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Fire Giant Caldari 78th Conglomerate Corp.	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:45:00 - [1] Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys attack a retriever mining without any warning or ransom request. Podding him was really just classless. Now I know in 0.4 space this is allowed so no "rules" were broken but have a little class and tact if you wish to do this. It was a retriever for gods sake and its not like he was going to fire back. You want to kill him...fine but at least try some sort of communication first to at least give him a chance to try and pay his way out. And he was podded to boot. Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away.
Trojanman190 Caldari Everlasting Impact	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:47:00 - [2] They should have ransomed. A lot of times the miner will pay the ransom, and offer to pay a bit more if the pirates stay around and protect him. THing is... strip miners sell for 3 mil each. So you have to make it worth the pirates time to let you live.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:47:00 - [3] What do you suggest the danger in 0.4 should be instead? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Brolly Caldari The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:48:00 - [4] it's out of empire space, you should expectto be shot when going through 0.4 and lower systems. If you can't deal with it, keep out
Antskyeeh The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:48:00 - [5] Tissue?
Brisi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:50:00 - [6] Low security space. L-O-W S-E-C-U-R-I-T-Y space. It has low security. You get the picture? If someone wants to kill a mining barge there, and loot those tasty strip miners, then they can do so. Oh, and maybe it's like shooting a guy in a wheelchair, but a guy in a wheelchair would probably also be shot while wheeling around in Somalia. Or a dark back alley in some American Metropolis. I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:50:00 - [7] maybe scream in local that you want to pay, more effective than beeing passive From Dusk till Dawn
Masu'di Es and Whizz	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:50:00 - [8] welcome to Eve (delete as appropiate) it's sad but true/good and cool
Lucil Nice Gallente The Black Death	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:51:00 - [9] Give Mercs work, pay them and dont whine about Pirats.
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:52:00 - [10] Was probably the roid liberation movement. They saw those poor defenseless roids being ganked and came to the rescue. They are Hero's Originally by: Posidrive So technically being a pirate is't quite as easy as I thought after reading this guide.

Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:53:00 - [11] They were teaching him to watch local and stay aligned and vigilant. He didn't. He died. People will kill you when you go to lowsec, that's a fact of the game. Moaning about it is like whining when somone takes your queen in a game of chess.
Krexus Amarr Reunited	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:54:00 - [12] I went into a belt one time found a retriever and killed it... it was so unfair i mean he wasn't gonna shoot back and ..... wait this was a good thing, PEW PEW PEW! --------- yes i kill topics They never got me Originally by: Red Knight Your forum-foo is strong
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Fire Giant *******s. As I said in another post, everyone in the game should have permanent kill rights on certain people. ----------
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:13:00 - [14] I hope your friend is now looking up ways to avoid getting podded. If so, then they taught him a valuable lesson. people are mean. get over it.
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:18:00 - [15] An ex-corpm8 of mine has killed ore thives in a battlebarge Anyway, nice couple of mil from selling stipminers. -----
Frederick Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Brisi Oh, and maybe it's like shooting a guy in a wheelchair, but a guy in a wheelchair would probably also be shot while wheeling around in Somalia. Or a dark back alley in some American Metropolis. Let's extend the metaphor a little further, it's like shooting a guy in a wheelchair in a darkened backalley who has solid gold wheeltrim. Yes, they might have tried a ransom, but who knows, maybe it was a retriever with stabs. A quick gank may have better odds for profit. And the podding generally results in less smack in local. Remember, travelling defenseless makes you foolish. Not the pirates cheap for picking on you. Of course, I in no way condone piracy, or the ganking of people who don't take adequate precautions to defend themselves. Lyrus Associates is recruiting
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:33:00 - [17] Like any PvP games, this also is a magnet for any kind of psycho kids hitting when they can. Lesson to learn: 1) till the moment you are ready, don't go, don't even transit lower the 0.5. 2) once ready (or you want a change of pace), bring the cheapest t1 frig with you, gang with other 40 ppl and enjoy "pvp" in 0.1-0.4 (and jump clone first......) 3) once grown up, bend over to a big corp/alliance and start to camp gates (Congratulation, you are among the cool kids now, and you can call the rest carebears.) Seriously, down there you must consider yourself a target, and should think like that. Think again next time.........
