You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.

"Wahhh they fixed a broken anomaly that gave out way more money than it was supposed to and I didn't check the announced changes at any point during the prior three weeks"

At least, that's what I read when I saw the OP.

No ******* way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001%
Do not screw miners even more...
Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity...

and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop...

so... remove mineral drops from drones completely...

And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again.

and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop...

And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again.

NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.

And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again.

Well we can always account for a goon to make a comment that has no merit or point in this thread...

No I think they should drop more to off-set the now massively increased time to complete one (this include killing then salvaging and looting) compared to a Gurista for example where you kill the spawn loot the faction if there is one then warp off... a lot faster.

And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve.

Stop complaining about your bot being broken.

BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way.

Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating.

BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way.

Don't worry. They're thinking about nuking alloys completely and replace them with something else.

Wasn't there mention of a simple bounty-type system if I recall?

Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating.

BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way.

Someone reasonable.

Indeed CCP must take those alloys of the game completely for the sake of mining and people actually playing for this.

On the other hand from what I read there are a few options you guys wil be able to discuss with dev's on the dedicated thread, and those options should very well replace completely your average income at the level of every other nom/rat.

Those options go from bounty pass by specific loot (?) to specific salvage etc, so I think you guys will find some good compromise and mining will finally become something interesting to do at all levels.

I'd personally like the option of bounty+specific loot items/salvage.

Buff to miners!

Great work ! :D

(yeah i'm serious!)

yea... minerals to miners!!!
revive mining please...
remove mineral drops from drones!


and about some other drop:
A moon goo???
so that there isn't 100% monopoly of alliance leaders... so that a little man can get some of it...

What in gods name were you thinking when you made it so that it is wave based rather than bunker triggered? You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.

There are two options from here 1. Change it back cause its not even know compared to the faction anomalies or 2. increase the amount dropped buy the drones to compensate the increase time it takes to kill them now and then salvage and loot...

Otherwise liking Crucible!!!

Will

So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.

So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

As much as I also want this to be the outcome, it unfortunately will only mean more macro mining, higher prices, or both. Legit mining has no place in eve until mining itself gets rebalanced.

I think the main issue here (not the side issue of minerals) is that doing drone hordes is now worse than before (when they were still worse than sanctums!). Personally, I'd prefer bounties as it's far far more convenient that the following:

Salvage/transport drone alloys

sell drone alloys = ISK, or or refine drone alloys

sell minerals = ISK or build with minerals

sell product (after transporting potentially) = ISK

Bounties are so much easier than dealing with drone alloys, so everyone that wants to complaing about the mining profession do so on another thread instead of complaining about it on a thread about the following changes to hordes:

They're harder to salvage
There is less salvage = less ISK (whatever way you want to look at it)

EDIT: UNTIL THEY REMOVE ALLOYS FROM DRONES ANYONE THAT DOES HORDES HAS A VALID POINT ABOUT THEM BEING NERFED

NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.

And you're a botting drone Russian. What's your point?

Dronelands have killed mining, and cause massive inflation.

"Wahhh they fixed a broken anomaly that gave out way more money than it was supposed to and I didn't check the announced changes at any point during the prior three weeks"

At least, that's what I read when I saw the OP.

Mining needs to be THE largest SOURCE (If not only) source of minerals in EVE.

Think a little about it...
- Is it normal to go to mine with shotgun to mine???
- Is it normal that shooting down planes give you more materials for making new planes then mining? (WOW we have here Perpetual motion here)
- Is it normal that profession for which you must have PhD is giving you revenue of burger flipper proffesion?
- Is it normal that profession for which you must have PhD give you place in society for whitch ppl are saying "they need to learn their place, its at the bottom.... where they belong."

Well... all that "normal stuff" we have in EVE.

Lets translate that on EVE:

- You load your weapons on your combat ship and kill drones and rats to aquire minerals.
- You aquire more minerals (much more) with shooting drones and rats then with mining.
- Mining skill tree is larger then for some other, much more lucrative professions (now), and you the least revenue.
- Mining skill tree is larger then for some other, much more lucrative professions (now), and ppl are saying to your face "miners need to learn their place, its at the bottom.... where they belong."

You see something wrong here???

NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.

So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.

You Can actually make more isk per hour running hordes then you can mineing in a Asteroid belt with a Hulk. I pull in 150 mill every hour running Hordes. to make that in a Hulk mineing. Plag,and omber would take me roughly 3 hours with ABC ore about 2 hours.

Stop complaining about your bot being broken.

