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Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:16:00 - [31] Hunter, some of us have felt this way for a while. General...priorities... //Maya
Tarri FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:22:00 - [32] Originally by: wild Ari Originally by: 000Hunter000 That seems to be a general consensus, lately i've been hearing a lot of people talk about rather seeing ccp fix current problems instead of adding more content. I'd really like to hear a devs/ccp spokesman view on this, why not fix current problems first instead of adding even more content? cause both is handled by different groups. and you dont want to have a 3d artist working on database code, do you? Hmm, that could be the cause of all the problems... ----
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:28:00 - [33] Me, I'm just stubborn. If the day comes when only one person is left in EVE, it will be me. I've invested too much time, effort and money into it now, so even if they take all the empire space out and just turn it into a massive ganking ground for a 1000 strong horde of rampant PVPers, I'll still pay my subscription. I'll just never leave the station, that's all. --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Siege on 03/09/2006 23:37:39 Edited by: Siege on 03/09/2006 23:36:25 Originally by: Archangel Raphael would i be right in saying that these forums, although there not frequented by every eve player, do represent the a good cross section of the community? I think otherwise. Folks that are unhappy with the game for whatever reason, or are having problems, are the ones that generally frequent forums. At least, thats the way I see it in the case of most MMO's I've played. This doesn't take away any of the validity of their complaints, which are quite legitimate for the vast majority of the people who are on the forums and upset about something. But they are in the forums because something in the game either prevents them from playing, or makes them angry while playing. And if you check the offical forums for any game, chances are you will see big threads about people being angry about something. But remember, when at peak, there are 25,000+ players on tranquility. You probably have a single digit percentage of that in the forums at the most. Happy players that are able to play and have the game on their minds are probably playing in one form or another. Yeah, they may come into the forum to check on updates or get advice. They may also have their own issues, but don't feel so strongly that they are going to log off to voice their complaints. They are in-game enjoying the parts they enjoy. After all, if you were enjoying something, would you stop doing it to tell a bunch of strangers how cool it is? This is why you see so many new posters, and angry ones, when the server goes down. They WERE happy in the game, now they are either unhappy with something in the game or unhappy because they can't be in the game. Me, I'm probably in the minority on these forums. I love the game. Yeah, there are some minor issues that annoy me, but for the most part I prefer to play. BUT... I'm at work.
Akira Kaneshiro Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:42:00 - [35] I am very excite about the possibility to see this game go BOOM! ---- sig of truth ---- Stop whining. Deal with it or quit the game.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:20:00 - [36] oh please the game is fine. Try moving your ass out of jita maybe or shutting down those 3 other accounts you aren't using. I'm a rathunter in 0.0 space, locals ranging from 1 tot 40 when theres nothing special going on : little to no lag. Now in combat there is a bit more lag yah but imo bookmarks are the major cause of trouble in eve atm. I've seen games in a much much worse condition
Capt Harlock Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:32:00 - [37] Tbh the only thing i see is the forums becoming more unconstructive and lots of whining yup it is your right to whine and I guess that is the nature of these forums. I read oveur's latest dev blog and it shows that CCP are listening. Most of the legitimate gripes that people have seem to have been taken on board Rome wasn't built in a day the old saying goes. To me Eve is like a toddler learning to walk they fall over alot. I think sometimes we forget how complex this game really is. Eve has really only just begun. Personally due to the issues i've spent a bit more time doing other stuff like fishing, going out drinking, watching movies and spending quality time with the GF in the bedroom. My skills train nicely while I don't play for a bit but i don't mind because if it gets better thats great. If it doesn't then i'll miss this great game terribly but somehow I don't see that happening tbh.Iirc it was hellmar who said CCP have plans/ideas for 10 more years of patches. In a few more years i'll probably quit reading the forums b4 i quit playing eve anyway.
Moelann	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:35:00 - [38] For me, this has been the 4th weekend in a row that EVE has been close to or unplayable. The lag today was 15 - 30 seconds for anything to happen. The devs are trying to do too much too fast without fixing the problems as they go. The problems are multiplying exponentially, because of this. Its great that there were 28K people online today, but, if only half of them are getting good performance, thats not something to be proud of. That is something that needs attention, immediately. It won't impress new customers, either. I have cancelled my account. Maybe, I will come back and check the game out after 3 or 4 months, depending what I read on these forums. What I am getting now for my 15 bucks a month isn't worth it. Wake-up CCP !!!
