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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:55:00 -
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I have just spent all day minining 0.4 sector for jaspet and had one of my alts ships blown out from under me in three shots and another one barricaded in a station so that it does not get shot at by the same jerks.
When I started playing you could mine in low sec and survive as long as you stayed alert. Nowerdays the jerks have got big ships with great weapons and unless you are also in a tank you are dead in five seconds.
It is killing the game, there should be a way to stop these killjoys, they can kill without any comeback. Alternatively create a new game for the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves.
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Bolt Crimson
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:56:00 -
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No pain, no gain.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:57:00 -
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Uhm, how the heck do you manage to die in low security if you stay alert? I mean the only possible circumstance is taking a hauler into a gate camp without checking and getting sniped =/
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Carax
It is killing the game, there should be a way to stop these killjoys
There is a way, its requires less whining and more shooting the people shooting you. 
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:58:00 -
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:59:00 -
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The point is it is difficult to shoot in a miner and flying my Apoc in is something of a waste, especially as I can not fit much ore in the hold.
Any better suggestions?
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:00:00 -
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Ugh, so how did you lose your ship and how did you lose it?
Last I checked mining in low-sec isn't all that dangerous if you know what you're doing.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
It is killing the game, there should be a way to stop these killjoys, they can kill without any comeback. Alternatively create a new game for the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves.
I think you are looking for a PVE server and Eve doesnt have one im afraid. WoW does. :)
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:01:00 -
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So what about some tips for mining in low sec then Aeaus?
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VinLieger
Caldari
The Beiatch Corp Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:01:00 -
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Do you not check local? If a minus sec player enters the system its common sense to hide if your not tanked otherwise its your own fault
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Bolt Crimson
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:01:00 -
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What is your solution then? Give miners god mode? No PvP unless you got your PvP tag up(Like WoW)?
You do know, that this would not only ruin the pirates fun, but also the whole economy.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
When I started playing you could mine in low sec and survive as long as you stayed alert.
What ever gave you that idea? Keep an eye on local, make instadocks, fit WCS and you can avoid most hostile encounters. However, the very nature of low-sec prevents any guarantee of safety no matter how many precautions you take.
If you can't hack getting blown up, go and mine kernite in high-sec. 
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:04:00 -
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The pirates did not seem to have enjoyed it that much when I spoke to them. I could understand taking on a heavy assault ship or something else that could be a challenge but blowing up an indy, it's like popping a baloon.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
The pirates did not seem to have enjoyed it that much when I spoke to them. I could understand taking on a heavy assault ship or something else that could be a challenge but blowing up an indy, it's like popping a baloon.
They dont do it for the challenge...its just fun to kill people. You should try it. :)
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:06:00 -
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Carax is a sad panda
Originally by: Carax
The pirates did not seem to have enjoyed it that much when I spoke to them. I could understand taking on a heavy assault ship or something else that could be a challenge but blowing up an indy, it's like popping a baloon.
Yeah, sort of like that, but with more lasers and smacktalk. And opening the can is like opening Christmas presents, but with less irritating wrapping paper, and no relatives ****ing you off. Also, you have no requirement to pretend you like the contents if it does not satisfy you.
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Lance Hawke
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:06:00 -
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LOL
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:10:00 -
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And I would like to point out that you made an error in the thread title. You wrote "ruiung". Clearly a typo: that word should not be there at all.
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:13:00 -
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I stopped flying expensive ships, with lovely mods, into low sec because the risk of losing them was too great and the insurance did not even cover the cost of the ship. Now I fly cheap old ships with stuff all on and they still shoot.
You really think that the only solution is to try turning into a bully too?
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TressX
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:14:00 -
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Try training up to fly blockade runners they have incredible resistances and speed.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:14:00 -
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lowsec... Carlos Mencia says: DUH DUH DUH!
Next time bring protection.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:14:00 -
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You could, you know... shoot back?
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
Alternatively create a new game for the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves.
Actually, that's been done.
I hear it's very successful, but a bunch of idiots keep trying to get it changed to suit their needs 
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Arcterran
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:18:00 -
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Are you mining in a heavily populated low sec system? If so, you may want to move, hostiles can hide amongst the crowd and jump on you before you've figured out who's who.
If you're mining in a backwater low sec system, then it's your own fault for not watching local and safespotting when someone jumps in.
Risk vs. reward.
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:19:00 -
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Some helpful comments so far. I notice someone else has a problem with gate camping. Seems like I'm not the only one who thinks this game is too kind to rats.
