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Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:49:42 - [1] - Quote Because I am contrarian: Eve is promoted as an open world pvp game. The antithesis of an open world pvp game is battle zones. In open world mmos where battle zones have been introduced open world pvp has greatly suffered. A battle zone is about "immediate pvp", whereas open world games typically eschew instant pvp in favor of a hunting style. When battle zones are introduced in an open world game, a significant percentage of players will abandon the open world game in favor of obtaining instant pvp. In other words, the battle zones suck the pvp out of the open world areas like a vacuum, killing open world play. Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights. If players are in Thera they are not, by definition, in the rest of eve living, fighting and dying. Consequently, Thera harms open world pvp in eve by removing players from systems where they would normally be living, roaming and fighting and placing them in a single location. The more Thera is a success, the more it hurts pvp in the rest of the game. After all, why should some player spend hours roaming through lowsec looking for fights when they can just log into Thera? Recently CCP devs have been hell bent on gimmicky systems such as the ESS, fatigue, the MJD, etc. . . Thera is just another of these gimmicky ideas that seem good on the surface but with serious flaws under the surface. If CCP truly wanted to promote an open world pvp play style, rather then relying on gimmicks, it would be substantially better if CCP improved lowsec and null giving players more reasons to live and fight in those area. P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 310	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:53:44 - [2] - Quote People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. Vote Sabriz!
Lucrii Dei Vector Galactic Did he say Jump 152	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:54:28 - [3] - Quote Not really. Arena gameplay involves a specific set of rules and a specific team structure. Anyone can enter Thera and anyone can leave Thera. They can also use any and all assets at their disposable in the sub-capital bracket. Gÿå The Explorer I Gÿå The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
Glathull Warlock Assassins 817	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:58:18 - [4] - Quote Thera is going to get out on lockdown almost immediately by someone. It won't be instant PVP at all. It will be death camped to hell. If you want to complain about insta-pvp-zones, complain about RvB. But then no one will take you seriously because everyone loves RvB. Especially B. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1329	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:58:20 - [5] - Quote I disagree. Thera is a staging point for conflict. At first, there will be a lot of conflict in Thera, as with any other new addition to the game. Then, as the dust starts to settle, those really interested in living there will likely start to work together, finding that with teamwork, they can use Thera to dish out constant pvp to a large variety of null and lowsec targets every day, with easy access to highsec to bring in new product. Thera itself will not be the 'combat zone' or 'battle zone', Thera will evolve into the dynamic facilitator that brings more small/medium gang combat to nullsec. Will Thera be a mos eisley trading hub? I seriously doubt it. Will it be a giant combat/duel area? I seriously doubt that too, after the dust settles.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2296	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:02:48 - [6] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: After all, why should some player spend hours roaming through lowsec looking for fights when they can just log into Thera? The people who are out for non-consensual pvp (such as high-sec warriors) aren't going to leave for Thera, because any potential targets found within won't fit the psychological profiles (stupid, arrogant, offensive, bad with money, etc) of the targets they seek. Null dwellers won't leave for Thera because it can neither support any sort of prolonged stay financially, not is it capable of being subjected to force projection. Low-sec pirates aren't going to leave for Thera because any people found inside aren't good piracy targets, since anyone going there is most likely going to assume the worst. And finally, carebears aren't going to leave for Thera because sociopaths, CCP needs to remove pvp from EVE, Thera needs to be safe, etc etc. And that is why this project will fail in its intended goal of being some kind of lawless hub. At best, it will be a place where some people go to feel cool for a while, or maybe we'll get lucky, and it will be really convenient for travel. But I don't foresee it being any more popular than your average NPC 0.0 system, or Amamake. Of course there will be lots of pvp inside, but it won't be replacing anything. If anyone tries to hold this system in an organized manner, it will end up being something like Providence. That is to say, lol. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Reicine Ceer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 192	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:13:43 - [7] - Quote As a notion toward what I think EVE's potential "battlezones" would be like, in comparison to what other posters have stated regarding Thera; If CCP were to introduce some form of go-to area, they would be foolish to do anything other than integrate as much as possible; as such, a battlezone in k-space would likely consist of lore-specific locations containing Incursion-style spawns of NPC ships from a particular faction within the EVE universe. On cue, NPC ships that are traditionally against said faction would then spawn in; perhaps finding the location would be as easy as warping to it from the overview, or scanning it down for tougher/etc versions, but it would likely consist of a bit of a slugfest between two opposing fleets - as the fight goes on longer, or as more people join, both sides would escalate appropriately, all the way up the scale of ships to include whatever the system can handle (think how a "feeding frenzy" starts in the ocean), with real players opting to battle for a specific side, or attack both, or maybe logibro style etc. You get the idea. Point is, I'm pretty positive that if CCP wanted to create a specific area "just for PVP", they'd make a lot more of a visual and integrated experience than simply making a big ol' system in w-space and hoping no one clamps it down within hours of it going live ;)
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7372	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:29:36 - [8] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". Grab a Kazoo, let's have a duel. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Mag's the united 18253	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:34:16 - [9] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. Your analogy doesn't fit at all apart from there being PvP involved. You should retitle your post: The Case against Vol Arm'OOO being allowed to post. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

CCP Greyscale C C P C C P Alliance 3655	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:51:10 - [10] - Quote I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.


PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2563	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:52:56 - [11] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Keep Poitot. It can be it's own region.