Who Cares ? Its just a game right ?
Miners should be one of the most important part of this game. I want to see this game as whole experience not only part of if !! If you love to mine a have fun with it ? great !!

Ccp forgoten about some players and they are paying for it... Right here , right now .. Coz some devs like soundwave etc.. Got WET DREAMS about holy molly umba power pew pew ! And now they may loose theirs jobs !! so manny misstakes...

Dear ccp try not to forgot that games are not only about pew pew.. Yes mr soundwave you to. I can give you eg. like farmville!!! yes yes dear ccp farmville! imagine those millions of Dollars without pew pew :)

Btw. Ccp here is a tip and its for free. If you want more female players.. You should know what to do. Mining !!! I know many female Miners! Some of them are moms etc but in most they are bored coz they cant get iskies !! Do something with it! Or hire me in advisory group :) (im game dev in rl and got some AAA titles under my belt. not joking :)

Anyway... Im not miner but i love to watch at huge mining OPs ! Its freaking great ! Really ! 20 hulks just after dawn!!! Nothing can match this

Im that one null-bear but without pve XD and i dont care about drones.. But drf and theirs bot-net cares.. For sure..

Fight for asteroids digging !!! Remove min drop !!!

NO ******* way that you devalue mining more with more, more and more mineral faucets!!!
Then when prices of minerals drop more you will wine again that "others earn more"
If anyone can and must wine thats miners!!!
Give miners what belong to them - their mining back!!!

CCP... if you dont give a damn about mining and miners... and just don't want to help them... mining - the oldest thing in the game that you didn't give love from begining and only nerfing and nerfing it... then just kill mining and give miners their SP back so they can earn some isk in other professions...you player enough with peoples dignity...

I love these post.
Everyone who comments has never lived in drone regions. As some one whose lived in insmother, fountain, branch, and now oasa, I have a lot of experience in both drone and bounty space. First, I want bounties, more than anything else in eve, omg drone region would be way way more valuable if they gave bounties. Second, anyone who screams nerf the drone region, has obviously never lived there. A sanctum is worth about 34 million isk. A horde is worth 32 mil based on jita values for the alloys. But that doesnt include the time it takes to loot and salvage everything. In that time some one in bounty space can keep making more money, in drone space we have to spend way more time gaining wealth than in bounty space. Not to mention have another 60 mil in salvaging ship, invest in refining skills. Did i mention the horde is the hardest anomoly to tank in the game?

Please, end the argument and give us bounties. It would be awesome. Miners would stop complaining, Drone region pilots would rejoyce, everyone would be happy. Oh, and un nerf the salvage table, drone salvage sucks.

ppl are not against your income...
ppl are against that you get your income by stealing income from other group of ppl that invested so much more in their profession and cant do anything else with that skill - only mine... and then CCP implement drone regions and give minerals to ppl that did not invest anything in it... and that ppl can with that same skills do many many things in game... pew pew skills are used for everything... mining only for mining... and you are stealing mining from miners too...
and what miners can do?
forget about 20-40millions SP invested in it???
well... we will not play that way...

we want that we miners and you ppl in drone regions earn isk with skills that we have...
and for that minerals must be removed from drones.

before this new patch an drone horde was worth 25-30mill at most as got reduce also you know the way we get 10/10 is an random drone will drop it .
Drone region doesn't have The tech moons, 10/10 worth what 400mill while other region get faction drop of module and implants worth alot more here also the value of the salvage is like half an million per an site and the only good t2 salvage is the cap console worth 18mill

Also the fact that 50% of people have post that it good that the region of another nerf.
two things
1. Not everyone in the drone region is an bot and it stupid too think that only players in that region would use an bot progamme. Yes i know i'm in an russian alliance no i'm not an bot and i do believe that CCp should take action against player which use the tactic
2. If the loss of income for an small corp in drone region may force them too leave for High sec/ Wh space as other area of the game you can make alot of isk doing incursion

So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!

When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...

I love these post.
Everyone who comments has never lived in drone regions. As some one whose lived in insmother, fountain, branch, and now oasa, I have a lot of experience in both drone and bounty space. First, I want bounties, more than anything else in eve, omg drone region would be way way more valuable if they gave bounties. Second, anyone who screams nerf the drone region, has obviously never lived there. A sanctum is worth about 34 million isk. A horde is worth 32 mil based on jita values for the alloys. But that doesnt include the time it takes to loot and salvage everything. In that time some one in bounty space can keep making more money, in drone space we have to spend way more time gaining wealth than in bounty space. Not to mention have another 60 mil in salvaging ship, invest in refining skills. Did i mention the horde is the hardest anomoly to tank in the game?

