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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.16 11:33:00 -
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nothing, apart from great benefit and 0 penalty. Or in other words, overpowered with current state of eve, when safespots are really safe as long as you cba to warp every minute or so. (and 3 ss are enough). Your tank usually cannot survive t2 bs shooting you - better to get away.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.09.16 11:57:00 -
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This is so easy to solve...
every -1 or -2 (scramblers) should be affected by stabs..
Fit 2 stabs and fit 1 7.5 scram and you have 0 points scramstrenght.
Also give each stab a penalty of -10% to lockingspeed, this wont effect PVE setups or travelsetups.
But it will effect those 220K snipers with stabs and will mean people that solo wont fit stabs anymore.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.16 12:20:00 -
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Those wcs / scram equations are moot. Most people die coz they get stiletto in their back door with 6 points. That 1 scrambler on ship that has wcs isn't an issue really.
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carleyjones
Caldari
Blood and Silver
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Posted - 2006.09.16 13:24:00 -
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as long as people use scramblers, then people will use wcs and since pvp ships seem to be fitted with more scrams or become dedicated tacklers then more wcs are being fitted
the one scrambler or wcs per ship is one way around it i guess. i dont have a problem with peeps using wcs tho it does suck when they fit more than one.
another option maybe is to change the way they work slightly. perhaps wcs could increase the time it takes to enter warp and maybe give scramblers cycles similar to ecm?
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Kojiami
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Posted - 2006.09.16 16:35:00 -
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/noob: What are stabs?
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.16 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 16/09/2006 18:00:21
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 16/09/2006 17:59:33
 Originally by: Kojiami
/noob: What are stabs?
stabs = WCS, Warp Core Stabilizer ... a passive lowslot module that cancels out the effect of scramblers (remember - med-slot module ... either in a low-cap usage 7k5 variant ... or in a high-cap usage 20k version - which stops non-WCS-fitted ships from warping away)
problem is - WCS don't have any major drawback for a pvp-fitting. yeah - it might take a lowslot where a damagemod/tankmod could have been placed - but guess what? you won't need necessarily to gank when using a WCS ... as the buddies of your target aren't that dangerous to you anymore, because of their harder time in tackling you. regarding tank - it's the same in green. with a WCS you won't stick around that long enough that you would need a tank.
WCS needs no cap and it's passive - doesn't need activation by the player.
while scrams need activation by the player and need cap - both are things that make the scrambling effect balanced - because a you need to get a lock at a target, need to be in scramblingrange and you need to have enough cap to support the scrambler.
what can be done against scrambler? EWAR (jamming, sensor dampening), NOS, web/drones/other weapons to kill the tackler (if it's not a swarm it works quite well)
what can be done against WCS? bring friends, dedicated tackler fitting (which is on some ships not possible), bring friends with dedicated tackler fitting, and in 0.0 also warp disruptor bubbles and interdictor spheres.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.16 18:50:00 -
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Make WCS use 50 CPU. There.
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The Armin
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2006.09.16 19:21:00 -
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Don't think you should edit fitting req's on em, I don't mind ppl placing a wcs or four on their Sigils tbh. I mind those fitting two on a vagabond. 50% penalty to scan resolution pr. stab. <- yarr ?
(Means your targeting range rly gets gimped :D Srsly :D)
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.16 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: The Armin
Don't think you should edit fitting req's on em, I don't mind ppl placing a wcs or four on their Sigils tbh. I mind those fitting two on a vagabond. 50% penalty to scan resolution pr. stab. <- yarr ?
(Means your targeting range rly gets gimped :D Srsly :D)
No thats stupid. Sry.
And an indy can fit wcs just fine, even if they used 100 CPU, so...
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NIkis
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Posted - 2006.09.16 20:36:00 -
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wcs are fine as they are
for those who complain they dont eat cap.... or use too small CPU, well you have a 2 point scram .. and 2 point wcs arent exactly ingame yet
balance is something that works both ways
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.16 21:33:00 -
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The problem is people who think WCS and armor reppers are the only two low slot mods in the game.
Originally by: Wrangler
Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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