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Mr Epeen It's All About Me 476	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:50:00 - [31] - Quote Skizar wrote: What in gods name were you thinking when you made it so that it is wave based rather than bunker triggered? You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies. There are two options from here 1. Change it back cause its not even know compared to the faction anomalies or 2. increase the amount dropped buy the drones to compensate the increase time it takes to kill them now and then salvage and loot... Otherwise liking Crucible!!! Will So how much did you spend on the bot program that is now useless? Based on your angry post, I'd say you lost more than you wanted to. Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet.
Deathwing Reborn 2	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:56:00 - [32] - Quote I also am disapointed in this change. all the other sanctums got buffs and we get a nerf? I was looking forward to the site reward portion of this expansion but you just lost my +1 for it. Everything else in the expansion is great but this.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. 71	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:02:00 - [33] - Quote Try mining for all those mineral Slade
Severian Carnifex 80	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:09:00 - [34] - Quote myFORUMalt alts wrote: Please, end the argument and give us bounties. It would be awesome. Miners would stop complaining, Drone region pilots would rejoyce, everyone would be happy. Oh, and un nerf the salvage table, drone salvage sucks. Agreed... Miners did not get love from beginning of EVE... then drones were put in EVE and **** all miners earnings... and then ppl say that miners cant deliver enough ore... well in this conditions NO... in conditions where you with shooting down the planes earn more minerals to build the planes then with mining (what logic ) and prices are that low that any other thing in eve earn more, in this conditions no... but if you give back mining to miners we will all mine... you will see all space full of hulks once again... and its no fair that millions and millions and millions of specialized SPs invested in mining is outmined with less SPs invested in pew-pew... its not fair that our SPs in mining don't worth a . And bout drone region guys... i know that you want earn isk too... but you cant get more minerals because more minerals you get price drops and again you want more minerals... and in circle... and miners are **** once again... so... The only way is to give you guy something else... and i think CCP knows that too because its mentioned by them on few places... and by that we all will be happy...
Angus Thermopollye Duct Tape Mechanics NZAU Alliance 6	Posted - 2011.11.30 02:41:00 - [35] - Quote Basically, drones need to stop dropping minerals period. Something does need to be given in return though whether it be a bounty system or something else. Otherwise you nerf income for another segment of Eve which is also unacceptable. So give them something back most definitely. Get rid of the mineral drops from drones and I see this happening: 1. Sudden drop in the volume of minerals available on market. 2. Price of minerals goes up. 3. Miners can't keep up with the current demand to supply minerals for manufacturing but they'll have an income. 4. Leet players will no longer be able to fly a fleet of Mach's (or whatever insanely expensive ship they have) around haphazardly with no fear of losing it because they can easily replace it because the prices of ships will go way up. 5. You start seeing some decent PvP that the 'bears in High Sec might actually be willing to do every now and then. The economy of the game balances out a bit and people realize that not everyone should be flying a faction fit e-peen but instead be a little more practical and round out your fleets. The number one most important thing is that miners get some sort of income back. This is coming from someone who's tried most aspects of the game and I am by no means in love with mining. It actually makes mining a valuable asset to the PvP players. It makes 0.0 systems valuable again for something other than just holding the biggest area. You're going to need the mats to produce the carriers to win the war. It also increases the strategic value of stopping those mining operations and the little guy that has no desire to come out and PvP with the big boys might start doing some hit and runs thereby supplying some more PvP. And maybe, just maybe, it would give some incentive for folks to get active in low sec because they can only get certain mins in those regions. Literally a few minor tweaks could be made to give reasons to a lot of the things people have complained about for years.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 311	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:17:00 - [36] - Quote Tippia wrote: So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent. NO TIPPIA, YOU FOOL! DON'T YOU SEE?! DON'T YOU SEE?! THAT IDEA'S TOO RADICAL! ASKING MINERS TO... MINE?! IT'LL NEVER WORK! IT'LL NEVER WORK! WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED! THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING, I TELL YOU! THE DAYS OF GLORY ARE LONG PAST, AND WE SHALL REMEMBER CIVILIZATION ONLY IN MYTH AS WE SIT CHOKING ON THE ASHES OF OUR RUINED WORLD, HUDDLING AROUND CAMPFIRES TO KEEP OLD THE COLD AND THE YAWNING, ALL-CONSUMING DARKNESS! THE WORLD IS ENDING! Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor Animated Corporate Logos
coolzero The Replicators Northern Associates. 2	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:25:00 - [37] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: NO, drones should not drop minerals at all. bingo!!!!!! the winning answer here :D mining should be the mayor source of minerals bpo should have mats reduced to bring down the prices of ships/mods , imo it should be cheap to go out and blow up ships remove ice field as well and put them into hidden spawns you have to probe down.
