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Albar Gray
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Posted - 2003.11.13 12:44:00 -
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I have to say that I am really looking forward to a revised agent and mission system. And it will be nice to see the faction ratings have some meaning. However there are a couple of points I am unclear on.
Firstly, why is it actually necessary to reset a players existing ratings. Other than a need to prevent players auto picking up lvl 4 agents on dock if their ratings were over 8.00 I am not sure that this is necessary. And if that was the reason, could we not simply cap ratings at 6.00.
I had heard that the agents ability could alter the requirements for obtaining them, so I was wondering if this could be the case.
Secondly if the ratings are to be implemented properly, are the responses of non empire factions going to be set in line with the empires, or will we still be stuck with a two tier system.
At the moment I can do Amarr missions, see my Minmatar rating drop, and understand why they attack me when I go through their space. At present this does not apply to the pirate factions, if I do missions for them and have a +6.00 rating, they will still attack me when I go mining in their space.
I appreciate that this second point is a bit off subject for this forum, but it is intrinsic to the rating system. And I feel that it is time that such discrepancies were addressed.
I am glad that Papa Smurf took the time to tell us what was intended, but I just whish that we had more knowledge of how the system will or is intended to work, so we could understand what they are trying to achieve.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.11.13 14:02:00 -
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"Recent studies have indicated that there is a clear link between the consumption of Protein Delicacies and decreasing IQ. "
You Caldari owe us. All of us deserve at least a few million we need to buy int implants....
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Faramir
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Posted - 2003.11.13 17:07:00 -
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I currently have 2 lvl 3 Concord agents and will be losing them next patch. I was wondering if I could desigante my new corp of choice to have the lvl 3 agents? I know which corp i want my new lvl 3 agents at and would like them to be transfered there.
My choice would be Duvolle Labs. Is there any chance my request can be met?
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ShoGai Blade
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:55:00 -
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Papa Smurf On my Main character I ran into a situation that was a bit alarming. At Level 3 mission 309 with the same agent, no failures no declined misions, I received a letter of introduction to the same agent....... Hmmm what gives. No sooner do I get that letter then a letter of mission failure arrives for a mission I completed the night before!!!!! So not only hvae I not received a mission for my racial BP ( up to 330 now) but my agent is getting snippy with me, my rewards have dropeed from a high of 202k (with bonus) to an average of 51199 down to 46k isk. I can't even fuel my ship for 46k let alone enjoy some quafe with my sh** eerrr Protien Delacacie Dogs in space!...... OH my agent is efsty Bourd in Pucherie and she is really hot. Perhaps she is getting Jealous? PS thanks for your hard work
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Othnark
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Posted - 2003.11.16 05:21:00 -
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What about playing faction games? IE blowing up an Amar faction convoy in minmitar space? I recently did this and saw no boost to my minmitar faction although i took down about 1 faction point worth of my Amarr standing. I havent had achance to test this on Chaos, anybody know if this works as it should?
-Othnark
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2003.11.17 16:47:00 -
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I have been going the concord route with regards to agents, and now have a good handfull of lvl2 and 3's in Concord.
My suggestion is to convert all current Concord agents to DED agents, as DED is a Concord corp, but has a normal corp rating, unlike the sec status/corp status that is percieved a problem with Concord agents
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.11.19 12:03:00 -
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Hmmm last time i checked this was game was said to be a roleplaying game......right? So people who chose to bribe, kill NPCs, donated ect... chose that certain path for their character. So I don't really see how it would shaft them.
Because standings are an aggregate of all of those activities.
Someone who just killed Angel pirates since day 1 would have an excellent Minmatar faction standing. Why should that get wiped out because they never did an agent mission?
All standings being cut in half hurts - but as PapaSmurf said, standings mean nothing atm except as a way to get referrals to higher agents.
If I have to lose 50% of all my standings, in exchange for a *working* faction system that means something - then it's cheap at the price.
As long as my Level 3 agents will still deal with me when I've got a faction standing of 2 or something.
And PapaSmurf has said that that will be the case - therefore there's no real issue with this.
Apart from some whining from people who have attached value to some meaningless numbers.
With the faction system reworked, not only will it be easier to get good standing (which is *good* for the newer players), but that standing will start to mean something more than just a fastrack to BPs and implants.
Try looking at the wider game plan.
Cheers,
TOM
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Ciber Wulf
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Posted - 2003.11.22 14:58:00 -
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Ciber Wulf:
Last Friday (7th of Nov) there was supposed to be a week's code freeze, meaning the patch would be coming out 14th of Nov or later. The code freeze had to be delayed due to some major changes to the standing system that were decided on the 6th. Yup, we can be boneheads ;). Anyhow, the code freeze is now expected to be the 14th of Nov, making the patch likely to be shipping in the vicinity of the 21st of Nov. For those of you who need a more concrete answer than that, I'd suggest waiting for an official announcement.
Thanks for the reply Papa Smurf.
So, as we stand (22nd Nov), there may be something new happening pretty soon?