Please, end the argument and give us bounties. It would be awesome. Miners would stop complaining, Drone region pilots would rejoyce, everyone would be happy. Oh, and un nerf the salvage table, drone salvage sucks.

When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...

When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...

When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...

So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.

The thing you dont realize is that very few people like the fact that drones drop minerals. It requires more time and effort to be in drone space than it does anywhere else. Not only do we HAVE to salvage and collect ALL of the wrecks to get out payout for killing them but we also have to transport our alloys to have them refined. After all that our pay for sites are dependant upon market prices. So that sanctum that you run that gives you 35 million or whatever in bounties and all you have to do is kill them is mabe 25 million because the prices of minerals have bottomed out.

As it stands right now after last night of running a few horde sites, it took me nearly twice as long to complete the bunker site and I got 1/4 less drops in m3 than before the patch. If they would have increased time spent but increased payout that would be one thing but both kills the horde site and its not really even worth doing.

I'd do even more about mining.

I'd take away the ability to use station reprocess unless you have refining V and Scrap Metal 4
This would not fundamentally change the game for players but would give another little boost to people investing time training for skills about mining, would also increase players interaction or at least make you train dedicated skills for this purpose.

You do realize that we have to have people with these skills anyway to refine in Drone 0.0 right? If we didn't our sites would worth even less.

Miners will take care of it!!!

So take care of it now and increase your output to be greater than the drone regions...

Yes I fully understand this and the impact for you if those drones don't drop minerals any more, but you know there's always some but in the butter, where is the region having the most Mercoxit around ? oups, drones land

So your skills are not wasted, and mining will finally mean something for your miners. Overall you should be happy if those changes hit TQ.
First you'd get new salvage/loot/bpc's for new items and so be privileged by already living there and have the most important capacity of supply of all regions, then you'd keep your already very rich belts, the bad news is that now you guys need to mine them but I'm sure a lot of players would join you for this activity once they're sure their favourite activity gives them back for their bucks.

The main source for minerals should be mining.
This however got completely borked up due to the reprocessing of loot in general.

Specially the drone regions became a point of concern due to the large influx of alloys that got gathered.

The mineral gathering is slowly returning towards the miners, but CCP is still a long way from balancing the game.
Not only drone regions should be looked at but everything in general. Droprates of mods should decrease even more to lower the influx of loot minerals even more.
Increase the bounties or whatever to compensate a bit, but lower the loot drops.

Or make the minerals of reprocessing modules/ships of lower quality and only usefull if mixed with a certain percentage of pure minerals gathered from mining.

Also make mining a bit more work intensive then it is now. Not warp into belt, target and zing zing zing, drag and drop, zing zing zing etc.
Why not unmarked roids which need to be scanned first to see which ores they yield.

I would gladly return to the drone region I was in a few years back just to mine, build and generally do industry stuff.

That said, i am not about to pay high rent for a B.S. system or constellation. Oh well ... maybe some day we miners will be needed again

^^ Base point of the problem.

Minerals to miners!!!

Some such. I would personally like to see something more industry-oriented (let drones drop new materials for new fancy stuff), but then you'd have the problem of one region being pretty much the sole source of that industry, and that'sGǪ less than optimal.

Do you ppl understand how many peoples have all mining skills and must forget about them because drones???
There would not be shortage if anything!
Peoples would just blow the dust from their hulks and start mining!
And that's so many ppl!!!

And on other side that miners would stop doing other things, so they would not pump ISK, or LP, or other things in the economy so other ppl work would earn more. So all would balance itself!!!

There was no shortage of minerals before drone regions, and there would not be after drone regions!
Miners will take care of it!!!

You sir would be greatly mistaken. I have invested the skill points in mining, used them early in the game, and yes i live in drone regions and i can tell you this there is absolutely no reason what so ever for me to dust off a hulk and mine even if they switch drones to bounty.

It is an economy of scale thing, one account just can not be profitable mining get over it as it is true. In order for someone to mine profitably you need multiple accounts so you can form your own mining fleet, haul your own ore, and provide your own boosts, etc. I know here comes the argument join a corp work with them it isnt a solo game and your right, but even in doing that isk/hour per person it still isnt worth it for an individual to mine.

isk/hour per person it still isnt worth it for an individual to mine.

Uh... so now drones are like the rest of eve? *gasp*

Stop complaining about your bot being broken.

