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Magnus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.25 13:36:00 - [91] It really is a pity that Raven is so easy to use. Running missions in EVE would be much more fun if the skill expensive ships like domi and typhoon did it better than a raven flown by a 2M sp character. I also find Raven to be pretty boring to fly. All you do is locka and fire, you dont need to take distance, speed, your or enemies transversal or anything else into account. I currently run missions in 0.0 with my PvP char in a Raven, and even with n00b skills for raven and cruise/torps, I do almost all missions faster than my empire mission running alt which has almost maxed out skills for the domi (including t2 heavies and interfacing to lvl5). And I use a setup for the domi which is faster than all the armor tanked domis you see out there. A pity that CCP cant balance the noob-mobile that is Raven.
Sonorra Baki	Posted - 2006.09.25 20:12:00 - [92] Year, have to agree with you magnus. I have a super-spec amarr char with 25mil sp, but it wasn't fecible to do anything but hunt sansha's, so I chose to train up an alt for missions. He has less than half of the SP and is diverse in abilities, but guess what... wham bam i own with him.
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.09.26 05:20:00 - [93] LOL appears the raven is the top notch ship YET again for running missions. real men use gun boats. infact I know i can run some missions faster in a absolution than someof you can in your wussy ravens of mega mission pwnage .
Magnus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:49:00 - [94] For some reason CCP has made the raven the easiest ship to fly, and the best ship for PvE (and in surprisingly many occasions for PvP as well). Its like CCP reasoned that the raven should be the exception to the rule that more SP is better. I hope CCP will balance this one day, even if it would produce a lot of screaming and cursing from the players that think that Raven should be the uber pwnmobile it is today.
Winter Solstice	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle For some reason CCP has made the raven the easiest ship to fly, and the best ship for PvE (and in surprisingly many occasions for PvP as well). Its like CCP reasoned that the raven should be the exception to the rule that more SP is better. I hope CCP will balance this one day, even if it would produce a lot of screaming and cursing from the players that think that Raven should be the uber pwnmobile it is today. How would you suggest the Raven be nerfed so that it's no longer the reputed "I win" ship?
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:47:00 - [96] Edited by: tiller on 26/09/2006 17:50:52 Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle For some reason CCP has made the raven the easiest ship to fly, and the best ship for PvE (and in surprisingly many occasions for PvP as well). Its like CCP reasoned that the raven should be the exception to the rule that more SP is better. I hope CCP will balance this one day, even if it would produce a lot of screaming and cursing from the players that think that Raven should be the uber pwnmobile it is today. I'm sorry to say mate, though you do have a point why not adapt rather than cry about it. I used to fly gallente bs but decided for pirating guys at gates a raven would be better. When trying missions it also turned out to be a nice ship for the job. A standard t2 raven aint that good... when you chuck isk at it things become much easier, and so they dam should. Spending 4bill on one ship I would expect it to perform like 40 ravens, hell it cost as much as them...you dont see me crying coz it's only maybe 3 times a normal ravens performance. edit: it's also risk vs reward. The danger of a CTD in a expensive ship mid mission is horrendous. I should be rewarded in fast LP for my bravery tbh Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Egil Kolsto	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:42:00 - [97] Quick question tiller, not sure if this would make you any more target by answering or not but roughly how much you have in usefull skillpoints? With times like that I pretty much assume you ignore drones something that I can't afford at a measly 5M usefull skillpoints. Very interesting post, goes to prove once and for all that looting is NOT time-efficient.