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:53:44 - [12] - Quote Mag's wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. Your analogy doesn't fit at all apart from there being PvP involved. You should retitle your post: The Case against Vol Arm'OOO being allowed to post. Lol troll harder. And just because Im bored - you say that analogy doesnt fit but you dont offer any examples or comments. How are they different? Battle grounds and thera have the effect of taking the limited populations of players and concentrating them, so what is the difference as it relates to open world play? I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Makari Aeron The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium 141	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:59:29 - [13] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. WELP, guess I better pack up and help move NRDS to the heart of CFC. That'll work, right? CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty. CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:59:53 - [14] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. In every open world pvp game where battle grounds were introduced the Devs were similarly myopic. None of them said lets introduce battle grounds and kill open world pvp, instead they all thought they could balance the issues and failed miserably. Im thinking of EQ2 pvp in particular, where the soe devs committed open world pvp suicide when they introduced battle grounds. Come to think of it, there are have been consistent rumors of SOE looking to acquire CCP and of CCP devs cavorting with SOE devs. Maybe you all drinking from the same koolaid? I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Leannor Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 22	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:02:56 - [15] - Quote A valid argument I think. But what youGÇÖre forgetting is the balance. Yes, if Thera is as you say a magnet for the PVPers, and draws them in from surroundings systems (all of the cluster), assuming of coruse thatGÇÖs what will happen, then ask yourself what will be left. By your argument what will be left behind is a void wasteland devoid of PVP containing nothing GÇª oh, wait, no, not containing nothing. ItGÇÖll contain a vast array of belts previously unmined due to PVP threat, Planetary PI not mined, eve trade not previously fully utilised. In fact, if your theory plays out, the resources extracted could cause a massive surge into the markets and deflation will kick in as everything becomes far more plentiful (might be countered by the excess resources needed for thera ship kills though). End of the story you might think? Nope. Once PVP realise thereGÇÖs actually easy kills out in the wasteland GÇª theyGÇÖll wander out there, back into the systems. ItGÇÖs fluid. And you forget EVE is not GÇÿjustGÇÖ about PVP-Combat, it is just a very vocal, emotive and visual part of the game. This is what makes EVE great, and different to any other game. The sandbox. Whatever Thera will, or wonGÇÖt be, IGÇÖm all for it. As long as it plays by the same fundamental rules of EVE; GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥. "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2297	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:03:25 - [16] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. But do you guys have enough time in your busy schedules to fit that around deleting high-sec wars and ganking? I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7373	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:05:56 - [17] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. But do you guys have enough time in your busy schedules to fit that around deleting high-sec wars and ganking? Butthurt poasting detected. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1330	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:06:29 - [18] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Plz 4 delet deklein. Grr Goobs.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6861	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:10:28 - [19] - Quote Thera will be a system of like minded capsuleers working together to create a w-space utopia for anyone to enjoy without fear of destruction. A place of rest and refuge for harassed gas miner and weary gate camper alike. A place where the elite and not so elite can have open discourse on the direction that they see New Eden heading in. Or something... Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
RonPaul Rox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 58	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:11:46 - [20] - Quote players could turn the singularity server into the "battlegrounds" you're describing if they wanted to. http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4444	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:19:43 - [21] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. If only this wasn't a joke. Thera sounds like it's going to be pretty lame IMHO. Not really sure what was going though your minds when you came up with that one. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Anslo Scope Works The Blacklist. 22737	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:30:38 - [22] - Quote Grr changes. Grr new content. Grr only balance things. Grr elitism. Hue. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 1775	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:32:59 - [23] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. let's just go ahead and skip to deletion of spaceships.
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 274	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:33:28 - [24] - Quote Glathull wrote: Thera is going to get out on lockdown almost immediately by someone. It won't be instant PVP at all. It will be death camped to hell. If you want to complain about insta-pvp-zones, complain about RvB. But then no one will take you seriously because everyone loves RvB. Especially B. Good luck holding a 300+ AU system when you can't use anchorable bubbles. Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:38:32 - [25] - Quote Rowells wrote: CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. let's just go ahead and skip to deletion of spaceships. Dont get me started - tiercide's emphasis on roles is anti-sandbox to its core. IMO, it would have been much better to reduce the number of hulls while increasing player freedom in how to fit the remaining hulls. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2299	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:40:07 - [26] - Quote It's not that the idea is bad, it's just that they could have done so much more with it in order to make it a truly unique, appreciated facet of the EVE experience. For example, Thera could have been turned into a black market hub with places to create, acquire, and trade various drugs. Special, rare components could be purchased in the station's LP shop, and the numerous wormhole connections could facilitate the system's use as drug smugglers' main staging point, by letting them avoid normal empire gate travel. Special anchorable structures for drug production could entice people to actually be in space, instead of being docked, or at wormhole entrances only. But instead, we get another half-baked feature that's good to write about, but not fun to actually use. Just like bounty-hunting, eh Greyscale? You know, the very realistic system of bounty-hunting we have in the game wherein we press one button, and let random passers-by, instead of licensed professionals, do all the work. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4444	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:45:27 - [27] - Quote Anslo wrote: Grr changes. Grr new content. Grr only balance things. Grr elitism. Hue. More like Grr adding "new" (it's a wormhole with a station in it) space while half of the existing space isn't used because it's terribly designed. After they get it in and we have the 6 patches that will fix it and stop it breaking everything it broke, it'll be no time at all before it too is unused by all but a few. At best a single large group will hijack it with the odd roaming gang. It'll basically be about as effective as NPC null mission hubs. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