I think the only alliance that is suffering from any changes to drone anomalies is the one that couldn't pull off an invasion of another region if their enemies had their hand tied behind their backs and could only fly newbie ships.

Looking at you IRC.

Wish we could get one dev to post on one of these issues about the drone regions...

Maybe explaining some justification of this BIG nerf?

Lets look at this Nerf Objectively.

I think the only alliance that is suffering from any changes to drone anomalies is the one that couldn't pull off an invasion of another region if their enemies had their hand tied behind their backs and could only fly newbie ships.

Looking at you IRC.

Yea the new incarnation of Goons have a real good track record of invading... but not actually changing anything..
Didn't someone give you there space?
What was the last thing you invaded and took over sov? BoB? oh wait you clicked a button and won. Oh then what happen.
The fact is you guys havnt done anything to talk about mentioning except mabye increasing the price of gas by 500isk per/unit in the last year+.

That's the whole problem and that we want to fix!!!
Because of drone mineral drops "isk/hour per person it still isnt worth it for an individual to mine."

Thnx for supporting our cause.

Edit:
so that all know our cause:

I could ask you who you are to talk for all miners since i have the skills to do so (thus could be considered a miner) and dont believe as you do but that is neither here nor there.

Look my point is even IF they change drones to bounty rats (please) it STILL will not be worth it for an INDIVIDUAL to mine. Will the prices of minerals go up sure but the isk/hour per person just isnt going to be there. Say generically 60 mil an hour doing anoms (regardless of region) and what 20 mil an hour for mining rock, which would you pick?

Removing drone alloy drops is part of the buff you seek, but there has to be other buffs to mining to make it worth while for an individual other than just removing drone drops as that alone isnt going to do it. Until mining on one account can make the same isk as ratting on one account, the person that can do both would be daft to choose the lesser of the two.

Ok so have CCP change our alloys into bounties and modules, don't reduce our ability to make isk just because CCP made drone space drop alloys.

What's this? A happy ending?

This cannot stand.

Reading the thread every now and then seeing people point fingers here and there for what ever reason. Horde Sights got nerfed. Running a horde in 1 minute and 30 seconds is totall BS unless you were using a BOT.

Drone region info for the simple minded
1> Miners. yes we have them and they do fly a HULK
2> Combat Miners. Yes we have them in a TENGU
3> Minerals. We build or send to empire to sell or both

Short sweet simple. we have nightmares over the logistics of moving these things to make isk unlike those who are in Havens or sanctums who get the instant gratification of making more isk then those in Drone region area.

Now for those mining in empire....Not going to bother to say but there is a diffrence here and maybe you cannot see it but if you think about it you may realize it or hurt yourself

No ******* way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001%
Do not screw miners even more...
Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity...

and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop...

so... remove mineral drops from drones completely...

There is an unbelievable amount of utter garbage in this thread, below is the truth:

1. Drone Horde alloys are worth less that Sanctum bounties.
2. Drone Hordes require savalging to get said alloys.
3. Depending on how you sell alloys, they might require a number of things done to them (refining/transportation/production) to realise the ISK value.
4. Drones Hordes can be completed in the same time as Sanctums.
5. Drones hit with multiple dmg types making them the hardest non WH anomolies to tank.

And now what's happened:

6. The horde that allowed easier salvaging (i.e. while you were doing the horde) has been removed.
7. Hordes now provide even less ISK because the alloy drops have been reduced.
8. Until bounties or another method of gaining ISK are on place, drones still drop alloys and this nerf needs to be resolved.

trit price is nearly doubled since the drone were implemented.
Or so i heard, read. : source : EVE-radio.

I personally dont mind either way. If drones will get like the other rats, better for raters i guess, no work to get their isk, just kill get blink in wallet and be happy.

Mineral price will go higher " maybe" that means people will activate their exhumer alts, and prices will drop right back.

No "real change" apart making people in drone regions happier.

There is an unbelievable amount of utter garbage in this thread, below is the truth:

1. Drone Horde alloys are worth less that Sanctum bounties.
2. Drone Hordes require savalging to get said alloys.
3. Depending on how you sell alloys, they might require a number of things done to them (refining/transportation/production) to realise the ISK value.
4. Drones Hordes can be completed in the same time as Sanctums.
5. Drones hit with multiple dmg types making them the hardest non WH anomolies to tank.