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 22:16:00 - [98] Edited by: tiller on 09/11/2006 22:23:15 Hey I'm not that skilled tbh. 25m odd SP with my cruise missile skills maxed. My drone skills are terrible, and I just used t1 lights for killing frigs while killing the bigger stuff. The main reason the missions went so easy was the CNR, Gist X tank and crystal set. I started lvl4s with a t2 raven and no isk at all (after losing it all to a snigg camp) and worked up to that in a few weeks just by investing the isk made back in the ship. As the ship got better the mission time started falling fast as you felt more able to aggro more and more. In the end the ship was so crazy strong you could aggro pretty much anything on any mission. I remember even tanking the whole of mordus headhunters 2nd lvl after pulling the whole lot by accident. Once you got a ton of isk then sell your mission stuff and find something else to do... Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Rikkta	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:37:00 - [99] Let me offer a different path... Tiller's is amazing, but we can't all do that... Courier missions: you can do 30 more or less with little clicking, zero ammo use, and get 2 L4 storyline missions and LOTS of passive time to pay bills, surf, chat, do laundry, or whatever... They are so easy you can do 30 on TWO accounts by the time Tiller and his one account do the L4 kill missions... Let's face it, you can't run TWO L4 kill missions simultaneously in low sec with any degree of safety from either lag, crashes, or any of 100 other things... SO I get 4 story line missions every 60 missions, but that is two accounts running 30 missions in two hours-three. [find an agent with 3-4 l4 noKILL agents and take batches of missions]I'd say where, but then that is pretty much instanerf to this model... Thats about 30 000-60000 LP. That's also 4 plus four implants. OR That's storyline missions for mindlink t2 implants or even 200 000 000isk missile hardwirings... That's also millions of ISK in RAM and other gear... AND it has no stress and no ammo cost... SO you can do this DOUBLE per session AND you aren't glued to the screen so you can have a life . . . SO thats 120 missions a day for 60000 to 90000 LP, 8 plus 4 implants, etc . . . and zero losses on a daily basis... I've gotten 500000 ISK raven offers and one of my alts finally got the 10.0 caldari standing for the 2 run raven bpc out of doing so many storyline missions... All the isk pays for time cards, so I am using 2 accounts to tillers one, but my accounts are free as I'm sure his is. Also I have zero cost except some t2 transports or IT5s... SCENARIO TWO You still just farm infiltrated outpost and rogue drone harassment... Each is as tiller said...about 20 minutes to clear... You run 4-6 of them in high sec clustered... A L4 q -20 agent STILL gives the same mission with the same mineral payout of 11 mil ISK (about 1800 zydrine, 400 megacyte, 100 morphite, lots of isogen, etc etc) SO, you don't clear the mission. You move in with the caldari raven, sweep stuff, then just loot cans. For me a 2nd bs with 4 expanders and 4 nanos will clear the 1200-1300m3 of minerals... Use 6 tbeams in the high, remote repairer, drones... This lets you farm still an easy 50 000 000 isk a day in minerals in about 2 hours of work, with another hour of ease hauling. The hauling is refeshingly easy and the mission is just a click fest. The only annoying part is blowing up the drone structures. The nice thing about this is the zero risk, the known plottable reward. Minerals feed t2 and ship production, and then production is sold at the market markup, so you make even more ISK off your time involvement. You do get to cash in LP, but at about 35000 a week. If you have a long play session, then do the drones, move and do courier missions while you chat and or do other stuff... Again it isn't the post everyone was looking for, but it does let you make your billions of isk monthly, have a life, and risk little.
