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NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
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Posted - 2015.01.05 02:26:27 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Tiia Doshu wrote:Well...the math is faulty then and so is the physics. You actually have the physics formula behind warp mechanics and interdiction bubbles? Can you share them with us and show where the current simulation violates them? Simple topograchical defects in space time exert a pull central to their mass but form an arch on space time itself. So long as the path of warp (POW) is held to be offset from the center by Formane's Uterrance (FU) not necessarily relevant to the radius of the defect when taken as a 5th dimensional extrusion of a hyper tetrahedron. The issue comes down to the fact the camera drones use an electron oscillation medium, of which it reacts to photons of a between 200 and 970 photons per square micron. However as said medium is not an accurate medium from which to gather a 3d mapping, you would need to use an electromagnetic capture bottle capable of observing the vector and energy levels of the photons passing through it, then a method to recreate the data in a forced 2 dimensional space for your brain to perceive it accurately. THis leads to the inherant issue of the camera drones skewing the image as the optical oscillation processor system (OOPS) can not tell the difference of the rotation of the photons as they decay into electrons on the medium. This in turn leads the system to simply recreate a density mapping of the area, then overlay a false color image to better soothe your mind. Effectively, the "drag bubble" and its field aren't so much ahead of you in a line from your warp, but rather it is occupying a space tangent to you and your destination. Thus you are with FU on your POW, I would suggest taking the OOPS issue up with the ship builders and switching to tachyon burst receivers, and relying upon a sterile neutrino detector in the meantime. |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
85
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:15:00 -
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You know I never really gave it much thought...
Is a drag bubble a glitch that people have come to love and so ccp allows it? |
DaReaper
Net 7
1649
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:33:16 -
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Rawketsled wrote:I'd hazard a guess at that it was buggy code that ingenious players adapted for their own use.
I'm a lowsec scallywag, so I rarely interact with bubbles. Take my entire post with a grain of salt. I think C needs to be on grid with B for the bubble to drag you further.
I certainly hope the mechanics stay exactly as they are. Confusing people(your victims) in combat is a brilliant tactic.
No the code is not buggy, it was programed to work exactly how they do. go look up the old dev blog on them. no bugs, working as they intentioned it to. its suppose to pull you out of warp.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
524
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:33:49 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:
Asymmetrical ships. How are they moving without flying in random directions?
The fact that people think asymmetrical ships would be a problem in a vacuum has always baffled me. As long as the total thrust is balanced symmetrically, you could fly a ship shaped like a crazy straw and it wouldn't matter one bit. We mere humans have built asymmetrical aircraft - indeed Blohm and Voss designed at least 5 of them during WWII . So why is it such a stretch to think that space craft couldn't be built the same way?
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
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It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1649
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:46:23 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:You know I never really gave it much thought...
Is a drag bubble a glitch that people have come to love and so ccp allows it?
yes been allowed form the beginning of there use, here is an old thread i'll edit as i find the official blog:
EVE Forum
btw google is your friend
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1008
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:54:40 -
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Think of a 2 dimensional universe as a sheet. Anything with weight will warp that sheet into the third dimension, making smaller objects fall towards it. That's a gravity well. In our 3 dimensional universe we protrude into a fourth dimension by warping the 3d environment with our mass. The lore states that warp drives remove a craft from 3d space and therefore from all friction or drag. Warp bubbles do the opposite, fixing the craft in 3d space and as long as point c is in a straight line with a and b, will drag you into it as you land on grid. I've been caught once in 5 years in a magical deep space warp bubble. It takes a lot of burning to stretch a grid out far enough for that but it explains those silly bubbles you see mid warp between gates or celestials. Even discussing such a twisted concept is punishable by permabans or temporary membership in a hardcore roleplaying corp, so do not delve lightly into unspeakable things forbidden. Seriously, what is so interesting about the Forbidden Vault of Secret Mystery anyway?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
609
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:58:06 -
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Foodpimp wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Magnets. You do know that only a fraction of the people on here even know the relevance or origin of that post. HOW DO THEY WORK!?!