DaReaper Net 7 1391	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:46:00 - [28] - Quote If I had more people in my corp i'd go to threa and form an NRDS collective and make it a Freeport. But I don't have the man power to attempt to enforce it. Honestly, threa has all kinds of potential, but to kill open world pvp? no, I think you need to lay off the drugs man OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3331	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:50:58 - [29] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: It's not that the idea is bad, it's just that they could have done so much more with it in order to make it a truly unique, appreciated facet of the EVE experience. For example, Thera could have been turned into a black market hub with places to create, acquire, and trade various drugs. Special, rare components could be purchased in the station's LP shop, and the numerous wormhole connections could facilitate the system's use as drug smugglers' main staging point, by letting them avoid normal empire gate travel. Special anchorable structures for drug production could entice people to actually be in space, instead of being docked, or at wormhole entrances only. But instead, we get another half-baked feature that's good to write about, but not fun to actually use. Just like bounty-hunting, eh Greyscale? You know, the very realistic system of bounty-hunting we have in the game wherein we press one button, and let random passers-by, instead of licensed professionals, do all the work. You forget my all time favorite of the new bounty hunting: bountying yourself. That truly gave a new meaning to the concept of "bounty". The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4444	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:55:45 - [30] - Quote DaReaper wrote: If I had more people in my corp i'd go to threa and form an NRDS collective and make it a Freeport. But I don't have the man power to attempt to enforce it. Honestly, threa has all kinds of potential, but to kill open world pvp? no, I think you need to lay off the drugs man So if you had the power you'd turn it into Provi? Glad to see you're thinking outside the box. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:56:00 - [31] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Anslo wrote: Grr changes. Grr new content. Grr only balance things. Grr elitism. Hue. More like Grr adding "new" (it's a wormhole with a station in it) space while half of the existing space isn't used because it's terribly designed. I kinda got the feeling that jump fat was designed to concentrate players by making it too undesirable to live far from empire. But then they go and add the shattered wh's and thera - whats the point of spreading a thin population base even thinner? I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 211	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:14:06 - [32] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights. (...) P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. ...Delete FW? Also, ban RvB? Hint: instant PvP is already organized by the players and is fun.
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 487	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:16:32 - [33] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. So CCP is really trying to fix the crappy areas of this game.... Hell, I might just log in this month. Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com
Niskin League of the Lost 119	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:29:05 - [34] - Quote Removing Syndicate would just make Solitude slightly more appropriately named than it already is. Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship. -MooMooDachshundCow
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18103	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:32:28 - [35] - Quote How can one *** about something that hasn't even come out yet? OP, there are plenty of other things to * about that are out now, why cant you simply choose one of those? If youre having a hard time choosing, just pick something from the market at random and pitch a * over it. Here, ill try. WHAT THE ABSOLUTE CCCP?!?!? WHY DO YOU HAND OUT 1 *** TRITANIUM FOR FREE WITH EACH NOOBSHIP?!?!?! WHY ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO CRASH THE *** MARKET ON TRITANIUM!?!?!??! YOU HAVE LITERALLY COST ME HUNDREDS OF ISK IN LOST PROFITS BECASUE OF THIS GAMEBREAKING LOSS OF MARKET SHARE!!!!! I R DEMAND REIMBURSEMENT OR I R UNSUB! STAHP INTERFEREING IN PLAYER DRIVEN MARKET CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!one!!!!!1!1!!eleven!!!! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? Vote Sabriz Adoudel** for CSM 10!
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:49:26 - [36] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: How can one *** about something that hasn't even come out yet? OP, there are plenty of other things to * about that are out now, why cant you simply choose one of those? If youre having a hard time choosing, just pick something from the market at random and pitch a * over it. Here, ill try. WHAT THE ABSOLUTE CCCP?!?!? WHY DO YOU HAND OUT 1 *** TRITANIUM FOR FREE WITH EACH NOOBSHIP?!?!?! WHY ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO CRASH THE ***** MARKET ON TRITANIUM!?!?!??! YOU HAVE LITERALLY COST ME HUNDREDS OF ISK IN LOST PROFITS BECASUE OF THIS GAMEBREAKING LOSS OF MARKET SHARE!!!!! I R DEMAND REIMBURSEMENT OR I R UNSUB! STAHP INTERFEREING IN PLAYER DRIVEN MARKET CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!one!!!!!1!1!!eleven!!!! Why do they add that one trit? All that trit must add up. Anyways if you wait until CCP implements something then its too late. Besides, what are the forums for, if not for folk to rant and rave at everything ccp does? I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2351	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:06:43 - [37] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. In every open world pvp game where battle grounds were introduced the Devs were similarly myopic. None of them said lets introduce battle grounds and kill open world pvp, instead they all thought they could balance the issues and failed miserably. Im thinking of EQ2 pvp in particular, where the soe devs committed open world pvp suicide when they introduced battle grounds. Come to think of it, there are have been consistent rumors of SOE looking to acquire CCP and of CCP devs cavorting with SOE devs. Maybe you all drinking from the same koolaid? Your analogy is bad. For one Thera is NOTHING like EQ2 Battlgrounds. EQ2 BG's were more like arena matches, where 2 sides, up to 30 per side could choose to start a match and bam they get warped into a battleground and start fighting. Thera is just another system. Sure it might be full of people wanting to undock and fight. But that is no different than many systems already in EVE (thinking Old man start, M-O, etc) where people go specifically to get a fight, with each system generally offering a different potential match up. Sorry sky isn't falling.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18104	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:09:05 - [38] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Besides, what are the forums for, if not for folk to rant and rave at everything ccp does? Well, ranting is bad.. and against the rules. For that matter so is trolling.. So who am I to speak? Carry on. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1426	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:15:22 - [39] - Quote OP...I had to like a Greyscale post...you are to blame for that. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Kamahl Daikun Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 39	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:21:35 - [40] - Quote Leannor wrote: Whatever Thera will, or wonGÇÖt be, IGÇÖm all for it. As long as it plays by the same fundamental rules of EVE; GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥. Remember when missioning was a good source of money? How about salvaging? Exploration? Now that's what I call a sandbox.