Dragon Lord	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:37:00 - [100] mission: angel extrav Ship: CNR Time: 55mins Not bad getting better couldnt mass aggro as last time i did that i had super lag so had to be careful pulling
Harotak	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:21:00 - [101] Originally by: tiller The main reason the missions went so easy was the CNR, Gist X tank and crystal set. If you don't mind running two accounts and are careful with the agro you can have a second ship (either a gunboat to pwn the cruisers as they close or another raven to double the missile spam) with cap power relays, cap rechargers, and large shield transporters to remote rep your tank that has the hardners. With decent skills a raven kitted out like that can feed another raven something like 170 shields a second 24/7. I can't wait to try this with a Rohk in Kali
Poldarn Joaq Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:19:00 - [102] quote=tiller]But then you wouldn't have the chance to get your +20 implants or faction issue Titan! I want a faction titan! and some fluffy dice to go with it. well at least id have the skills for the fluffy dice. --------------- Thats no moon!! ---------------
Asmodeos Gallente United Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:58:00 - [103] I have always run missions on my own or with others in a megathron (level 4) most of them i finish in under an hour on my own. it's not that hard when you have the skills. time taken:50 mins mission: Worlds collide ship used: megathron weapon type: 425mm tech2 and hvy missile launchers, drones LP gained: 12500 notes:I run missions at 3 quality 20 agents (through skills ~49)
Dragon Lord	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:08:00 - [104] Mission: Angel extrav Ship: CNR with 7.09s rof 541.9hp dmg per missile Time: 43mins Just killed named guy in last area plus drones and mission was complete, normally do bonus room but didnt have time today
Pralay Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:01:00 - [105] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle It really is a pity that Raven is so easy to use. Running missions in EVE would be much more fun ... I also find Raven to be pretty boring to fly. No one forces you to fly the Raven. It's your choice to prefer fast grind over fun. Quite whining or go home. Pralay
Dragon Lord	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:42:00 - [106] angel extrav: 39 mins Right hand of zazzmatazz: 5 mins
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:18:00 - [107] Looking VERY good m8.... Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
zurich93 XERCORE	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:59:00 - [108] Edited by: zurich93 on 20/11/2006 17:00:09 time taken: 150 minutes :P mission: Guristas extrav ship used:Raven weapon type:arb cruise LP farmed: 3.5k notes: a raven with, 6 arb cruise, heavy nos, tractor, gist b type XL gist b type amp 4 hardners 3 bcu II 2 pdu II. What would be my next best upgrade for speeding up missions i was thinking dg cruise launchers. Nope starts here actually :O -----Sig starts here------- <3 Kaemonn eep eep beep heep keep womble... YOU DO NOT POSESS THE POWER TO DISGUINISH MY SIG FROM MY POST MWHAHAHA
Egil Kolsto	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:04:00 - [109] 420k LP now tiller, then moving to Armachi or something for much better payoff on LP. Set up an alt for looting (main prupose is mining) and he cleared the Angel Extra, Pirate Invasion and later Infiltrated Outpost while I happily was a mission ahead. My 8-year old daughter also gets a kick out of "flying a ship" so she has now loot duty whenever she is able/willing to play. No amazing times yet, I shoot everything that is red, and my RoF is a piddly 8.09 atm. Even with a CNR and 7x Cruise IIs not enough to drive the times much below 1hr. Angel Extra 58 minutes!
zurich93 XERCORE	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:09:00 - [110] Edited by: zurich93 on 20/11/2006 17:09:53 Originally by: Egil Kolsto 420k LP now tiller, then moving to Armachi or something for much better payoff on LP. Set up an alt for looting (main prupose is mining) and he cleared the Angel Extra, Pirate Invasion and later Infiltrated Outpost while I happily was a mission ahead. My 8-year old daughter also gets a kick out of "flying a ship" so she has now loot duty whenever she is able/willing to play. No amazing times yet, I shoot everything that is red, and my RoF is a piddly 8.09 atm. Even with a CNR and 7x Cruise IIs not enough to drive the times much below 1hr. Angel Extra 58 minutes! So when your at work and she gets home from school you can get her to farm lp for you? great! I wonder if i could teach my cat.... Nope starts here actually :O -----Sig starts here------- <3 Kaemonn eep eep beep heep keep womble... YOU DO NOT POSESS THE POWER TO DISGUINISH MY SIG FROM MY POST MWHAHAHA
Egil Kolsto	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:20:00 - [111] Naah, she gets to fly my loot ship. Badger II with dual tractor and 3x nano for the win! As for upgrading mission speed = damage and RoF. Rapid Launch 5, Cruise Spec 5 -5% implant Warhead Upgrade 5, Cruise Missile 5, use of Tech 2 missiles (never tried myself) Technically, BS 5, missile Projection/bombardment doesn't hurt either. From a pure farmers point of view, take out only what is needed for the "win" and warp out. I like to blow up all red and then complete. Safe flying!
Genji Genji	Posted - 2006.11.24 04:13:00 - [112] This is a great thread.
