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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.03 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hayabusa Fury Holy lord, Raven in theroy is highest DPS maybe, but if the ship is killed before the torps ever get there then it is no good. Thats the point here. Again for Scorp, number theroy and bonus looks good on paper but since it is the weakest BS and always called primary it does little good. plus EWar is so jacked that enough multispecs in any ship is overpowered.
You haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about. A Javelin Raven almost always turns out on top of a killmail when fights occur at short up to med range. Ravens got a role in longrange fleetbattles, too. With lag playing a major part it's even worse...
Scorpions are great BS. If you can't think of a tactic that lets your Scorp survive, it's your fault. In small skimishes Scorps are diciding the outcome of the battle. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5... |

Tension
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Posted - 2006.09.03 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Jim McGregor blah blah
How can a six monthes old character like you, still in a newb corp know anything about PvP?
Either post with your main or stop talking nonsense, thanx.
I don't see the words 'ISD Moderator' next to your name. Unless you are a forum moderator, I suggest you stop telling people what character they can and can't post with, ok?
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 13:01:00 -
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Ravens are quite overpowered, and realizing this has nothing to do with being 6 months old or 3 years old or being in Reikoku or Aliastra.. Without using multiple heavy NOS (you need more than 2) you have no chance to beat it 1on1, so NOS-domi/ishtar (which is pretty much the most overpowered ship for 1vs1 atm) is the only ship that can take down a raven, considering both pilots have same level of skills and equipment.
The domi/ishtar (indirect) nerfs are on the way.. NOS and ECM nerf. We had many nerfs cause of the raven (dual MWD nerf, RSD nerf, etc) but I cant remember a nerf to the raven, infact ppl whined about its only weakness (insta DMG) and got 3-4x times faster missiles to compensate. The force (aka Tuxford) has always been with the caldari lobby
Alright on the other hand ships like nighthawk need love..
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Klaus Stoertebeker
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Posted - 2006.09.03 13:07:00 -
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Vagabond, Pilgrim and Taranis.
All 3 of them are incredibly hard to catch and can take a lot ships down solo. (Taranis lacks a bit on firepower though)
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Hayabusa Fury
Caldari Wu-Tang Financial Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.09.03 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cohkka
Originally by: Hayabusa Fury
And all this time I thought Caldari was the win button!!!!
Quote: Where is the logic behind this?
It was clearly sarcasm.
Where is the logic in all the "Caldari is the win button" threads???
Forums seem to be posted in extremes. For the most part this game is balanced. The BS's margin from worst to best is slim, but there is a list. I just believe Caldari is in the middle somewhere.
Absence of logic is the mindless "Caldari are the best" thoughts. The truth is Gallente seem to be the forerunner at the moment. Not to an overpowered state. Just at the top of the list.
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"I can not recall the number of times my superior intellect has got me knee deep in ****!" --Harely Hayes
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Hayabusa Fury
Caldari Wu-Tang Financial Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.09.03 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming Ravens are quite overpowered, and realizing this has nothing to do with being 6 months old or 3 years old or being in Reikoku or Aliastra.. Without using multiple heavy NOS (you need more than 2) you have no chance to beat it 1on1, so NOS-domi/ishtar (which is pretty much the most overpowered ship for 1vs1 atm) is the only ship that can take down a raven, considering both pilots have same level of skills and equipment.
The domi/ishtar (indirect) nerfs are on the way.. NOS and ECM nerf. We had many nerfs cause of the raven (dual MWD nerf, RSD nerf, etc) but I cant remember a nerf to the raven, infact ppl whined about its only weakness (insta DMG) and got 3-4x times faster missiles to compensate. The force (aka Tuxford) has always been with the caldari lobby
Alright on the other hand ships like nighthawk need love..
They can't all be overpowered. If the Raven can be beat by what you call the "the most overpowered ship for 1vs1 atm", then that means it is not overpowered at all because the other ships have that title. So once more, Caldari are precieved to be the best and overpowered but they are not.
...and the nighthawk needs love as does Amarr generally
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inSpirAcy
Caldari The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.03 13:19:00 -
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Tux has promised us some Nighthawk love when he's finished tweaking assault missiles. 
The two features should come together.
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Jacques Archambault
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2006.09.03 14:08:00 -
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thread cleaned.
Please keep your replies polite and on-topic.
-Jacques'
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hayabusa Fury ... They can't all be overpowered. If the Raven can be beat by what you call the "the most overpowered ship for 1vs1 atm", then that means it is not overpowered at all because the other ships have that title. So once more, Caldari are precieved to be the best and overpowered but they are not.
...and the nighthawk needs love as does Amarr generally
Drone-boats were the worst ships (less slots, drones were the worst weapon) in EVE until Tuxford decided to make cap more important in combat (NOS became vital) and boosted EW (including ECM) at the same time, hence the NOS + ECM + Drones overpoweredness... The overpoweredness of raven comes from its stats not only from the mods it fits (which is the case with domi/ishtar/etc), raven has straight out more total HP than any BS out there, then it has 2 spare HI-slots which allow it to fit 2 NOS without having to sacrifice much on DPS (2 turrets would both tax PG and be of less use than NOS), slot layout to support both tank and gank at the same time... the only ship that can do this (tank+gank+EW) as good as a raven is a dominix which will be nerfed, so the crown goes back to the old king the raven!!
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.03 14:27:00 -
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Raven ffs
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fairimear
Gallente S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.09.03 14:30:00 -
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Curse, if i tell ya why i would have to shoot you.
Makeing your npc hunters SS. |

Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear Curse, if i tell ya why i would have to shoot you.
Uhmm.. shield tank sustained by NOS with WCS in lows and drones as DPS?.. Just guessing
What would you say, if I said I have a killer setup for lachesis which can take care of 5-7 close range HACs/BSs at the same time, solo? Guess we all have our secret setups
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.03 14:46:00 -
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1. Machariel with 3 points 2. Vagabond.. is nice but with decent fitting it only runs 1 point 3. rage raven with gist mwd and nano fibers
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fmercury
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.03 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: fmercury on 03/09/2006 16:35:04 Frigate size:
Taranis Ishkur
Cruiser:
Ishtar Vagabond Pilgrim
Thorax Rupture
Battleship:
Megathron Tempest Dominix
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
3. rage raven with gist mwd and nano fibers
Word, these are pretty insane.
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Mr Peanut
The New Empire R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.03 16:37:00 -
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Non-faction, non-CBC, and in no specific order: -Dominix -Vagabond -Raven
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Tunajuice
Demon Womb Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.03 16:43:00 -
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Raves suck, their tank is in the mids. So you pick do I want to tank or have EW. Armor tanking ships don't have this problem...
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Sebai Hana
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Posted - 2006.09.03 17:09:00 -
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Wouldn't Shieldtanked Machariel with Ghist MWD, Snakeset, nanos in lows PWN solo?

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Hub Quantum
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.03 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tunajuice Raves suck, their tank is in the mids. So you pick do I want to tank or have EW. Armor tanking ships don't have this problem...
You're right.