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Kal Oman
Delta Desperados
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:21:00 -
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I am a miner too and I do not want solo-mining in lowsec to be risk free. This is where you and I get to PvP via proxy. I mine in low sec with a team and live. You mine in low sec solo and die. I get better prices for the minerals because you bring nothing to the market.
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Lucio
Gallente
Incorporated Holdings
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lucio on 03/09/2006 20:22:23
He does have a point, no matter how alert you are, a mining ship that isn't a fully tanked BS stands zero chance against a PvP setup and the haulers are also defenceless unless you have a top of the line T2 hauler.
Perhaps CCP should reduce damage across the system and make it more interesting for the victim rather than a foregone conclusion that the pirate always wins....
Originally by: Verus Potestas
You could, you know... shoot back?
Like hell he can! No efficiant or semi-effeciant mining build has enough modules left over to form an effective offense against PvP'ers.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:23:00 -
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good suggestion
Get some friends as protectors. Many pirates wont shoot if they feel they are outnumbered. Friends doesnt mean alts on different clients thats like knocking one out your friend is your right hand.
Dont play with 3 clients open its hard to stay alert when u have to concentrate on more than one client.
Leave your noob corp and join a real corp one that will allow you to do things together a little like first suggestion really.
As for ruining the game this has been happening since the dawn of eve its stil,l in there and it hasnt ruined the game expect it still to be in game in 3 more years.
Finally if you dont want to get blown up because your 3 clients are too much to operate effectivly and you are not able to find friends becasue of some difficulty that is unforseen by myself then stick to high sec.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lucio
He does have a point, no matter how alert you are, a mining ship that isn't a fully tanked BS stands zero chance against a PvP setup and the haulers are also defenceless unless you have a top of the line T2 hauler.
Perhaps CCP should reduce damage across the system and make it more interesting for the victim rather than a foregone conclusion that the pirate always wins....
A well prepared pilot has no excuse to get caught by anything but a covert ops cloaked ship.
It's all a matter of how paranoid you are.
I'll give you a hint, for those among you with a veldspar complex: your ship has a scanner. It is not just an offensive tool.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lucio
Originally by: Verus Potestas
You could, you know... shoot back?
Like hell he can! No efficiant or semi-effeciant mining build has enough modules left over to form an effective offense against PvP'ers.
You mean a combat ship beats an industrial ship? OH GOD NO! GAMEBREAKING ALERT! TO THE NERFMOBILE!
Back in the time I joined Eve, and my corp used to mount low sec mining ops, we had this word that seems to have fallen out of use now. It was "guards"
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:27:00 -
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it's not like you HAVE to go to low-sec, right? if you do, expect to be shot at. why? because ppl can. because it's how they play the game. next time bring a friend or two in combat ships for protection. or when ninja mining learn how to use local and the scanner. so... yes, low-sec and 0.0 is contested space. the strongest one gets the pie. or the smartest one? or...? definetely those with guns.
and tbh you should know that being almost 2 years old. it's pretty difficult to solo around so might as well recruit ppl for your private corp or join a real one... and why does it ruin the game if it has been like that for years? 
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Kal Oman
Delta Desperados
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:29:00 -
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The best tip I can give you...
Skip .4-.1 mining. Get yourself into an alliance and mine in 0.0. Its extreamly safe to mine in an alliance controlled area, even more safe than lowsec. The dues you will need to pay to be in that alliance are miniscule compared to the mins you will get.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:29:00 -
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Higher reward comes with higher risk, if you want the good rocks you need to put in effort for them. That may involve a stabbed out mining cruiser, or what about having your corp/alliance have a mining operation to provide escorts? There are ways, but if you are solo they won't be as efficient as you can do in 0.9 space.
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Starleena
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
I have just spent all day minining 0.4 sector for jaspet and had one of my alts ships blown out from under me in three shots and another one barricaded in a station so that it does not get shot at by the same jerks.
When I started playing you could mine in low sec and survive as long as you stayed alert. Nowerdays the jerks have got big ships with great weapons and unless you are also in a tank you are dead in five seconds.
It is killing the game, there should be a way to stop these killjoys, they can kill without any comeback. Alternatively create a new game for the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves.
I feel your pain, but posting on here will just get you flamed. Theres nothing on here but people who just cant understand that not everyone likes to PvP.
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Kage Getsu
Lordless
Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:38:00 -
[34]
Human rats?
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Starleena
Theres nothing on here but people who just cant understand that not everyone likes to PvP.