Shivus Tao Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 76	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:32:00 - [38] - Quote Tippia wrote: Skizar wrote: You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies. So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent. As much as I also want this to be the outcome, it unfortunately will only mean more macro mining, higher prices, or both. Legit mining has no place in eve until mining itself gets rebalanced.
Sub Prime Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:48:00 - [39] - Quote I think the main issue here (not the side issue of minerals) is that doing drone hordes is now worse than before (when they were still worse than sanctums!). Personally, I'd prefer bounties as it's far far more convenient that the following: Salvage/transport drone alloys sell drone alloys = ISK, or or refine drone alloys sell minerals = ISK or build with minerals sell product (after transporting potentially) = ISK Bounties are so much easier than dealing with drone alloys, so everyone that wants to complaing about the mining profession do so on another thread instead of complaining about it on a thread about the following changes to hordes: They're harder to salvage There is less salvage = less ISK (whatever way you want to look at it) EDIT: UNTIL THEY REMOVE ALLOYS FROM DRONES ANYONE THAT DOES HORDES HAS A VALID POINT ABOUT THEM BEING NERFED
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:50:00 - [40] - Quote Shivus Tao wrote: Tippia wrote: Skizar wrote: You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies. So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent. As much as I also want this to be the outcome, it unfortunately will only mean more macro mining, higher prices, or both. Legit mining has no place in eve until mining itself gets rebalanced. Who yre you to tell me that i don't place in game where i am paying my game-time and in profession where i invested that much SP????? And about botts... only thing what can happen is shift of botts from drone regions back to mining... oh... yea... botters would need to buy new botts... but that's only change in botting... and in hulks you can gank them easy... and about prices... look at prices before drone regions are introduced... and... you see... all is working and with miners "only"...
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:55:00 - [41] - Quote Sub Prime wrote: I think the main issue here (not the side issue of minerals) is that doing drone hordes is now worse than before (when they were still worse than sanctums!). Personally, I'd prefer bounties as it's far far more convenient that the following: Salvage/transport drone alloys sell drone alloys = ISK, or or refine drone alloys sell minerals = ISK or build with minerals sell product (after transporting potentially) = ISK Bounties are so much easier than dealing with drone alloys, so everyone that wants to complaing about the mining profession do so on another thread instead of complaining about it on a thread about the following changes to hordes: They're harder to salvage There is less salvage = less ISK (whatever way you want to look at it) EDIT: UNTIL THEY REMOVE ALLOYS FROM DRONES ANYONE THAT DOES HORDES HAS A VALID POINT ABOUT THEM BEING NERFED We have all right in the world complaining about ppl that stole miners profession, miners isk, and miners SP... ppl with other professions, completely other SP, and ppl that shoot planes to get materials to build planes.
Elson Tamar Lion Investments 58	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:59:00 - [42] - Quote On a topical note i suggest that miners go on strike?
Drew Solaert University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:03:00 - [43] - Quote adding my +1 to Drones need the alloy drops removed.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 207	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:05:00 - [44] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: NO, drones should not drop minerals at all. lol
Daedalus Arcova Havoc Violence and Chaos 205	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:10:00 - [45] - Quote Vincent Gaines wrote: And you're a botting drone Russian. What's your point? Dronelands have killed mining, and cause massive inflation. Er, mineral deflation. But you're otherwise right. Dronelands have killed mining, and the OP is a botting drone Russian.
destiny2 Up2-NoGood Intrepid Crossing 14	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:13:00 - [46] - Quote You Can actually make more isk per hour running hordes then you can mineing in a Asteroid belt with a Hulk. I pull in 150 mill every hour running Hordes. to make that in a Hulk mineing. Plag,and omber would take me roughly 3 hours with ABC ore about 2 hours.
