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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:01:00 -
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And by cloudy, I mean there are new nebulae. But that's not why I think that this forum is going to be filled with tears tomorrow after the dust settles and the emergency patches and shutdowns are over. Nay, there is another reason: Interbus taxes.
See, CCP changed a few things around. A number here, a number there. And now instead of using some strange fantasy number as the basis for a "10%" (actually I think it's 17% now) tax, CCP is using the actual market values. And the new tax values ain't pretty, at least if you're a fan of buying the materials in highsec, processing them, and reselling them, which a bunch of people are. Or, should I say, were. The tax level on P2s is well over 150 times more than it previously was before Crucible's release.
And that is why tomorrow, when people find out that they're suddenly going to be paying a crud-ton of money more than they used to be for PI, and their favorite lowsec production planets no longer have any Interbus customs office at all (after it gets blown up), and basically a money source that was a great, easy way to pay for a PLEX each month no longer exists...they're going to be furious.
Calling it now.
Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
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Sarmatiko
217
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:11:00 -
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When you talk about tears dont forget to mention this: "Tech 2 mining barge wrecks now properly drop T2 generic components rather than T1 generic components." Smells like Hulkageddon boost? |
Azitek
Astrum Tech Pina Colada Armada
2
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:23:00 -
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Predicting "Where's mah tech 3 BC's?" tears. |
Handsome Hussein
136
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:25:00 -
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After I read about the changes and figured out how it would affect the small-time low-sec harvester, I pretty much gave up on PI. CCP just ruined a means for the small guy to make money (I also noted, ironically, that they want the small guy in null-sec.)
I'd say "Go **** yourself, CCP", but that's not productive and ranting. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
16
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:34:00 -
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Smells like fresh blood moving to null.
I approve completely. Regards,
Sgt. Aiwha |
Barron Hammerstrike
Intergang
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:39:00 -
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I like the title of this thread and was up until now a regular PI player. From day one really-- even trained my PI skills to a quite decent level. I'm not going to rage, but from reading the dev blog it seems like we have no option but to build our customs offices which can't really be defended by turrets or anything should they be attacked. I'm thinking that if one has 5 low sec planets and in the event that all 5 of their respective customs offices are attacked then said player is basically screwed if he/she isn't part of a large enough corp.
Personally I think that's a cool idea for null and WH, but not such a great one for low sec. I have this opinion mainly because if there's going to be security at the gates and at the stations then it seems logical the customs offices should have it as well, otherwise ( as others have argued ) you might as well remove low sec from the game all together by removing the guns from gates and stations.
I like PI-- even back when it was a clickfest, but I don't like it enough to stand watch over multiple customs offices which are easy targets for any one who wants to shoot something. It seems like it's enough to be at risk just moving your goods from the planet to station. Anyway, just my two cents. I'd like to hear the thoughts, rants, and ranges of other players who have been involved in low sec PI. |
B DeLeon
DeLeon Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:53:00 -
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I'm going to make so much money in PI by counting only the ragequitting competition that it makes me wet just by thinking about it :) |
mkint
403
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:55:00 -
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Predicting in a years time eve will be nothing but rmt nullbears and a handful of rookies they sell to. I was initially hoping this expansion was going to take eve off it's death spiral not accelerate it. If summer follows the same patterns of gameplay development well... I guess sometimes things have to fall apart to make room for better things. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:58:00 -
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mkint wrote:Predicting in a years time eve will be nothing but rmt nullbears and a handful of rookies they sell to. I was initially hoping this expansion was going to take eve off it's death spiral not accelerate it. If summer follows the same patterns of gameplay development well... I guess sometimes things have to fall apart to make room for better things.