Mag's the united 18254	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:22:03 - [41] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Mag's wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. Your analogy doesn't fit at all apart from there being PvP involved. You should retitle your post: The Case against Vol Arm'OOO being allowed to post. Lol troll harder. And just because Im bored - you say that analogy doesnt fit but you dont offer any examples or comments. How are they different? Battle grounds and thera have the effect of taking the limited populations of players and concentrating them, so what is the difference as it relates to open world play? I said your analogy doesn't fit at all, apart from there being PvP involved. This means it doesn't fit at all, apart from there being PvP involved. One more system in Eve, does not change it's current open world nature. It's a system, in Eve. With different rules from other systems, in Eve. If only Eve had different systems, with different rules already. Oh, wait. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 184	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:59:37 - [42] - Quote I didn't read all the replies but the first few pretty much decimate the OP's issue. First, Thera is not a battleground because there are no limitations on the interaction within the ground. Second, Thera will not just be neutral. The poster after the OP who said Thera will get instantly locked down. This is partially true. The stations will come under someone's control. The system as a whole will not be locked down. It will still be a good place to go exploring and looking for fights. However, it will not be an artificially regulated neutral zone. One party will control trade there, at the minimum. I actually think Thera would be better if there were some massive station guns that enforced civility on the undock. I imagine something like that will be implemented in a future update to Thera. At that point it will be closer to a battleground, but it still won't be. So basically, the OP's complaint is invalid because Thera is not a battleground.
Stephanie Rosefire Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 33	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:11:39 - [43] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. i just wanna say... OP, get fekkin rekt.
DaReaper Net 7 1391	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:16:46 - [44] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: DaReaper wrote: If I had more people in my corp i'd go to threa and form an NRDS collective and make it a Freeport. But I don't have the man power to attempt to enforce it. Honestly, threa has all kinds of potential, but to kill open world pvp? no, I think you need to lay off the drugs man So if you had the power you'd turn it into Provi? Glad to see you're thinking outside the box. I would yea, I think it would be neat as a kind of wormhole free port. you can use it to invade anyone but in threa you follow nrds to live there. but oh well. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:25:15 - [45] - Quote Mag's wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Mag's wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. Your analogy doesn't fit at all apart from there being PvP involved. You should retitle your post: The Case against Vol Arm'OOO being allowed to post. Lol troll harder. And just because Im bored - you say that analogy doesnt fit but you dont offer any examples or comments. How are they different? Battle grounds and thera have the effect of taking the limited populations of players and concentrating them, so what is the difference as it relates to open world play? I said your analogy doesn't fit at all, apart from there being PvP involved. This means it doesn't fit at all, apart from there being PvP involved. One more system in Eve, does not change it's current open world nature. It's a system, in Eve. With different rules from other systems, in Eve. If only Eve had different systems, with different rules already. Oh, wait. Even if your view was correct, i.e. that thera is just another system, it would still hurt open world pvp by its introduction. More systems spread out a thin population making it harder to find pvp in the open world. OFC if thera is successful and reaches a significant concentration of players, well then those players by definition are not elsewhere, thus pvp elsewhere is hurt. Either way open world pvp takes a hit. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Gogela The Conference Elite CODE. 3279	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:32:59 - [46] - Quote With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than? Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be. Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk... Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 7101	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:38:34 - [47] - Quote Dojos would be EVE arenas, Thera is just another one system where you can get shot by everyone. Recon makes them stronger
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4903	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:43:04 - [48] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Greyscale troll, best troll 100/10 Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Tappits North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 70	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:49:18 - [49] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Don't forget to disband Red Vs Blue too. O and faction warfare, we don't need that it will kill eve as we know it.
Lfod Shi Lfod's Ratting and Salvage 223	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:50:05 - [50] - Quote ...or we could just wait and see what actually happens. No? Ok, I'll be over there watching... like a creep. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½

Shizuken Venerated Stars 327	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:10:37 - [51] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: When battle zones are introduced in an open world game, a significant percentage of players will abandon the open world game in favor of obtaining instant pvp. In other words, the battle zones suck the pvp out of the open world areas like a vacuum, killing open world play. Recently CCP devs have been hell bent on gimmicky systems such as the ESS, fatigue, the MJD, etc. . . Thera is just another of these gimmicky ideas that seem good on the surface but with serious flaws under the surface. As to the first point, I dont see this as a bad thing. Aside from fully supporting an area where antisocials can blow eachother up without preying upon those who choose not to fight, I dont see how this affects freighter ganking, miner bumping, can flipping etc. Those will still be just as easy. What you should really be wondering is what comes after Thera. If they are making an area in which one can regularly pvp as desired, what then becomes possible with respect to reforming Highsec? It could totally be that CCP is planning to put the screws to the more unseemly and harsher bits of highsec living to make tye game more inviting to new players. There has been a rather concerted push towards that end in other aspects of the game. The antisocials among us can't complain nearly as loudly when there still exists an area with similar highsec services but without the strict rules on civilized behavior. If I were one of said antisocials I might be wondering if in the not too distant future I could be forced out of highsec if I wanted to continue my tear extraction antics. As to the second point, if "gimmicks," as you put it, are what is required to grow EvE's player base then I fully support it. Frankly, the anything goes policy hasn't been doing it for a while now, as evidenced by the gradual drop or lack of growth in subscriptions.