In which case.. woohoo \o/ . We've just had a new 'unofficial' patch, which is great btw :) and new mission content coming very soon.
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Darth Rachel
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Posted - 2003.11.24 06:05:00 -
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Will Sisters of eve drop implants and/or bp in the new patch?
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ClawHammer III
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Posted - 2003.11.27 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: ClawHammer III on 27/11/2003 03:24:38
Well, I like the idea of research agents. It keeps Tech 1 from becoming obsolete overnight and provides a way for people who do agent missions with a chance to make some real money and become a more active part in the community by producing or trading Tech2 related stuff and services for other people.
The main problem I have with agent missions is that they are boring. They are mostly lame courier missions that turn you into an underpaid FedEx guy. Instead having agents issue a bunch of boring and thoughtless missions they should issue more challenging missions like finding hidden pirate spawns or rare items or find someone shipping contrabandą that kind of thing. Of course those missions would be more time consuming but they would be much more interesting and rewarding.
Players should be given a choice to do a hard mission that would score them a lot of standing points and have a higher chance of giving you a major reward or do more mundane missions that are easier to complete but give less standings and a smaller chance for a major reward.
It would also be really cool if they added really hard missions that could be issued to whole gangs... like taking out other players. 
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Tellora
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Posted - 2003.11.29 21:55:00 -
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I like that, but - as always - it's gotta be seen implemented to really judge it
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2003.11.30 22:56:00 -
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there was a list posted about which corps the reserach agents work for.
i noticed that this list is lacking the corps that actually sell blueprints in the game, and should thus be the "researching" corps...
please fix this ...error
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Mars Volta
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Posted - 2003.12.03 18:56:00 -
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Adequate faction standing ? what exactly does taht mean? concord and ded already have some of the most useless agents ie no inplant missions, so why should people who have done missions for these agents be punished for exploring the less rewarding avenues of agent missions-sounds ass backwars to me.
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Caldfyr Reynolds
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Posted - 2003.12.04 11:26:00 -
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j0sephine,
You might want to change that sig of yours! Its in bad taste....
I wonder what importance of the value of the agent, +17 for example, will have on the new system?
Do you ever know where it comes from? I thought it was very cool, but then I'm a huge fan of Cowboy Bebop.
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Caldfyr Reynolds
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Posted - 2003.12.04 11:30:00 -
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I might have missed it somewhere, but since there are a finite amount of tech 2 items and the blueprints aren't going to be coming in droves, will you run out of blueprints before all the people building up research points are rewarded?
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Caldfyr Reynolds
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Posted - 2003.12.04 12:45:00 -
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This article ( http://www.eve-i.com/article.php?id=51 ) has no mention of Sisters of Eve having R&D agents, but this other post ( http://www.eve-i.com/fullnews.php?id=891 ) shows them as having 2 R&D agents. Which is correct? I hopped onto chaos and sisters don't seem to have any research agents.
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burntout
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Posted - 2003.12.09 05:44:00 -
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2 months later....
What patch?
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GardenerOfEden
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Posted - 2003.12.10 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: GardenerOfEden on 10/12/2003 04:11:58
Edited by: GardenerOfEden on 10/12/2003 04:08:51
Greater variety of agent missions, types of missions being more consistent with issuing corp, more expansive mission reward system, etc are all positive changes  .
The only change I have a problem with conceptually is the unrestricted decay of standings on the basis that is is unrealistic. By way of illustration the "standings" of, say, Adolf [Hit1er] and Robin Hood have not really decayed long after their deaths. Similarly within EVE you don't encounter Lord Zap upon his return and think just another 0.0 security status character  .
I prefer the "band" system as being more realistic. This system is used in the existing system with not being able to exceed 2x agent level e.g. it doesn't matter how many lvl1 missions you complete you are not going to become a living legend because delivering livestock etc is not the stuff of legends.
Decay by itself should not cause a character to fall into the band below i.e. 10 should never decay (legends are actually embellished with time), 9.9 to 8.1 should decay to 8.0 only, 7.9 to 6.1 should decay to 6.0 only, 5.9 to 4.1 should decay to 4.0 only, 3.9 to 2.1 should decay to 2.0 only, and only 1.9- should decay to 0.0
This would also help players who take a break from EVE not having to start-over to the same extent. Logging on per se is not a measure of being able to play eg. only have time to deal with training or don't have high speed flat rate internet while on holiday. Don't forget that if this patch hits just before Xmas that is equivalent in the southern hemisphere to July in US, August in Europe as regards holidays and there will be no time to build up standings (with existing 2xlvl cap and such standings being halved by the patch) in advance of going on Christmas holidays.
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Alouicious
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Posted - 2003.12.11 18:32:00 -
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I am not sure about the Standing decay and how I feel about it, if its a very slow decay I suppose that wouldnt be so bad. But who really wants to do nothing but run missions? I wouldnt want my standing to decay any noticeable amount if for a month I couldnt log on or wanted to do something besides be my factions little pack mule.
