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Lady Ghoulia
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:10:00 -
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the main reason for posting on the forum is that you're whining about something, which is why it feels that there's a bad mood game-wide. forums dont reflect the community
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:10:00 -
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yep... scared, scared that eve will be going down the tubes fast soon, oh yeah the number of people online at once is going up almost every sunday but for how long? How long till the negative feelings get the upper hand and drives people away?
After observing the forums for quite some time i'm noticing the general mood is going downhill, people fed up with lag, crashes and hidden changes and the new thing seems to be the gloomy idea that the china cluster is now the new kid on the block and were the ignored stephchild... not very good publicity it seems.
I've been activly playing this game for almost 2.5 years now and i've had ups and downs and not planning to quit for quite some time but the forums where never as bad as they are these days with negativity and this concerns me.
So i'm fearing that this is the beginning of the end for this game unless we start pulling it together.
I'd like to see ccp actually postponing Kali in favor of fixing the current issues first. I'd also like to see them starting some sort of poll, before u fix it shouldn't u actually try to find out if people would like to see it 'fixed'? U can't rely on a few hotheaded posts on the forum imo and i sure hope ccp isn't making decisions on those alone.
So give me your input, would u prefer Kali to be postponed in favor of fixing current problems? Should ccp direct it's path more to the wishes of the players? (remember this might turn out that a majority of people would like to see eve safer and less pvp minded, which is prolly an abomination in the eyes of some but a godsgift in the eyes of others)
Please keep it polite thats all i ask and as for me, i'm sticking to my idea that if it's not broken, then don't try to fix it. (it also gave me a way to vent my concerns a bit  )
Fire away guys and have a nice game 
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:14:00 -
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I love the game preach the game for friends and such play it alot!!! but lately im enjoing WOW and getting more and more ****ed of each time I try to play EVE. Patch bla bla expect some minor problems put on long skill... whatever its getting ridiculus now and im actually having my first thoughts ever of quiting. /sigh I lost days now in skill training. If I do leave you can have my stuff.
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Asschen
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:15:00 -
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i'd like to seem them scrap the german text bull**** along with other stuff, the server needs better taking care off, not new additions at this time.
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Tradingjoe
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:17:00 -
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If the future quality we can expect is like the bookmark change, eve is going to be having issues.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:19:00 -
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tbh eve is going down i think its realy started after exodus, this big comunity is not good thing and atm what ccp is triing to do is just remove solo/small scale pvp
tbh i realy waiting for kali and if will be as i think i gona leave eve ...
Hey i get paid to be ebil  - Xorus
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 03/09/2006 21:25:57
Yeah whining we are... but we have damn right to whine now. Man we should all be able to expect atleast a "running" patch before its deployed. Yes glitches bugs but this **** is ridiculus. Siriously its very very bad. And you keep fixing fixes over and over, is it gonna blow up soon? And this skill system is great... but when I loose training time cause you cant keep the server up its very annoying. Blah /rant
wait.. all this now for bookmarks? BOOKMARKS? great my game has been brought down by ppl that copy bookmarks. should I get annoyed by the players or dev's?
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:29:00 -
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I'm not scared for the future of Eve simply because it's only a game. There are a lot of far more important things going on right now that merit fear, a computer game just doesn't rate.
But I do think Eve is skirting around the edge of a dark age right now. It's had issues before but they were resolved fairly quickly and decisively. This time issues are dragging on apparently unattended. Patches are released that kill entire career options..or delayed multiple times. Solutions are proposed that are (sorry to be rude, devs) half-arsed.
Something is going wrong at CCP. I think the game complexity has reached a level that is threatening to overwhelm the devs. It has the feeling of a project that has lost its way (I've seen enough of them in my job). Someone needs to take a step back, reassess and come up with a plan.
It would be nice to think that Kali will pull the game together. I hope that the current issues are because they've been concentrating too much on Kali. I do think that if Kali just sits on top of the current game mechanics it is going to be a failed attempt to shore things up.
We're still a long way from real problems but (with much regret) I no long view Eve as the paragon of MMORPGs. Technologically it's awesome but the game play is shaky. I've got all my fingers and toes crosse for CCP but I really hope they know that their 'baby' is in difficulty and can sort it out.
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Contralto
Gallente
Binary Fringe inc
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:33:00 -
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Yes I have to agree with the OP I also sense a growing swell of discontent, more than 50% of the threads are venting frustration and the "Quit whining go play Wow trolls" are dwindling. Ive seen game companies close forums when the negativity has reached these levels, it does more harm than good to the noob recruitment.
Anyways to lighten things up here is the link to INONIMATES awesome tale of travel thro Eve with nary a troll to be seen in 25 pages, and equally no whines. INONIMATES Journey thro 0.0
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Cailais
Amarr
THE SEFRIM INSTITUTE
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:35:00 -
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EVEs fine. Its had a new influx of players, some from WoW, SWG and elsewhere, and that player base has different expectations of how a MMO should be.
