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Kalle Port
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Posted - 2003.10.28 09:06:00 -
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Is the 'logging in' character based or account based?
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Symeonis Porphory
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Posted - 2003.10.28 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Symeonis Porphory on 28/10/2003 11:05:34
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- Standings will slowly decay. The various factions in the game do not like you forever if you forget about them. What this means basically is that you will need to do things for your faction every now and then to keep your standing up. By far the best way to raise standing is through agent missions.
Hmmm... This sounds as if it becomes rather hard to maintain your standings unless you want to do only agent missions. Leave alone the possibility of a 'diplomatic' character with a lot of good relations.
Would it be an idea to have the standings slowly decay to say, half of the best it once was (modified for regular standing decreases). This means that if you turn up after a year or so, they still remember you favourably... And that sounds reasonable; if I meet someone again that I've known long ago, I have nver completely forgotten about them.
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- Level 4-5 missions. They will be geared towards corporations more than individuals, and will have much better rewards.
Great! I was hoping something like this would come. Sofar, agent missions were a bit too much solo thingies.
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Stradivarious Hawke
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:20:00 -
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Exactly.
I have at least 2.0 with almost all the "good" factions.
What's gonna happen now that concord will be dormant ?
Do I have to get agents within all those factions to keep my good standings ?
What about those factions that have no agents ?
This will take a lot of time 
Missions to keep the standing with each agent,corporation, faction .. OUCH !
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.10.28 20:58:00 -
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conflict-of-interest bugs must absolutely be eradicated before this goes in.
I don't wanna know what happens when the next mission i must succeed in to keep faction high for, say, Minmatar Republic Fleet, results in running slaves on the black market. Or some other combination with opposing faction rating changes... my Fleet contacts *still* all offer Slaves for sale as their "black market" items. This has been mentioned quite often before, and Papa Smurf had responded to my posts about it (large posting he made a while back when he got back from vacation). Small Arms, or something, i could see, as a quick fix...
basically there needs to be a *lot* more sanity checking on who's offering to do what, such as the "please kill my friends" example about the Thukkers posted above.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Jim Roynar
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Posted - 2003.10.29 20:32:00 -
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Well. Progress is great. I am so happy that CCP constantly rewards the long term player by making changes so that the newer people do not stand much of a chance on getting in on the great rewards.
Thanks CCP.
Boneheads
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Ciber Wulf
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Posted - 2003.11.01 08:36:00 -
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Anyone know of even an approximate ETA for these changes to the agent system? I have been a mission player mostly since getting this game and I like to plan ahead.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.02 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 02/11/2003 20:07:00
With "the next big patch."
Assuming the next patch is going to be "big" then it should be sometime within the next year.
8 days ago the estimated patch day was "about 8 days from now." Still no word, so I'm guessing it's still at least "8 days from now."
See how that works. As long as they use relative references to time, they're always right? "The patch is tommorow... always tommorow."
Also, if you want to plan ahead, I would suggest don't do any more missions at all. The patch is probably going to screw faction standings, and annihilate any "plans" you had worked out anyway. Don't waste your time just to have them bulldozer over it in the blink of an eye.
Veruna Caseti
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.03 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 03/11/2003 02:06:12
"Also, if you want to plan ahead, I would suggest don't do any more missions at all. The patch is probably going to screw faction standings, and annihilate any "plans" you had worked out anyway. Don't waste your time just to have them bulldozer over it in the blink of an eye."
Papa Smurf, in the agents thread in Patch Review section:
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Yes, obviously the old standings don't work with the new system.
I was going to recalculate the standings database from scratch, but after quite a bit of work on it I found that it was impossible. We do not have enough data to do that properly.
After quite a bit of thought on the subject, it actually seems to me that simply halving the NPC->non-NPC standings of everybody when porting from old to new gives a nice, safe, and pretty well balanced port without messing anybody up in some unfair manner. The only hack I'd need to do then would be to ensure that you can talk to all of your agents after the patch, by ensuring that you have a high enough agent->char standing in all cases.
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Goldar Hektu
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Posted - 2003.11.03 06:48:00 -
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I was going to recalculate the standings database from scratch, but after quite a bit of work on it I found that it was impossible. We do not have enough data to do that properly.
After quite a bit of thought on the subject, it actually seems to me that simply halving the NPC->non-NPC standings of everybody when porting from old to new gives a nice, safe, and pretty well balanced port without messing anybody up in some unfair manner.