Lockheed19	Posted - 2006.11.24 13:58:00 - [113] Edited by: Lockheed19 on 24/11/2006 13:58:44 Originally by: Egil Kolsto ...My 8-year old daughter also gets a kick out of "flying a ship" so she has now loot duty whenever she is able/willing to play. Lmao, that is cool. /me ponders using our 9 year old for loot collecting, the 7 year old for bringing beer to the PC desk and the 4 year old for local smack.
Lockheed19	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:00:00 - [114] Great idea for a thread Tiller, nice one. I've had a CNR and loved it. gave me huge speed boost with missioning and I've missioned from .0 up to .9. I sold the CNR but kept the faction mods for meh standard issue Raven. I'll post some times soon, but suffice to say they aren't that far off yours I believe mate.
Dragon Lord	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:51:00 - [115] Angel extrav lvl4: 38 minutes, released my t2 hammerheads as soon as i warped in popped some of the frigs as they mwd'd in Silence the informant: 28mins fastest ive done that one :) I use 7 dread cruise and 3 dread bcus Alos if anyone wants 5 dread cruise launchers there available for 215m a peice in jita atm, which is a very good price imo.
migwar Lawless Industries	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:26:00 - [116] tiller what you reccomend has the greatest pay off for mission runner? Gist XL or invest in a crystal set?
Egil Kolsto	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:14:00 - [117] Not to jump in and answer FOR tiller or anything, but for speed: Slap on a Gist B X-large or better, after that max your RoF. Unless you have pirate concerns a Gist X x-large and or crystal set has not been needed as far as I have seen yet. Personally I am leaving out my third BCS for a Damage control, even my 10k Hull has 58% resists should it ever get really close. As the Gist B is roughly 700m while the Gist X is 1B - 1.2B, I'd say you are much better off investing in higher end BCS for better damage bonuses. Full crystal set cost like 3B or so? I'd slap on an X and some pretty serious tank if I ever had that much stuck in my head. Only fly what you can afford to loose.... Now you are talking close to a 10B ship...
Pantheon Lea Farmer Boyz	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:10:00 - [118] I currently fly a Standard T2 fitted Raven with cruise launchers, XL Booster, SBA, and 4 hardners, in the lows i one BCU, Signal AMP and 3 PDS, all tech II I want to upgrade my mission boat, what should i go for. Gist B XL booster Gist X XL booster Named Axtive Hardners Raven Navy Issue Skills is almost maxed out in missiles and for the tank, i might need one or two of those silly long lvl 5 spec skills and i only have BS level 4 I can do all lvl 4 missions, some from range, but i want more speed, what should i go for ? Pantheon Lea
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:49:00 - [119] I just had an idea... either me or my corp mate.. Most likely me.. will have to get in an abaddon and put on pure gank setup.. then just help along and shorten mission time by about a factor of 10.... that would be l33t...
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.24 19:02:00 - [120] Edited by: Naran Darkmood on 24/11/2006 19:04:07 Here are some times form t2 Domi with drones+ rails: time taken: 55 min mission: Silence the informant ship used: t2 Domi weapon type: drones + 350 rails LP farmed: 9472 notes: none time taken: 23 min mission: infiltrated outpost ship used: t2 Domi weapon type: drones + 350 rails LP farmed: 9472 notes: none time taken: 68 min mission: Serpentis extra ship used: t2 Domi weapon type: drones + 350 rails LP farmed: 9472 notes: none time taken: 29 min mission: Rogue Drone Haressment ship used: t2 Domi weapon type: drones + 350 rails LP farmed: 9472 notes: none time taken: 82 min mission: Mordus headhunter ship used: t2 Domi weapon type: drones + 350 rails LP farmed: 9472 notes: none time taken: 57 min mission: Vengance (Serpentis) ship used: t2 Domi weapon type: drones + 350 rails LP farmed: 9472 notes: none time taken: 5 + 22 min mission: Rogue Slave traders I + II ship used: t2 Domi weapon type: drones + 350 rails LP farmed: ~14k notes: none As I said, this is without any faction mods, just a plain t2 armour, cap rechargers and drones as well as t1 named rails Originally by: Jiekon From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine

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