So you are officially agreeing that there is NO mechanics counter to being bumped at the moment? None? It is 100% effective once initiated, and that the only valid counters in the game right now are, in fact, avoidance techniques to ensure bumping never begins and not actual counters to the mechanic of bumping itself?

Just clarifying.

As said you can get a fast ship out in front of a bumped freighter and simply warp it away from the bumpers.

Not specifically true as the OP has stated. The ONLY way this will work is if you properly guess the direction the you are being bumped and get that fast ship in the proper position. If the bumper has a few brain cells still active they will not bump you in the same direction making this technique totally worthless.

OP is wrong, this tactic will work damn near every time you use it unless you mess it up badly.

This tactic will work rarely as the EVE client does not accurately display your alignment vector during active bumping.

You dont need that, just get in front and navigate using the camera. You have a rather wide margin for error in this.

You don't have a 90 degree margin of error

and I've watched my freighter snap to new alignments that extreme routinely during a bump. When you have burned 200km in one direction only to find that, in fact, your freighter was pointing 75 degrees off to the left the whole time and the client JUST NOW decides to inform you of that fact, well, that's not gameplay nor is that a reliable or even defensible counter to bumping.

Your other argument is, once again, avoidance, not a counter.

And your final counter is "more bumping", which sounds eerily like "the only counter to supers is more supers". Funnily enough, ALSO a gameplay state no one is particularly happy with :)

This is tosh. Not only would the client not suffer from that much lag but bumping of freighters is to get the ship away from the gate guns. Bumping a ship from multiple directions does not work and is highly likely to result in the target simply warping off to a celestial.

Another tactic is to suicide a nub ship into the freighter to pre spawn concord.

But the issue with that is needing to have an escort to counter the exploitation of an artificial game mechanic.

No.

As said you can get a fast ship out in front of a bumped freighter and simply warp it away from the bumpers.

Alternatively you can counter bump said bumpers.

Webbing the freighter means they won't be bumping it in the first place.

Why is this needed?

Well, primarily, escaping a bump in a freighter is basically impossible once caught by a competent bumper. You are 100% trapped. Your only option is to muster a gank fleet to pop the bumper. I would like there to be a LEGAL mechanism to turn bumping into a less black and white activity.

But but but... you can already avoid high-sec bumping by X, Y, Z...!

Yeah... no. Perfect intel, scouting, and webbing isn't a 100% effective way to avoid being trapped by a bumper. There are two systems in high-sec EVE that cannot be avoided BY DESIGN and everyone knows this and how to lock 'em down. Nevermind that a bumping mach can outwarp a freighter and get ahead of it pretty easily regardless of where it's headed. Most importantly, those are options to AVOID bumping. Not to COUNTER bumping. This is a mechanism intended to provide a gameplay mechanic to counter bumping, as there currently is none.

Is it so unreasonable to expect people to use ACTUAL tackle mods?

Furthermore, nothing stopping the gankers killing the assist ships and then bumping, just diverge/adapt a bit. Equally people can lock and volley shuttles and interceptors, I don't think it's a stretch to see them locking and scramming a freighter if they are organised - and why should people not need to be organised? Heck this could even ignore the warp core strength part and all they need is a single point - I reckon that's doable

This is a good point, one you would do well to remember as you deprive a pilot of control of their ship with zero repercussions whilst you hide behind concord.

I'm sorry you disagree with reality, but that IS what happens when a freighter is bumped. The EVE client gets *very* confused about alignment.

A Bat Country representative should not be stooping to deception about the mechanics of ganks. You know as well as I do that a single pre-spawned CONCORD squad will barely diminish the DPS output of a full-size gank fleet. More importantly, what exactly does that have to do with bumping? Oh yeah, nothing. So I'm not sure why you'd bring CONCORD into this discussion.

Don't conflate this thread with one about freighter ganking. It's not.

I have no interest in arguing about ganking because I have no interest in reducing or nerfing highsec ganking.

I AM interested in keeping bumping around as a valid mechanic.

>>Kill the assist ships and bump it. If someone is bringing two webbers and a counter ship or two to protect the freighter, they've damned sure earned the right to be extremely hard to kill imo. And "hard to kill" is nothing more than a prepared gate with a sebo'd tackler or two.

No, it is only impossible if people refuse to fit hard tackle. Refusing to fit hard tackle and then complaining about people escaping is like complaining when untanked freighters die.

I would assume a visible effect would play out in space a-la RR/capXfer. They're also going to be cycling for 30s before the effect takes hold per the OP so that should be sufficient time to start blapping (or jamming) people, it's also not going to land perfectly at its destination so can be caught there much in the same way that existing slow ships warping to celestials are caught by quicker ones.


I agree it makes it harder, but you're talking about multiple people operating in a pretty organised manner - it should be harder to kill them than some afk, cargo expanded badfit ship.