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sturmi
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Posted - 2003.12.12 08:20:00 -
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i dont understand the meaning of agents(without implants) 
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.12.13 04:06:00 -
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Oh hey no problem
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Dividing everybody's standings in half is a fairly even-handed way of doing this. Sure, it hurts, but it'll have to be done.
Yes very even handed, it takes me as long to get back to 6.95 as it takes someone to get back to his standing of 2.0 right?
Right?
Those that have invested LOTS of time into gaining faction standings (personally I am 6+ for Minmatar, Gallente and Amarr) are going to see 50% of them wiped out because of some players bribing?
I bribed my Caldari agent to go from 0 to 0.52 Caldari standing, by all means remove that if bribing is bad.
I guess seeing my hard work being thrown out is just yet another reason to enter hibernation again 
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.12.14 07:20:00 -
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Bribing has nothing to do with it I believe .. the major part is that for the first week or two of release you could spend a day or two killing pirates and have 10.0 with all the empires (sufficient to use any agent they ever add instantly)
That and the old ratings didn't mean much and now they will
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.14 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/12/2003 21:15:09
"Yes very even handed, it takes me as long to get back to 6.95 as it takes someone to get back to his standing of 2.0 right?
Right?"
Right. The higher your current standing, the higher the gain you get from each mission. So it will take you the same time to get back to your higher original value, because you will be starting from higher point...
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Lioness
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Posted - 2003.12.17 01:43:00 -
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Dumb question, but how do you find out what agent corporations are "more military" so you can get more npc pirate kill missions? |
Tirren
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Posted - 2003.12.17 06:55:00 -
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The Jovian Empire and Concord factions have closed the services of their agents, for now. The people who finished loads of missions for either of these factions will recieve adequate standing with another faction.
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Patch is in, and I cant' even use my Level 2 CONCORD agent which I was close to gaining my first 3rd level agent. I lose half my fac/corp standing with CONCORD and receive no matching standing of another faction/corp. I worked my butt off, not to mention collected lots of loot which I have to haul to another base to start missions all over, and to top it off my ship doesn't exceed 10% of the previous speed I was able to get with a MWD, it is taking more than forever to move between stations.
"I can only take so much before I'll blow up my own ship. Hey isn't that what insurance is for?"
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Finderne
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:05:00 -
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Ppl (Mars, Tirren) complaining about Concord agents should be a bit more honest about why you were sinking time into working for a faction that you knew didn't give implants, and wasn't going to be any better after the patch.
You were doing that because Concord faction missions drag up lots of other factions, far more than any other corporation does. You did it to set yourself up for the Castor system.
That said, CCP did promise a faction conversion so they should follow through with it. Right after they get to the 4000 other things on the Soon(TM) list. 
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:38:00 -
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Dumb question, but how do you find out what agent corporations are "more military" so you can get more npc pirate kill missions?
Any corporation which has a "Security" or "Internal Security" division, those agents will probably give mostly kill missions. Also, working for any empire's main military branch (Federation Navy, Ammatar Fleet, etc.) provided you're not working for the Supplies section or some such.
Basically, a little logical thinking helps
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Majin Buu
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:44:00 -
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im currently doing missions for khanid royal navy. The agent im working for is in the internal security division, so he gives out alot of NPC kill missions.
The thing i want to know is how will i be able to get the research agents in the khanid innovations corp?. Ive looked through the whole corp and the lowest agent is a lvl 2 agent with a -1 rating. I asked a polaris member about this and was told that i need to increase my standings towards there allies, therfore increasing my standings towards khanid innovations so i started working for khanid royal navy. As i got more missions done i noticed my standings towards the navy corp was increasing, and towards khanid kingdom, but when i have looked at khanid innovations my standings towards them is still 0.00, so can a DEV/GM plz reply to this explaining how i can go about increasing my standings towards khanid innovations without actually working for there agents?
Alos a little bit more info..Khanid innovations corp was added during the tech 2 patch, They have only 1 station in khanid prime and from there info they have no allies or enemys...
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:40:00 -
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I think this thread justifies unstickying now that the patch is out.
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Tirren
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:20:00 -
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Ppl (Mars, Tirren) complaining about Concord agents should be a bit more honest about why you were sinking time into working for a faction that you knew didn't give implants, and wasn't going to be any better after the patch.
Actually I was doing CONCORD because I thought people were lying about what corps gave the Perception Implant, as well it brings my sec status up in CONCORD and I wanted to be set apart from the "pirates". I also did CONCORD missions because I was trying to raise my Amarr stat up enough to get a level 1 agent so that I could work to get the Amarr implant.
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You were doing that because Concord faction missions drag up lots of other factions, far more than any other corporation does. You did it to set yourself up for the Castor system.
I really didn't know what to expect from the CASTOR update, didn't even know about it until 2 days before but even then I was too busy playing to read the forums. In fact I do not understand why they cut everyones ratings in half seems sorta harsh becuase it took TONS of time for me to get to 6.0 in the corps I had and now I have to do it all over again.
"I can only take so much before I'll blow up my own ship. Hey isn't that what insurance is for?"
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