Actually, we can. We fully understand that not everyone wants to PvP. What we don't understand is what catastrophic misunderstanding on their part leads them to believe that they should be safe, despite their refusal to take the necessary precautions, in unsafe space, having clicked past the "OMG EBIL PIE-RATS CAN KILL YOU!" warning sign.
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:39:00 -
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I am not sayng take all the risk out, it is just that as Lucio said a mining ship stands zero chance against a PVP set-up.
I only use all three alts when I am insafe areas but I do use two in low sec.
I have resisted joining anyone else corp because of my work I can only play sporadically, perhaps I will have to try joining one.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
I am not sayng take all the risk out, it is just that as Lucio said a mining ship stands zero chance against a PVP set-up.
And yet, somehow, this is wrong?
Tell me, how good is the PvP setup at mining?
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:42:00 -
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you mean its dangerous in low security space?
NO WAI!
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:46:00 -
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LMAO! If you're mining (or ratting) in low sec, than you're already doing something very wrong!
As everyone knows, the risk vs. reward for low sec is unbalanced and you can make more money while also being safer by mining (or ratting) in 0.0! Even mining veld in hi sec should make you more money than mining in low sec! 
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Kal Oman
Delta Desperados
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kal Oman on 03/09/2006 20:51:42
Eilie speaks the truth...
You got Empire, than you got this narrow band of .4-.1, and finally this HUGE area of 0.0. PvP happens in .4- so where do you think the biggest concentration of PvP pirates like to hang?
Go into the void and your whole perspective on EvE will change quickly.
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:56:00 -
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So, off to 0.0 for me then . . .
Oh and Verus Potestas, you do not die if your PvP can not mine, whereas I die because my miner can not PvP
Spot the difference
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:59:00 -
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You mean that I fitted my ship for a purpose, combat, and sucked at mining. You fitted for mining, and sucked at combat.
Well, if you suck at combat, what can you do? Well, I guess you could either avoid combat, or have people in combat ships guard you.
But no, you can't do that, because... umm....
Wait, WHY can't you do that?
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Zimroel
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
I could understand taking on a heavy assault ship or something else that could be a challenge but blowing up an indy, it's like popping a baloon.
Remind us all where the "challenge" of mining is - seeing as you seem to like challenges. Ah yes - it's the player pirates. You appear to be trying to apply a double-standard - that player pirates should seek a challenge so that miners don't have one.
I belive the word I'm looking for is hypocrite.
Oh - and I'm NOT a pirate myself.
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Ganeus Blancus
Minmatar
Binary Logistics Inc.
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kage Getsu
Human rats?
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MadGaz
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:13:00 -
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I feel your pain Corax, those 12 year old CS players are ruining this game!! We should be able to mine in peace forever until mega and zyd are worth 0.0001isk per unit!
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:14:00 -
[46]
Zimroel, you do seem to have missed the point and then tried to score some cheap points, which is rather like the PvP bullies who love picking on miners.
Perhaps you should be rat.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eilie
LMAO! If you're mining (or ratting) in low sec, than you're already doing something very wrong!
As everyone knows, the risk vs. reward for low sec is unbalanced and you can make more money while also being safer by mining (or ratting) in 0.0! Even mining veld in hi sec should make you more money than mining in low sec!
Yep...
Reference the posts i made last week on the low sec ore.
Time you finished bringing your friends (which won't protect your jet cans, barges, or haulers anyway)
You would be able to mine more minerals in high sec asking them to fit mining lasers instead.
This is not the fault of highsec mining, it's the complete unbalance of the practice of mining in low sec with whats up for grabs and the available tactics of agressor.
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Zimroel
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Carax
Zimroel, you do seem to have missed the point and then tried to score some cheap points, which is rather like the PvP bullies who love picking on miners.
Perhaps you should be rat.
What point did I miss? The post I quoted appeared to complaining that pirates attacking miners have low risk - yet totally ignoring the fact that if pirates DIDN'T attack miners, where would the risk for miners be?
If people want to mine with zero risk then they can save themselves $15 a month by typing 1000000+1000000= into their calculator then pressing the = button every X minutes. Then just pretend the number on the calculator is ISK and voila - risk-free mining.
I DO agree that some areas of PVP in Eve look imbalanced - but anything which expedites the risk-free creation of ISK is a bad move.
So please - explain to me WHICH point it is I'm missing.
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:45:00 -
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Zim, can you re-read your post again because now you are agreeing with me on the basic point, that Eve is too skewed towards human rats.
As I have already stated I am not asking for risk free ISK I am asking for a bit more balance.