Theothermonkey2 Planet Express Incorporated Shadow of xXDEATHXx 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:13:00 - [47] - Quote Mara Tessidar wrote: "Wahhh they fixed a broken anomaly that gave out way more money than it was supposed to and I didn't check the announced changes at any point during the prior three weeks" At least, that's what I read when I saw the OP. Broken anomaly as far as i knew the drone horde give less isk in alloy that the bountry regions and they all got an small buff. Well about the alloy droping in the drone region would prefer it too be an isk bountry instead of alloy then it would make more profit for mines of all area high sec low sec and nul sec Also the nerf too the drone horde was not in the alloys drop justed too the time that an site can be run and salvaged. also never been in any other type of anomaly so are they all in wave or are you able too tank all
Elanor Vega Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:18:00 - [48] - Quote Miners need to get back their ore!!!! Minerals need to worth something once again!!! We need a space full of hulks once again!! If you give us whats ours that we wont even say a word about gankers, if we can earn with mining - they can kill us - but now all what we earn with mining is "loosing our dignity". If we have tens of millions SP in mining it have to worth something!!!!!! and ill leave this here (from other thread): Quote: Mining needs to be THE largest SOURCE (If not only) source of minerals in EVE. Think a little about it... - Is it normal to go to mine with shotgun to mine??? - Is it normal that shooting down planes give you more materials for making new planes then mining? (WOW we have here Perpetual motion here) - Is it normal that profession for which you must have PhD is giving you revenue of burger flipper proffesion? - Is it normal that profession for which you must have PhD give you place in society for whitch ppl are saying "they need to learn their place, its at the bottom.... where they belong." Well... all that "normal stuff" we have in EVE. Lets translate that on EVE: - You load your weapons on your combat ship and kill drones and rats to aquire minerals. - You aquire more minerals (much more) with shooting drones and rats then with mining. - Mining skill tree is larger then for some other, much more lucrative professions (now), and you the least revenue. - Mining skill tree is larger then for some other, much more lucrative professions (now), and ppl are saying to your face "miners need to learn their place, its at the bottom.... where they belong." You see something wrong here???
My Postman Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:22:00 - [49] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: NO, drones should not drop minerals at all. Exactly what this fine lady says.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 890	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:23:00 - [50] - Quote Tippia wrote: Skizar wrote: You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies. So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent. the horror! The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
Ancy Denaries Frontier Venture 46	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:23:00 - [51] - Quote Tippia wrote: So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent. This. SO much this.
Raven Ether Republic University Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:28:00 - [52] - Quote Tippia wrote: Skizar wrote: You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies. So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent. Tanya Powers wrote: NO, drones should not drop minerals at all. **** Drones and RMT Botters.
Sub Prime Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:29:00 - [53] - Quote There is an unbelievable amount of utter garbage in this thread, below is the truth: 1. Drone Horde alloys are worth less that Sanctum bounties. 2. Drone Hordes require savalging to get said alloys. 3. Depending on how you sell alloys, they might require a number of things done to them (refining/transportation/production) to realise the ISK value. 4. Drones Hordes can be completed in the same time as Sanctums. 5. Drones hit with multiple dmg types making them the hardest non WH anomolies to tank. And now what's happened: 6. The horde that allowed easier salvaging (i.e. while you were doing the horde) has been removed. 7. Hordes now provide even less ISK because the alloy drops have been reduced. 8. Until bounties or another method of gaining ISK are on place, drones still drop alloys and this nerf needs to be resolved.
