Originally by: Shiraz Merlot

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This isn't a single-player game.

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Originally by: Shiraz Merlot

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Get some friends

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Originally by: Matrix Aran

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I hear WoW has an expansion comming out. You might want to try that game if you don't like PvP.

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Originally by: Carax

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Human rats are ruiung this game

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Originally by: Verus Potestas

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OK, I will explain what I wish that you do. Provide a structured and justified answer to each of these questions, taken in order from your original post:

1a) Why do you assume people are jerks (an insult to the real life character of the player), simply because they do not play the game like you, though they are playing exactly the same game, within the same guidlines as you?
1b) Do you think insulting them makes your arguments more convicing?

2) Why should you be able to mine in unsafe space in safety, without making sacrifices or commitments to aid your safety?

3a) How has "as long as you stayed alert" changed? Were you scanning constantly to see people approching you? Were you aligned? Were you fitting (urgh) WCS or ECM? Were you watching local for pirates?
3b) Have you even tried to defend yourself, or did you just come here to complain that Eve is broken?

4) What exactly is "without any comback" supposed to mean? You recieve sec hits for opening fire, and the victim of a one-sided attack gains killrights on the aggressor. He is flagged for 15minutes, during which he will be fired upon at stations or gates (giving a huge advantage to anyone hunting him), and can be attacked without penalty. If he takes enough sec hits, he loses access to much of space. The aggressor is also just as able to be attacked as you in low sec.

5) Do you realise that "it is killing the game" is fully subjective, and what is your opinion is not holy writ, nor is it apparently near the majority view?

6) Is piracy any less valid as a way of making ISK than mining or PvE?

7a) Why do you join a game where this is allowed, and even advertised as such (the original game box said "pirate" as one of the listed professions, though admittedly, it also says bounty hunter, so that could be called into question), and then demand that it is changed to suit your needs, and another game is made for "the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves"? That game exists, it is called Eve Online, and you joined it. There are plenty of games which are totally carebear (not intended as abuse) focussed out there, yet you joined Eve Online, possibly the harshest game out there.
7b) What gives you the right to demand that the game you chose, despite it being a piratey game, be made your carebear heaven, even though there are many games out there which already fit your mould, and you have disdained them?

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Originally by: Aeaus

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Uhm, how the heck do you manage to die in low security if you stay alert? I mean the only possible circumstance is taking a hauler into a gate camp without checking and getting sniped =/

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Originally by: Ghosthowl

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WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face.

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Originally by: HippoKing

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I just cried, you know that?

Originally by: Noriath

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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There is a way, its requires less whining and more shooting the people shooting you.

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You try killing a good pirate in this game, it's pretty much impossible.

Either they snipe you while warp aligned to a safespot, sniping back will only make them warp, so your chance of killing them is pretty much zero unless you have a whole gang including covops hunting them, and even then you will only get them if they are lazy and don't change sniperspots every so often or just log out when they see local filling up with hostiles.

Or alternatively they are in a really fast ship, preferably a vagabond, because nothing that it can't outrun can kill it and nothing that can kill it it can't outrun. Ultra fast ships are also next to immune to warp bubbles because the won't stay in them for more then 3 seconds.

While I agree that there is no point to whining, fighting back is really not very easy right now, the amount of time, effort, people and not to mention luck it takes to kill a single pirate is so great that you will make more money by just ignoring the losses and don't try to fight back or take revenge.

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Originally by: Laocoon

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Originally by: Verus Potestas

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OK, I will explain what I wish that you do. Provide a structured and justified answer to each of these questions, taken in order from your original post:

1a) Why do you assume people are jerks (an insult to the real life character of the player), simply because they do not play the game like you, though they are playing exactly the same game, within the same guidlines as you?
1b) Do you think insulting them makes your arguments more convicing?

2) Why should you be able to mine in unsafe space in safety, without making sacrifices or commitments to aid your safety?

3a) How has "as long as you stayed alert" changed? Were you scanning constantly to see people approching you? Were you aligned? Were you fitting (urgh) WCS or ECM? Were you watching local for pirates?
3b) Have you even tried to defend yourself, or did you just come here to complain that Eve is broken?

4) What exactly is "without any comback" supposed to mean? You recieve sec hits for opening fire, and the victim of a one-sided attack gains killrights on the aggressor. He is flagged for 15minutes, during which he will be fired upon at stations or gates (giving a huge advantage to anyone hunting him), and can be attacked without penalty. If he takes enough sec hits, he loses access to much of space. The aggressor is also just as able to be attacked as you in low sec.

5) Do you realise that "it is killing the game" is fully subjective, and what is your opinion is not holy writ, nor is it apparently near the majority view?

6) Is piracy any less valid as a way of making ISK than mining or PvE?

7a) Why do you join a game where this is allowed, and even advertised as such (the original game box said "pirate" as one of the listed professions, though admittedly, it also says bounty hunter, so that could be called into question), and then demand that it is changed to suit your needs, and another game is made for "the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves"? That game exists, it is called Eve Online, and you joined it. There are plenty of games which are totally carebear (not intended as abuse) focussed out there, yet you joined Eve Online, possibly the harshest game out there.
7b) What gives you the right to demand that the game you chose, despite it being a piratey game, be made your carebear heaven, even though there are many games out there which already fit your mould, and you have disdained them?

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this is a good post

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Originally by: Aeaus

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Uhm, how the heck do you manage to die in low security if you stay alert? I mean the only possible circumstance is taking a hauler into a gate camp without checking and getting sniped =/

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Originally by: Carax

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The pirates did not seem to have enjoyed it that much when I spoke to them. I could understand taking on a heavy assault ship or something else that could be a challenge but blowing up an indy, it's like popping a baloon.

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Originally by: Bolt Crimson

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What is your solution then? Give miners god mode? No PvP unless you got your PvP tag up(Like WoW)?
You do know, that this would not only ruin the pirates fun, but also the whole economy.

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Originally by: Noriath

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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There is a way, its requires less whining and more shooting the people shooting you.

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You try killing a good pirate in this game, it's pretty much impossible.
Either they snipe you while warp aligned to a safespot, sniping back will only make them warp, so your chance of killing them is pretty much zero unless you have a whole gang including covops hunting them, and even then you will only get them if they are lazy and don't change sniperspots every so often or just log out when they see local filling up with hostiles.

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Originally by: Bolt Crimson

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No PvP unless you got your PvP tag up(Like WoW)?

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Originally by: Carax

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0.4

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Originally by: Starleena

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I feel your pain, but posting on here will just get you flamed. Theres nothing on here but people who just cant understand that not everyone likes to PvP.

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