Laythun Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Calprimus Like any PvP games, this also is a magnet for any kind of psycho kids hitting when they can. seriously u idiots need to stop stereotyping people. Its rediculous and makes your point seem retarded in comparison. when you open with a statement like this your post loses all credibility. *See You In Space Cowboy*
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:36:00 - [19] Your friend should thank them for teaching him a valuable lesson. If you can't swim with the sharks, don't get in the water. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Garia666 on 07/09/2006 14:43:25 i know how you feel Just see it like this . . You come out of Juvenile school and its your first week in junior collage. Its so shocking at first .. Drugs, Sex, Fighting, and even bully`s after a while you get use to it and accept it and see it as common life which you have to survive. ITs hard and sometimes unfair. Just try adept/adjust and be better/smarter as the rest. Welcome To EVE my brother :)

Too Kind	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Calprimus Seriously, down there you must consider yourself a target, and should think like that. Think again next time......... Thinking to be a potential target expecially in low sec. and 0.0 is not the worst idea. I never forget that, when I'm travelling, otherwise it gets expensive. It works at least better than assuming that people leave me alone, although many don't. So your advice was a good one. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Calprimus Like any PvP games, this also is a magnet for any kind of psycho kids hitting when they can. seriously u idiots need to stop stereotyping people. Its rediculous and makes your point seem retarded in comparison. when you open with a statement like this your post loses all credibility. Here, get a cookie.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:48:00 - [23] I love threads like this, I really do. Fire Giant... don't pre-suppose you know the reasons for the ganking. They may be economic (selling the stripminers), resource driven (locals who claim the belts), or simply boredom driven (ooh something to gank, pretty explosion, smack talk from miners). No, it doesnt take much skill to gank a retriever, but its a viable way of generating an income. It also doesnt take much skill to sit in a belt mining, but that doesnt stop it also being a viable way of generating an income. EVE is an MMO... next time, protect your friend in a PvP fitted ship or at the very least watch local and safespot if trouble could be coming.
Bad Andy Mystical Awakening	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:48:00 - [24] Lesson learned. Point proven. Eve wins. Originally by: Antskyeeh Tissue? Surely it's not that exciting.
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 07/09/2006 14:43:25 i know how you feel Just see it like this . . You come out of Juvenile school and its your first week in junior collage. Its so shocking at first .. Drugs, Sex, Fighting, and even bully`s Lol Garia, what kind of college did you attend?
Zenemis Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Fire Giant Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys attack a retriever mining without any warning or ransom request. Podding him was really just classless. Without any warning? Really? Ebil Pirate: Miners! We're in the system and we're coming for you, 30 seconds, we've started counting now! Should this be mandatory for pirates? No ransom request? Too bad, it's really up to them.
Filan Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:55:00 - [27] i think whats sad is that .4 space is less secure then many .1 or 0.0 systems which are suppost to be less secure then .4
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:58:00 - [28] Mining in lowsec without backup and not aligned for instawarp,he gets ganked and wonders why?. Darwins natural selection extends even into EVE it seems. "Lame" is giving your opponent the opportunity to fight back, just ask Patton or any other real life General. Your friend died because he was stupid, no other reason. So he wasn¦t asked for a ransom......hmmmm nope, nothing in the EULA says he has to be. Pirates are not meant to be "classy" or "tactfull", they are nasty evil people out to spoil your fun, deal with it and give them as little opportunity as possible.
Mikey Monkfish	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:00:00 - [29] The question is, why did your mate take a retriever into low sec space without an escort of some type??
Karoth Tyu FATAL REVELATIONS	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:11:00 - [30] The reason why you... err, your friend, got popped is because A) Strip miners are decent loot. B) Your friend probably wouldn't have paid ransom anyway, like 95% of other people who are ransomed. and C) Pod kills are funny. Well, maybe not so much C, but the reason many pirates don't bother ransoming these days is because most people have got it in their head "Oh well they'll kill me anyway, so I'm not going to pay." Regardless, he was in a barge in lowsec obviously without an escort and got nailed for not paying attention to local. Sounds like the only problem here is a lack of intelligence.

Serapis Aote TBC Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Fire Giant Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys attack a retriever mining without any warning or ransom request. Podding him was really just classless. Now I know in 0.4 space this is allowed so no "rules" were broken but have a little class and tact if you wish to do this. It was a retriever for gods sake and its not like he was going to fire back. You want to kill him...fine but at least try some sort of communication first to at least give him a chance to try and pay his way out. And he was podded to boot. Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away. While not a fan of pirates myself, what do you expect in .4. Ransoms are rare given how easy it is for players now to fit WCS and escape. The chances of getting ransomed these days are slim. The only problem i really have with low sec empire as it stands now is that the rewards need to be increased given the risk. For mining and mission running you dont make much more in low sec then you could in empire. The belt ratting is not even close to comparable with the money you could make doing other things in high sec. Just bump the rewards to make low sec offer more rewards to reflect just how dangerous it is. To be honest low sec empire is the most dangerous area in the game by far and that includes all the 0.0 entrances. At least you can see the gate camps on the choke points.