That's correct. Instead, it messes everybody up in a fair manner. How can porting the data be impossible? CCP knows which agents I have, how many mission I've completed and failed, and my standings with the agent, corp, and faction. What else could they need to know?
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.11.04 07:11:00 -
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@ Zrakor
Do you know of any changes that are being made/have been made to the trade market over the past few weeks? Specifically in the form of nerfing them. Particularly in the venal region.
Buy prices have been lowered, sell prices for robotics there have been raised to empire space prices. All amounts have been reduced.
Didn't know if this had anything to do with the dynamic market they are going to make or what, again, thank you for your time.
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Copernicus
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Posted - 2003.11.05 22:00:00 -
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I'm curious about the new "research agent" deal with Tech II coming up.
Are "research agents" totally separate from regular agents somehow?
I'm a researcher character (level 5's) but I've never done an agent mission. I'd prefer the new "hi-tech" stuff come from actual research type work. I'd like to think I get some benefit for choosing this line of work.
How about it anyone have any idea what it'll be like?
Should I start doing these very boring agent missions now? Or will Tech II Research Agents be totally different and based on your research level? (the way it should be).
Thanks,
Copernicus
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Xhalen Toth
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Posted - 2003.11.10 04:11:00 -
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Out of curiousity, with the new implementation of rewards, is it going to be possible to offer a ship as a reward for a mission? Not a blueprint, but an actual fully funtional ship.
"A shadowy ichor is beginning to extend its tendrils into society." |
Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.11.11 09:43:00 -
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Ciber Wulf:
Last Friday (7th of Nov) there was supposed to be a week's code freeze, meaning the patch would be coming out 14th of Nov or later. The code freeze had to be delayed due to some major changes to the standing system that were decided on the 6th. Yup, we can be boneheads ;). Anyhow, the code freeze is now expected to be the 14th of Nov, making the patch likely to be shipping in the vicinity of the 21st of Nov. For those of you who need a more concrete answer than that, I'd suggest waiting for an official announcement.
Goldar: I can recalculate the standings based on missions. This would of course be fine according to you, but it would shaft everybody who has ever killed NPCs, bribed or donated. It would not take into account standing decay. It would not take into account that some missions are dead simple to complete, and some players only complete those missions. Additionaly, the proceedure required to do so would require a 24 hour+ downtime while our database jumped through hoops scanning through some of the most enormous tables it has.
Standings are virtually unused in EVE today, so what you're losing is a currency that had almost no value other than looking cool in your character sheet. This is changing, and that means devaluating the old standing coin so that the new standing coin can have some meaning.
Dividing everybody's standings in half is a fairly even-handed way of doing this. Sure, it hurts, but it'll have to be done.
Copernicus: The research agents are a service for standard agents. There may be changes in the future, but as it stands, you will require to work on your standings to get research agents, and there is no other good way to gain positive standings than via missions. So yes, you'll have to suffer the missions. There may be more ways in the future, some of which you may like, some of which you may dislike, but this is the method that's coming in now. Using research agents will however take your skills into account so being a researcher is rewarded. Effectively, you are the one doing the research. The agent is simply managing your research crew. There may be changes in the future, but seeing that skills are really a free ride, there will probably never be a skills-only solution.
Xhalen: It is possible to give a fully functioning ship as a reward in the new system. With modules, a custom name, a full cargo hold, etc. Anything the server can do can be done in a mission or an agent service now, which is a monumental step from where we were.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.11.11 10:54:00 -
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Dividing everybody's standings in half is a fairly even-handed way of doing this. Sure, it hurts, but it'll have to be done.
Except I need a minimum standing rating to keep the agents that I have now. Right now, agents dont care if your standings fall, they still give you jobs. And my standings are pretty funky across the board, alot due to buying slaves which seem make the factions standings of all factions spasm.
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.11.11 11:37:00 -
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The divide by two will come with making sure nobody loses their current agents. We'll be dishing out agent->char standings where necessary to patch that up.
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Alviarin
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Posted - 2003.11.11 13:08:00 -
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uhm, dividing a standing of 6 by two results in standing of 3...= 2nd lvl agents
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.11 13:26:00 -
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"uhm, dividing a standing of 6 by two results in standing of 3...= 2nd lvl agents"
... Agents have varying requirements, so some low quality lvl.3 agents will be willing to work fo you as well.
Plus, you are not really losing anything this way -- under the current system you're only given access to few selected lvl.3 agents, the ones you got through the referrals... and those few will still work for you under the new system, due to their personal standing towards you.