Peri Helion Amarr Omega Whiskey Tango Foxtrot	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:49:00 - [39] Originally by: RedClaws oh please the game is fine. Try moving your ass out of jita maybe or shutting down those 3 other accounts you aren't using. I'm a rathunter in 0.0 space, locals ranging from 1 tot 40 when theres nothing special going on : little to no lag. Now in combat there is a bit more lag yah but imo bookmarks are the major cause of trouble in eve atm. I've seen games in a much much worse condition Well, I live in 0.0 and I get lagged out in systems with only a few (less than 5 sometimes) just because of the node sharing structure. I think the OP has some valid points and concerns. Look at the real world. What usually happens to companies that have a queue of Customer Service tickets that is getting longer and not shorter? You begin to lose repeat buyers. Or if the manufacturer issues patches to your software applications that contain "Stealth Code" that suddenly invalidates functionality? These aren't new or unique incidents specific to CCP. Companies for decades have faced similar problems. Those that can handle it come out the other side with a product that is even better than what they had before. But the fact remains that despite the best efforts of a great company (no other game company communicates as much as CCP in my experience), they seem to be sliding further down the slope, not climbing. The list of known issues is quite long, and does not seem to get any smaller (my personal pet peeve is the broken bonuses on POS Control Towers). And now with the recent Dragon Patch, I am once again confused. You mean to tell me it was only after installing Dragon on TQ that CCP became aware of what a problem BM copying was? And this because the default threshold on the jump queue system was left at 85% and not the 95% it was supposed to be? This statement implies that CCP has NO WAY of measuring what game actions or mechanics are impacting their servers. But wait, if that is the case, how did they pinpoint the fact that BM copying is impacting it now? Hmmm. To me it means that either they don't have a means of definitively stating what is causing server lag and they are making an educated guess, or they do know for sure and have all along but haven't taken any action until now. I don't know which is worse, but neither is optimal. They should be fixing what is broken. Instead they are applying Marketing 102 (and this I can speak of from experience): When customer base starts getting restless and I cant give them fixes for broken functionality, lets give them something shiny and new to distract them. Whether this is what they are really doing or not, who knows. But I can tell you this is what many companies do in situations like this so it is pretty suspicious. Its sort of like a couple whose marriage is on the rocks deciding to have a baby because that will fix what is wrong with the relationship. Instead all it does is bring another person into the same mess as before. For the record, I have 8 accounts and I will be here until something better comes along (because despite all of this I have vented, this is still the best game arround). But unless CCP addresses this, then it will be that much easier for someone else to come along with something better. And I will happily flush by $100+ a month into someone elses game.
Anemus Thuella	Posted - 2006.09.04 01:24:00 - [40] Edited by: Anemus Thuella on 04/09/2006 01:24:56 Well, I'm a noob who has subscribed for a month so my experience in this game is very limited. But the only dealbreaking things I've encountered so far in this game is the bookmarks and lag. Yesterday when I attended Agonys PVP-Uni copying those bookmarks that we needed was not fun. Copying from the can to my "people & places" went fine but then copying them back to the container was a nightmare. I couldn't copy directly to the container so I had to copy to my hangar and since they took a long time to appear in my hangar I kind of repeated the copying-thing 2-3 times and ended up with a total mess in my hangar. Cleaning that up and getting the bookmarks in to the can, so I could return it, was the most crappy thing I've experienced in this game. The other thing that got some choice swear words out of me was the lag I experienced in one of our battles. Just sitting there and watching events after they had already happened and not being able to do anything about it was frustrating. I shudder to to think of how it might have been had the engagement been larger in scale. The rest of the game I have found as advertised and alot of fun.
Chiron Typhon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.09.04 02:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Price Watcher Originally by: Aeaus I doubt they care too much about TQ anymore, it's gone from "We appreciated you," to "Stop whining, and this isn't my problem." CCP care more about China, it's a more profitable (and easier to run) market for them =/ I think we have a winner here! With the China Cash Cow CCP no longer cares about the rest of us. /tinfoil hat Do you have any idea how absurd all you conspiracy theorists sound to rational people? If I make $100 from one guy and $200 from the next guy do I tell the first guy he's no longer welcome because the other guy is likely to pay me $300 next month? No, I take both lots of business and make $300 this month and $400 next month. Lump all this stupidity into the same basket as 'zOMG CCP hate PvEers/PvPers and want us to quit" and other such Bizarro World craziness about the secret worldwide CCP-led Illuminati agenda to spoil your online experience. I remember being 14 and stupid but not this stupid or paranoid. New and smaller by request =p "Draw them in by the prospect of gain, take them by confusion" -Sun Tzu
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.04 02:52:00 - [42] If anyone thinks Eve-China is a major cash cow, they've not done their research. //Maya
DaveJ777	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:11:00 - [43] A bookmark rewrite would fix much of the lag. Instead of making every single bookmark a separate DB entry, each folder should be a separate entry. Then an entire folder could be copied almost instantly, and then even 1week old noobs will be able to afford them. This would also fix the problem of losing BM folders when clearing the cache. ___________________________________________ I win eve!
