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Skizar Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:34:00 - [1] - Quote What in gods name were you thinking when you made it so that it is wave based rather than bunker triggered? You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies. There are two options from here 1. Change it back cause its not even know compared to the faction anomalies or 2. increase the amount dropped buy the drones to compensate the increase time it takes to kill them now and then salvage and loot... Otherwise liking Crucible!!! Will
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 289	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:36:00 - [2] - Quote NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1728	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:36:00 - [3] - Quote Skizar wrote: You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies. So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Mara Tessidar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 236	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:38:00 - [4] - Quote "Wahhh they fixed a broken anomaly that gave out way more money than it was supposed to and I didn't check the announced changes at any point during the prior three weeks" At least, that's what I read when I saw the OP. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus http://goo.gl/uX5vk
Zagam Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension 264	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:39:00 - [5] - Quote Uh... so now drones are like the rest of eve? gasp Stop complaining about your bot being broken.
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote No ***** way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001% Do not screw miners even more... Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity... and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop... so... remove mineral drops from drones completely...**
Skizar Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:42:00 - [7] - Quote Mara Tessidar wrote: "Wahhh they fixed a broken anomaly that gave out way more money than it was supposed to and I didn't check the announced changes at any point during the prior three weeks" At least, that's what I read when I saw the OP. Well we can always account for a goon to make a comment that has no merit or point in this thread... No I think they should drop more to off-set the now massively increased time to complete one (this include killing then salvaging and looting) compared to a Gurista for example where you kill the spawn loot the faction if there is one then warp off... a lot faster.
Skizar Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:43:00 - [8] - Quote Avila Cracko wrote: No ***** way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001% Do not screw miners even more... Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity... and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop... so... remove mineral drops from drones completely...** And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again.
Angus Thermopollye Duct Tape Mechanics NZAU Alliance 5	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:46:00 - [9] - Quote Basically, all I hear is that mining as a profession will maybe makes people who chose that profession some ISK again. I'm not seeing a problem.
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:46:00 - [10] - Quote Skizar wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: No ***** way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001% Do not screw miners even more... Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity... and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop... so... remove mineral drops from drones completely... And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again. khm... learn to read... Quote:** and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop... you know... "your" minerals are here for a lot shorter time then mining... mining was here from beginning... and EVE had enough minerals and without drone poop...
Angus Thermopollye Duct Tape Mechanics NZAU Alliance 5	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:47:00 - [11] - Quote Skizar wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: No ***** way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001% Do not screw miners even more... Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity... and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop... so... remove mineral drops from drones completely...** And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again. You do understand the concept of supply and demand right? They'll have to by the minerals.
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote miners invested millions and millions of SP and time in mining skills... and they cant do anything else with that skills but mine... and ppl that invested skills in shooting go shooting and leave minerals to the ppl that can do only that, mine, and that are living only from that minerals...
Jita Alt666 584	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:49:00 - [13] - Quote In 2010 I did a drone horde in under 1 minute 30 seconds. Knew they needed to be fixed then - glad they are now.
KFenn Percussive Diplomacy 104	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:51:00 - [14] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: NO, drones should not drop minerals at all. This. Skizar wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: No ***** way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001% Do not screw miners even more... Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity... and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop... so... remove mineral drops from drones completely...** And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again. You're an idiot. Don't you know how supply and demand works? If demand increases, then more people will mine. So what, mining now fills it's intended role and gunmining isn't that important. How dare the game work in a way that supports many gameplay styles!? Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director
Vincent Gaines 177	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:52:00 - [15] - Quote Skizar wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: "Wahhh they fixed a broken anomaly that gave out way more money than it was supposed to and I didn't check the announced changes at any point during the prior three weeks" At least, that's what I read when I saw the OP. Well we can always account for a goon to make a comment that has no merit or point in this thread... No I think they should drop more to off-set the now massively increased time to complete one (this include killing then salvaging and looting) compared to a Gurista for example where you kill the spawn loot the faction if there is one then warp off... a lot faster. And you're a botting drone Russian. What's your point? Dronelands have killed mining, and cause massive inflation.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1728	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote Skizar wrote: And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve. Sure they can. There's just no reason for them to, because the drone regions ruin the entire profession. Also, plenty of people will buy from him, no matter how little he suppliesGÇª in fact, even more people will buy from him if the supply drops, so your logic is a bitGÇª odd. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 191	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:58:00 - [17] - Quote Zagam wrote: Stop complaining about your bot being broken.
Sezdro Shiny Toy Guns STR8NGE BREW 1	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:23:00 - [18] - Quote Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating. BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1728	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:31:00 - [19] - Quote Sezdro wrote: BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way. Don't worry. They're thinking about nuking alloys completely and replace them with something else. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:45:00 - [20] - Quote Sezdro wrote: Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating. BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way. ppl are not against your income... ppl are against that you get your income by stealing income from other group of ppl that invested so much more in their profession and cant do anything else with that skill - only mine... and then CCP implement drone regions and give minerals to ppl that did not invest anything in it... and that ppl can with that same skills do many many things in game... pew pew skills are used for everything... mining only for mining... and you are stealing mining from miners too... and what miners can do? forget about 20-40millions SP invested in it??? well... we will not play that way... we want that we miners and you ppl in drone regions earn isk with skills that we have... and for that minerals must be removed from drones.