I'm confident CCP are working quietly and purposefully to make EVE an even better game for all.
Im sure CCP don't post too often here now becuase quite honestly the 'tone' of posts has become a bit newbish - often just to incite the flame: I mean would you?. But there are still some vets occasionaly posting words of wisdom. When you log in is EVE really all that different from how it was two weeks ago? Two months? No, not really. Sure servers go down, thats the nature of MMOs - they're comparatively new gaming technology, and EVE is at the forefront of that.
I hope CCP bring on Kali, and leave the forum winers to do just that.
If anything breaks EVE and causes it to fail it won't be CCP, or EVE itself - but the community and if anything needs a patch - its that.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:36:00 -
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CCP got more then they could bargain for with huge increase of player base, new hardware, patches, upgrades, code branches, MAGAzines, german languages, nerfing, balancing, gencon leipzeig, E3 ,EVE Card, game new personell, hundreds of "future" plans in the works, KALI and ppl copying bookmarks with idiots creating a million petitions about what cake to have with their coffe and bugreporters that ignore everyhting unless "PERFECTLY" written and then they play the game themselves in huge alliances and and, man all im waiting for now is the announcement of the "NGE", New Game Enhancements, or wait allready here?... huh... sorry... /rant over
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:42:00 -
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The origional poster is right in everything he said.
CCP had better listen to him.
We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES.
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BlackBeard 007
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:58:00 -
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Im scared that the constant need (?) to change everything specially the base features will destroy everything, new personel trying to make a page of history in EVE always ends up in changes allot of wich are not needed imo... DONT KILL THE GAME WITH YOUR CHANGING.
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PeveS
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:02:00 -
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 Originally by: 000Hunter000
So give me your input, would u prefer Kali to be postponed in favor of fixing current problems?
Yes, Kali shoul be postponed.
Or it should bring improvements on performance and lag. I dont believe Kali will do. I heared that story now to many times. This looks very the same like last year. They told us we get a patch that makes the game without lag....so much faster! New improved code, new cluster, new database...we get another 4k of players and its even more worse then it was last year.
Originally by: 000Hunter000
Should ccp direct it's path more to the wishes of the players?
They actual do. Peeps whine to much however (im whining also right now :/) When they loose a fight, they whine..Sure the vagabond is fast and almost uncatchable....learn for it and you can fly it also! Or play smart and catch it! Sure EW is Uber. Use a raven with Fof's or Domi with sentry drones. Or a Vagabond to run away :)
Cruise launcher on frig nerfed, Double MWD nerfed, EW nerfed, EW nerfed again soon, to fly a ship nerfed, to login nerfed?
But some things need special attention like lag and performance. This is the base of the game. CCP should always concentrate on that! I dont want more nicer looking ships. If i can choose between a tier 3 BS or less lag, i choose les lag.
O and then the BM's....discussed enough so gues what i would be saying 
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ObiDoom Kenobi
Gallente
Element Eighty
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:03:00 -
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I'm not worried for the future of EVE. I think that the game only appeals to a very specific kind of gamer and can weather any spike in players. In time the developers will find the right balance for the new server population and then we'll wait until the next spike and go through this again for a little while.
As of yet I'm not worried.
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Archangel Raphael
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:05:00 -
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would i be right in saying that these forums, although there not frequented by every eve player, do represent the a good cross section of the community?
if so, would it not make sense for, a: ccp, to actually put foward their suggestions to any alterations to eve, to the community. weeks in advance, to allow proper discussion and mature debate regarding the suggested changes. and only then do changes that have unanimous backing from the actual player base, get in.
and then b: seeing as "eve" is a community based game with a large community, and that the vast majority live in some sort of democracy. perhaps it wouldnt be a bad idea to elect various ppl who represent the various types of gamers to thrash out the implications of any future alteration on our behalf
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:09:00 -
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I'm not totally happy with all the directions CCP is taking, and I'd rather they did some other stuff. But that's to be expected, I'm not in contol.
I don't think eve is going downhill because of the numbers of players, I don't think we're being ditched for china, and I'm not planning on quitting at any time soon (unless real life requires it)
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Contralto
Gallente
Binary Fringe inc
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:11:00 -
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Yes very true I think Eve is safe for the forseable future! But!! as soon as another Space Mmorpg emerges my money is on a mass exodus to sample the new waters, initialy the vast majority of players will keep there Eve accounts so it will turn into a direct compitition for customer service, server stability, game features and playability.
Not polite to mention it here but such a game is in early development stages its called "infinity" and has the early look of a winner. Nuff said or ill get jumped on. by the way the devs here are fully aware of this potential threat and see it as a challenge to improve Eve.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:17:00 -
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I doubt they care too much about TQ anymore, it's gone from "We appreciated you," to "Stop whining, and this isn't my problem." CCP care more about China, it's a more profitable (and easier to run) market for them =/
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Kari Awn
Minmatar
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:18:00 -
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I have no worries about EVE and it's future. This reminds me of EQ when the Kunark expansion came out. People were freaking out thinking that the game itself was runied and it would never be the same EQ again. They were right, it wasn't the same EQ but better.
