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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:14:00 -
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Sub Prime wrote:Sheesh, will you miners ever listen. CCP maee drone alloys the only source of PVE income (excluding salvage and borked mag/rad sites) in the Drone Regions. People HAVE to make a living there, hence they're a bit peeved that the anomolies and drop amount have been nerfed. Considering the extra effort that players in the drone regions have to exert to realise the ISK, this has made them quite angry.
Now, back to you miners, if you want your mineral fix, fine, just come up with some suggestiong about alternatives for making ISK in these regions instead of just whining about how minerals should just be for miners.
I don't know about any other miners. But when I mine for 4-5 hours a day five days a week, I only make isk off the belt rats that come in and attack me. I too, have to take my ore and refine it, transport it and sell it on a flucuating market.
Why do you persist in thinking that miners make insta-ISK? Until I refine and sell, I make about 100,000 isk a day. Granted when I refine and sell, I make over 500mil, but then you and I are in the same boat, huh?
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |

Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
375
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:21:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Tippia wrote:ssgt slaughter wrote:Lets look at this Nerf Objectively. Ok. The Drone Regions have over time become the largest provider of minerals in the game, effectively killing off an entire profession (mining) and rendering the ships related to this profession increasingly pointless. Objectively, this is bad. It is no secret that they are looking at fixing this problem by drastically altering or completely removing alloys to. They are taking the long view on this and are trying to satisfy its customers by offering a wide variety of activities across a wide variety of space. The current set-up of the drone regions hinders both of those and thus needs to change. Whether the occupants of the drone regions like such a change is, objectively, almost irrelevant. Personally i think this argument is flawed. Lets have a look at Plush sales, the premier Rogue Drone compound: http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=11725 - 1.6 million units on the market at the moment. Now at Veldspar sales: http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=1230 - 346 million units on sale. That's less than 1 in 200 of Plush to Veld. Yes compounds are used extensively in the Rogue Drone lands, as well as used to sell finished good to other alliances in 0.0. But to kill off mining? Really? I seriously do not want CCP to remove compounds and add bounties, mining is such a **** boring JOB that i for one do not want to do. I think one of the better things that could be looked at though is the viability of changing some systems in other regions to have Rogue Drone rats. Not many systems, maybe a few in each different region. Make those systems a target system ala good tru sec systems, they could be rich in resources, less trouble to harvest, but be good afk cloaky systems. All high sec missioners get random rogue drone missions, and drones themselves are quite different Vs other rats, why not capitalise on that instead of pushing people forcibly into a mining barge?
Is something wrong with your brain housing group? What your basically saying is remove mining from the game. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |

Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
375
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:30:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:
mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec? running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.
With the new tech II mining gang links and the current mineral prices, I make right at 12mil an hour mining. And thats in Empire space. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:17:00 -
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You can't change the spawns on the drone horde! You will regret this! |

Aquila Draco
94
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:34:00 -
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Mortis vonShadow wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:
mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec? running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.
With the new tech II mining gang links and the current mineral prices, I make right at 12mil an hour mining. And thats in Empire space.
12mill... You are talking about the most ideal case you can get... |

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
42
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:39:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:
mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec? running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.
With the new tech II mining gang links and the current mineral prices, I make right at 12mil an hour mining. And thats in Empire space. 12mill... You are talking about the most ideal case you can get...
Remember, he makes that an hour, but when he refines at the end of the day he makes 500m... (I'll let you do the math on how many hours a day he mines to do that). |

DjmAc10
5 Inch Incorporated
4
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Posted - 2012.02.04 14:01:00 -
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Also a good forum thread about how the drone regions should or shouldn-¦t be changed:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=36195&p=4 |

Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.02.04 16:10:00 -
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Sub Prime wrote:Sheesh, will you miners ever listen. CCP maee drone alloys the only source of PVE income (excluding salvage and borked mag/rad sites) in the Drone Regions. People HAVE to make a living there, hence they're a bit peeved that the anomolies and drop amount have been nerfed. Considering the extra effort that players in the drone regions have to exert to realise the ISK, this has made them quite angry.
Now, back to you miners, if you want your mineral fix, fine, just come up with some suggestiong about alternatives for making ISK in these regions instead of just whining about how minerals should just be for miners.
So, when they added the drones to what are now the drone regions they took out every asteroid belt and made it so you can't manufacture or research anything anywhere in drone space? Want alternatives? If there's going to be such a dearth of minerals generally mineable only in 0.0 space because the NPC's in the area of 0.0 space you happen to inhabit don't crap them out by the ton anymore...
I'm *somewhat* hoping alloys do get deleted entirely, while its a nice bonus to get a drone mission every so often and thus have enough morphite to crank out a couple T2 bits and pieces if I want, IMO it is *way* too easy to be self-sufficient from killing NPCs (of all types, everywhere). On the other hand, it's nice to have a *small* source of high-end minerals that can't be locked up by any one bloc, so maybe leave the alloys in but at a drastically reduced drop rate- about equivalent to your total chances of a meta 3 or 4 drop off an equivalent non-drone target. I also like the thought of them dropping something else more than a bounty, as a couple have suggested maybe drones could be a bit of a clearinghouse for *all* the resource types- moon goo, refined PI materials, all the stuff that is moderately cornerable *could* drop from a drone, and the way to make the bigger drones "better" targets would be that they drop more items, rather than having a better list (so, low-end drones in empire missions would drop 0-3 items, drone region battleship drones *would* drop an alloy even if it turns out to just be the stupid "have some trit" one, 4 or 5 chances to drop goo/mats/whatever, and an assortment of drone-specific stuff or maybe they just happen to salvage really well). Basically, make them able to provide a decent income but not in a way that ties in to any one sector of the market and not one that just automatically shows up in your wallet (what with 0.0 being about making a fortune off ingenious use of available resources... or at least it should be).
Really, *all* 0.0 should probably follow the asteroid example- better profit by way of access to more abundant rare stuff, *not* because someone decided that risk = isk directly. Exotic resources and high-end modules flow into empre from the frontiers, isk flows out. You still get plenty rich, but it (hopefully) diversifies the interdependance of the different types of space rather than the current state of things. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.02.04 16:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Don't worry. They're thinking about nuking alloys completely and replace them with something else. Probably bounties and stuff like normal rats? Anyway the mount of minerals coming from lazer mining is probably pretty unexpected by CCP when they put in the drones. Maybe they wish they had stuck with normal rat rewards. |

Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2012.02.04 16:48:00 -
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imho switch rogue drones to bounties like other rats, make mining relavant again. |

Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2012.02.04 18:33:00 -
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I have sp in Lasers. I want to be able to use missiles like lasers. It's not fair all my sp in guns is wasted cuz I can't use missiles like lasers.
It's not fair that the rats in 0.0 are worth more than the ones i shoot in .6. My rat income is far lower than Joe's and that isn't fair he can use missiles and i can't use lasers like missiles to shoot the unfair rats in 0.6.
Drop the minerals out of the drones, and give bounties and related gear drops. Reshuffle the moons and drone regions to get some war going and all that. |

Messoroz
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
148
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Posted - 2012.02.04 18:54:00 -
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CCP is planning to remove minerals from drones and give bounties instead eventually, see the minutes and forum posts. |

DjmAc10
5 Inch Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:14:00 -
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Alice Katsuko wrote:Final Edit: It seems as though at least some of the miners want CCP to look at the way mining works. If so, then CCP should look at mining in detail, and not rush out a fix that does more harm than good. Thus: Short term - Increase the alloy drops from drone horde battleships so that the ISK per minute is equal to what it was before the drone horde "fix." That won't have any additional effect on the game mineral supply, but will simply return us to the situation before Crucible. No-one will win, and no-one will lose, and everyone can be equally unhappy, which will give you time to get things sorted. Long term - Look at all the data you have available and decide on a good long-term plan for both the drone regions and for mining, then dedicate the necessary resources to implement it.
This quote is from the russian eve-online part. And before you need to click my link a site before this ill just copy and paste my post from there to here.....tadaa:
And all the miners.....why do you complain? The mineral prices are rising and I guess we will be back around 5 Isk per Tritanium unit in several weeks. That-¦s the highest price since years, as far as I know.
So you guys want to tell me that you can-¦t make enough Isk and point on the drone region, that are broken since the beginning, to search for the bad witch to burn? Well let her burn and you will see what that-¦s gonna lead us to. And if you don-¦t like the Plex prices atm, then don-¦t come and tell me you don-¦t like to pay a billion for an Orca in the future.
I think the influence of drone alloy on the whole market is bigger than we all think. And if you remove the drops than there will be a shortage of tritanium and the other low-end stuff, because you can-¦t mine that ammount of low end that is demanded by the market to keep the prices at the level they are now with normal hiddens and ast. belts. Hell there isn-¦t even enough tritanium in one system to build a supercapital....but well ok that would lead to less SC builds....that-¦s a point Iam ok with, demand is too low since the patch anyways. ;)
So please CCP, first off: Start to repair the drone regions, and then let-¦s think about improvements and addaptions. But dont rush this Idea because some selfish miners are crying. Whatever you will do they keep on crying, that-¦s the way most miners are. =) Oh and on a side note, in our drone region are enough miners active and they earn a lot of ISK....ok maybe you need a little fleet of 3-5 men/woman, but you can pull out a lot since the hiddens where introduced. So stop complaining and get your stuff sorted. |
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