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:28:00 - [32] So I took my little rifter with most of my total net worth in components loaded into it into 0.3 last night to see if I could handle the NPC rat spawns. Had a decent enough tank to fend them off and good enough guns/skills to kill them. A playarr warped into the belt while I was finishing the last of three rats that I was fighting. He was nice enough to sit and wait til I killed off the last rat. (he was close enough to already scramble me, I had no stabs) - we both knew he was going to obliterate me. I tipped my hat to him afterwards - I knew the risk I was taking by messing around in 0.3 I've been playing just over two weeks. I lost probably 75% of my net worth (man, I mean almost all of the comps were destroyed in the explosion, only ammo was left in my cargo can). It's a PvP game. That's the not-safe zone. You expect to be attacked in there. If you're not outfitted for heavy combat, with skills trained up to go with it, you can expect to die. Might be sooner, might be later. Chances are - it's sooner. Hopefully in a couple/few months, I'll have enough ISK and skills trained up to realistically put up a fight in lowsec. I certainly don't expect anyone to take it easy on me, give me a warning, a head start, hold my hand, powder my bum, change my diaper, and sing me a lullaby to send me off. And I'll be a better player for it, once I have that experience of not having been a ponce in lowsec. Seems like your friend would want to develop the skills as a player to be able to compete in EVE. Being given a get out of jail free card, when he had to have known he was doing something foolhardy (mining in lowsec with no backup, and it sounds like no stabs), certainly won't help him become a better player. If your friend wants to mine in lowsec, he should consider joining a corp that does mining ops and can provide security, or learn to do ninja mining with a disposable frigate.
mikerem	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Karoth Tyu The reason why you... err, your friend, got popped is because B) Your friend probably wouldn't have paid ransom anyway, like 95% of other people who are ransomed. Well, maybe not so much C, but the reason many pirates don't bother ransoming these days is because most people have got it in their head "Oh well they'll kill me anyway, so I'm not going to pay." And one wonders were they got that idea from The ebil cool pirats that want there cookie and eat it too, that were
Filan Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:42:00 - [34] lets just say if i know a system i have to go through is .4 i check the map but its not like i dont know its likely to be camped.
Otangka	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:48:00 - [35] Originally by: Ozawi So I took my little rifter with most of my total net worth in components loaded into it into 0.3 last night to see if I could handle the NPC rat spawns. Had a decent enough tank to fend them off and good enough guns/skills to kill them. A playarr warped into the belt while I was finishing the last of three rats that I was fighting. He was nice enough to sit and wait til I killed off the last rat. (he was close enough to already scramble me, I had no stabs) - we both knew he was going to obliterate me. I tipped my hat to him afterwards - I knew the risk I was taking by messing around in 0.3 I've been playing just over two weeks. I lost probably 75% of my net worth (man, I mean almost all of the comps were destroyed in the explosion, only ammo was left in my cargo can). It's a PvP game. That's the not-safe zone. You expect to be attacked in there. If you're not outfitted for heavy combat, with skills trained up to go with it, you can expect to die. Might be sooner, might be later. Chances are - it's sooner. Hopefully in a couple/few months, I'll have enough ISK and skills trained up to realistically put up a fight in lowsec. I certainly don't expect anyone to take it easy on me, give me a warning, a head start, hold my hand, powder my bum, change my diaper, and sing me a lullaby to send me off. And I'll be a better player for it, once I have that experience of not having been a ponce in lowsec. Seems like your friend would want to develop the skills as a player to be able to compete in EVE. Being given a get out of jail free card, when he had to have known he was doing something foolhardy (mining in lowsec with no backup, and it sounds like no stabs), certainly won't help him become a better player. If your friend wants to mine in lowsec, he should consider joining a corp that does mining ops and can provide security, or learn to do ninja mining with a disposable frigate. Thats the spirit, my dear friend, please OP read this carefully and learn from it
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:17:00 - [36] Victim: fire giant's friend Alliance: none Corp: 78th Conglomerate Corp. Destroyed: Retriever System: some low-sec system Security: 0.4 Involved parties: Name: Charles Darwin (laid the final blow) Security: -10.0 Alliance: none Corp: Darwin's griefing corp Ship: The Beagle Weapon: Darwinism ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Noluck Ned Was probably the roid liberation movement. They saw those poor defenseless roids being ganked and came to the rescue. They are Hero's Protecting Innocent Roids And Their Environment --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus
Skawl GeoTech	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:36:00 - [38] Edited by: Skawl on 07/09/2006 16:38:41 Originally by: Jim McGregor What do you suggest the danger in 0.4 should be instead? Don't you know anything? proper lowsec etiquete demands fluffy wuffy bunnys are dispenced to everyone you see. Oh, and Ozawi - keep up that attitude and you'll go far... nice to see newcomers who actually understand the whole ' it's not safe to fly here but worth the rewards if you have the sphericals for it' thing.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:40:00 - [39] Hmmm... Flying alone In Lowsec In a ship that SCREAMS "I use strip miners!" And you wonder why he got popped? C'mon dude... getting popped in low-sec isn't much fun but if you're going there you should expect to die eventually. ============================================= "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - Gen. George S. Patton
000Hunter000 Gallente Dummy Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:46:00 - [40] Class in low sec.. BHAHAHAA now there is a good one! There are people in BS sniping shuttles and newbfrigs, why? so they can have another statistic on their precious killboard (and because they prolly don't have a social life to speak of and need this to feel 'respected') Banner will be updated shortly

Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:48:00 - [41] Originally by: 000Hunter000 because they prolly don't have a social life to speak of and need this to feel 'respected') Recruitment
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Skawl Edited by: Skawl on 07/09/2006 16:38:41 Originally by: Jim McGregor What do you suggest the danger in 0.4 should be instead? Don't you know anything? proper lowsec etiquete demands fluffy wuffy bunnys are dispenced to everyone you see. Oh, and Ozawi - keep up that attitude and you'll go far... nice to see newcomers who actually understand the whole ' it's not safe to fly here but worth the rewards if you have the sphericals for it' thing. Heh, thankya. The way I see it is, that even though I lost money overall (yeah ship was insured, but comps are expensive for a newbie!) - it was a net gain in the end. Wiped a few 65k pirates, learned that my setup/skills could handle them (and how best to orbit them to minimize damage taken), reinforced the lesson that WCS are life savers if you're not geared for full on PvP, and added one more name to my list to watch out for if they enter local. All that has to be worth at least as much as the ISK would've been just idly sitting around in Empire. ;)
Metis AT	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Ozawi So I took my little rifter with most of my total net worth in components loaded into it into 0.3 last night to see if I could handle the NPC rat spawns. Had a decent enough tank to fend them off and good enough guns/skills to kill them. A playarr warped into the belt while I was finishing the last of three rats that I was fighting. He was nice enough to sit and wait til I killed off the last rat. (he was close enough to already scramble me, I had no stabs) - we both knew he was going to obliterate me. I tipped my hat to him afterwards - I knew the risk I was taking by messing around in 0.3 I've been playing just over two weeks. I lost probably 75% of my net worth (man, I mean almost all of the comps were destroyed in the explosion, only ammo was left in my cargo can). It's a PvP game. That's the not-safe zone. You expect to be attacked in there. If you're not outfitted for heavy combat, with skills trained up to go with it, you can expect to die. Might be sooner, might be later. Chances are - it's sooner. Hopefully in a couple/few months, I'll have enough ISK and skills trained up to realistically put up a fight in lowsec. I certainly don't expect anyone to take it easy on me, give me a warning, a head start, hold my hand, powder my bum, change my diaper, and sing me a lullaby to send me off. And I'll be a better player for it, once I have that experience of not having been a ponce in lowsec. Seems like your friend would want to develop the skills as a player to be able to compete in EVE. Being given a get out of jail free card, when he had to have known he was doing something foolhardy (mining in lowsec with no backup, and it sounds like no stabs), certainly won't help him become a better player. If your friend wants to mine in lowsec, he should consider joining a corp that does mining ops and can provide security, or learn to do ninja mining with a disposable frigate. ^ more players like this please...less players like the original poster.
Vanlade Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:24:00 - [44] The point is not that he was killed in 0.4 space. The point is that it was in the cheap way, without starting a conversation and asking for ransom. If the pirates wanted the loot only, then why kill the pod as well? At least ransom the pod first. - Vanlade
Tar Ecthelion Kryomek Industries	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:25:00 - [45] I hate thread s like this, mods should just lock em down from start to avoid all this bickering. Low sec is dangerous, dont go there not expecting to get attacked. In EVE, you are safe nowhere, learn to live by this rule and you'll do just fine, ignore it and you'll pay the price eventually. ..... "When you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite" Winston Churchill
Vanlade Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:28:00 - [46] Your bad experience is not due to game mechanics, but due to how some players have choosen to kill you without ransom and without roleplaying. - Vanlade
Wotar	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Calprimus Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Calprimus Like any PvP games, this also is a magnet for any kind of psycho kids hitting when they can. seriously u idiots need to stop stereotyping people. Its rediculous and makes your point seem retarded in comparison. when you open with a statement like this your post loses all credibility. Here, get a cookie. wtf does that mean? He is right. Stop making a fool of yourself.