Some people don't like change, they want things to remain familiar to them.
As with any game, adding expansions is going to bring about some problems. I have faith that CCP will do this right and in the end EVE will be all the better for it. 
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Contralto
Gallente
Binary Fringe inc
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel Raphael
would i be right in saying that these forums, although there not frequented by every eve player, do represent the a good cross section of the community?
if so, would it not make sense for, a: ccp, to actually put foward their suggestions to any alterations to eve, to the community. weeks in advance, to allow proper discussion and mature debate regarding the suggested changes. and only then do changes that have unanimous backing from the actual player base, get in.
and then b: seeing as "eve" is a community based game with a large community, and that the vast majority live in some sort of democracy. perhaps it wouldnt be a bad idea to elect various ppl who represent the various types of gamers to thrash out the implications of any future alteration on our behalf
yes nice idea but from what Ive seen of a certain percentage of forum greifers and "profesional" trolls I think discussion would soon degenerate into flamebait and be locked within a few pages by the mods.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
I doubt they care too much about TQ anymore, it's gone from "We appreciated you," to "Stop whining, and this isn't my problem." CCP care more about China, it's a more profitable (and easier to run) market for them =/
ummm what? Pretty sure from the charts i saw the china server is failing and TQ is still making them tons more money.
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Contralto
Gallente
Binary Fringe inc
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
I doubt they care too much about TQ anymore, it's gone from "We appreciated you," to "Stop whining, and this isn't my problem." CCP care more about China, it's a more profitable (and easier to run) market for them =/
Cant bring myself to agree with you on this one, Afaik they have recruited a partner company in china to take over the business, actually all foreign owned businesses are required to employ locals so CCp would only provide a skeleton staff to train them and keep an eye on its progress, I lived and worked in china and you may be suprised at just how competent and skilled they are. also the subscriptions are a quarter of those we pay and the servers cost actually more due to shipping and import taxes they are not making oodles of cash. only thing they may gain on is staff salaries are a pittance compared to europe, again offset by hugely inflated costs associated with housing and feeding the few Expat CCP employees. plus of course they will recieve double the income that they would recieve in Iceland or london. I think they are just overwhelmed and havnt planned there recruitment in advance to cope with the doubling of susbscribers in the past year. Only now are they recruiting GM's to defeat the more than 5k backlog in petitions.
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Eriv Kendri
Caldari
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:41:00 -
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Its obvious to me that CCP cares deeply for EvE - so much so I think they put the cart ahead of the horse at times.
I agree with those that think the current issues should be fixed first - the game has incredible appeal to me and I would continue to play it even if it had no new content for quite a while - but the lag and outages will eventually chase me away.
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
I doubt they care too much about TQ anymore, it's gone from "We appreciated you," to "Stop whining, and this isn't my problem." CCP care more about China, it's a more profitable (and easier to run) market for them =/
I think we have a winner here!
With the China Cash Cow CCP no longer cares about the rest of us.
We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:55:00 -
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That seems to be a general consensus, lately i've been hearing a lot of people talk about rather seeing ccp fix current problems instead of adding more content.
I'd really like to hear a devs/ccp spokesman view on this, why not fix current problems first instead of adding even more content?
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Darkrydar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Darkrydar on 03/09/2006 22:57:52
Originally by: 000Hunter000
but the forums where never as bad as they are these days with negativity and this concerns me.
You should have seen it pre-castor.
Add: If this isn't reason enough to ditch the current bookmarking system, what is? It basically now is a game of have and have nots with instajumps. I don;t think that i much better. I have every region with one alt or another but what if I was starting eve today? I'd not be able to get them.
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
the main reason for posting on the forum is that you're whining about something, which is why it feels that there's a bad mood game-wide. forums dont reflect the community
Are you blind?
I wasnŠt in empire for a long time but today my alt travelled from Rens to Agil and crashed twice and lagged all the time. Luckily 0.0 is still nice atm but if CCP wants to keep the game running they need to do something about these problems.
They need to remove BMs, they need to buy more hardware and they need to focus on bugs and lag and forget about new content for some time or EVE will just die slowly.
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
That seems to be a general consensus, lately i've been hearing a lot of people talk about rather seeing ccp fix current problems instead of adding more content.
I'd really like to hear a devs/ccp spokesman view on this, why not fix current problems first instead of adding even more content?
That consensus has been here since 03.
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wild Ari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.03 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
That seems to be a general consensus, lately i've been hearing a lot of people talk about rather seeing ccp fix current problems instead of adding more content.
I'd really like to hear a devs/ccp spokesman view on this, why not fix current problems first instead of adding even more content?
cause both is handled by different groups. and you dont want to have a 3d artist working on database code, do you?
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