No need to try and be smart.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 03/09/2006 21:51:51
Don't mine in low-sec, it really is dangerous. It's so busy and you don't know who's going to jump into system or who's friendly or not. There are pirates who'll gladly pop you and who are positive sec status.
Solution? Join a 0.0 alliance, some of the systems around there have superb ore are quiet enough that maybe a few people will pass through every hour. If that system is in space controlled by your alliance, you are probably not going to see a hostile at all. Also, when someone DOES jump into the system, you instantly know whether they are friendly or not. The reward is also A LOT better, if you ever manage to get your hands on a hulk barge, with the proper skills and proper equipment, you could earn maybe 50million ISK in 1 hour. Just make sure you can tank the 0.0 rats.
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Arcterran
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:50:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Human rats?
A more fitting human rat
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:54:00 -
[52]
The OP has made many complaints about how what he has doing fails to defend him against pirates. What he fails to explain is why he refuses to change his strategy so he doesn't get owned so hard
If you are just going to ignore anything which becomes a problem for you or your viewpoint, why do you post in a forum labelled General Discussion
You seem unwilling to discuss any opposing view, you just want the game changed to suit your needs.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:55:00 -
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miners need to be able to do at least some rudimentry PVP (jump clones have made this much easier) i guess some ppls mentalitiy is just not done for it
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
miners need to be able to do at least some rudimentry PVP (jump clones have made this much easier) i guess some ppls mentalitiy is just not done for it
It's called "getting-another-person-to-help-guard-you-ffs"
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:07:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Carax
Zim, can you re-read your post again because now you are agreeing with me on the basic point, that Eve is too skewed towards human rats.
Get some friends as a guard. This isn't a single-player game.
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Carax
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:07:00 -
[56]
Verus Potestas - what do you expect me to do? I have posted a statement that i believe he game is too heavily weighted in favour of the PvP bullies against the miners. Some people have made constructive comments, for example I am now looking at the recruitment thread as joining a corp rather than having my own might be a way to get around the problem but it does not solve the problem, which some of the people who have posted here have also acknowledged.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:32:00 -
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For an industrial type, there are a lot of real benefits that joining a thriving alliance can offer you. One is the already mentioned escort pilots, but of even more use is that if you get with an alliance that controls their own 0.0 space it offers areas that are free of pirates for the most part. Yes, the possibility is still there, but you will see less of them and will have help available.
Then you can also consider putting up your own POS to do moon harvesting. Yeah, they can be annoying as far as the logistics and the starting price is a bit high, but they do give a steady source of income that keeps running when you are asleep. And don't forget more access to ice as well.
If there are a number of manufacturers in the alliance, it gives guaranteed customers for the minerals. Or if you are into manufacturing yourself, the combat pilots are a solid customer base as well. Get in close with them, and you can get some serious income. There is always a demand for T1 Frigates, Cruisers and even Battleships if you can produce them. You don't need to go T2 to make money producing, if you can find market needs that aren't being met. (for instance, Devoid region is really short on T1 projectile turrets, ammo, and Minmatar cruisers most of the time).
And then there is the great intangible benefit.... people to talk to in chat or on a voice server, and that sure does break up a lot of the boredom of mining.
If you are interested, my alt is in a fairly large alliance and I can check a few corps that always need mining/manufacturing types. Drop me a mail in game and I'll see what I can do.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:40:00 -
[58]
yes u can leave game now
and yes u can give me all your stuff
ty 
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:44:00 -
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OK, I will explain what I wish that you do. Provide a structured and justified answer to each of these questions, taken in order from your original post:
1a) Why do you assume people are jerks (an insult to the real life character of the player), simply because they do not play the game like you, though they are playing exactly the same game, within the same guidlines as you?
1b) Do you think insulting them makes your arguments more convicing?
2) Why should you be able to mine in unsafe space in safety, without making sacrifices or commitments to aid your safety?
3a) How has "as long as you stayed alert" changed? Were you scanning constantly to see people approching you? Were you aligned? Were you fitting (urgh) WCS or ECM? Were you watching local for pirates?
3b) Have you even tried to defend yourself, or did you just come here to complain that Eve is broken?
4) What exactly is "without any comback" supposed to mean? You recieve sec hits for opening fire, and the victim of a one-sided attack gains killrights on the aggressor. He is flagged for 15minutes, during which he will be fired upon at stations or gates (giving a huge advantage to anyone hunting him), and can be attacked without penalty. If he takes enough sec hits, he loses access to much of space. The aggressor is also just as able to be attacked as you in low sec.