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capt
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Posted - 2003.11.11 14:42:00 -
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Standings are virtually unused in EVE today, so what you're losing is a currency that had almost no value other than looking cool in your character sheet.This is changing, and that means devaluating the old standing coin so that the new standing coin can have some meaning.
Dividing everybody's standings in half is a fairly even-handed way of doing this. Sure, it hurts, but it'll have to be done.
The research agents are a service for standard agents. There may be changes in the future, but as it stands, you will require to work on your standings to get research agents, and there is no other good way to gain positive standings than via missions.
Hmm quite the contradiction there Papa Smurf.
Ok standing didn't quite have a meaning in the game untill now, but a lot of players like me were doing the missions anyway to raise our standings in anticipation of what was to come. And now we get rewarded for all our time and effort to see our precious hard earned standings by doin thousands of outright dropdead boring missions halved? YEP sounds very fair to me.
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I can recalculate the standings based on missions. This would of course be fine according to you, but it would shaft everybody who has ever killed NPCs, bribed or donated.
Hmmm last time i checked this was game was said to be a roleplaying game......right? So people who chose to bribe, kill NPCs, donated ect... chose that certain path for their character. So I don't really see how it would shaft them.
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capt
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Posted - 2003.11.11 14:47:00 -
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terribly sorry for this reply of mine to show up three times.
thought the forum was borked.
guess not
If some administrator could remove the 2 double replies? thnx
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Marrow
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Posted - 2003.11.11 17:38:00 -
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Capt, I don't think you're making sense. $50 of real money beats $100 of Monopoly money (i.e. not real) any day. The people who have put in more effort are not penalized to a larger degree than those who haven't -- if everyone gets half then the ratio stays the same. If someone worked to raise their mission count solely because they believed it would give them an advantage after a future code-change, then they made the mistake, not the devs.
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Xhalen Toth
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:52:00 -
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Fantastic, many thanks for the reply Papa Smurf.
"A shadowy ichor is beginning to extend its tendrils into society." |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.11.11 19:34:00 -
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Although I dissagree on the divide by 2, I still think those that have -2.0 or better better take notice. As long as all my refferals are there I could careless. The main question is where do the social skills I have been waiting for fit in with agents.
Do agents know you are a blackmarket trader and act on that or any other skill?
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Bigby
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Posted - 2003.11.11 19:58:00 -
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Quick question, will skills like blackmarket have an effect with the new standings or will we wait or those?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.11.11 20:18:00 -
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From my understanding Blackmarket is for standings. Getting something in the blackmarket, ie Cu Vapors for example would be cool. Though I think to buy or sell you have to have the skill... Therefore no more trade channel...
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.11.11 21:46:00 -
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PapaSmurf
You cannot implement your announced plans for the agent research BP lottery. It will not work the way you intend it to. Please read my post on this thread ASAP. This is incredibly important. If you go forward with your ideas as written it will be disasterous.
Sabahl.
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Alviarin
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Posted - 2003.11.12 14:27:00 -
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... Agents have varying requirements, so some low quality lvl.3 agents will be willing to work fo you as well.
uhm, sure...but my awesome lvl3 agent will probably mind my standing loss!
unless my standing towards that particular agent is not halved or nothing...so my low faction standing PLUS my high standing towards that particular agent will grant me access to her services...
now that will be an interesting approach :)
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Illia Pol
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Posted - 2003.11.12 14:37:00 -
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- Agents in the more combat oriented corporation types will be more likely to dish out npc kill missions than the other agents.
So, Intaki Commerce and Intaki Police are both members of the Intaki Syndicate Faction. Will the Intaki Police receive more kill missions? Or is it faction specific?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.12 14:39:00 -
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"unless my standing towards that particular agent is not halved or nothing...so my low faction standing PLUS my high standing towards that particular agent will grant me access to her services...
now that will be an interesting approach :)"
... *sighs* y'know, no offense but please, next time read the whole message before replying? If you did that with either Papa Smurf's post or my follow up, you'd know he intends to do that pretty much the way you suggests...
So yes, you'll still be able to use services of your current lvl.3 agents (awesome or not) thanks to personal standings towards them being adjusted, so they still like you even if the other standings are halved.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.11.12 15:19:00 -
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j0sephine,
You might want to change that sig of yours! Its in bad taste....
I wonder what importance of the value of the agent, +17 for example, will have on the new system?
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.12 23:52:00 -
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"j0sephine,
You might want to change that sig of yours! Its in bad taste...."
... Protein Delicacies, bad taste? Ohh but 9 out of 10 Gallente cooks as well as their kids disagree with you, Mr.Harisdrop ;s
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