Mag's the united 18254	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:24:33 - [52] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Mag's wrote: I said your analogy doesn't fit at all, apart from there being PvP involved. This means it doesn't fit at all, apart from there being PvP involved. One more system in Eve, does not change it's current open world nature. It's a system, in Eve. With different rules from other systems, in Eve. If only Eve had different systems, with different rules already. Oh, wait. Even if your view was correct, i.e. that thera is just another system, it would still hurt open world pvp by its introduction. More systems spread out a thin population making it harder to find pvp in the open world. OFC if thera is successful and reaches a significant concentration of players, well then those players by definition are not elsewhere, thus pvp elsewhere is hurt. Either way open world pvp takes a hit. What great logic you have. So by that same logic Eve's open world nature suffered when CCP introduced new null sec and WH space. Because after all, if players were not there they would be elsewhere. Damn you CCP. Oh yea, those were dark times and I'm not sure Eve ever recovered. Nah. I think I'll stick with you simply changing the title, to what I suggested. It now seems far more appropriate. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2791	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:25:59 - [53] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Might I suggest The Forge as well? Or might that be deemed a bit to much to ask perhaps... ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Hal Morsh Exodus Mining Corp 209	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:48:20 - [54] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. The Rapists. :\| CCP - Outpost code is scary. CCP Greyscale - Starbases - They need to look @#$%ing awesome, and people need to want them and want to be around them and have them and use them and like them and want them and stuff.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18116	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:04:48 - [55] - Quote Hal Morsh wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. The Rapists. :\| Such Relevant. Very That. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Ashlar Maidstone Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:08:39 - [56] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. NOT on my watch will Providence ever be deleted!! Now CCP_Greyscale, you and I are just gonna hafta sit down over a bottle of Quafe Ultra and have a nice little chat, ROFL!!!!!
Ashlar Maidstone Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:10:30 - [57] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Might I suggest The Forge as well? Or might that be deemed a bit to much to ask perhaps... ISD Ezwal Maybe justa tad too much to ask for, then I won't have anywhere to go!!!! ROFL!!!
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3844	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:19:15 - [58] - Quote Thera will either be largely ignored, or it will be a staging group from which nullsec alliances project frigate/destroyer/HIC gangs to raid their rivals. I look forward to the first person that loses a Titan because a frigate wormhole to Thera opens and they get caught by a HIC from it. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
knobber Jobbler Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 480	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:30:32 - [59] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. I'm heartened to see you taking feedback to heart for once.
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 115	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:34:08 - [60] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Might I suggest The Forge as well? Or might that be deemed a bit to much to ask perhaps... It is never too much to ask CCP they have the power in their hands muhhahahahhaha You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe

SCV'Argos TheMurk 6	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:38:51 - [61] - Quote I think Thera should not allow any type of clonejumping except with usage of Rorquals. Any automated transfer to Thera means it will become an established "deathmatch" arena, which I hate the very idea of (in eve). In my opinion Thera should be a place only available through player interaction. Sort of a lawless den system where nobody can come and go without risking his life on the way. Clonejumping inside the stations ruins that.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 759	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:45:00 - [62] - Quote Jade Blackwind wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights. (...) P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. ...Delete FW? Also, ban RvB? Hint: instant PvP is already organized by the players and is fun. Yes you just have to hate those FW complexes that force people to either ship down or ship up to engage in PVP right But back on topic. I'm thinking Thera will do just fine.
SpaceSaft Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club 105	Posted - 2014.12.01 23:01:41 - [63] - Quote I'm not really pro thera since I don't see the point to it - yet. But I'm open for surprises. If anything I'm slightly annoyed that it's not as awesome as other things could have been. I have absolutely no idea why thera is killing eve because instant pvp though. The idea with arenas and match making was that you get a somewhat fair match within a reasonable time. Thera is not going to be like that. If people do bother to come to thera, which we will see, it's going to be camp central, if people don't come, well I don't know what that's going to be like. In any case it's not going to be fair and if people don't come you might have to wait longer than it would take to get to the next FW plex or highsec lowsec or highsec nullsec gate camp. If it ends but being a gimmick system I won't care because there are 100 other wh system we're getting in this patch plus a whole lot other stuff.
