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Wicked Wisdom Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Wicked Wisdom on 23/09/2006 19:15:58 Im pretty ****ed off at the low PG, I was told it cant even fit 8 Ions and a decent tank, let alone 8 Neutrons... What are your comments on the Hyperion?
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Wicked Wisdom Edited by: Wicked Wisdom on 23/09/2006 19:15:58 Im pretty **ed off at the low PG, I was told it cant even fit 8 Ions and a decent tank, let alone 8 Neutrons... What are your comments on the Hyperion? I was told (well actually I figured this for myself) that I should wait until release before I start complaining on something that isn't final and can't be verified. Join Tharsis!** - Get Sexy Sigs
Wicked Wisdom Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:21:00 - [3] Edited by: Wicked Wisdom on 23/09/2006 19:20:55 Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Wicked Wisdom Edited by: Wicked Wisdom on 23/09/2006 19:15:58 Im pretty ****ed off at the low PG, I was told it cant even fit 8 Ions and a decent tank, let alone 8 Neutrons... What are your comments on the Hyperion? I was told (well actually I figured this for myself) that I should wait until release before I start complaining on something that isn't final and can't be verified. Yes, but as of now, I was told by someone who has more information than us, that the Hyperion is being beaten CONSTANTLY in a Blasterboat 1v1 against the Megathron... Mainly because it cant fit a decent tank and still do damage...
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Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Wicked Wisdom Yes, but as of now, I was told by someone who has more information than us, that the Hyperion is being beaten CONSTANTLY in a Blasterboat 1v1 against the Megathron... Mainly because it cant fit a decent tank and still do damage... I was told by the voice in my head that everything will be alright. Calm down, wait, and no need to start trolling posts. And for that matter train Caldari too. Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
Wicked Wisdom Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:23:00 - [6] This isnt a trolling thread, this is supposed to be a legitimate discussion thread... kthxbye
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Wicked Wisdom Yes, but as of now, I was told by someone who has more information than us, that the Hyperion is being beaten CONSTANTLY in a Blasterboat 1v1 against the Megathron... Mainly because it cant fit a decent tank and still do damage... I'd hope if it's constantly getting beaten in closed testing that it would be modified so it doesnt get constantly beaten. I really do hope it has enough PG for a proper setup - neutron II's on a hyperion should do approx 1400dps with decent skills Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:44:00 - [8] Im certain it will be another pwnmobile. Just look at the Domi and the Mega ffs... gallente have the best battleships in the game. Your third wont be any different. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Antodias Puppets on Steroids iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/09/2006 19:51:18 Im certain it will be another pwnmobile. Just look at the Domi and the Mega ffs... gallente have the best solo pvp battleships in the game. Your third wont be any different. And im not surprised the mega kills the hyperion. The mega kills everything. Faction fitted Mega v Faction fitted Hyper would be fun to see.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim McGregor And im not surprised the mega kills the hyperion. The mega kills everything. I wish. Try going up against an ECM rage torp Raven and seeing how long you last. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Antodias Puppets on Steroids iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Jim McGregor And im not surprised the mega kills the hyperion. The mega kills everything. I wish. Try going up against an ECM rage torp Raven and seeing how long you last. Well yeah, but going with anything against ECM is pretty much suicide.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:06:00 - [12] I just hope it has a lot more CPU than a MegaT. Fitting even 7 electrons can be painful when you fit a tank, MWD and injector... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:08:00 - [13] some numbers will be needed to talk about it, or its just pure guessing and not many people will argue about hyper being crap if they dont have any numbers but i do indeed believe the tier 3 gallente BS will have very little use if any at all i fully expect the megathron to beat the hyper at close range [i dont remember where but i read it will definitely have less drone space, maybe someone can confirm this] now i know its gona get its 8th turret slot but that one extra turret slot doesn't make up for the drones or come close, also take into account fitting one more gun means ur gona be spending more cap/pg/cpu! speed or acceleration at the BS level isnt paramount! if you can hit hard at 20km then u are fine and dont need to be moving fast to close the gap nor accelerate fast. the only times it will be important is when you land 40km and need to mwd to target! unless its got acceleration TIWCE that of a megathron or more then its pretty crappy so imo its not really designed well, acceleration and top speed is not very important with BS class blasters [thanks to null]. then lower drone bay giving overall lower dps. then one big killer, 6 low slots VS 7 low slots. that 7th slot is very important! oh and the 37.5% more tracking the mega has certainly isnt gona hurt! overall, i predict the megathron staying as the blaster boat and the hyper being the sniper!