Ingvar Angst Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United 586	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:46:00 - [21] - Quote Tippia wrote: Sezdro wrote: BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way. Don't worry. They're thinking about nuking alloys completely and replace them with something else. Wasn't there mention of a simple bounty-type system if I recall? Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1728	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:55:00 - [22] - Quote Ingvar Angst wrote: Wasn't there mention of a simple bounty-type system if I recall? Some such. I would personally like to see something more industry-oriented (let drones drop new materials for new fancy stuff), but then you'd have the problem of one region being pretty much the sole source of that industry, and that'sGÇª less than optimal. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 289	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:01:00 - [23] - Quote Sezdro wrote: Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating. BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way. Someone reasonable. Indeed CCP must take those alloys of the game completely for the sake of mining and people actually playing for this. On the other hand from what I read there are a few options you guys wil be able to discuss with dev's on the dedicated thread, and those options should very well replace completely your average income at the level of every other nom/rat. Those options go from bounty pass by specific loot (?) to specific salvage etc, so I think you guys will find some good compromise and mining will finally become something interesting to do at all levels. I'd personally like the option of bounty+specific loot items/salvage.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 375	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:02:00 - [24] - Quote came in looking for... meh. left bored. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Solstice Project Cult of Personality 206	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:03:00 - [25] - Quote Buff to miners! Great work ! :D (yeah i'm serious!)
Severian Carnifex 80	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:04:00 - [26] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: Sezdro wrote: Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating. BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way. Someone reasonable. Indeed CCP must take those alloys of the game completely for the sake of mining and people actually playing for this. On the other hand from what I read there are a few options you guys wil be able to discuss with dev's on the dedicated thread, and those options should very well replace completely your average income at the level of every other nom/rat. Those options go from bounty pass by specific loot (?) to specific salvage etc, so I think you guys will find some good compromise and mining will finally become something interesting to do at all levels. I'd personally like the option of bounty+specific loot items/salvage. yea... minerals to miners!!! revive mining please... remove mineral drops from drones! and about some other drop: A moon goo??? so that there isn't 100% monopoly of alliance leaders... so that a little man can get some of it...
Rawls Canardly Phoenix Confederation 4	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:05:00 - [27] - Quote sounds more like a russian plexbot nerf to me
Nikola Aivoras Lionheart Mining and Manufacturing 6	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:07:00 - [28] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Buff to miners! Great work ! :D (yeah i'm serious!) Amen, brother!
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 289	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:08:00 - [29] - Quote Severian Carnifex wrote: Tanya Powers wrote: Sezdro wrote: Everyone keeps complaining about drone alloys, and thus minerals, coming out of the drone regions. Ok, maybe it is causing lower mineral prices for you guys in high-sec, I imagine that's irritating. BUT, when looking at all of the other 0.0 regions, you see that the drone regions have just been nerfed in terms of potential isk generation in comparison to any other 0.0 region that doesn't have drones. We don't get bounties, item drops worth anything(certainly no faction drops), exploration sites, and the salvage is crap. If you nerf hordes I think we should be compensated some other way. Someone reasonable. Indeed CCP must take those alloys of the game completely for the sake of mining and people actually playing for this. On the other hand from what I read there are a few options you guys wil be able to discuss with dev's on the dedicated thread, and those options should very well replace completely your average income at the level of every other nom/rat. Those options go from bounty pass by specific loot (?) to specific salvage etc, so I think you guys will find some good compromise and mining will finally become something interesting to do at all levels. I'd personally like the option of bounty+specific loot items/salvage. yea... minerals to miners!!! revive mining please... remove mineral drops from drones! and about some other drop: A moon goo??? so that there isn't 100% monopoly of alliance leaders... so that a little man can get some of it... Actually that's another thread, another economy aspect of the game that should be looked at. Alliances income should come from taxes and individual effort for the corp/alliance you want to be in, not those gazillions and how it stands right now.
myFORUMalt alts Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:45:00 - [30] - Quote I love these post. Everyone who comments has never lived in drone regions. As some one whose lived in insmother, fountain, branch, and now oasa, I have a lot of experience in both drone and bounty space. First, I want bounties, more than anything else in eve, omg drone region would be way way more valuable if they gave bounties. Second, anyone who screams nerf the drone region, has obviously never lived there. A sanctum is worth about 34 million isk. A horde is worth 32 mil based on jita values for the alloys. But that doesnt include the time it takes to loot and salvage everything. In that time some one in bounty space can keep making more money, in drone space we have to spend way more time gaining wealth than in bounty space. Not to mention have another 60 mil in salvaging ship, invest in refining skills. Did i mention the horde is the hardest anomoly to tank in the game? Please, end the argument and give us bounties. It would be awesome. Miners would stop complaining, Drone region pilots would rejoyce, everyone would be happy. Oh, and un nerf the salvage table, drone salvage sucks. Yes, I complain about things I don't like.

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