Gogela The Conference Elite CODE. 3279	Posted - 2014.12.01 23:28:00 - [64] - Quote SCV'Argos wrote: I think Thera should not allow any type of clonejumping except with usage of Rorquals. Any automated transfer to Thera means it will become an established "deathmatch" arena, which I hate the very idea of (in eve). In my opinion Thera should be a place only available through player interaction. Sort of a lawless den system where nobody can come and go without risking his life on the way. Clonejumping inside the stations ruins that. You are boxing people into something way too specific, imho. There needs to be lots of diverse draw to Thera to get lots of players in there, which I think has been accomplished. One of the big draws is simply the existence of station services in WH space. Also, Thera isn't the only shattered planet system. There are going to be many other ones CCP can tweak and retool for different purposes. I haven't read much of anything on the other systems. There's no telling (from what I know) what they are going to look like.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5752	Posted - 2014.12.01 23:42:32 - [65] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. I LOLed Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 988	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:02:30 - [66] - Quote engage neckbeard omniscience mode AKCHUALLY I'm interested to see what players do with Thera, hopefully something unexpected, akin to what happened with wormholes. Never intended to be lived in for long or farmed much, they became a whole 'nother mode of play. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 220	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:28:47 - [67] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. But that will crash the market in solitude... sob, sniffle... wwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh. The op is wrong. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Yonis Kador KADORCORP 490	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:55:48 - [68] - Quote OP, if you accept two things: 1) that content in EVE is player-generated and 2) player interaction = content, then, Thera will not kill EVE. Sure, your game may change. Every change to the client carries that potential for all of us. But if players are still interacting and generating content, it's unlikely to matter where it occurs. If players spend so much time in Thera that vacuums form, what fills them will = content. I'm of the camp that almost anything which facilitates player interaction is probably beneficial to pgc quality. Besides, if Thera should somehow threaten the game, I'm sure CCP will limit its usefulness until it doesn't. I'll be waiting to see if Thera generates enough "content" to affect mineral prices. fingers crossed YK
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 26354	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:59:42 - [69] - Quote CCP, when you find yourself wondering why wormholes don't stick, just know it's due to the lack of outposts. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2304	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:18:35 - [70] - Quote Shizuken wrote: [quote=Vol Arm'OOO]As to the first point, I dont see this as a bad thing. Aside from fully supporting an area where antisocials can blow eachother up without preying upon those who choose not to fight, I dont see how this affects freighter ganking, miner bumping, can flipping etc. Those will still be just as easy. What you should really be wondering is what comes after Thera. If they are making an area in which one can regularly pvp as desired, what then becomes possible with respect to reforming Highsec? It could totally be that CCP is planning to put the screws to the more unseemly and harsher bits of highsec living to make tye game more inviting to new players. There has been a rather concerted push towards that end in other aspects of the game. The antisocials among us can't complain nearly as loudly when there still exists an area with similar highsec services but without the strict rules on civilized behavior. If I were one of said antisocials I might be wondering if in the not too distant future I could be forced out of highsec if I wanted to continue my tear extraction antics. Hey, thanks for posting something that I can point to in a few years during those discussions on some other game's forums about what finally ended up killing this one. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Midgen Black Water Oasis 6	Posted - 2014.12.02 08:23:25 - [71] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Finally..... some semblance of logical thought ;)
Burl en Daire M.O.M.S. Corp 82	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:50:25 - [72] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: I didn't read all the replies but the first few pretty much decimate the OP's issue. First, Thera is not a battleground because there are no limitations on the interaction within the ground. Second, Thera will not just be neutral. The poster after the OP who said Thera will get instantly locked down. This is partially true. The stations will come under someone's control. The system as a whole will not be locked down. It will still be a good place to go exploring and looking for fights. However, it will not be an artificially regulated neutral zone. One party will control trade there, at the minimum. I actually think Thera would be better if there were some massive station guns that enforced civility on the undock. I imagine something like that will be implemented in a future update to Thera. At that point it will be closer to a battleground, but it still won't be. So basically, the OP's complaint is invalid because Thera is not a battleground. I agree that there should be some untankable guns so that the undock isn't just camped 23/7 because without a fleet to monitor your undock the chances are that your ship will be popped as soon as possible. Things may be able to get into the station but I don't see much hope for getting out. Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2314	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:03:45 - [73] - Quote Burl en Daire wrote: Things may be able to get into the station but I don't see much hope for getting out. Would need to make instas for every station. Then you can at least use interceptors to escape. But really, what's the point of even going there, if that's all you can fly? I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Signal11th 1470	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:06:12 - [74] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. If you said Fountain then you may get some support.. Basically if there is any economic benefit to being there then it will flourish if there isn't then it will become just something else nobody takes any notice of. Powered by reaTh Filter V1.23 "All posts by this pilot are personal held views and not representitive of any corp or alliance I am currently a member of. Like I'd give a sh*t anyway. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and wo
Burl en Daire M.O.M.S. Corp 82	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:08:24 - [75] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Burl en Daire wrote: Things may be able to get into the station but I don't see much hope for getting out. Would need to make instas for every station. Then you can at least use interceptors to escape. But really, what's the point of even going there, if that's all you can fly? Exactly, mechanics don't allow them to pop you till you do something for a certain amount of time but if there is a gang outside then the chance of getting caught goes up. I'm not sure about hics and dics but if your insta is inline with the bubble wouldn't it stop/drag you? I am going to be there as soon as I can find the hole because the first few days should be interesting. Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2314	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:09:00 - [76] - Quote Interceptors are totally immune to interdiction. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Burl en Daire M.O.M.S. Corp 82	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:13:20 - [77] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Interceptors are totally immune to interdiction. Yes, but wouldn't any other ship be pulled right on in? Insta bookmarks don't seem like they would be a good idea if every insta warp dropped you in a spiders web. Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2314	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:16:12 - [78] - Quote Yes. But if the undock point is bubbled, you won't even get to warp away. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Kesthely Fleet of the Damned Ace of Spades. 168	Posted - 2014.12.02 12:18:58 - [79] - Quote The most promising feature that Thera brings to me is the fact that its a new space where capital ships aren't allowed in. This means that maybe in the (near?) future we can travel from Thera to new unexplored systems. And because theres no capitals allowed IN Thera this means that in the new systems capitals will need to be build. I imagine this as a soft reset for the superblob that we have in normal eve landscape. If the new systems would allow capitals at all or supercaptitals will allow for an intresting new meta to emerge. Imagine a landscape of hundreds of systems, where no capital ship could ever travel? I don't know what Thera itself will be like, but any new aspect to the game, for me is an improvment, as long as smart and willing pilots think out of the box and start useing its potential
Trajan Unknown Running with Dogs Nerfed Alliance Go Away 0	Posted - 2014.12.02 12:27:14 - [80] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Not that Catch is still burning :P Besides that, I am totally sold on it too. After Syndicate, Provi and Catch sucked out all the PvP Thera will deliver the final blow and I will be able to autopilot from Catch through Provi to Jiita and won-¦t see a single hostile ship. No, I don-¦t want to wake up the dream is real

Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous Safety's Set To Red 26477	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:40:18 - [81] - Quote something something world of warcraft, something something page snipe. Founder of the Graycember movement and LAGL's pet cat. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase I like to gank it, gank it!