5) Do you realise that "it is killing the game" is fully subjective, and what is your opinion is not holy writ, nor is it apparently near the majority view?
6) Is piracy any less valid as a way of making ISK than mining or PvE?
7a) Why do you join a game where this is allowed, and even advertised as such (the original game box said "pirate" as one of the listed professions, though admittedly, it also says bounty hunter, so that could be called into question), and then demand that it is changed to suit your needs, and another game is made for "the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves"? That game exists, it is called Eve Online, and you joined it. There are plenty of games which are totally carebear (not intended as abuse) focussed out there, yet you joined Eve Online, possibly the harshest game out there.
7b) What gives you the right to demand that the game you chose, despite it being a piratey game, be made your carebear heaven, even though there are many games out there which already fit your mould, and you have disdained them?
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Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:51:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Starleena
Originally by: Carax
I have just spent all day minining 0.4 sector for jaspet and had one of my alts ships blown out from under me in three shots and another one barricaded in a station so that it does not get shot at by the same jerks.
When I started playing you could mine in low sec and survive as long as you stayed alert. Nowerdays the jerks have got big ships with great weapons and unless you are also in a tank you are dead in five seconds.
It is killing the game, there should be a way to stop these killjoys, they can kill without any comeback. Alternatively create a new game for the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves.
I feel your pain, but posting on here will just get you flamed. Theres nothing on here but people who just cant understand that not everyone likes to PvP.
If you dont like to pvp dont go into low sec, its fairly simple.
EVE is a PVP game, the entire game is designed around PVP, maybe youre in the wrong game?
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:05:00 -
[61]
I hear WoW has an expansion comming out. You might want to try that game if you don't like PvP. I think its prettymuch a given in eve that killing people is cool. Even our comunity manager has admitted to it. Yes Kieron, that clip of you at the first fanfest before Shiva is still bouncing about
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Laythun
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:24:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
This isn't a single-player game.
Read carefully OP...
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Get some friends
Solution to all your problems
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Usotsuki
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:25:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Matrix Aran
I hear WoW has an expansion comming out. You might want to try that game if you don't like PvP.
lol, qft
How about NPC bounty hunters that just come out of the blue and start attacking people with negative standings anywhere in lowsec.
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Liegus
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:28:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Carax
Human rats are ruiung this game
*squeak squeak* !
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:40:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Verus Potestas
OK, I will explain what I wish that you do. Provide a structured and justified answer to each of these questions, taken in order from your original post:
1a) Why do you assume people are jerks (an insult to the real life character of the player), simply because they do not play the game like you, though they are playing exactly the same game, within the same guidlines as you?
1b) Do you think insulting them makes your arguments more convicing?
2) Why should you be able to mine in unsafe space in safety, without making sacrifices or commitments to aid your safety?
3a) How has "as long as you stayed alert" changed? Were you scanning constantly to see people approching you? Were you aligned? Were you fitting (urgh) WCS or ECM? Were you watching local for pirates?
3b) Have you even tried to defend yourself, or did you just come here to complain that Eve is broken?
4) What exactly is "without any comback" supposed to mean? You recieve sec hits for opening fire, and the victim of a one-sided attack gains killrights on the aggressor. He is flagged for 15minutes, during which he will be fired upon at stations or gates (giving a huge advantage to anyone hunting him), and can be attacked without penalty. If he takes enough sec hits, he loses access to much of space. The aggressor is also just as able to be attacked as you in low sec.
5) Do you realise that "it is killing the game" is fully subjective, and what is your opinion is not holy writ, nor is it apparently near the majority view?
6) Is piracy any less valid as a way of making ISK than mining or PvE?
7a) Why do you join a game where this is allowed, and even advertised as such (the original game box said "pirate" as one of the listed professions, though admittedly, it also says bounty hunter, so that could be called into question), and then demand that it is changed to suit your needs, and another game is made for "the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves"? That game exists, it is called Eve Online, and you joined it. There are plenty of games which are totally carebear (not intended as abuse) focussed out there, yet you joined Eve Online, possibly the harshest game out there.
7b) What gives you the right to demand that the game you chose, despite it being a piratey game, be made your carebear heaven, even though there are many games out there which already fit your mould, and you have disdained them?
this is a good post
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Arkanor
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:45:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Aeaus
Uhm, how the heck do you manage to die in low security if you stay alert? I mean the only possible circumstance is taking a hauler into a gate camp without checking and getting sniped =/
Yeah seriously, I've done some pretty stupid-ass things in lowsec and managed to make it out
Originally by: Ghosthowl
WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face.