Don't let the captain's quarters door hit you on the way out Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
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mkint
403
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Posted - 2011.11.29 04:04:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:mkint wrote:Predicting in a years time eve will be nothing but rmt nullbears and a handful of rookies they sell to. I was initially hoping this expansion was going to take eve off it's death spiral not accelerate it. If summer follows the same patterns of gameplay development well... I guess sometimes things have to fall apart to make room for better things. Don't let the captain's quarters door hit you on the way out You do realize that after the devs ruin the game for you you'll have to find another game that will put up with you, right? |
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
202
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Posted - 2011.11.29 04:13:00 -
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Predicting a very high price on PI and a shortage of it within 3 weeks.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
B DeLeon
DeLeon Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.11.29 04:16:00 -
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Don't be so pessimistic. At summer dust will come (or if not than next winter) and I'm sure it will bring a full nullsec sov warfare overhaul too. Also there are so many potential and possibilitys in WIS too what we can't see right now. Planetary colonization is also barely touched. If they make the colony management deeper and more complex it can be a good hook for strategy and manager simulator fans. EVE will survive as long as CCP takes care of the game. If not by the bittervets than by the new generations. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
257
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Posted - 2011.11.29 05:34:00 -
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predicting null players will be whining about how they dont have pos fuel in 3 weeks after roaming gangs destroy gantries regularly. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2011.11.29 05:49:00 -
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Predict that all predictions of doom and gloom will not be nearly as bad as expected and that most people in lowsec will not really feel like grinding through gantry EHP, or if they do, will get regularly dropped on by people who find shooting players more fun than shooting stationary objects.
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
49
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Posted - 2011.11.29 05:57:00 -
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You dont have to use the Customs Office to get stuff of a planet. Or shocking idea, buy your own Customs Office and charge yourself 0% Tax on export/imports.
For the cheapest ones, Talk to some FW guys I know some people that have been farming LPs so they can get them onto market.
If you're some solo/small corp that can't protect an Office then ur... Welcome to Eve.... |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
49
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Posted - 2011.11.29 05:59:00 -
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Tamiya Sarossa wrote:Predict that all predictions of doom and gloom will not be nearly as bad as expected and that most people in lowsec will not really feel like grinding through gantry EHP, or if they do, will get regularly dropped on by people who find shooting players more fun than shooting stationary objects.
Tested it on Sisi,
2 Dreads took 3 Cycles to eat away the EHP. 1 of which was not up their with skills(L3). So If you drop 10 Dreads and support it will take 1 cycle per office. |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.29 06:14:00 -
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100% chance of Tears predicted. Low sec + Carebears + PVP = Does not compute!
They will just go back to running their missions and spinning their ships in station while their planets die an ugly death.
Lord of the Flies, EVE Edition. I bet the fat kid with the bling bling Tengu gets eaten first.
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Sanguine Belroth
Ascetic Virtues
6
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Posted - 2011.11.29 06:24:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Tamiya Sarossa wrote:Predict that all predictions of doom and gloom will not be nearly as bad as expected and that most people in lowsec will not really feel like grinding through gantry EHP, or if they do, will get regularly dropped on by people who find shooting players more fun than shooting stationary objects.
Tested it on Sisi,
2 Dreads took 3 Cycles to eat away the EHP. 1 of which was not up their with skills(L3). So If you drop 10 Dreads and support it will take 1 cycle per office.
- That seems reasonable to me. Its much more EHP than a bored pirate in a cyclone will ever manage to chew through in an afternoon. So pirate corps will be able to extort lone players. But, lone players can't extort other lone players.
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
167
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Posted - 2011.11.29 06:28:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Tamiya Sarossa wrote:Predict that all predictions of doom and gloom will not be nearly as bad as expected and that most people in lowsec will not really feel like grinding through gantry EHP, or if they do, will get regularly dropped on by people who find shooting players more fun than shooting stationary objects.
Tested it on Sisi,
2 Dreads took 3 Cycles to eat away the EHP. 1 of which was not up their with skills(L3). So If you drop 10 Dreads and support it will take 1 cycle per office. Yeah, I did it with 1 dread in seige mode and it didn't even take 30minutes on Sisi. I'm actually thinking about setting up a customs office somewhere with lowish tax and see how long it lasts for.
And another note I have some advanced PI commodities for sale on the market. The market price is getting very close to the high price I put on mine. I really am wondering how high the price will go. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
216
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:01:00 -
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PI is dead. MM Bombers, Best Bombers
Remove Drone Poo.
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MirrorGod
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
16
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:40:00 -
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Hopefully, we might even see some conflict over the PI hub -- turning it from a useless and passive ninja-carebear activity into something worth defending.
Worth defending, if the prices go high enough.
Clever introduction of mechanics CCP, well done indeed. http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6070/6122338654_85e9bbfca9_z.jpg |
Khors
El Barco Pirata
25
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:44:00 -
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Even if CCP didn't change a thing there would be tears |
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
42
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:51:00 -
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Yes, yes, you can blow up all the gantries and leave lowsec barren. Am I really the first to suggest installing a honeytrap Customs gantry thing set to allow neutrals access on the cheap as a killmail farm? Really?
