums and keep getting confused beyond all measure)

Are keyboards like razer and g15, with the inbuilt functions allowed?

You know the ones that you can make so if you press 1 button it could say...spam f1-f8 for a single client

You know...the ones that have the negative stigma

....the one that starts with Mah and ends in Crow?


Edit : no BS where it mines for 23 hours or anything, the kind of thing I could still do raking my hand across the keyboard, headbashing it or spamming it really fast

If I get ganked by ten players at a gate camp, that is fine and dandy.

If I get ganked at a gate camp by one ISboxer player it is wrong.

At least the ten gate campers had to organize the camp.

In any case, CCP have made their decision, so ISboxers need to adapt, stop using ISboxer, or well..rage quit.

Prob not no as its possible to do F1-F8 by any abled bodied person already.
Its were you program it to do something allot more complicated than activating all your guns or something (you can all ready do with with one key press anyway in-game with stacked guns.)

1. Just because they use it doesnt mean it's against the rules. Derpaherp.

2. You've been grasping at straws without the knowledge of what the program does. You see some dude in local with "Jonny 1-8" and immediately assume he's a bot. If you want to contribute to the discussion, please watch some videos regarding how to setup ISBoxer and EVE, instead of watching the end-product and thinking "a 5 year old can do this". The ruling clearly explained in user-friendly terms that ISBoxer was allowed because it did not let him get up from his keyboard and get a smoke while the program kept flying him around and doing stuff.

it was always against the rules, CCP just didnt police it - however they will past Jan. 1st.


grasping at staws? for what? When did I do that?
here again, what are you trying to tell? Refer to my exact quotes which you think are wrong and try to relate
your replies properly.


for the rest of your posting, I dont think they were directed at me, misquoted or whatever you messed up while posting.

3) Yes there are workarounds, some using ISBoxer, others using scripted mice or keyboard. Some are fair game others skate close enough to the edge that they risk a ban. Basically it comes down to a question of economics. Are you willing to risk ALL your accounts (and assets) being banned by skating on the thin ice knowingly? Risk vs reward in the metagame.

CCP also stated that cache-scraping was banned but they wouldn't police it. I've also explained *why* this change is illogical just because a few nullbabies cried in a petition that they got bombed sitting on a station AFK. I went to great pains to explain what this change represented in terms the average player could understand and to give an analogy that someone with a triple digit IQ could understand.

And the bolded part which you tried your best to tie to broadcasting keys and mouse movements to ISBoxer makes zero sense when reading the whole sentence. If you need me to spell it out for you, I shall. ISBoxer allows one to reposition multiple clients windows. It also allows one to take portions of client A and place a viewer on client B and allow one to interact through the viewer. This is not banned. Never was.

It was never against the rules. The most you could argue was that using it to automate flying without any input was and always is against the rules.

I'm accusing you of grasping for a reason, ANY reason, that ISBoxer repeating should be banned or was against the rules.

"Muh feelings" and "muh AFK battleship got bombed" don't count.

The accelerated gameplay clause had been explained by CCP numerous times in the past to be referring to a per-toon basis.

There has also been a lack of knowledge for the general public on the difference between a bot and a multiboxer; the biggest difference is that the multiboxer is sitting behind the keyboard and can adjust to sudden situations like someone ragebumping him with a machariel, while the bot is a "dumb program" running over and over without anyone behind the keyboard.

-snip too many quotes

Sorry you confused me abit there when you said "probs not no" and then went on to make it sound it it was okay...

My question was whether or not it was okay, because a quick search on the forums says it is

No, it wasn't. The 3rd party tools part was and has always been talking about bots that require no input. I've told you a dozen times to do your own research yet you continue to ignore it to satisfy some bizarre hateboner against boxers.
I concluded that because you refuse to do even a modicum of research, and you continue to refuse to make a distinction between boxers and bots and classify all boxers on the same level of someone who RMTs or hacked the client to turn him invulnerable.
I'll ignore your pathetic attempt to dismiss my dismissal of 90% of the trolls in the thread who hate boxers simply because they got ganked once.
You just agreed with me that the clause is on a per toon basis. Comparing incursion boxers to a "public" fleet and attempting to say that there is accelerated gameplay is laughable at best, and outright lying at worst.

No, it wasn't. The 3rd party tools part was and has always been talking about bots that require no input. I've told you a dozen times to do your own research yet you continue to ignore it to satisfy some bizarre hateboner against boxers.

I concluded that because you refuse to do even a modicum of research, and you continue to refuse to make a distinction between boxers and bots and classify all boxers on the same level of someone who RMTs or hacked the client to turn him invulnerable.

I'll ignore your pathetic attempt to dismiss my dismissal of 90% of the trolls in the thread who hate boxers simply because they got ganked once.

You just agreed with me that the clause is on a per toon basis. Comparing incursion boxers to a "public" fleet and attempting to say that there is accelerated gameplay is laughable at best, and outright lying at worst.

Going back a few pages...




This is very disturbing. For a few reasons. A 1 man team of 10 gets caught... 10 accounts banned? As opposed to the main that is commanding the fleet that is the account that ISboxer is logged into? That is kind of harsh.

Then 10 acct fleet teams up with some buddies for a roam... All parties involved would have to be investigated and I am sure the ban hammer would not spare some of the innocents.

This seems like it would be an administrative nightmare investigating false claims, alt accts replying they were acting independently, and the fleet members that really had nothing to do with any transgression.

In reality the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

Banning AN account would. Banning all no.

Oh wait then if the TOS / EULA isn't updated to include this and some will say they haven't read THIS forum discussion.. oops they still get banned anyway?

That just doesn't fit right.


Edit after thought... if a player owns 10 toons and 3 were involved in the transgression.. all 10 are baned?