Horatio Nately 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:39:00 - [48] Edited by: Horatio Nately on 07/09/2006 17:42:06 Edited by: Horatio Nately on 07/09/2006 17:39:54 I love how people go into low sec and expect NOT to be hunted. if I saw a retriever on scanner I'd probably wet myself and hunt it down too. Ever consider helping out your friend and mounting several corpmates for a mining op? (which has an equal chance of getting ganked tbh lol) --------------------------------------- What Alt? CEO, 808 Enterprises
Zed Hound Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:41:00 - [49] awwww muffin
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Fire Giant Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys attack a retriever mining without any warning or ransom request. Podding him was really just classless. Now I know in 0.4 space this is allowed so no "rules" were broken but have a little class and tact if you wish to do this. It was a retriever for gods sake and its not like he was going to fire back. You want to kill him...fine but at least try some sort of communication first to at least give him a chance to try and pay his way out. And he was podded to boot. Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away. ill give a go on podding u whitout waringing if i find you :P and thats for makeing this stupid post.... low sec... dangerous... ppl die....QQ

Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Vanlade The point is not that he was killed in 0.4 space. The point is that it was in the cheap way, without starting a conversation and asking for ransom. If the pirates wanted the loot only, then why kill the pod as well? At least ransom the pod first. People play this game for different reasons, thats what makes it so interesting. Its about time that buble of yours gets bursted. Recruitment
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Echelon	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Calprimus Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 07/09/2006 14:43:25 i know how you feel Just see it like this . . You come out of Juvenile school and its your first week in junior collage. Its so shocking at first .. Drugs, Sex, Fighting, and even bully`s Lol Garia, what kind of college did you attend? my kind
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:14:00 - [53] Oh dear. Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Halet Cu	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:16:00 - [54] Don't feel bad, I was ganked in .5 space in a covetor.
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Vanlade Your bad experience is not due to game mechanics, but due to how some players have choosen to kill you without ransom and without roleplaying. And what do you expect? "parlay?" -- One of the things my corp does on a regular basis, is setting up bait traps for local pirates. Have a miner out there (with scramblers and other nasty modules) and pretend to be innocently mining. A pirate that ransoms is gonna get blown to bits. heck even if he doesn't ransom, we're gonna blow him to bits. Expecting them to hang around any longer than it takes for them to get the kill and loot the can is pretty naive. "Get the gank, loot the can, and get the hell outta there" - that's what we consider to be a pretty smart pirate.
Lumel Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:31:00 - [56] I was uh.. suicided on in .5 space in a Retriever. Some guy in a caracal with thermal missiles and standard missile launchers.. I just knew from his approach that he was going to fire, but I had a smallish tank that still survived enough for CONCORD to teach him the error of his ways. I still chuckle at that. Kinetic heavies would have blown me up, but thermal standards? --- Knowledge won't help us understand
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Vanlade Your bad experience is not due to game mechanics, but due to how some players have choosen to kill you without ransom and without roleplaying. They were roleplaying mute pirates. Pirates kill people and take their stuff, mutes can't talk... ergo no ransom :)
Gothikia Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:38:00 - [58] all i can do is laugh... so haha Regeneration - Nothing is better than us, Not Even Doom Music!
Wanoah Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.07 19:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Fire Giant Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys attack a retriever mining without any warning or ransom request. Podding him was really just classless. Now I know in 0.4 space this is allowed so no "rules" were broken but have a little class and tact if you wish to do this. It was a retriever for gods sake and its not like he was going to fire back. You want to kill him...fine but at least try some sort of communication first to at least give him a chance to try and pay his way out. And he was podded to boot. Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away. Welcome to Eve. It's tough out there...
I M'Aspy	Posted - 2006.09.07 19:54:00 - [60] If I had 1 isk for every time we get one of these "OMG I was in 0.2 mining alone in my barge and someone podded me WTF!!!1!111!!" posts, I'd be flying around in a Titan right now. Welcome to EVE, dry your eyes, hug a tree and in 12 months it'll be you doing the podding.

Fire Giant Caldari 78th Conglomerate Corp.	Posted - 2006.09.07 19:57:00 - [61] Edited by: Fire Giant on 07/09/2006 19:57:25 ill give a go on podding u whitout waringing if i find you :P and thats for makeing this stupid post.... low sec... dangerous... ppl die....QQ Wow.....Im scared now. Since Ive only been playing 2.5 months I dont think you will see me in low sec space anytime soon. BTW dictionary.com is your friend. I wasnt saying what was done was wrong or whining about it, just that the way it went down was a little lame considering it being a mining barge that is basically not armed. Be that as it may....I guess he learned his lesson the hard way..........and me as well.....not to try and have a rational conversation in the playskool forums.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Fire Giant Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys attack a retriever mining without any warning or ransom request. Podding him was really just classless. Now I know in 0.4 space this is allowed so no "rules" were broken but have a little class and tact if you wish to do this. It was a retriever for gods sake and its not like he was going to fire back. You want to kill him...fine but at least try some sort of communication first to at least give him a chance to try and pay his way out. And he was podded to boot. Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away. Maybe they didn't want ISK, maybe they wanted to kill and sift through the remains? Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
Zasmar Minmatar Dkiller Delta Force Corp.	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:05:00 - [63] Its a Game and its Called PvP. Ask me how I felt when I lost my 100mil temp? I was mad but I knows its a game. sig design available eve-mail Zasmar
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:10:00 - [64] meh, it happens... its pointless, all it does is ruin sombodys day for barely any gain. I have a pirate alt, i dont attack anything smaller than a battlecruiser. and then its only if the pilot is old enough to have a chance of carrying decent loot. why waste security staus, ammo and 20 mins of time for a boring pointless gank. ----- Move along, nothign to see here...
Antskyeeh The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Fire Giant BTW dictionary.com is your friend. I wasnt saying what was done was wrong or whining about it, just that the way it went down was a little lame considering it being a mining barge that is basically not armed. Be that as it may....I guess he learned his lesson the hard way..........and me as well.....not to try and have a rational conversation in the playskool forums. whine [hwahyn] noun. 2. to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way Courtesy of Dictionary.com .... maybe you ought to use it yourself before recommending to others. Oh and btw talking about yourself in the third person ("a friend of mine" cough cough) precludes you from having a rational conversation from the get-go. That's what a friend of mine thinks.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:28:00 - [66] Originally by: Zasmar Its a Game and its Called PvP. Ask me how I felt when I lost my 100mil temp? I was mad but I knows its a game. 100 mill temp, you didnt have it fitted? Recruitment
Synapse X Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:31:00 - [67] Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys mine an asteroid without any warning or ransom request. Popping him was really just classless. Now I know in 0.4 space this is allowed so no "rules" were broken but have a little class and tact if you wish to do this. It was an asteroid for gods sake and its not like he was going to fire back. You want to mine him...fine but at least try some sort of communication first to at least give him a chance to try and pay his way out. And he was popped to boot. Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away.
Iyanah Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Trojanman190 They should have ransomed. A lot of times the miner will pay the ransom, and offer to pay a bit more if the pirates stay around and protect him. THing is... strip miners sell for 3 mil each. So you have to make it worth the pirates time to let you live. indeed. this is why people mining in low sec have a group of defending ships from their corp. if you want to solo mine in low sec, as trojanman said, wou WILL be attacked, now they should have ransomed your mate, but to be honest, they probably figured the money they'd get from the loot in his can would be far better and easier than ransoming your friend. next time tell him to have a mate or two in battleships to protect him. ========================================== Iy
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:38:00 - [69] Quote: Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away. Coincidentally, we do this very thing all the time here in NYC. Granted, here in the City - the guy in the wheelchair will shoot back...if he doesn't shoot first.
Fire Giant Caldari 78th Conglomerate Corp.	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Antskyeeh Originally by: Fire Giant BTW dictionary.com is your friend. I wasnt saying what was done was wrong or whining about it, just that the way it went down was a little lame considering it being a mining barge that is basically not armed. Be that as it may....I guess he learned his lesson the hard way..........and me as well.....not to try and have a rational conversation in the playskool forums. whine [hwahyn] noun. 2. to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way Courtesy of Dictionary.com .... maybe you ought to use it yourself before recommending to others. Oh and btw talking about yourself in the third person ("a friend of mine" cough cough) precludes you from having a rational conversation from the get-go. That's what a friend of mine thinks. Im sorry know it all it was a corp member ok. So cough all you want. I was away at dinner and came back and read the chat. I was just trying to find out how people felt about the situation and how it is precived as game play goes. Just because I was not there does not mean I cant hold a rational discussion on the matter. I wasnt in WW2 does that mean I cant talk about it intelligently.....Oh and by the way sc43w you too. Most of this community is way to childish to hold a rational dialogue and to the few that can I salute you. Its done and over with....nothing more constructive can come out of this...Im moving on.

Trhendor Amarr Legio Nova Invicta Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:58:00 - [71] Originally by: Fire Giant Edited by: Fire Giant on 07/09/2006 20:51:40 Originally by: Antskyeeh Originally by: Fire Giant BTW dictionary.com is your friend. I wasnt saying what was done was wrong or whining about it, just that the way it went down was a little lame considering it being a mining barge that is basically not armed. Be that as it may....I guess he learned his lesson the hard way..........and me as well.....not to try and have a rational conversation in the playskool forums. whine [hwahyn] noun. 2. to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way Courtesy of Dictionary.com .... maybe you ought to use it yourself before recommending to others. Oh and btw talking about yourself in the third person ("a friend of mine" cough cough) precludes you from having a rational conversation from the get-go. That's what a friend of mine thinks. Im sorry know it all it was a corp member ok. So cough all you want. I was away at dinner and came back and read the chat. I was just trying to find out how people felt about the situation and how it is precived as game play goes. Just because I was not there does not mean I cant hold a rational discussion on the matter. I wasnt in WW2 does that mean I cant talk about it intelligently?.....Oh and by the way sc43w you too. Most of this community is way to childish to hold a rational dialogue and to the few that can I salute you. Its done and over with....nothing more constructive can come out of this...Im moving on. Is more childish the people that reply to this (useless) thread or the one that come and whine (=spam) on the forum crying "buhuu, i went in low-sec with a mining barge and they killed me, buhuu"?
Zikke Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.07 21:13:00 - [72] Refer to my sig, thanks. -------- Get over it. (TM)
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.09.07 21:20:00 - [73] awwwww how sad, do you need someone to go and hold your hands? :'( ffs get over it. dont go in lowsec and get ****ed after getting ganked. ---------------- Meet... bunneh:
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.09.07 21:25:00 - [74] hrm...I have yet to hold a single rational discussion with a rat or a roid before blasting it with my guns and mining lasers. I see target, I point weapon/laser at it, I pull in ISK. The fact that it couldn't fight back, didn't stop me none. why is your friend any different?
Khemul Zula Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.07 22:37:00 - [75] Did you friend give warning to that poor asteroid that was savagely torn apart by his strip miners? Did he try to ransom it first? Anyways in all seriousness...why is a pirate not ransoming instantly lack of RP? Could the person not be RPing a killer? I mean just cause they are a pirate doesn't instantly put in a requirement that they must ransom you and it definately doesn't have a requirement to be fair. In fact I think the pirates were doing your friend a favor by helping him get out of the dangerous system and back to the safety of a station as quickly as possible. "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.07 22:44:00 - [76] Originally by: Fire Giant Well it wasnt me but it was a friend of mine. I find it pretty LAME that 3 guys attack a retriever mining without any warning or ransom request. Podding him was really just classless. Now I know in 0.4 space this is allowed so no "rules" were broken but have a little class and tact if you wish to do this. It was a retriever for gods sake and its not like he was going to fire back. You want to kill him...fine but at least try some sort of communication first to at least give him a chance to try and pay his way out. And he was podded to boot. Like I said it was fair game but you might as well just shot a guy in a wheelchair, in the back trying to get away. As I post in all these "I got killed in low sec" threads: WHY THE ** WERE YOU MINING IN LOW SEC? Everyone should know by now that the risk v. reward for low sec is completely **** up. Either stay in hi sec or go straight to 0.0!
VulkanXx Minmatar Original Black Plague Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:00:00 - [77] I'm not sure why i'm even bothering to post this.... but.... Haha.
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:14:00 - [78] Edited by: Calprimus on 07/09/2006 23:15:02 Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Calprimus Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Calprimus Like any PvP games, this also is a magnet for any kind of psycho kids hitting when they can. seriously u idiots need to stop stereotyping people. Its rediculous and makes your point seem retarded in comparison. when you open with a statement like this your post loses all credibility. Here, get a cookie. wtf does that mean? He is right. Stop making a fool of yourself. Roll back in your egg and post with your main.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:18:00 - [79] Welcome to EVE. This is a problem in eve imho. Defensless ships are some of the easiest to kill, should be the otherway around since they present such low threat levels. also EVE is about e-thugs, travel in groups kill defensless and solo players beat your chest that you are a great pvp'er as only the hardcore can survive RAAAAAAAAAAAAR! Big part of what hold EVE back from being a first class game, it caters to weak bully types, wait infact it grants total EZ mode to them.
Ronin Woman	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:18:00 - [80] Have to agree with author - anyone who attacks an unarmed ship is just plain lame- much less pod as well. Prolly 3 pimply kids without a brain between them. Takes no skill, no tactics, no brains & no risk to themselves [note: 3 vs 1]. Just stupid- could understand the ransom thing- thats cool or pay me to play on my turf or if they at war- that very good tatic to bleed resources of ur enemy. But other than that I say they should be reprocessed as they cannot be allowed to breed.

Souma12	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:18:00 - [81] hehe i didnt know the pirates should be classy... and get good defense before mining in LOW SECURITY systems....
Khemul Zula Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:36:00 - [82] Quote: Defensless ships are some of the easiest to kill, should be the otherway around since they present such low threat levels. "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."
VulkanXx Minmatar Original Black Plague Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:49:00 - [83] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Welcome to EVE. This is a problem in eve imho. Defensless ships are some of the easiest to kill, should be the otherway around since they present such low threat levels. also EVE is about e-thugs, travel in groups kill defensless and solo players beat your chest that you are a great pvp'er as only the hardcore can survive RAAAAAAAAAAAAR! Big part of what hold EVE back from being a first class game, it caters to weak bully types, wait infact it grants total EZ mode to them. Eh... that's the second completely idiotic post i've seen by you, in 5 minutes. Please, do us all a favor, and leave, You clearly do not know what EVE is about, and why it was designed the way it was.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:54:00 - [84] Low sec mining in empire guide 1. Mine in a system that has very few people in or around. 2. Watch LOCAL! if anyone shows up esp if they have a -1 sec status, warp to station or safe. 3. Keep a PVP fitted battlecruiser around.
Benglada Finite Auxiliary	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:55:00 - [85] lol "For god sake it wasent like i was going to fire back!" Im 99.999% sure that was the point. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
DefJam101	Posted - 2006.09.07 23:56:00 - [86] Good example of what mission running carebears do to EVE's forums. EVEN IF YOU ARE OUTNUMBERED AND HAVE NO GUNS, IT IS ALWAYS A FAIR FIGHT. This is EVE, not "Space Combat Sim 1". When you undocked in that retriever with no guns and no defense, THAT is when you fought against them, and THAT is when you lost. Also no ransoms are needed, it is called low sec PvP, I do it all the time, I do not ransom, and when ransomed, I don't pay.
Necrosmith Gallente Wife lets me play corp	Posted - 2006.09.08 00:29:00 - [87] Originally by: Noluck Ned Was probably the roid liberation movement. They saw those poor defenseless roids being ganked and came to the rescue. They are Hero's Brilliant! Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Quin Tal Expeto Libertas	Posted - 2006.09.08 00:30:00 - [88] Shouldn't have been in 0.4 without an escort at least. Low sec is low sec for a reason, death!
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.08 00:35:00 - [89] I got 2 for one on mature chedder in the shop today, here. You can have the free one. -------------- Dang nabit
Loretta Tong	Posted - 2006.09.08 01:26:00 - [90] Edited by: Loretta Tong on 08/09/2006 01:28:29 well, in a place without rules, you have to expect the worst in people. dont be surpised someone kills you..(heck, even in high sec.) just cause they can... I got my frig poped once by a caracal when I was only carrying skillbooks in high sec.. whoop-di-do, they got me....just makes it that next time I move something from stations, I am putting it in a tanked Battleship. (and not stepping in 0.4 or below. ) about the E-thug thing that eve caters to, is true. those who say otherwise just believes in the non-exsistant notion of player justice...or have a conscience that they want to silence.. I mean.. how many players Pirates are there in Eve? compared to the players that take up the noble/altrusitic Police force roles? (anti-pirates that kill everybody doesnt count. and ISS/other major "peaceful" alliances charges isks for use of their space dont count either, the only example of it was TBB.. and TBB died. ) and even in the rookie help channel... there are TONS of new players asking how to be pirates... (I miss the rookie help channel...anywho...) I can say the amount is much more than those who aspire to be the "good guys" or industrial types. But yeah, Stay out of low sec if you dont want to deal with the CS-BAM-headshot types... if need minerals... buy them off the market, saves ya alot of frustation. but hey, what do I know, I am only a newb small time frig manufacturer/mission runner... one thing is for sure... is wayyyyyy easier to destory than to create in this game. thats what makes it interesting. (for me anyways) to see how this community develops.



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