(hint: bombers can break cloak and target immediately) |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:05:00 -
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This is going to be ace. the destroy everything crowd will destroy every customs office they see and then moan that there are no customs offices in lowsec. They wont do PI themselves as they are not there for carebear stuff.
alternatively the destroy everything crowd will destroy customs offices until they get bored of doing that and then will not bother with them unless they have a fruitless night on a gatecamp and will destroy one just to show something at the end of the night.
If i was more interested in this game i would speculate on the market more as this was obviously coming Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:12:00 -
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mkint wrote:Predicting in a years time eve will be nothing but rmt nullbears and a handful of rookies they sell to. I was initially hoping this expansion was going to take eve off it's death spiral not accelerate it. If summer follows the same patterns of gameplay development well... I guess sometimes things have to fall apart to make room for better things.
can i have your stuff?
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Gealbhan
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
73
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:20:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:After I read about the changes and figured out how it would affect the small-time low-sec harvester, I pretty much gave up on PI. CCP just ruined a means for the small guy to make money (I also noted, ironically, that they want the small guy in null-sec.)
I'd say "Go **** yourself, CCP", but that's not productive and ranting.
There's no room for the small guy in the game. Join a corp/alliance and work together or perish alone in space.
(Note: the above is rhetorical and meant merely as satire)
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
203
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:33:00 -
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So GSF is crying |
Handsome Hussein
136
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:36:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:There's no room for the small guy in the game. Join a corp/alliance and work together or perish alone in space. Actually, now that I've seen some tax rate tears, I contend that there is room in EVE for the small guy. Command center PI from jetcans is going to be pretty damn profitable, even at such low volumes. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:43:00 -
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Well actually I don't really care, I've neer expected or wanted 2 gazillions of alts for PI and buy plex and play for free.
I do it smoothly, will those taxes be higher? -probably, the fact is that taxes are repported on final price so very simple, PI will be worthy for once I hope. If it doesn't well I'll just stop it and do something else until it's improved.
Tears? sure, I can't wait to read about those. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
41
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:46:00 -
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mkint wrote:You do realize that after the devs ruin the game for you you'll have to find another game that will put up with you, right?
they are the devs. Also the CSM. also a huge blue stained alliance. In essence they are EvE. So nice try but thats like telling a self-employed worker not to go on the sick in case they get fired.
Also in other tinfoil that OP looks very much like a copy paste, as though this information was old news to someone who had (with much glee) already produced an OP like the OP to drop like the OP did in the OP.
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Xtover
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:48:00 -
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Most.. by most I mean just about every... PvPer doesn't give a damn about your customs offices or PI.
You'll be fine, because honestly nobody gives a ****. We go to planets to bounce from a fight or to a gate. |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:48:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:So GSF is crying
Nope.
This change to tax reference values was a direct result of a thread I started in S&I: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33468&find=unread
It should directly benefit anyone doing PI, as PI prices will rise in response to the new taxes. But it will especially benefit lowsec/Wh/nullsec POCO owners, as they will have a new source of income and new economic gameplay.
Some lowsec carebears have complained, but that is only because people will actually be interested in PI now. They may even need to fight in lowsec or ally with someone who can protect them or their POCOs. Crazy, huh? Emergent, player-driven economic gameplay!
It's a great change and will make POCOs matter, instead of becoming another ignored feature. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:53:00 -
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Instead of moaning likke little girls why don't you just blow those customs and put yours instead?
-Of course your alliances will put 0% tax rate heh?
Well if they don't just don't cry about CCP, kick your alliance and do something about it ^^ |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
247
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:01:00 -
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mkint wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:mkint wrote:Predicting in a years time eve will be nothing but rmt nullbears and a handful of rookies they sell to. I was initially hoping this expansion was going to take eve off it's death spiral not accelerate it. If summer follows the same patterns of gameplay development well... I guess sometimes things have to fall apart to make room for better things. Don't let the captain's quarters door hit you on the way out You do realize that after the devs ruin the game for you you'll have to find another game that will put up with you, right?
Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
59
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:05:00 -
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I only have two minor complaints with what has been done.
1) other people's cans are hard to see in Amarr space (the icon, not the can itself) because the yellow is much darker and less intense.