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:34:35 - [82] - Quote Hi sec players wont be going to Thera. And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players. You get the picture.
Aladar Dangerface Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept 28	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:42:08 - [83] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: Hi sec players wont be going to Thera. And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players. You get the picture. Centred around high sec? Really? i mean really???? I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Rayo Atra Unkindness Incorporated Violent Declaration 87	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:18:53 - [84] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". Grab a Kazoo, let's have a duel. Now when i count 3! Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough. -Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Taegessia Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.12.03 03:44:47 - [85] - Quote As a dedicated WH explorer I am quite exited about the new WH systems added and most of all Thera. I don't see though how this is going to work since this will follow 0.0 space combat rules & every time we undock will be potential targets, at least not without somekind of limited safe zone around the npc stations (I hardly doubt this is the case). Seems like the worst place for the casual or dedicated explorer\pver & a very good place for the dedicated ganker\pvper. I hope I wil be wrong & Thera proves to be just a good place for everyone. "Please add an option to automatically repackage & stack our currently unpackaged items in our item hangar".
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 12964	Posted - 2014.12.03 03:52:12 - [86] - Quote Rayo Atra wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". Grab a Kazoo, let's have a duel. Now when i count 3! That that tha-that that tha-that that tha-that that that boy needs THERApy A City made of Wood is built in the forest A City made of Stone is built in the mountains But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven. Jovian Proverb GÖâ
Tear Jar Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch 174	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:01:00 - [87] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: After all, why should some player spend hours roaming through lowsec looking for fights when they can just log into Thera? The people who are out for non-consensual pvp (such as high-sec warriors) aren't going to leave for Thera, because any potential targets found within won't fit the psychological profiles (stupid, arrogant, offensive, bad with money, etc) of the targets they seek. Null dwellers won't leave for Thera because it can neither support any sort of prolonged stay financially, not is it capable of being subjected to force projection. Low-sec pirates aren't going to leave for Thera because any people found inside aren't good piracy targets, since anyone going there is most likely going to assume the worst. And finally, carebears aren't going to leave for Thera because sociopaths, CCP needs to remove pvp from EVE, Thera needs to be safe, etc etc. And that is why this project will fail in its intended goal of being some kind of lawless hub. At best, it will be a place where some people go to feel cool for a while, or maybe we'll get lucky, and it will be really convenient for travel. But I don't foresee it being any more popular than your average NPC 0.0 system, or Amamake. Of course there will be lots of pvp inside, but it won't be replacing anything. If anyone tries to hold this system in an organized manner, it will end up being something like Providence. That is to say, lol. Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2338	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:03:52 - [88] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place. Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita? I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Tear Jar Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch 174	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:04:50 - [89] - Quote Gogela wrote: With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than? Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be. Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk... Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1 Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks. Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo.
Badden Powell Future Dynamics 14	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:08:45 - [90] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". ^ I put this right up there with "Dude, your chin!"

Tear Jar Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch 174	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:12:56 - [91] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place. Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita? Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2340	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:17:13 - [92] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place. Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita? Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera. You'd still be less likely to find Thera than any other random wormhole that would inevitably lead to empire space. And the latter would be less dangerous. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Gogela The Conference Elite CODE. 3280	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:28:15 - [93] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Gogela wrote: With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than? Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be. Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk... Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1 Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks. Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo. ...maybe. IF they don't get bumped off bookmark when they undock. I'm an avid nullified T3 operator when messing with the nullsec markets. It's not as cut and dry when undocking because your enemy knows exactly where you will be and n what trajectory when you undock. A little lag can be a real killer when facing a station camp. ...but yes I'm sure some will still be able to survive for a bit / most of the time. There are some really slippery people in this game. I'm not really that worried about it, though. CCP will fix it if things need fixin', and I'm wrong in my EvE predictions as often as I'm right so wtf do I know anyway? I think this is one we'll just have to chill out on and watch as it unfolds.
Leannor Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 25	Posted - 2014.12.03 09:04:44 - [94] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Gogela wrote: With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than? Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be. Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk... Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1 Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks. Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo. small cargo doesn't make for a trade hub ... "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Serene Repose 1694	Posted - 2014.12.03 09:12:04 - [95] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. You're nuts. That being said, you could use a bit more color. HOWEVER (comma) <----- BIG however.... Even if there were an area designated as instant pvp, that wouldn't change the complexion of EVE as EVEryone KNOWS New Eden is that area and such a designation would be redundant. SO, I'd place the OP in the strawman argument zone. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 258	Posted - 2014.12.03 10:58:08 - [96] - Quote Que Thera, Thera Whatever will be, will be Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler application: >EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1348	Posted - 2014.12.03 11:35:22 - [97] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. My Hero. :) Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Square PI Hedion University Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.12.03 13:34:45 - [98] - Quote Aladar Dangerface wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Hi sec players wont be going to Thera. And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players. You get the picture. Centred around high sec? Really? i mean really???? Go on the map in Eve. Switch it to Ships destroyed and Player in system. Conculsion from this? Yes. centered around high sec. At least this is how i see these data.