Originally by: HippoKing
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tadig smik
Taintclan Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.04 00:33:00 -
[67]
Unless, you're mining with a group of people, leave the mining barge docked! That or hire someone to defend you while you're mining.
Who in their right mind would solo a mining barge? Even in .6 the rats will chew it up without outside help.
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.04 02:15:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Noriath
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
There is a way, its requires less whining and more shooting the people shooting you.
You try killing a good pirate in this game, it's pretty much impossible.
Either they snipe you while warp aligned to a safespot, sniping back will only make them warp, so your chance of killing them is pretty much zero unless you have a whole gang including covops hunting them, and even then you will only get them if they are lazy and don't change sniperspots every so often or just log out when they see local filling up with hostiles.
Or alternatively they are in a really fast ship, preferably a vagabond, because nothing that it can't outrun can kill it and nothing that can kill it it can't outrun. Ultra fast ships are also next to immune to warp bubbles because the won't stay in them for more then 3 seconds.
While I agree that there is no point to whining, fighting back is really not very easy right now, the amount of time, effort, people and not to mention luck it takes to kill a single pirate is so great that you will make more money by just ignoring the losses and don't try to fight back or take revenge.
This post is much better.
QFT
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.04 02:54:00 -
[69]
what seems like a long while ago, i too found out the hard way that a barge will pop to even a half-decentley fitted cruiser in Under Ten Seconds!
now you learnt 
don't do it!
lowsec + barge - escort = death
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Madcat Adams
Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:19:00 -
[70]
While I have little to no sympathy for pirates, this game is made for them as much as it's made for carebears. As far as I'm concerned, so long as a reasonable balance is maintained it should stay that way. The realism is what makes Eve the best mmorpg out there. Working in low sec, especially solo as is my own preference as well, means you stand a chance of having your *** shot off. Take what precautions you can. Such as taking escort, using your scanner regularly, or just try to stay in the shadows as I do.
Play it smart and your chances of survival go way up. Just don't forget, some time your gonna lose a ship. Take a breather, hunt them down, whatever you gots to do just remember it isn't the end of the world.
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Skraelingz
Gallente
Gallente Federal Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:24:00 -
[71]
mine in 0.0 the ore is sexier, and if someone joins local that you dont know you LEAVE immediatly and waalaa you didnt die. people dont ore steal in 0.0 they are there to kill you or rat. thus they dont have the capacity to steal your ore anyway.
mine in 0.0
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:30:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 04/09/2006 03:34:17
There really has been a lot said that's good, but I'll repeat it anyway:
Get friends.
Even if you don't play regularly due to RL, get with a corp that suits your playstyle. I reckon most industrial outfits wouldn't mind if you're not there 4 hours every single night, and if you're with a corp you should mostly have access to collaborative mining operations.
If you have enough people, having two-three of you in combat-fitted battleships or some such support shouldn't be a serious dent in mining effectiveness, and most pure pirates will frown at their odds in that situation. If you are mining a location that requires a jump or two for the haulers, have one of those escort guys in an interceptor or cov-op patrolling the route.
Also, if there is a station in your mining system, make sure everyone has a combat ready ship of their choice ready in the station. That way, if the escort reports a hostile gang coming in, everyone can switch with no fuzz and you might even get kills! :D
(Golden scenario there - switch to q-ship BSes at that time: have a few mining lasers on each one and just go back mining. When the nasties come in, keep the mining lasers on but start shooting with the guns and have a few guys tackle them. Then revel in your killmails.)
End of the story is quite simple: get friends. It is an MMO, after all, so having buddies to play with should be one of the key motivations for paying your subscription fee anyway, shouldn't it?
Also, if you want a good place to learn, talk to EVE University. Good bunch from what I hear, an RL mate of mine flew with them a while back and really liked it.
Edit: As an ex-carebear tho, I really got to say that you should ditch the mining lasers and try some high-caliber turrets or sleek sexy interceptors. I used to find mining meditative and would strip systems in lowsec on my own, but then I was with JF a while and now I just want the adrenaline nothing but Player versus Player combat can give.
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Richard Kruspe
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:35:00 -
[73]
I have an awesome idea how bout everyone go pirate and then there will be no complaining. Just imagine when you dont have to mine everyday and go around killing ppl for you own benefit. Thats teh game for me 
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:38:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Laocoon
Originally by: Verus Potestas
OK, I will explain what I wish that you do. Provide a structured and justified answer to each of these questions, taken in order from your original post:
1a) Why do you assume people are jerks (an insult to the real life character of the player), simply because they do not play the game like you, though they are playing exactly the same game, within the same guidlines as you?