Infinity Ziona Feet Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:13:00 - [44] Also playing WoW for fun. EvE just because I can train offline without playing too much. I bet if you had to actually play to advance a lot of people would not. I certainly wouldnt. Click Me
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:16:00 - [45] Or how about a system that gives you a viable alternative to instas, that you don't have to worry about folders, copying, buying. Something that everybody has. And it's integrated into the existing gameplay in a seamless way from a player perspective. (Though I am not endorsing 'Warp to 0' here) Then CCP can worry about the bookmark database without having so many players angry at them if it the bookmarks get nerfed/get changed/get limited, etc....
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:22:00 - [46] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Essay Bookmarks gone = lots of people happy again. Some might need a while to get used to not having an I-WIN button, but they'll get over it. And yes, this is a related reply.
alpha seno UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Chiron Typhon Originally by: Price Watcher Originally by: Aeaus I doubt they care too much about TQ anymore, it's gone from "We appreciated you," to "Stop whining, and this isn't my problem." CCP care more about China, it's a more profitable (and easier to run) market for them =/ I think we have a winner here! With the China Cash Cow CCP no longer cares about the rest of us. /tinfoil hat Do you have any idea how absurd all you conspiracy theorists sound to rational people? If I make $100 from one guy and $200 from the next guy do I tell the first guy he's no longer welcome because the other guy is likely to pay me $300 next month? No, I take both lots of business and make $300 this month and $400 next month. Lump all this stupidity into the same basket as 'zOMG CCP hate PvEers/PvPers and want us to quit" and other such Bizarro World craziness about the secret worldwide CCP-led Illuminati agenda to spoil your online experience. I remember being 14 and stupid but not this stupid or paranoid. QFT
Coasterbrian Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:35:00 - [48] It's amazing to me how many people have such short memories. Does anyone remember in the castor days when lots of people were quitting saying "I'll come back when shiva hits"? This is the same thing. Oh, and people are talking about game breaking changes and all that crap. Again, we've seen it before. Cruise missile kessie nerf, people adapted. Dual MWD nerf, people adapted. Thorax drone bay nerf, people adapted. Missile changes, people adapted (despite all the whiners screaming doom and gloom on the forums). Drone changes, people adapted. Insta nerf, people will adapt. Oh, and the game was far more broken when level 4 missions were isk mines and you could do them with a 1 million skillpoint character in a raven. Yes, the game has issues, it always has, and it always will. Eve is far too complex to ever be perfect. Hell, the "undocumented features" are part of what makes this game interesting. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Temerlyn Minmatar STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:37:00 - [49] Build a bridge... Even if the worst happens and eve looses alot of its clientel due to game issues they do have china to keep them money fueled. Thus the tinfoil hats about china being their main baby now is so sad and stupid its not funny. If you guys watched the eve-tv broadcasts one of the devs mentioned there was a time when ccp was technically bankrupt and eve almost died, but the blighters pushed through and now have a decent subscriber base and now branching into a market where very few other mogs have truely catered for. All this leads to money, more money = more people to hire to get things working again and to add more content. And for those who keep complaining about fixing this and fixing that, your not coders are you. It takes time and deadlines are also there so aspects not deemed critical get left behind. If you have been in the game 3+ years you know this game has improved far beyond what it started out as. When kali gets released there will be stacks of new things to play with that should hopefully keep us fueled till kali 2 and so on. Kali for me needs to come out very soon, i am getting bored of whats available and need new stuff. The problems that arise atm are very common and you expect it. For those who think wow is better and such, enjoy your 30min - 1 hour que's, lag, 50 high end raids to get 1 item, repetition of a totally static environment.
Skraelingz Gallente Gallente Federal Bank	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:39:00 - [50] Originally by: 000Hunter000 I've been activly playing this game for almost 2.5 years now and i've had ups and downs and not planning to quit for quite some time but the forums where never as bad as they are these days with negativity and this concerns me. After having played DAoC for 5 years... this is nothing as far as whining goes. take a stop by the VN boards if you dont believe me. -----------------------------------------------
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.04 03:50:00 - [51] Well atm i see eve growing and its a positive thing. I believe that the more people we have the better it will be for the game. Ofc witht hat new influx we have less performance out of our server, im sure CCP knows that and im sure their working on it. They are a company and business is what they do, they know that keeping us happy is essential for their survival. They also know how much strain this game can take because they know that the community that plays this game is hardcore and loves this game. Regardless of how many whine threads there are its important to note most of those people still play. CCP knows that there are elements in the game that arent balanced and im sure they know their server may need a boost soon. HOwever keep this in mind: CCP is currently running many projects (Kali, China, TGC, German lang etc) while refusing to increase the size of their company considerably. WHY? Because they have a vision and its worked thus far, im sure most of us can say that regardless of the bad times we play ever over any other mmo because its a great game. They dont want to have more people who will distort the vision for the future of this game. Now with that said i think we just need to give them time, they probably have too much in their hands atm and im sure as a company they will learn from this experience, if not they will surely pay for it. Now go back to ur corps and kill stuff.....lots of stuff...maybe even raid jita w/e....