They have a whole other set of problems namely where they are going to fit in their damage mods, rcu, nanos or even stabs.
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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.03 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tunajuice Raves suck, their tank is in the mids. So you pick do I want to tank or have EW. Armor tanking ships don't have this problem...
Yeah passive armor tanked Ravens are soooo bad, never, ever use them!!! Stop with these stupid posts please.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.09.03 17:41:00 -
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Vagabond
Vagabond
and...
Vagabond...
Pretty much there is no better ship for getting cheap ganks but being next to impossible to kill by anyone hunting you...
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Duban Xtreme
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Posted - 2006.09.03 17:58:00 -
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When it comes to all around goodness it's hard to beat a thorax though. Powerful, fast, and expendable. What else could you ask for?
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DefJam101
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Posted - 2006.09.03 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hayabusa Fury
Originally by: Testicular Testes
Originally by: Hayabusa Fury
BS for example: Raven not best PVP BS and all ships can use EW so Scorp turns into weakest BS in game. So the 2 weakest flagships in game are Caldari.
Sweet jesus, that is the worst rationalization ever. Getting a bonus to the most effective type of warfare does make the Scorpion the single most effective gang BS around, followed by the Javelin Raven as the king of damage dealers for skirmish-sized engagements (along with the versatility for a tank or EW). Not only does the Raven outperform in raw damage dealt during an actual fight (huge volley damage in addition to at least two free volleys in comparison to any shortrange turret BS), it also gets to choose the perfect type most drastically of any BS - even the notorious Dominix can only pick two heavy drones, two mediums and one light drone set. All the while the Raven gets these goodies while maintaining full alignment and doing plenty of damage to cruisers.
Speaking of the Dominix, it's badly overrated. Badly limited range and manueverability, limited damage output letting decent tanks hold until the injectors run out and all that. It's still the easiest battleship to solo (and has great versatility for alternate setups), but being in a class that doesn't really solo well against anything but itself that doesn't mean too much.
Anyway, Damp Raven > Domi. Damp or ECM Raven + tackler = dead Domi. The advent of EC-300/600s in general has made Domis quite beatable by almost anyone really.
As for actual soloing ships ? Most T2 cruisers can be molded into something pretty sweet for solowork. Caldari do have it roughest in that department for pure soloing, but they make up for it by being the best without even remote competition in small and large gangs.
Holy lord, Raven in theroy is highest DPS maybe, but if the ship is killed before the torps ever get there then it is no good. Thats the point here. Again for Scorp, number theroy and bonus looks good on paper but since it is the weakest BS and always called primary it does little good. plus EWar is so jacked that enough multispecs in any ship is overpowered.
Don't "sweet jesus" me unless you post with your main
You know, not everyone has 200km range ya know.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.09.03 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Duban Xtreme When it comes to all around goodness it's hard to beat a thorax though. Powerful, fast, and expendable. What else could you ask for?
The fact is, the way Eve works right now if you have a good set of instas and a very fast ship you're not going to die unless you make a bad mistake. Solo PvP pretty much boils down to killing everything that can't fight back and running away from everything else, if you're good at running the ammount of effort needed to kill you is so huge that you can pretty much ignore the possibility of getting killed...
And yea yea, two seconds from now someone will be like "No way, I totally kill 1000 vagabonds every day in my Iteron, you just suck!" But trust me on this, if you know how to pick your fights, when to run, and when to log you are nearly untouchable in a fast ship.
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Sadist
SWIFTS Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.03 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sadist on 03/09/2006 18:48:48 1.****abond/Vaginabond (Hey look ma, no hands!)
2. Ishtar (yammed and eaten by drones, lol!)
3. Interceptor <<<--- wtf? Because if you choose your fights wisely, you're pretty much invincible, and even if you wont kill many big ships, you'll still rack in some indies, enemy inties and t1 frigs, barges, and maybe even a spare cruiser or 2 (was that a goon fleet I just killed ?)
P.S. Looks like most people agree on ishtar/vagabond combo with some interesting and viable choices for 3rd place. тттттттттттт VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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dec0
Caldari PMC Core
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Posted - 2006.09.03 18:57:00 -
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Jesus christ there are some idiots in this thread, raven is good but how the hell is it overpowered, to fit a great tank (t2) 6 t2 seige, heavy nos, its very hard to fit, plus it cant fit ecm + tank or tackle plus tank, in solo pvp vital things are scrambler+webber+mwd/ab. Because it cant tank plus tackle plus ecm, its a great ratting ship but its by far the best in pvp. Its in the middle.
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Ishida Akiko
Caldari The Carebear Club
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:48:00 -
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Ishtar and Vagabond are the top three. That is all.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Perry Best Solo PvP Ships ingame atm are in my opinion:
1) Vagabound
It has the Damage and Speed to kill quick and escape even from a good organised hostile Gang. Only a Bubble, multiple webs and Scrambs and a damage dealer can bring it down. It will gank your enemies and your wallet in no time. 
2) Pilgrim
Dont we all love the Nos/Ecm/Drone combo of doom? Add a Covert Cloak and your enemy will not even have time to spell "wtfpwned?" in local. Best used as belt ganker with two Scramblers, damn stabs. 
3) Ishtar/Dominix
No Cloak but even more Pwnage because of multiple waves of Heavy Drones. These things hurt! Dont get outblobbed. Good as roaming vehicles and gatecampers. Can fight multiple hostiles at once if done right.
I concur with 1 and 2, though I can't speak for 3 as I don't fly that one. Vaga and Pilgrim really are the 2 best solo ships ingame.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. |

Krist Valentine
Amarr Bad Omen Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:16:00 -
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Crusader, Punisher and Rifter.
All on the smaller, and faster end of things - that's just because that's what I know about. Hard to hit and, when kitted out right, can do a fair bit of damage to the right target.
T2 drones whipe the floor with them though. - - - - - Krist Valentine > Anti Pirate [An-tee-py-rut] - NOUN - Miner who got podded and trained for a Ferox. |

Magnus Thermopyle
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:16:00 -
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Anyone that says that raven sux for 1-on-1 has never fought a skilled raven pilot. It easily beats a nos domi for example, unless the domi knows what to tank against (for example, if he fights mission runners).
Best ships for solo: - BS: Raven - HAC: Vagabond - AF: Ishkur - Ceptor: crow - Frig: rifter - Cruiser: thorax
I dont fly amarr so I dont have any opinions about their ships.
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Jeni Shinnen
Gallente The Echelon
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jeni Shinnen on 03/09/2006 20:25:25 Nothing (with the exception of veeeery fast ships) can beat a properly setup lachesis 1 on 1
eg. maybe a vaga due to its speed.
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