1b) Do you think insulting them makes your arguments more convicing?
2) Why should you be able to mine in unsafe space in safety, without making sacrifices or commitments to aid your safety?
3a) How has "as long as you stayed alert" changed? Were you scanning constantly to see people approching you? Were you aligned? Were you fitting (urgh) WCS or ECM? Were you watching local for pirates?
3b) Have you even tried to defend yourself, or did you just come here to complain that Eve is broken?
4) What exactly is "without any comback" supposed to mean? You recieve sec hits for opening fire, and the victim of a one-sided attack gains killrights on the aggressor. He is flagged for 15minutes, during which he will be fired upon at stations or gates (giving a huge advantage to anyone hunting him), and can be attacked without penalty. If he takes enough sec hits, he loses access to much of space. The aggressor is also just as able to be attacked as you in low sec.
5) Do you realise that "it is killing the game" is fully subjective, and what is your opinion is not holy writ, nor is it apparently near the majority view?
6) Is piracy any less valid as a way of making ISK than mining or PvE?
7a) Why do you join a game where this is allowed, and even advertised as such (the original game box said "pirate" as one of the listed professions, though admittedly, it also says bounty hunter, so that could be called into question), and then demand that it is changed to suit your needs, and another game is made for "the boys who just want to shot everything and let them play with themselves"? That game exists, it is called Eve Online, and you joined it. There are plenty of games which are totally carebear (not intended as abuse) focussed out there, yet you joined Eve Online, possibly the harshest game out there.
7b) What gives you the right to demand that the game you chose, despite it being a piratey game, be made your carebear heaven, even though there are many games out there which already fit your mould, and you have disdained them?
this is a good post
QFT: great response
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Infinity Ziona
Feet Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:40:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Aeaus
Uhm, how the heck do you manage to die in low security if you stay alert? I mean the only possible circumstance is taking a hauler into a gate camp without checking and getting sniped =/
Gang with a recon ship or two is going to be really hard to beat. Have your recon alt, set him up in his own corporation, call it 'Something Mining and Manufacturering' or whatever, keep his sec rating high, jump him into the system first, find a mission running guy or miner, scrambling and jam / damp. Then jump your killing ship in.
Unless you dock with every single new person that enters a system, you can never escape from that unless you log out.
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Karlemgne
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:17:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Carax
The pirates did not seem to have enjoyed it that much when I spoke to them. I could understand taking on a heavy assault ship or something else that could be a challenge but blowing up an indy, it's like popping a baloon.
They pop you, steal your ore and mods, and sell them. They're pirates, this is how they make money. It isn't about the challenge, its about the isk, AND the exciting life of PvP.
Plus, without the pirates, my friend, your haul of low sec ore would be worthless. It is percisely because miners like you get blown up, that the value minerals extracted from ore mined in low sec have a high value.
-K
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Ezok Lyrad
Minmatar
SANDMADI EXPLORATION AND EXTRACTION KOMPANY
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:19:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Bolt Crimson
What is your solution then? Give miners god mode? No PvP unless you got your PvP tag up(Like WoW)?
You do know, that this would not only ruin the pirates fun, but also the whole economy.
I doubt it would ruin it, just change it. For beeter or for worse who could say?
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Flinx Evenstar
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Posted - 2006.09.04 05:23:00 -
[78]
OP, you realise that the market in eve is player driven...
So the expensive minerals are not going to be the easiest to obtain.
Just quit mining all together..it's so dull lol
Originally by: Noriath
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
There is a way, its requires less whining and more shooting the people shooting you.
You try killing a good pirate in this game, it's pretty much impossible.
Either they snipe you while warp aligned to a safespot, sniping back will only make them warp, so your chance of killing them is pretty much zero unless you have a whole gang including covops hunting them, and even then you will only get them if they are lazy and don't change sniperspots every so often or just log out when they see local filling up with hostiles.
The hardest thing to hunt is a pirate, thats what makes it so rewarding. And believe it or not, some ppl play this game for fun, not to hoard isk
I'd have loved to have seen [name removed to prevent flaming war]'s face yesterday when he logged back in after "his connection dropped" during combat to find himself in a clone station after we scanned down his pod :)...
Oh and good pirates have lovely faction fitted ships, VERY nice loot lol
I'm a proud anti pirate :) NOS/CVA...but this game would be boring without them.