And now what's happened:

6. The horde that allowed easier salvaging (i.e. while you were doing the horde) has been removed.
7. Hordes now provide even less ISK because the alloy drops have been reduced.
8. Until bounties or another method of gaining ISK are on place, drones still drop alloys and this nerf needs to be resolved.

Ok.

The Drone Regions have over time become the largest provider of minerals in the game, effectively killing off an entire profession (mining) and rendering the ships related to this profession increasingly pointless. Objectively, this is bad.

It is no secret that they are looking at fixing this problem by drastically altering or completely removing alloys to. They are taking the long view on this and are trying to satisfy its customers by offering a wide variety of activities across a wide variety of space. The current set-up of the drone regions hinders both of those and thus needs to change.

Whether the occupants of the drone regions like such a change is, objectively, almost irrelevant.

Demand has went up as well i'd be willing to wager since the drone regions were implemented. if it had been miners providing the minerals, and not the drone regions, prices would be even higher, actually making mining something worthwhile (albiet boring) to do.


TBH, just remove alloys from the drone regions, and give them bounties and random drops like everyone else. would go a long way towards fixing the flooded mineral market. I can't think of one GOOD argument against it.

Stuff

Strictly enforce no-botting policy in all of the drone regions, and market forces will fix #1, which in return will fix all the other issues you posted.

And yet drone horde spawn rates are greater than sanctums O.o

QQ some moar?

CCP should just start with removing the top 3 high end ores from alloys, morphite, mega and zydrine. Or maybe only Morphite to go on at first.

Technicaly Drones are mechanical sort of terminators. Machines. When destroyed they should drop machine parts and whatever they carry.

These machine parts could be bought with buy ordersby npc station and concord station. Sort of tags. A nice storyline to add with it is that concord uses them to build their new ships with. So u can sell the parts to buy odes. Another part to help this is seeding a small NPC concord space in the drone region. All eve corners have npc stations exept co

Ok.

The Drone Regions have over time become the largest provider of minerals in the game, effectively killing off an entire profession (mining) and rendering the ships related to this profession increasingly pointless. Objectively, this is bad.

It is no secret that they are looking at fixing this problem by drastically altering or completely removing alloys to. They are taking the long view on this and are trying to satisfy its customers by offering a wide variety of activities across a wide variety of space. The current set-up of the drone regions hinders both of those and thus needs to change.

Whether the occupants of the drone regions like such a change is, objectively, almost irrelevant.

That's fine by me - please ensure this applies to all regions though. You'd be a naive little nipper if you thought the problem of botting within Eve is restricted to the drone regions.

There are 2 issues here; Making ISK in Drone regions & Alloy drops from drones.

This thread is all about making ISK in Drone regions. I don't care if pink elephants drop from drones as long as they're worth ISK and are comparable to sanctums in other regions.

I personally agree that minerals should come from mining. I also think that CCP should make changes to mining to minimise a) AFK mining and b) botting. By making the vast majority of all minerals available solely through mining the prices will go up; the risk and attention to game should go up as well.

Mine as much as you want and make loads of ISK, but don't read a book or watch a movie while doing it.

Not naive, you're the one who is...

You do realize that if you kill botting in other regions the amount of ISK floating around would diminish, thereby making #1 worse.

Split mining in 2 groups: high sec mining and 0.0 mining. U cant idle much in 0.0 or else u will get toasted by a fast frig.

0.0 mining should be the only provider of #1 ore and maybe in some degree #2&3 ores. With #1 i mean morphite (u have special ship and skills needed for it) and #2&3 megacyte and zydrine.

0.0 Mining is alot more dangerous (need more attention cant idle like in high sec, rat spawns does pop your hulk very very fast (they get in warp rly slow)) so should be paying out alot more than in safe high sec.

if drones were to not drop mins at all, they will need some other reason to actually do drone sites/missions at all cosue they are pretty much worthless atm to go after as is.

Demand has went up as well i'd be willing to wager since the drone regions were implemented. if it had been miners providing the minerals, and not the drone regions, prices would be even higher, actually making mining something worthwhile (albiet boring) to do.


TBH, just remove alloys from the drone regions, and give them bounties and random drops like everyone else. would go a long way towards fixing the flooded mineral market. I can't think of one GOOD argument against it.

I support you and your comment!!!

Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating.

BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way.

Well... this all is about that.
Remove minerals from drones and give something else to drones that will have value that will not be influenced by mineral value.
That way all ppl are happy, miners and drone region guys.

should replace minerals with items that you can trade in for LPs from factions. will help reduce the isk faucet.