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.04 05:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Death Kill on 04/09/2006 05:25:05 Edited by: Death Kill on 04/09/2006 05:24:35 Originally by: RedClaws I'm a rathunter in 0.0 space, locals ranging from 1 tot 40 when theres nothing special going on : little to no lag. Wow, 40 in local and NO lag? This is the wrong thread to go all 'I live in 0.0 I'm l337'. I totally agree with Price Watchers signature We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS. Recruitment
Mr Xzomo Carebear Industries	Posted - 2006.09.04 08:42:00 - [53] People are short sightet. I have been playing for over 2 and a half year. Then you gett some perspective. Eve on the brink off death ? When i started playing EVE, there was as most 5000k on a sunday evening. During periodes in 2004 i was logged out serveral times in an evening also, but CCP fiexed it and they will again. All you whiners out there, you are like people complaining about how bad you fotboll team are playing, but you cant even hit a ball yourself. If you think they (CCP) aren't clever enough, buy a ticket and go to Island and help them yourself. Its not Notepad.exe we are talking about here ppl, Its far more bigger&complicated than any game world ever constructed. Im sure they are doing all they can and more. You whiners are angry with ppl trying to help you. These problems will pass ! /Mr Xzomo
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.04 08:48:00 - [54] CCP are doing a lot of work on the game, and the result is that it isn't available 23/7 right now? I can live with it. And TBH I played Eve all my free time weekend just gone, in a combination of empty 0.0 and Jita itself, and it wasn't really that bad. Just need to find something else to do when I'm disconnected. ----------
Magnum III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2006.09.04 09:00:00 - [55] Edited by: Magnum III on 04/09/2006 09:02:01 Edited by: Magnum III on 04/09/2006 09:01:16 They told you guys 15,000 times they have teams on new content and some on fixing stuff and the do not intermingle as it were. So... SHUT IT!!! Originally by: Price Watcher The origional poster is right in everything he said. CCP had better listen to him. That is what they did with SWG. This game is fine. Forums are for loser whiners and people who want a little info every once in a while. Play it like it or forget it, just like any other MMORPG.
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 09:26:00 - [56] I agree, the forums are not representative for the eve community...if it was the game would be dead by now. Its an experience I made already, you read the forums too much and suddenly think that EVE goes downhill...then I spend a weekend with my corp on ops pwning people in 0.0 and realize its still as fun as always. Sure there is lag, but its not the end of all days.
Slaaght Bana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.04 10:15:00 - [57] The quality control situation of the rollouts needs to be improved. Too many unplanned changes seem to creep in. The system jump queues, the German localisation that was supposed to be language change only but actually stopped a patch from going ahead. CCP really need to sit back, take a deep breath, and take a good overall view of the situation and fix whatever is outstanding before attemting Kali. Kali sounds like a major change. Way bigger than Dragon, and it doesn't bear thinking about how badly this could go wrong with the current QA on rollouts. Hell, if it's due to the lack of testing on Singularity then close Tranquility for a day about a week before the patch to force people to test code. It would certainly be preferable to the current state if TQ.
LaCoHa Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2006.09.04 10:38:00 - [58] Another thing - EVE age requirement: You should have to be at least 18 to play this game. Teenagers kill games like eve (ok maybe 16, but you'd have to pass some sort of gaming maturity test).
Caztra Tor	Posted - 2006.09.04 11:03:00 - [59] I will second the age requirement/maturity test. The deal is that there are some very real issues with lag and playability of the game right now. But with the large influx of players from those "other" mmo's, this difficult time is being exploited by them to seek an actual change in the game mechanics themselves. Although this thread has some good points, the n00bs are using the discontent to seek changes such as a reduction of the loss from death. You have been playing this game long enough to know that CCP is well aware of what is expressed on these boards. Your memory should be one of cooperation between CCP and its players. Indeed, a sense of responsiveness. Then again, maybe they hired someone from SWG or something and things have changed. I would expect intelligent, objective, cool headed analysis of any problem from someone who has played eve for over a year. Caztra Tor
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.04 11:03:00 - [60] Patch = instability = flaming = hostile community. Nowt more than that. I reckon there's a few things in eve that bug me a bit, but in general it's going from strength to strength.

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