Mine in low sec at your own risk
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Uuve Savisaalo
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2006.09.04 05:46:00 -
[79]
the answer goes something like: adapt or die (and go elsewhere)
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E'Veel P'Tiga
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Posted - 2006.09.04 06:26:00 -
[80]
Edited by: E''Veel P''Tiga on 04/09/2006 06:27:41
Ok, I'm going to try and give the OP some tips here. I mine in low sec only and have yet to be killed.
Here's how I go about it.
1. I find a system that has little traffic. I use a shuttle to scout these possible locations.
2. Once I find a suitable location i make instas, with the shuttle, from roids to station to gates to safe spots etc.
3. I then go get my hauler stuffed with two shuttles and fly back in the shuttle to get my mining ship and a combat ship.
4. Once I have all my ships I start my operation. I go out and mine. I make sure I'm alligned with an escape route. I also mine at the furthest point in the belt from the beacon since this is where pirates jump in. Being far from the jump in point and being allign gives you precious time needed to escape.
5. Watch the local channel like a hawk. If your not sure about someone your better off just going to a safe spot and cheak them out. Jet cans last a while so you can wait it out or jump in a combat ship to chase them away.
6. Change cans offen. You never know for how long you might need to run around or clear npc rats. I'm not worried about my can. Someone in a pirate ship has a small hold so they can't really steal much. Ore thieves are another matter but were not talking about them.
7.When the cans filled I get the hauler and bring in the ore and start the process over.
I know this isn't the most profitable way to mine but it's a lot more fun then mining in High sec. It's unfortunate you view "Human Rats" as you call them as a pain in the ass. Mining is boring without them. I find it exciting to get chased around, or jumping to a safespot scanning to see if the guy in the system is after me. I also take satisfaction being able to frustrate them cuz they cant catch me. Or switch to my combat ship and switch the roles around and become the hunter. The problem is you've put yourself in a situation that you don't want to be in. You also say you can't equip your ship to deal with pirates but your in a mining ship and there in combat ships. You can't have your cake and eat it too. What would be the point of having ship classes if all ships could do everything.
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JoeT
Amarr
Devils collective
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Posted - 2006.09.04 07:06:00 -
[81]
I wish to point you to this link:
link
Paying attn to the following statments:
̣ Enter space with security status below 0.5 at own risk. You can NEVER expect to be safe in unsecured space regardless of sentry guns, CONCORD presence, and such.
̣ Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime.
̣ Don't rely on Sentry Guns to keep you a 100% safe. Especially not when traveling in unsecured space. There are several tactical ways to avoid sentry gun fire, which are NOT considered to be an exploit.
̣ Keep an eye on local; if people warp jam your ship, offer to pay them to stay alive - sometimes it works and any chance is better than the alternative.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.09.04 07:29:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Bolt Crimson
No PvP unless you got your PvP tag up(Like WoW)?
Aah explains why you play EVE as a lowsec gateganker/hisec ganker or exploiter.
You don't like free PvP where your at risk of being killed. Neighter did you play WoW.
I play WoW for fun PvP .. I play EVE to .. well err, train skills and hope for better tomorrow.
Unnerf Amarr!
"Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.04 07:47:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Carax
0.4
'Nuff said
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Henry Fredyericus
Gallente
H.F. Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.04 08:08:00 -
[84]
Hate and confusion about piracy tend to raise, when you see only the external face of it. To understand, why people like to pirate, you should become one of them. Don't be surprised, when you start to like it and find yourself being the guy whos harrasing your past fellow miners.
The same kind of experience came to me through Ultima Online. Early when Ultima Online was in it's early stage in year 97-98, the major profession in UO was thievery. Back then, when you stopped to talk to some guy and lost your attention, you would have been robbed blind behind your back.
I used to hate thievery so much that send the same kind of whine letters, like yours, to Richard Garriot, the head dev of UO back then. So the inevitable thing happend and the thieves were nerfed badly.
But that is not the point of the story. The point of the story is that years after that I trained myself to be a thief amongst thieves and it was the best fun I had in the whole history of my UO gameplay. Then I really hated that the thieves were nerfed so badly back then and well I was also a bit embarrased of my whining on thievery
If A is success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut. - Mr. Einstein |
Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.04 08:20:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Starleena
I feel your pain, but posting on here will just get you flamed. Theres nothing on here but people who just cant understand that not everyone likes to PvP.
I understand it perfectly. However, EvE has a concept, unlike most other (****ty) MMOs out there, which makes it great; this concept is Risk vs Reward.
You choose to mine in lowsec to reap greater rewards, you also choose to put yourself in harm's way.
If you don't like the heat, get out of the oven. Or sun. Or whatever.
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