What in gods name were you thinking when you made it so that it is wave based rather than bunker triggered? You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.

There are two options from here 1. Change it back cause its not even know compared to the faction anomalies or 2. increase the amount dropped buy the drones to compensate the increase time it takes to kill them now and then salvage and loot...

Otherwise liking Crucible!!!

Will

I personally think mining is the most awful 'gameplay' you can willingly subject yourself to.

That said, miners really do need a break. Actual live miners, that is. As in, people who are at their keyboard, stoically weathering the crushing boredom as they harvest their minerals.

Yeah, those people could use a break.

mineral prices will rise. that's a good thing :)

And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again.

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if drones didnt drop minerals more people would mine. making everything go up in price which will make a small isk sink because taxes go up (lol)
mining becomes a profession people can tolerate because of the good income.
nullsec might have mining ops and such nullbears are scared to mine though
people might venture into lowsec to mine if scouted and clear

if drones didnt drop minerals more people would mine. making everything go up in price which will make a small isk sink because taxes go up (lol)
mining becomes a profession people can tolerate because of the good income.
nullsec might have mining ops and such nullbears are scared to mine though
people might venture into lowsec to mine if scouted and clear

I dont see a problem here...
Lets make mining profession again.

LOL @CCP

This is perfect you "bugfixed" the bunker horde real good.

What was never a problem, as you stated, for us has now become a problem. The new improved and "fixed" horde bugs out the way you claimed the old not broken one did. Several days now we have sat with our 1 horde in system bugged so it wont re spawn after it is completed and wont fix it self till after downtime. Yes i have filed a bug report.

Way to go CCP top notch work.

So take care of it now and increase your output to be greater than the drone regions...

Sheesh, will you miners ever listen. CCP maee drone alloys the only source of PVE income (excluding salvage and borked mag/rad sites) in the Drone Regions. People HAVE to make a living there, hence they're a bit peeved that the anomolies and drop amount have been nerfed. Considering the extra effort that players in the drone regions have to exert to realise the ISK, this has made them quite angry.

Now, back to you miners, if you want your mineral fix, fine, just come up with some suggestiong about alternatives for making ISK in these regions instead of just whining about how minerals should just be for miners.

Personally i think this argument is flawed.

Lets have a look at Plush sales, the premier Rogue Drone compound: http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=11725 - 1.6 million units on the market at the moment.

Now at Veldspar sales: http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=1230 - 346 million units on sale.

That's less than 1 in 200 of Plush to Veld.

Yes compounds are used extensively in the Rogue Drone lands, as well as used to sell finished good to other alliances in 0.0.

But to kill off mining? Really?

I seriously do not want CCP to remove compounds and add bounties, mining is such a **** boring JOB that i for one do not want to do.

I think one of the better things that could be looked at though is the viability of changing some systems in other regions to have Rogue Drone rats. Not many systems, maybe a few in each different region. Make those systems a target system ala good tru sec systems, they could be rich in resources, less trouble to harvest, but be good afk cloaky systems.

All high sec missioners get random rogue drone missions, and drones themselves are quite different Vs other rats, why not capitalise on that instead of pushing people forcibly into a mining barge?

mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec?
running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.

With the new tech II mining gang links and the current mineral prices, I make right at 12mil an hour mining. And thats in Empire space.

12mill... You are talking about the most ideal case you can get...

Sheesh, will you miners ever listen. CCP maee drone alloys the only source of PVE income (excluding salvage and borked mag/rad sites) in the Drone Regions. People HAVE to make a living there, hence they're a bit peeved that the anomolies and drop amount have been nerfed. Considering the extra effort that players in the drone regions have to exert to realise the ISK, this has made them quite angry.

Now, back to you miners, if you want your mineral fix, fine, just come up with some suggestiong about alternatives for making ISK in these regions instead of just whining about how minerals should just be for miners.

Don't worry. They're thinking about nuking alloys completely and replace them with something else.

Final Edit:

It seems as though at least some of the miners want CCP to look at the way mining works. If so, then CCP should look at mining in detail, and not rush out a fix that does more harm than good. Thus:

Short term - Increase the alloy drops from drone horde battleships so that the ISK per minute is equal to what it was before the drone horde "fix." That won't have any additional effect on the game mineral supply, but will simply return us to the situation before Crucible. No-one will win, and no-one will lose, and everyone can be equally unhappy, which will give you time to get things sorted.

Long term - Look at all the data you have available and decide on a good long-term plan for both the drone regions and for mining, then dedicate the necessary resources to implement it.