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Quattras Peione
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.12.23 10:02:30 -
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Shivanthar wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I'd go with 10s. That's plenty fast enough to get me using that feature.
Switchable and 10s passive sweep sounds pretty reasonable for me too ^.^
As dead set against the idea as I may have been initially, I can absolutely endorse this compromise. This still allows for that fraction-of-a-second window that so many of us rely on to safely navigate hostile territory. The nebulous threat of what may be hidden out there would disappear if my little Buzzard appeared on scan automatically every time I drop cloak for a moment.
+1 for the compromise option.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.12.23 10:10:56 -
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Euripedies wrote:Or assign it to a hot key so I can stop the ****"*** mouse clicking and mash a button instead.
after the first click you can use enter.
but like how it is with its current function you can't do anything other than D-scan when dscaning as if you click on something else enter will no longer work |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.12.23 10:15:43 -
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I suspect it's manual to reduce server load.
If it was automatic, EVERYBODY would have it perma-on. There would be a massive increase in server activity related to d-scan, for minimal benefit. Just think of the times you don't even need it at all - big fleet engagements for example. Or in highsec, if you're not in a potentially dangerous situation.
I have no idea what the actual server load per single d-scan is, but even a 1% increase would be too much of a downside, imho.
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Jack Oam
Cube Ural corporation
Tesseract alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.23 13:21:38 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:I suspect it's manual to reduce server load.
If it was automatic, EVERYBODY would have it perma-on. There would be a massive increase in server activity related to d-scan, for minimal benefit. Just think of the times you don't even need it at all - big fleet engagements for example. Or in highsec, if you're not in a potentially dangerous situation.
I have no idea what the actual server load per single d-scan is, but even a 1% increase would be too much of a downside, imho.
So for convenience of pilots in occasional 1-2k local battle,
20k++ pilots logged in every day must click hundreds if not thousands times a session?
Is this fun? Is this interesting gameplay?
Leave this option off when scanner is not open, make it off by default.
Also during big battles, there are pilots who will be scanning anyway,
and most of the pilots will have the dscan window closed.
Hisec is the most dangerous place in game, so many neutrals 
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Ix Method
Shadows Legion
High-Sec Tomfoolery
357
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Posted - 2014.12.23 13:30:49 -
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Wouldn't be adverse to it auto refreshing say every 10-15 seconds combined with the existing option to manually scan faster. Tbh I like the existing advantages of having scouts on the holes/spamming dscan but I agree as an everyday function it's a tedious and pointless time waster.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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159Pinky
Under Heavy Fire
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.12.23 14:04:58 -
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Riot Girl wrote:159Pinky wrote:No auto dscan is needed. If you forget it: your mistake. As you mentioned, clicking dscan is easy, so I don't see the problem?
Mining is easy + dscan is easy = mining + dscan somewhat easy !
Shooting us easy + dscan is easy = nullsec plexs is somewhat easy !
Short: -1 Have you ever been to WH space?
Relevance to what I posted?
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Jack Oam
Cube Ural corporation
Tesseract alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.23 14:23:58 -
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159Pinky wrote:Riot Girl wrote:159Pinky wrote:No auto dscan is needed. If you forget it: your mistake. As you mentioned, clicking dscan is easy, so I don't see the problem?
Mining is easy + dscan is easy = mining + dscan somewhat easy !
Shooting us easy + dscan is easy = nullsec plexs is somewhat easy !
Short: -1 Have you ever been to WH space? Relevance to what I posted?
It is very relevant, whatever you do you need to use dscan constantly in w-space.
No one says that clicking a button every few second is not easy,
but we are paying money to do it.
Why it should be tedious when it can be easy?
Eve's gameplay can be challenging enough without need to click on a button every 2 second like some kind of a lab rat.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:00:36 -
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Jack Oam wrote:So for convenience of pilots in occasional 1-2k local battle,
20k++ pilots logged in every day must click hundreds if not thousands times a session? Actually, it's for the convenience of every one of those 20k+ players, every time they log in.
Again, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure the dscan function needs either:
a) the server to send you (the dscanning dude) positional information on every player AND object in system, so your client can check if they're in range (probable option)
b) the server to make the calculations itself and send you the results (I doubt it)
That's data and processing that you usually don't need, when not using dscan. And there must be a reason why the client doesn't let you just spam it, right?
As it isn't one system = one server node (except Jita and big battles), then all the players with their auto-dscan ticking away would affect the performance of everyone.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Forged of Fire
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:20:56 -
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Just get rid of d-scan completely. Then give every ship a probe launcher slot. If you want to gather Intel off grid, you should have to launch probes. Then actively man those probes. Sitting cloaked and passively collecting Intel on everything with 14.3 AU is ridiculous.