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Serene Repose
2006
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Posted - 2015.01.05 05:05:08 -
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You can actually make a system fold back on itself. You can have an unreachable object on grid. Some of this stuff, OP, defies the logic of quality control in simple craftsmanship and production value. The fly in the ointment is that many CCP people play. You don't know with any certainty if things are "allowed" because these people like to use them, or if there's a broader, techno-reason we should "understand" in terms of allowable parameters.
To further exacerbate this, there are people who play WITH these people, who (when these matters are broached here in GD) say all manner of things to rationalize or justify whatever it is under the guise of being simply an objective, disinterested player. And, as all good arguments go, a THIRD element is - it's not only with the issue you raised. It's in a lot of things like hot dropping, market manipulation, weapons characteristics...the list is rather long.
Bringing up this sort of thing here is very much like spitting in the ocean. Though, I appreciate your "concern."
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
376
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Posted - 2015.01.05 06:03:27 -
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Serene Repose wrote:You can actually make a system fold back on itself. You can have an unreachable object on grid. Some of this stuff, OP, defies the logic of quality control in simple craftsmanship and production value. The fly in the ointment is that many CCP people play. You don't know with any certainty if things are "allowed" because these people like to use them, or if there's a broader, techno-reason we should "understand" in terms of allowable parameters. To further exacerbate this, there are people who play WITH these people, who (when these matters are broached here in GD) say all manner of things to rationalize or justify whatever it is under the guise of being simply an objective, disinterested player. And, as all good arguments go, a THIRD element is - it's not only with the issue you raised. It's in a lot of things like hot dropping, market manipulation, weapons characteristics...the list is rather long. Bringing up this sort of thing here is very much like spitting in the ocean. Though, I appreciate your "concern."
The same thing occurs in almost every aspect of real life.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
447
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Posted - 2015.01.05 06:47:24 -
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Rawketsled wrote:I certainly hope the mechanics stay exactly as they are. Confusing people(your victims) in combat is a brilliant tactic.
You really think that this is a good idea? Something not internally consistent with other parts of the game? Really?
Wow.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2015.01.05 08:29:35 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Please explain how the warp computer works? To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps.
In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination).
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3284
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Posted - 2015.01.05 13:04:07 -
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My guess it's because easier programming (check if bubble on grid, then check warp vector, but ignore bubble position).
But it works perfectly gameplay-wise:
1. The fly gets caught if - and only if - he warps to someplace obvious coming from an obvious direction. This is exactly the same for both catch and drag bubbles
2. The spider can be more creative about where to try to snare the fly
So it's all good, carry on.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2015.01.05 18:31:41 -
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There are all kinds of amusing things you can do with bubbles.
Drag people into the inside of a bubble? Sure!
Drag people into a bubble in another grid? Sure!
Stop bubbles.
Bubbles to drag people right into a pipebomb.
A bubbled titan.
Bubbles on a kickout station
And the best, bubbles on the ingate into lowsec, just to mess with anyone poking their head in. And of course your solo pvp alt, with a falcon alt and a link alt or two...
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6516
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:44:05 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Please explain how the warp computer works? To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps. In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination). I see that the roadrunner is interdiction nullified
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Memphis Baas
51
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Posted - 2015.01.06 05:10:05 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:The fact that people think asymmetrical ships would be a problem in a vacuum has always baffled me. As long as the total thrust is balanced symmetrically, you could fly a ship shaped like a crazy straw and it wouldn't matter one bit.
When people say "asymmetrical" in this context they don't mean the shape of the ship, but rather the fact that the thrust is NOT balanced symmetrically. Your crazy straw with 1 thruster perpendicularly attached at one end, in this game it would result in no rotation and full translation.
Tormentor frigate, for example.
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
182
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Posted - 2015.01.06 06:53:05 -
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WTB sucker bubble, sounds neat - do I get that from the Blood Raiders LP Store? Or must I visit an e-brothel, in which case, don't want. |
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
90
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Posted - 2015.01.06 11:06:00 -
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Not sure how up to date this is but its well worth the read
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0905/gridfumanual2%5B2%5D.pdf
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
516
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Posted - 2015.01.06 17:10:08 -
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It makes the water less dense, so your submarine spaceship takes longer stop... wait. Or does it make it more dense... or more salinated. I forget.
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
705
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Posted - 2015.01.06 18:42:17 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Tormentor frigate, for example.
Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem!
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3050
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Posted - 2015.01.06 18:44:10 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Tormentor frigate, for example.
Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem! Until the gyro hits its maximum RPM and explodes.
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
12719
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Posted - 2015.01.06 18:44:30 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Tormentor frigate, for example.
Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem! Are you feeling well? You look so pale ............
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
839
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Posted - 2015.01.06 18:59:29 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Tormentor frigate, for example.
Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem! Until the gyro hits its maximum RPM and explodes.
Gyro's made from diamonds. Problem solved. |
Jon Dekker
Dekker Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.06 19:40:30 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Tormentor frigate, for example.
Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem!
I'll take two gyros please, with extra tzatziki on the side! OM NOM NOM! |
Noriko Mai
1937
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Posted - 2015.01.06 19:51:50 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Please explain how the warp computer works? To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps. In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination). How did they do it? I mean, the meep meep thing go through, but the wolf can't. Amazing technology! |
Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
12721
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Posted - 2015.01.06 19:56:13 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Please explain how the warp computer works? To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps. In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination). How did they do it? I mean, the meep meep thing go through, but the wolf can't. Amazing technology! lol you can't seriously be asking this, can you? Seriously, wtf? How old are you?
It's because of PERSPECTIVE!!!
When RoadRunner runs through it, you can see it's a tunnel!
When !!Coyote!! tries to run through it, you can see it's painted onto the mountain!
There ... sheesh .... kids these days ....
*snickers xD*
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1795
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Posted - 2015.01.06 19:56:32 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Please explain how the warp computer works? To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps. In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination). How did they do it? I mean, the meep meep thing go through, but the wolf can't. Amazing technology! Wolf warped to the gate (wall) from slightly wrong angle, and hits gate. Meep meep is dragged through gate by magic.
Ah, I remember my days of hauling POS fuel through 0.0, saying meep meep to gatecamps as I passed through them.
Wait, he's a coyote, a wolf is a ship. Wolf wolves aren't I mean, but spaceship wolves are. Point is, if you encounter a wolf, be clear on whether it's a wolf or a spaceship. Or a coyote.
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
12721
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Posted - 2015.01.06 19:57:34 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Please explain how the warp computer works? To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps. In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination). How did they do it? I mean, the meep meep thing go through, but the wolf can't. Amazing technology! Wolf warped to the gate (wall) from slightly wrong angle, and hits gate. Meep meep is dragged through gate by magic. Ah, I remember my days of hauling POS fuel through 0.0, saying meep meep to gatecamps as I passed through them. Wow you people are CLUELESS!!
DON'T YOU KNOW HOW THE WORLD WORKS?????
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
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Noriko Mai
1937
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Posted - 2015.01.06 20:20:15 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Please explain how the warp computer works? To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps. In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination). How did they do it? I mean, the meep meep thing go through, but the wolf can't. Amazing technology! Wolf warped to the gate (wall) from slightly wrong angle, and hits gate. Meep meep is dragged through gate by magic. Ah, I remember my days of hauling POS fuel through 0.0, saying meep meep to gatecamps as I passed through them. Wow you people are CLUELESS!! DON'T YOU KNOW HOW THE WORLD WORKS????? meep meep? |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
363
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Posted - 2015.01.06 20:21:51 -
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Jon Dekker wrote:=
I'll take two gyros please, with extra tzatziki on the side! OM NOM NOM!
Tzatziki should be a PI good.
You should be able to combine it with genetically modified livestock to make Gyros.
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
346
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Posted - 2015.01.06 20:54:07 -
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The best guess i can come up with is this:
a warp conduitis generated in space. The destination receives interference from the bubble and even though the warp computer has an expected destination, it is not compensating for the bubble interference - unless it is interdiction nullified. The result is the warp computer going "oh ****" as well as the pilot.
Likely the interference and drag are 2 effects working together to make a result. interference screws with the warp field resulting in a possible destination change and preventing warping while the drag is cause by the warp conduit itself and the warp disruption field overlapping, hence why it works only while intersecting the warp conduit. Think of it like Lagrange points and gravity, while two object have different gravitational fields, there will be small zones where the waves will cancel out and create a stable zone (not the right terminology but the same idea). |
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