Prt Scr 569th Freelancers 94	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:02:10 - [99] - Quote i know its a bit off topic, but i know we cant take caps into Thera...can we build them in the stations? I just toooo lazy to read all the info and find out This is my signature, there are many like it , but this one is mine
flaming phantom T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 50	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:38:31 - [100] - Quote I personally am looking forward to being able to quickly go somewhere and get a fight. You seem butthurt that now people won't have to roam for hours just to get a fight, I say good. Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement? All great men have mustaches

Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2347	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:04:20 - [101] - Quote flaming phantom wrote: I personally am looking forward to being able to quickly go somewhere and get ~~a fight~~ killed by a blob. Fixed that for ya. flaming phantom wrote: Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement? Someone with enough self-respect to not treat this game like a CoD title. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
DaReaper Net 7 1398	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:47:39 - [102] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place. Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita? Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera. You'd still be less likely to find Thera than any other random wormhole that would inevitably lead to empire space. And the latter would be less dangerous. While this may be true it doesn't eliminate the fact that you might very well link to threa sometime. and if it was being managed as a free port or even controlled by someone, you could still slip in and out if you did not want to run to jita. That's the point. It can be used for all kinda of things. one of which being a moving trade hub. Sure not everyone will always have access to it, but then you do it could be a godsend or a hellish nightmare depending on who is living there. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Medalyn Isis Aliastra Gallente Federation 457	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:18:06 - [103] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Greyscale response = best response.
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 649	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:18:56 - [104] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. I see what you did there... LMAO!!!
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:08:10 - [105] - Quote For you voly ol pal I will unleash my legions and sit on it so you wont have to worry about it The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1206	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:13:13 - [106] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists". That is all. I see what you did there... LMAO!!! Give them Vodka and they will be Thera-pisseds. Then you can attack them while they are AFK having a Thera-pee .
Aaron Eternal Frontier 162	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:16:41 - [107] - Quote Eve players are hard to please, c'mon lets just call it as we see it. There is no case against Thera because it is simply part of the game, I think we forget that we are playing a game that is set in the distant future where many different storylines are possible. An NPC entity has worked out how to put stations in wormholes and Thera is the result. end of story. In my opinion Thera will be an amazing place which will create PVP and trade opportunities. I think it is a great place for a blue community to thrive. Thera is a place where teamwork will be the crucial factor in achieving success. I'm considering doing another Hub Zero there which I am sure will be epic even if it fails. CCP has done well on this one, this really is a remarkable sci-fi adventure. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Glathull Warlock Assassins 831	Posted - 2014.12.08 01:21:10 - [108] - Quote flaming phantom wrote: Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement? I'm guessing you haven't ever been laid. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Sundial Hakaari Solar Fields Corp. 1	Posted - 2014.12.08 04:01:40 - [109] - Quote Thera is no more like a battleground than any other individual system in EVE is. Is the player limited? No. Are there set teams in the game or matchmaking? No, its complete decided by the players. Is entering Thera done with a queuing system and/or fast travel? No, you enter Thera from within new Eden without any sort of queue or matchmaking system. Are there set objectives / scoring systems / winners and losers? No, its up to the players. So to sum it up, Thera is completely player driven in all aspects that could qualify it as a battleground. This is one of the weakest analogies I have come across in my online days.
dark heartt 513	Posted - 2014.12.08 07:13:52 - [110] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: Hi sec players wont be going to Thera. And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players. You get the picture. I will be. Just saying. http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/

Tarko Auduin Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic 3	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:25:08 - [111] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Even if your view was correct, i.e. that thera is just another system, it would still hurt open world pvp by its introduction. More systems spread out a thin population making it harder to find pvp in the open world. OFC if thera is successful and reaches a significant concentration of players, well then those players by definition are not elsewhere, thus pvp elsewhere is hurt. Either way open world pvp takes a hit. Quick! Everyone to Jita, set the sec status to 0.0, and close the rest of EVE! If theres only one system, then everyone HAS to be there! Maximum population density! Free Markets! Fights! EVE is saved!
Nami Kumamato School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 347	Posted - 2014.12.08 22:25:12 - [112] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Because I am contrarian: Eve is promoted as an open world pvp game. The antithesis of an open world pvp game is battle zones. In open world mmos where battle zones have been introduced open world pvp has greatly suffered. A battle zone is about "immediate pvp", whereas open world games typically eschew instant pvp in favor of a hunting style. When battle zones are introduced in an open world game, a significant percentage of players will abandon the open world game in favor of obtaining instant pvp. In other words, the battle zones suck the pvp out of the open world areas like a vacuum, killing open world play. Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights. If players are in Thera they are not, by definition, in the rest of eve living, fighting and dying. Consequently, Thera harms open world pvp in eve by removing players from systems where they would normally be living, roaming and fighting and placing them in a single location. The more Thera is a success, the more it hurts pvp in the rest of the game. After all, why should some player spend hours roaming through lowsec looking for fights when they can just log into Thera? Recently CCP devs have been hell bent on gimmicky systems such as the ESS, fatigue, the MJD, etc. . . Thera is just another of these gimmicky ideas that seem good on the surface but with serious flaws under the surface. If CCP truly wanted to promote an open world pvp play style, rather then relying on gimmicks, it would be substantially better if CCP improved lowsec and null giving players more reasons to live and fight in those area. P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. I resubscribed just to say that this...is idiocy. [i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i] - Ramona McCandless, Untitled
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 318	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:34:36 - [113] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I am totally sold on this argument. Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. How's that for a last dev post? Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
FaDe-iN PhalanX ProjecT 10	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:44:49 - [114] - Quote Jade Blackwind wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights. (...) P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone. ...Delete FW? Also, ban RvB? Hint: instant PvP is already organized by the players and is fun. I got to say, FW is deff instant pvp for the most part. But not easy pvp. It is a great mechanic that gives ppl that only have a few hours to play a nite the access to instant eve pvp. I am having a blast here, though Amarr do seem to have some serious numbers atm. More to shot at me!!!


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