Hemmo Paskiainen Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 32	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:29:00 - [54] - Quote destiny2 wrote: You Can actually make more isk per hour running hordes then you can mineing in a Asteroid belt with a Hulk. I pull in 150 mill every hour running Hordes. to make that in a Hulk mineing. Plag,and omber would take me roughly 3 hours with ABC ore about 2 hours. Plaq & omber solo mining = 12-14 mil per hour so it would be 10-13 hours ABC ore = 14 - 16m per hour Aslong as it is possible to chain certain drone alloy dropping NPC the min market is toasted, it unfair to say 60% of mins if comming from alloys, it more like this: trit: 40% mex: 50% mega: 60% zydrine: 70% morphite: 90% I really wonder why morphite is almost as cheap as megacyte while it requirs special ships and skill to mine and is much more rare in 0.0. (hint: chaining some 1 single 3 bs drone spwn = 12m per hour) (imagen u have 8) CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
Crucis Cassiopeiae EvE-COM 743	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:43:00 - [55] - Quote GIVE MINERS WHAT THEY TRAINED FOR!!!!! MINERALS TO MINERS!!!! I don't know why CCP plays with miners all the time... Its time to give them back something!!!
Xalia Tyr Necromimesis 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:43:00 - [56] - Quote Not to interrupt 2 pages of bitter miners and botters.... BUT I think the OP, and those who have actually commented on the original post, have perhaps missed a key point, that the ISK return from the drone region is directly linked to the mineral market, making drone ratting take longer and so produce less minerals/hour should reduce supply, increasing mineral prices. This in the long term should increase the isk/hour from hordes etc, but short-term you will be 'making' less, although ofc you don't have to sell your alloys immediately. I presume CCP had some economic reason for adding the drone regions as a mineral faucet, if the reasoning no longer stands perhaps they should go, not sure you can keep the drones themselves and change to bounties from a storyline perspective, might be better just to trash them entirely and replace with pirate NPCs.
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 211	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:55:00 - [57] - Quote Zagam wrote: Stop complaining about your bot being broken. It's not Rocket Surgery
Skydell Space Mermaids 6	Posted - 2011.11.30 12:00:00 - [58] - Quote Give Drone region Ice mat drops, create a bot war.
Princess Cellestia Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore 103	Posted - 2011.11.30 12:16:00 - [59] - Quote Where are mega and zyd mined in the largest quantities? Nullsec Who mines in Nullsec? Idiots and Lunatics. Nope, only thing this will do is raise prices on everything. And no, it won't boost mining. Not while a single stealth bomber or cloaky T3 can take out a deadspace tanked hulk in less than 10 seconds.
bornaa GRiD. 68	Posted - 2011.11.30 12:33:00 - [60] - Quote Ill just quote 2 persons from other threads: Keen Fallsword wrote: Who Cares ? Its just a game right ? Miners should be one of the most important part of this game. I want to see this game as whole experience not only part of if !! If you love to mine a have fun with it ? great !! Ccp forgoten about some players and they are paying for it... Right here , right now .. Coz some devs like soundwave etc.. Got WET DREAMS about holy molly umba power pew pew ! And now they may loose theirs jobs !! so manny misstakes... Dear ccp try not to forgot that games are not only about pew pew.. Yes mr soundwave you to. I can give you eg. like farmville!!! yes yes dear ccp farmville! imagine those millions of Dollars without pew pew :) Btw. Ccp here is a tip and its for free. If you want more female players.. You should know what to do. Mining !!! I know many female Miners! Some of them are moms etc but in most they are bored coz they cant get iskies !! Do something with it! Or hire me in advisory group :) (im game dev in rl and got some AAA titles under my belt. not joking :) Anyway... Im not miner but i love to watch at huge mining OPs ! Its freaking great ! Really ! 20 hulks just after dawn!!! Nothing can match this Im that one null-bear but without pve XD and i dont care about drones.. But drf and theirs bot-net cares.. For sure.. Fight for asteroids digging !!! Remove min drop !!! Severian Carnifex wrote: NO ******* way that you devalue mining more with more, more and more mineral faucets!!! Then when prices of minerals drop more you will wine again that "others earn more" If anyone can and must wine thats miners!!! Give miners what belong to them - their mining back!!! CCP... if you dont give a damn about mining and miners... and just don't want to help them... mining - the oldest thing in the game that you didn't give love from begining and only nerfing and nerfing it... then just kill mining and give miners their SP back so they can earn some isk in other professions...you player enough with peoples dignity... I have NO indy skills. BUT... I am for miners. they need to get their place in EVE back. Give miners their mining back!

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