2) the sunny side of Amarr stations glow enough to burn through lead... so bright. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:07:00 -
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It is my inner and dear wish that every custom office in low sec gets destroyed. Over and over again. Never to last a week. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
419
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:09:00 -
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my canteen is only partially full... The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
239
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:11:00 -
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We must all stay within the traditions of all MMOs and, for this expansion, so what was done in any forum for any MMO whenever there is an expansion:
Whine about EVERYTHING.
Now I will go shopping and get a huge hunk of Cheeeeeeeeeze!!!1!!! |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
30
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:17:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Predicting a very high price on PI and a shortage of it within 3 weeks.
Promise? Shortages equal profits.
I like profit.
'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:32:00 -
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AWWW YEEEE CALLED IT Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
191
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:21:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:So GSF is crying We're crying tears of joy. |
Petto Behr
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:26:00 -
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Confirming I'm crying like a proud mother. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
236
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:29:00 -
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I'm crying, too, but that's because I just chopped an onion. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
51
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:55:00 -
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Denidil wrote:PI is dead.
Thats made my top 5 dumbest things an eve player has post.
Pi isn't dead at all, if less people do it because they are lazy everyone else will get more money for there work. Pi will always have a market because of pos fuel. If more people like you just call time on it, all you will do is make it a better living for those not running scared.
Pi is dead, good god. Pi just became alot more profitable. Eve multiplay game, if you're one of the many solo npc corp Pi alts, then who gives a **** about you anyway. Join a corp, and fight for your planets.
Or pay more tax and get lower yield in the land of the Carebear. Eve like life always has a choice, nowhere in life or eve does it ever say you have to like either choice. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:00:00 -
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I predict change, and only Tzeentch knows what the end result will be. People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?" Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money. -Gene Simmons |
KHAAN DRAKE
Bancor Mercantile Franchise Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:11:00 -
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Thay have nebby right from hubble! The fonts for the old farts so thay can read from the sofa on the fity inch! You got to get with the times cat! This game is for the dead and dyin" if you can't see the writing on the wall then call domino's and order up some more font! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1730
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:15:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:I predict change, and only Tzeentch knows what the end result will be. Not even he/she/it knows, because if it was knowable, he/she/it would cease to existGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
242
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:43:00 -
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"Wait I didn't read the patch notes why am I paying so much money on my imports and exports CCP FIX NAO WAHHHHH"
Seriously, if you read the patch notes and keep reasonable tabs on the forums, things like this will not surprise you. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:51:00 -
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I quickly skimmed through the thread. So interbus POCOS uses market values to calculate export tax and ends up with ludicrous values? Isnt that a good thing that makes people want to blow interbus POCOs up and install their own?
Oh, highsec PI is kinda dead I guess... In any case this looks an interesting shakeup to the mummified state of the pre-patch PI. I cant wait to getmy new gaming rig and get my hands on it. |
SmashTech
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:11:00 -
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I'd cry but my left eye is missing. |
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The Crimson Invaider
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
21
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:16:00 -
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All these babies getting owned lol. |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:25:00 -
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Stealth buff to ******** NAPfests and RMT russians.
nul space that is 23/7 blue will benefit from extra isk income now. |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
39
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:56:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:It is my inner and dear wish that every custom office in low sec gets destroyed. Over and over again. Never to last a week. Call me curious, but why is it that you wish for this? |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
39
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:56:00 -
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Seriously, these forums need a doublepost anti-lag feature. |
SmashTech
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:03:00 -
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Look at your character. Now back to me. Now back to your character. Now back to me. Sadly, your character isn't me, but if you stopped doing PI in highsec and joined Goonswarm you could profit like you're me. Look down, look back up, where are you? You're on the ship with the man your character could be rich like. What's in your hand, back at me. I have it. It's an oyster with two PLEXes for that game you love. Look again: the PLEXes are now diamonds. Anything is possible when your character is part of the Swarm.
Now, to answer your question: why would anyone wish for all the lowsec POCOs to get blown up? For tears and profit, my silly dear...for tears, and for profit. The tears of highsec pubbies who can no longer pay for their PLEXes each month by planetary interaction alone and the profit of cheaper PLEX and more money in general from controlling POCOs that do exist in lowsec. Or, if you were smart enough to get into Goonswarm, the POCOs that exist in your null security space empire. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:49:00 -
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oh god I'm spacerich Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
58
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:24:00 -
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Smashtech, lol. I'm almost tempted to join, but i do not look like you and never will sadly.
Edit: love the Thompson reference |
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