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Shivanthar
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Posted - 2014.12.24 08:22:16 -
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Eldwinn wrote:-1 . Imagine sticking a cloaky alt in your system all day. Then just having them port out the dscan to some tool like dingo every 5seconds. Then have those fetched from some email server.
If window is not active, auto-disable auto-sweep. -Problem solved-
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Temijin
Purging Maelstrom
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Posted - 2014.12.24 09:00:59 -
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I think this is a great idea. Sets the stage to get rid of free Intel in local chat for nul sec just like in worm holes. Never made sense to me for nul sec. Fits lore. Solves several problems. Let's do it! |
159Pinky
Under Heavy Fire
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.12.24 11:19:17 -
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Jack Oam wrote:159Pinky wrote:Riot Girl wrote:159Pinky wrote:No auto dscan is needed. If you forget it: your mistake. As you mentioned, clicking dscan is easy, so I don't see the problem?
Mining is easy + dscan is easy = mining + dscan somewhat easy !
Shooting us easy + dscan is easy = nullsec plexs is somewhat easy !
Short: -1 Have you ever been to WH space? Relevance to what I posted? It is very relevant, whatever you do you need to use dscan constantly in w-space. No one says that clicking a button every few second is not easy, but we are paying money to do it. Why it should be tedious when it can be easy? Eve's gameplay can be challenging enough without need to click on a button every 2 second like some kind of a lab rat.
Yes, WH are difficult, they are not lik 0.0. But hey, you knew that before you entered WH. And I also pay money to CCP to be able to catch ratters. If all they need to do is run a module that does this for them, then I want scan probes to will auto pin point ratters, because moving probes is tedious in my opninion. And a waste of my time.
Why should it be tedious when it can be easy? |
Shivanthar
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Posted - 2014.12.24 11:52:47 -
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159Pinky wrote:
... then I want scan probes to will auto pin point ratters, because moving probes is tedious in my opninion. And a waste of my time.
Why should it be tedious when it can be easy?
Why are you comparing a needless push action with a mini-game and then call it a "waste of time"?
One of the proposals destroys an annoyance while your proposal destroys a mini-game that requires game skills/player skills and is fun to do?
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.12.24 20:47:31 -
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It's like those quick time events in games these days where you mash the X button as fast as you can to make the character perform a complex action they already know how to do. No gameplay in that. Probes are gameplay, and surprisingly anti-bot as well.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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159Pinky
Under Heavy Fire
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.12.25 23:08:57 -
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Shivanthar wrote:159Pinky wrote:
... then I want scan probes to will auto pin point ratters, because moving probes is tedious in my opninion. And a waste of my time.
Why should it be tedious when it can be easy?
Why are you comparing a needless push action with a mini-game and then call it a "waste of time"? One of the proposals destroys an annoyance while your proposal destroys a mini-game that requires game skills/player skills and is fun to do?
And with auto dscan you ruin my gameplay... |
Shivanthar
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Posted - 2014.12.25 23:14:35 -
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159Pinky wrote:
And with auto dscan you ruin my gameplay...
Good try.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2139
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Posted - 2014.12.26 16:29:13 -
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I posit that the real reason people are opposed to the change is because they are good at mindless button-mashing and are afraid that actual skill will begin to govern the scanning meta if this change happens.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Dantes Wolf
Shadow Legion X
The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.12.27 00:41:19 -
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Lienzo wrote:I'd govern the update rate based on the set range and scope of the scan. The more data you want, the longer you have to wait.
Secondly, dscan gives fleet comps a little too inexpensively. Reduce the information presented to categorical data: ie 1mn magnetometric signal.
Thirdly, give different kinds of ships different native scanning attributes, particularly for maximum range. Pods, start ships and shuttles should be virtually worthless for scanning.
This.
+1 one for that Idea, Lienzo.
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159Pinky
Under Heavy Fire
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.12.27 11:08:46 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I posit that the real reason people are opposed to the change is because they are good at mindless button-mashing and are afraid that actual skill will begin to govern the scanning meta if this change happens.
Where is the skill in an auto updating dscan tool?
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Ratchet Conway
EVE University
Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2014.12.27 11:16:54 -
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159Pinky wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I posit that the real reason people are opposed to the change is because they are good at mindless button-mashing and are afraid that actual skill will begin to govern the scanning meta if this change happens. Where is the skill in an auto updating dscan tool?
This feat can be achieved by making a hotkey in the keybindings tab. There is no skill in that. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2141
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Posted - 2014.12.27 19:17:00 -
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159Pinky wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I posit that the real reason people are opposed to the change is because they are good at mindless button-mashing and are afraid that actual skill will begin to govern the scanning meta if this change happens. Where is the skill in an auto updating dscan tool?
In focusing mental energy on something that actually uses brain power.
Where is the skill in button-mashing for intel?
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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