I doubt many players will quit over it, but the amount of accounts subscribed may take a dip.

I have 14 subscribed accounts (im too bad at eve to plex them), as of next month that will drop down to 3, possibly 2, depending on what activities I plan on doing. That's a $1400 - $1900 loss for CCP annually from myself alone.

I never used them for bombing, or to gain advantages in pvp apart from bashing structures.

I believe CCP probably have already factored an ballpark figure of how much money may be lost from this, and since they are going forward, it is probably not high enough to affect them long term.

I find it annoying, but not game breaking. By the looks of replies here overall it's a pretty unpopular thing in general, so probably for the best of the game.

How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

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This one had me laughing. :D
But still falls under:
[quote=CCP Falcon]
We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware.

understands my point will see there is only one "right thing to do"

Do the right thing CCP

Refund people whose real life money you have taken before this change, and who are now out of pocket for nothing.

Do the real life right thing.

Reading into this, fleet warping could be considered a banable offence.

You want to take out the lawyer talk, so will I.

While I can't say I agree with CCP's decision in this regards, I do understand it and I do respect it.

I will miss the ice mining, but it appears to be time to lay off my "employees" and go find something else worthwhile to do within New Eden.

This is the wrong place to be asking for a refund. File a petition and do it that way. Shouting for a refund here is not going to get you anywhere

Please don't do this. The answer is no and you will slow down response times to people with actual problems

This is the wrong place to be asking for a refund. File a petition and do it that way. Shouting for a refund here is not going to get you anywhere

and what stops from mining with one account? or alt-tabbing a couple?
if you could finance 10 accounts with 10 ISboxed miners, you should be able to finance 1 account with manual mining?

Alt Tabbing isn't multiplexing or manipulating hardware to perform SIMULTANEOUS inputs to multiple sessions..
This is legit.

if you Alt-Tab its not simultaneous.

Alt Tabbing isn't multiplexing or manipulating hardware to perform SIMULTANEOUS inputs to multiple sessions..
This is legit.

essentially what my post was aiming at, and specifically I would like to see that CCP fully accept they must refund people for accounts subscribed under the old TOS. Trying to avoid it and causing legal issues will only be bad for business.

I have 2 questions about this change of policies.

First.
I have 2 accounts and rarely use them simultaneously, but I am wondering will it be ok to use software like OnTopReplica to broadcast mouse clicks to a single account at a time. I'll elaborate: I can cut out part of the window of account 2 and put it on top of account 1 window. Then I can use the "Click forwarding" feature to transmit the click to account 2 while still having account 1 window active. It's still one click - one action on a single account in game, it just removes the annoying alt tabbing part, it's not possible to broadcast to multiple accounts with OnTop, only to one window it has replicated and I still have to click mods in account 1 to activate them.
I consider it just a way of window management, but a CCP response on that would be nice.

Second.
This has been asked a lot already. Fancy gaming peripherals and binding all resist mods to one button.
I found a GM post from 2011 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
It says right there:

CCP please provide update on this policy, activating non-grouped modules on a single account with 1 key - yes or no.
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Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too?

Just wanna throw this out there to start, I am always amazed how players can support actions taken to shrink their player base. That actually like seeing people quit and their game shrivel. I laugh every time. With that said...



This seems like a far more harmful action to be taking without concurrent buffs within the game. I personally do not ISBox, yet can see it's necessity within a game with a shrinking player base for market stability. Think about it's primary use: Mining. Can you tell me that you think that when this starts being enforced that mineral prices will not begin to skyrocket? Do you believe that ship, module, ammo, and drone prices will not go up in turn? Simple case of supply and demand people. This will not cut off your supply entirely, but it will completely remove a large percentage of your suppliers. I would assume most players who make use of this program are strongly contemplating unloading their characters and leaving entirely.

While most of us can say that the multiboxing suicide ganks and bombers are annoying.. and may be glad to see their frequency decline (they will NEVER stop unless ccp wants to kill this game entirely).. this action is too broad without a patch hitting concurrently increasing the mineral payouts of refining modules and ore. CCP is removing a large portion of the game supply without supplementing it with anything. More players will not start mining until the prices are already increasing making the profits worth their time to change their professions. By that time the damage has been done and while the market will stabilize it will be much higher than what we currently see.

CCP this is too broad an action. Some people are upset about the pvp related actions of that segment of the player base. Those you see crying now about multiboxing miners don't seem to understand what they actually contribute to the game or are simply bandwagoning trolls who do understand but just like to watch the world burn.



I'll end with this I really have no horse in this game. Just wanted to throw that out there and maybe open some eyes.

Technically banned? CCP has told us in writing this was not the case.

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.

I don't understand why this has to apply to mining or ratting. You're going to lose hundreds of subscriptions over this CCP. What a terrible decision this is.

Please place an exception where broadcasting commands to mine rocks, shoot rats, jettison cargo, etc. is all permitted.

2.)
It is always the same. The question is what can the hardware do and what are you using of this.
You can write macros with the G15. And with these you can automatize really alot. The question is when is to much and becoming illigal.
It is no problem to set a marco to turn on several modules at once, or all your weapons. But it will become a problem when you make a "target asteroid, mine, dock, unload, undock, warp, target asteroid" macro.
Or you can set hotkeys on the G15 to automatic repeat. Even this might already be a problem. You can easy make a Spam macro for local chat with this.

Is it true that during Fanfest, CCP Seagull, you were telling people that multiboxers had nothing to worry about?

And during EVE Vegas, that other devs were telling people that multiboxing was "ok", even if they personally disagreed with it?

are logitech keyboards with macro keys now also prohibited ( if i use the 1 or more of the 18 macro keys)?

if so please send me the info i need to claim 150$ from ccp for a new keybord, or send me a gamer keyboard that does not have macro keys ccp, tyvm in advance.

Basically, as long as the peripheral doesn't get any data from the game and is only used to broadcast commands it's not automation.

how many characters do you multibox?

This announcement comes with a 1 month look-ahead warning. What if someone subscribed a large number of accounts for a year, while depending on what has been for years a legal avenue of gameplay?

CCP making bold and courageous and much needed changes. Whats next!? An end to AFK cloaking?!

there is no such restriction.

Lacking feed-back from client does not make a difference in this case.
Automation does not describe just a set methods but for a big part the purpose as well.
When asking the question if something is automated or not you should primarily ask the question about the goal being pursued by certain means/tools - in case of isbotter it is clearly controlling x clients without direct human interaction with them, which pretty much meets the definition of automation, i.e. controlling complex machinery/technology with reduced human workload.

I yet wonder how many people confuse multiboxing (which is still perfectly fine for CCP) with
multiboxing automation, which is topic of this thread. Is it ignorance, pure idiocy or just trolling??

Input Automation

Input Automation refers to actions that are commonly also referred to as botting or macroing. This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe.