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uglylil foo
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Posted - 2006.09.09 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Happydayz
That's silly. Not all alliances are equal in terms of skillpoints or equipment. Putting any sort of cap on the number of ships you can bring to a fight inherently biases the outcome towards the older of the two groups
Yes it would. However isn't the bias towards the older of the two groups heavy already? The older group can field capital ships, techII guns etc.... The younger group in most cases wouldn't stand a chance anyhow.. unless the older group screws up or has a crap FC.
Atm the only thing in the younger group's favour is lag.. because bringing more numbers does not empower any group. All it does is create more and more lag, to the point where the game becomes unplayable for both parties. The outcome is then a game of chance.
Splitting large numbers of pilots into several fleets only means that alliances would have to be more creative with their strategies.. 2 pronged attacks at different locations or more careful selection of targets, i.e don't punch above your weight etc.
Fact is that EVE does not support mega battles, I know that, you know it.. everybody knows it.
EVE at the moment can handle at the very most 100 vs 100 or some other similar number.
If a group is full of vets, more experienced and better equipped.. then the alliance of new players should give them a wide birth and pick a fight with somebody in their league.
Am I missing something here, or are you suggesting it be made realistically impossible for fleets of newer players to win in almost any scenario?
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 21:15:00 -
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CCP or whoever should do WHATEVER it takes to eradicate lag to a level where alliance warfare is applicable. Kill of bm's, nerf caldari (j/k), whatever it takes. Was recently in lowsec with no more than 30 ppl and the lag was attrocious, i knw theres all this new coding and such but surely lag issue should be uber fix issue rather than new ships and more subscribers.
I love this game, i play it loads but sometimes this lag BS gets too much
Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance |
Zedic
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:32:00 -
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Nez, I see what you are saying, and honestly some sort of "treaty" or agreement between two warring groups might deal with this in the mean time but I don't like that, nor should we have to come up with these "no more than 100 pilots per side" work arounds. We shouldn't have to do this because as someone else mentioned, this is an MMO.
CCP has created an amazing product, one of the best MMO's I've ever played but this is a nasty little fly in the ointment that needs to be addressed, and quickly. It will be interesting to see the GM's response to this problem - if there is indeed a response.
Quote: Well, that would be bad for me, seeing as the servers are in London which is where I live
You should go wack the servers with a baseball bat. :) That'll teach em!
Zed
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Befounder
202INC
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:34:00 -
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kill BMs ... check renew the codebase ... check # of players less than 30k ... check
there is no lag, move along!
* sir there is a lag leakage in system jita * bring the band-aid hamsters! there is no worse death than the end of hope |
Zedic
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:54:00 -
[95]
Proof CCP are all pirates!
(it was nice knowing you all lol they'll probably pwn me for this one)
Lazytown - You are a Pirate!
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:19:00 -
[96]
Thanks for picking the weekend of the Notre Dame home opener.
I'm certain I'll get my revenge for it.
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: TooooWANDA Just take away sec status gain from 0.0 BS npc'ing. That will send all those horrible npc'ers to empire so fleet battles like this can go on without lag.
Rofl, what a theory. That's why I love these forums.
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Antaris Xenal
Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zedic Proof CCP are all pirates!
(it was nice knowing you all lol they'll probably pwn me for this one)
Lazytown - You are a Pirate!
yarrr you will be pwnt by teh server admin of d00mzorz!111one!!one!1
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 10/09/2006 01:35:37 Oveur's blog about the server upgrade in january: "7. How many PVPers do you estimate will be able to blob each other to death in a single 0.0 system? Enough to make the baby jesus cry."
So I suppose the question, how many players in one battle make baby jesus cry has been answered to some extent. Shouldn't be more than yesterday.
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TheDevilsJury
principle of motion
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:52:00 -
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we had this problem in XZH today with YW and RISE.
YW dropped a dictor bubble on the gate and warped 15 to 20 ppl to the gate. We jumped through the gate with about 15 to 20 ships.
Result: complete client freeze followed by a node crash. EVERYONE in CR and a lot of OR was disconnected. Fortunately it went right back up and we were able to continue.
But I mean, there were 50 ships there maximum. And the server couldn't handle it. ----------------------- sig below
Originally by: ISD I don't think I've ever seen anyone hijack their own thread before
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Major Dim Well....i got kicked 6 times from the server...15 mins to log in back....killed 4 ships....lost ship....podded... Thanks CCP
*cough* C-J *cough* RA: "We won, becouse of our tactics" *cough*
Eat some from ur own medicine
Me? I¦m just another guy in Local......but better u pay attention.....
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Khayman33
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:20:00 -
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ATM eve suck , eve bring blob by is game mechanic ( alliance , pos , sovereignity , etc ... ) and WE CAN T HAVE A 50 VS 50 WITHOUT LAG ...
Correct the lag or change the game mechanic , we can t do allaince warfare !!
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Antaris Xenal
Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:20:00 -
[103]
Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Major Dim Well....i got kicked 6 times from the server...15 mins to log in back....killed 4 ships....lost ship....podded... Thanks CCP
*cough* C-J *cough* RA: "We won, becouse of our tactics" *cough*
Eat some from ur own medicine
awwww we were SO close to having no smack in this thread! Just a wee bit earlier tho sadly :(
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:37:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Antaris Xenal
Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Major Dim Well....i got kicked 6 times from the server...15 mins to log in back....killed 4 ships....lost ship....podded... Thanks CCP
*cough* C-J *cough* RA: "We won, becouse of our tactics" *cough*
Eat some from ur own medicine
awwww we were SO close to having no smack in this thread! Just a wee bit earlier tho sadly :(
Couldn¦t hold it back anymore
Nah....to get serious. It wasnt fun for EVERYONE! The bad thing is, that it affected players, who were not involved. Another bad thing is, that this lag-fest wount stop in the near future, becouse CCP got "good" yarrrdware allready. And yea.....like someone from another alliance said allready..........220+ ppl jumping on 200+ ppl and not expecting lag or server-crash is just, meh .
Me? I¦m just another guy in Local......but better u pay attention.....
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Light Darkness
Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.10 11:39:00 -
[105]
Ladys and Gentlemen
I dont opened this topic that we can blame us self. We should blame CCP (sry CCP).
We all pay for a game that is great and fantastic to play(best game i every saw).
BUT (looking to CCP) !!! Please dont sleep and look on your "old old old" gamers in EvE. They wrote your history in EvE and the old gamers will hold your game great !!! But you are still on it to loose the "old gamers" now more and more.
Wake up CCP !! Most new players in eve wont stay long cause they dont have peoples they explain the game and/or speaking from a history in EvE. They play EvE for 2 or 4 month. Thats all.
Dont make eve to a mass game. more and more gamers....more and more. You have now over 3oooo gamers online. Tons of players. But for what? You lost per online member the control over the servers.
Try to keep this count but get the control back on the servers.
I swear CCP: If you delete the BM¦s or somethink else. All would cry the first days. But if they can play a beautiful game without lag. Then they are ALL fine. And you wont loose more "old gamers".
I hope you read that (sry for my bad english) and think about that.
Best Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:17:00 -
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I really hope somebody from CCP is reading this thread, cause that was a nice post LD.
Lag is fast becoming the single biggest issue for most players both in 0.0 and in crowded empire. Is CCP paying attention?
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:59:00 -
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Sure CCP knows whats going on but my guess is they are tired from all the whining and decided to keep their mouths shut and are working on stuff to make things better.
They have to get Kali 1 running before Xmas, get rid of that insane petition queue, organize the fanfest and get that new Interstellar Business Muppets hardware setup. |
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:59:00 -
[108]
btw.. there is a thread on known issues and workarounds that might be worth keeping near the top.. might wanna go and post there in order to get CCP to at least give a response on the issue...
Eve becoming unplayable
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: fuze Sure CCP knows whats going on but my guess is they are tired from all the whining and decided to keep their mouths shut and are working on stuff to make things better.
Well yeah but it wouldn't do them any harm to actually come out and say that there could be a problem and that they are looking into how the lag can be reduced overall... that would cost them nothing.
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:17:00 -
[110]
Agreed but somehow they don't bother to communicate that often anymore. Dev blogs are pretty nice but not enough when issues like these occur.
And God knows whats going on behind the scenes. They had 2 codebranches merged and somehow the optimalisations got borked. This problem even could be a single statement of code where there are about 1 million lines in total. Who knows if they are rewriting parts in assembler. Debugging, sweating, caffeine overdose and analysing data for days. And now even getting a build seems to be a major challenge. (sharkbait said)
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness Ladys and Gentlemen
I dont opened this topic that we can blame us self. We should blame CCP (sry CCP).
We all pay for a game that is great and fantastic to play(best game i every saw).
BUT (looking to CCP) !!! Please dont sleep and look on your "old old old" gamers in EvE. They wrote your history in EvE and the old gamers will hold your game great !!! But you are still on it to loose the "old gamers" now more and more.
Wake up CCP !! Most new players in eve wont stay long cause they dont have peoples they explain the game and/or speaking from a history in EvE. They play EvE for 2 or 4 month. Thats all.
Dont make eve to a mass game. more and more gamers....more and more. You have now over 3oooo gamers online. Tons of players. But for what? You lost per online member the control over the servers.
Try to keep this count but get the control back on the servers.
I swear CCP: If you delete the BM¦s or somethink else. All would cry the first days. But if they can play a beautiful game without lag. Then they are ALL fine. And you wont loose more "old gamers".
I hope you read that (sry for my bad english) and think about that.
Best Regards /LD
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nickky01
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Thanks for picking the weekend of the Notre Dame home opener.
I'm certain I'll get my revenge for it.
sorry for going offtopic...but...yes!
i live about 5 mins away from Notre Dame and was tailgating allll day...i'm really hungover now :(
funny pics though...and funny that you guys caused 7000 peole to crash to =D
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C4w3
Minmatar Phantom Squad iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness Ladys and Gentlemen
I dont opened this topic that we can blame us self. We should blame CCP (sry CCP).
We all pay for a game that is great and fantastic to play(best game i every saw).
BUT (looking to CCP) !!! Please dont sleep and look on your "old old old" gamers in EvE. They wrote your history in EvE and the old gamers will hold your game great !!! But you are still on it to loose the "old gamers" now more and more.
Wake up CCP !! Most new players in eve wont stay long cause they dont have peoples they explain the game and/or speaking from a history in EvE. They play EvE for 2 or 4 month. Thats all.
Dont make eve to a mass game. more and more gamers....more and more. You have now over 3oooo gamers online. Tons of players. But for what? You lost per online member the control over the servers.
Try to keep this count but get the control back on the servers.
I swear CCP: If you delete the BM¦s or somethink else. All would cry the first days. But if they can play a beautiful game without lag. Then they are ALL fine. And you wont loose more "old gamers".
I hope you read that (sry for my bad english) and think about that.
Best Regards /LD
I just agree with you 100% LD........ and fleet battles are nerfed ;0)
"If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I¦ll just kill em all!" |
pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:19:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Tieger Pic
So let me get this strait... You guys new there was a goon blob jumping in so your solution to that particular problem was to warp in 200 ships to the gate, have everyone drop their drones, then come here blamming ccp for the server crashing? brillant.
no wonder ra is kicking your ass.
way to use your heads guys
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:24:00 -
[115]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Tieger Pic
So let me get this strait... You guys new there was a goon blob jumping in so your solution to that particular problem was to warp in 200 ships to the gate, have everyone drop their drones, then come here blamming ccp for the server crashing? brillant.
no wonder ra is kicking your ass.
way to use your heads guys
Get a clue.
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:30:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ediz Daxx
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Tieger Pic
So let me get this strait... You guys new there was a goon blob jumping in so your solution to that particular problem was to warp in 200 ships to the gate, have everyone drop their drones, then come here blamming ccp for the server crashing? brillant.
no wonder ra is kicking your ass.
way to use your heads guys
Get a clue.
hi.
You guys took a 200man blob to a gate and all dropped drones waiting for another 200 man blob to jump into you. What exactly did you expect the outcome of that to be? A clean lag free fight? Was that everyones first time playing eve?
Speaking of clues heres a free one. 200 ships + 200 ships + dropping drones = roasted server. Dont act suprised by that.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:35:00 -
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So its our fault that the goons jumped into us and crashed the node?
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Light Darkness
Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:45:00 -
[118]
Originally by: pershphanie
hi.
You guys took a 200man blob to a gate and all dropped drones waiting for another 200 man blob to jump into you. What exactly did you expect the outcome of that to be? A clean lag free fight? Was that everyones first time playing eve?
Speaking of clues heres a free one. 200 ships + 200 ships + dropping drones = roasted server. Dont act suprised by that.
1 Question: ò Do YOU make PvP??
If you want to fight you will use drones. If you see a 200+ enemy fleet you will arrive with near the same count. If a enemy try to invade your systems you will set all into position to defend it.
So. CCP allow us to use this features in the game. Nice. But what bring us this features if we cant use it?!!? So why not in front "delete" some features that we get a "clean" fight with the features we have then in eve.
Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:47:00 -
[119]
Originally by: pershphanie
hi.
You guys took a 200man blob to a gate and all dropped drones waiting for another 200 man blob to jump into you. What exactly did you expect the outcome of that to be? A clean lag free fight? Was that everyones first time playing eve?
Speaking of clues heres a free one. 200 ships + 200 ships + dropping drones = roasted server. Dont act suprised by that.
smartass, we were already there at the gate and didnt take it there. the server acutally crashed when they jumped in on US. not vice versa.
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:51:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Ediz Daxx So its our fault that the goons jumped into us and crashed the node?
its your fault that your side all went to the gate and dropped drones. There are things that you can do in eve to make lag better and things you can do to make it worse. Either you guys chose to make it worse or it was your fc's first time playing eve. I wasnt there so I wont speculate on that. A fc with any sense would have have not ordered everyone to drop drones or if he saw people dropping them order them to be recalled. That might have made the situation playable for you.
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