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Wicked Wisdom ...I was told by someone who has more information than us... /me grabs the popcorn
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:12:00 - [15] Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 23/09/2006 20:13:50 Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Wicked Wisdom Edited by: Wicked Wisdom on 23/09/2006 19:15:58 Im pretty ****ed off at the low PG, I was told it cant even fit 8 Ions and a decent tank, let alone 8 Neutrons... What are your comments on the Hyperion? I was told (well actually I figured this for myself) that I should wait until release before I start complaining on something that isn't final and can't be verified. But it's so much better to scream that the sky is falling before you walk outside. edit: I hear the Drake is getting a bonus to CPU and grid reduction of seige launchers, and will acutally be a 7-torp launcher battlecruiser with a 10% ROF bonus. It will also have 8 midslots and 30k shield base, with a 100sec regen. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia But it's so much better to scream that the sky is falling before you walk outside. ...but what if the sky is falling outside? (Seriously... heavy rain, hail, tornado watch here, its real nice!) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Wicked Wisdom ...I was told by someone who has more information than us... oh an who's that? the voices in your head? because I can only think of half dozen people that have acess to kali atm. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:35:00 - [18] Edited by: xlop on 23/09/2006 20:36:13 i would say the hyper is designed wrong right now! It is a gallante boat, the 3rd tier. first mistake is the lower drone space. please give it the same space as the typhoon not less than the mega at worst equal to it! loose the MWD mass bonus, how important do you think 10% faster acceleration is gona be for a BS tux? it would need to have at lest 2times the top (speed/acceleration) as the megathron for that to be useful and i dont see the acceleration of a cruiser in a BS (rightly so) thus u will need to give it something like +80% to mega speed and +20% to mega acceleration for it to be a worthwhile bonous. and that is too much! here is a better idea for the second bonus, let us use AB with MWD bonus. ie give us something like +100% to AB speed increase per level or what ever [to turn a AB on a megathron into a MWD] that gives us less cap use, which is important but it also saves blasterthrons from being primary! [what do u mean you ask, well they are ships which excel in small gangs, when u uncloack with ur gang and hit mwd to get to ur first target, the people ur fighting lock all BS, but they tend to all lock u first because of ur 2k sig and thus u are primary! thus really good blaster pilots dont and cant use the mwd for 2-3 seconds to stop this effect!!!] hyper as a blaster boat should be/have: 8High [8T,1M] 4Mid 7/8Low [if 7 low slots, give 175M^3 drone bay] [if 8 lows give 75M^3] +5% dmg : +100% to AB acceleration 40km lock range [means u will need 3 t2 sensor booster if u want to snipe in it VS 2 on the megathron] [thus a megathron will have > 60% the tracking of a hyper] [but it will be extremely effected by damps but hopefully damps will be fixed with ecm] 175 scan res [fast lock but needed to make up for the extremely low lock range] 5k cap: 1100 sec recharge 4500 shields : 6000 armor : 7000k structure magnetometric sensor strength : 28 points signature radius 430 m enough PG and CPU to fit 8 ions t2. AB t2. named 20km. named wegb. heavy cap inj. 2dmg mods. 1large rep t2. 1 med rep t2, 2 energzed t2, dcu could also give it an inbuilt bonus to blasters that lowers their PG by and CPU by 25% [then lower the PG/CPU of the ship accordingly] to further stop its use as a rail platform. with AB speed bonous to turn it into a mwd at bs lvl 5. and +5% dmg
dec0 Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.09.23 21:09:00 - [19] Nah, that would be overpowered. Just because you guys want the best ship in eve doesnt mean theyre gonna give it you, its meant to be hard to squeeze out a good fitting from a ship, not make it one thats invulnerable. When it comes out there will be lots of moans but with skills and common sense it will be the pwnmobile the gallente want, the devs know what theyre doing a lot more than you guys. Thank god theyre giving the caldari something good to...
Zyrla Bladestorm Minmatar Foundation	Posted - 2006.09.23 21:22:00 - [20] First up: agreeing with those saying you cant really have a legitimate discussion about a ship that hasn't been legitately shown to us yet. Second: from my understanding, the megathrons ability to deal damage with blasters has never really been a failing, but rather its ability to close to the range it is most effective. Now given the last the devs officially said about the hyperion it was a ship designed to close in and use blasters .. well, in a megathron vs hyperion fight, I'm not the least bit surprised if the megathron is winning, since the hyperion is doing half its work for it. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.23 21:40:00 - [21] Edited by: xlop on 23/09/2006 21:43:50 Originally by: dec0 Nah, that would be overpowered. Just because you guys want the best ship in eve doesnt mean theyre gonna give it you, its meant to be hard to squeeze out a good fitting from a ship, not make it one thats invulnerable. When it comes out there will be lots of moans but with skills and common sense it will be the pwnmobile the gallente want, the devs know what theyre doing a lot more than you guys. Thank god theyre giving the caldari something good to... it should be the MOST powerful BS at ranges of 10km or less drop point. it should win ALL BS vs BS fights if it lands within 15km. it should be close with the tempest at 15-20km. it should loose to the tempest at 20-35km. it should loose to the geddon at 30-75km! and tbh there are players much more quilified than tux at balancing or making ships/mods. two people out of many would be digitalcommunist or Lukec. Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm Second: from my understanding, the megathrons ability to deal damage with blasters has never really been a failing, but rather its ability to close to the range it is most effective. Now given the last the devs officially said about the hyperion it was a ship designed to close in and use blasters .. well, in a megathron vs hyperion fight, I'm not the least bit surprised if the megathron is winning, since the hyperion is doing half its work for it. your first understanding is correct, the damage from blasters is fine imo! ability to close the range is a problem for the thorax/deimos but it is not a problem for the BS class! now they cant make the tier 3 galante BS as agile as a cruiser, nor can they give it a higher top speed than mini BS, thus at most it will accelerate perhaps 30% more than the megathron. so within 10sec instead of doing 600mps you are doing 700mps. does that sound like a reason to give up 1low for 1mid and to have 37.5% less tracking AND less dps!! [its one less low slot means a much lower tank or 20% less dmg from guns!] =========================================== so overall atm, i dont see any smart person using a hyper for close range combat, it has 6 lows 5 mids 8turrets 75m^3 drone bay from latest stats given to us with a +5% dmg and + [something to make it accelerate faster if its got a mwd on] not having that 7th low slot means no DCU [galante really need this] or one less energized adaptive [20% more damage taken!], or one less dmg mod! [20% less dmg delt] the extra mid is nice, putting a tracking comp on there just about gets back the megas 37.5% tracking. or u can fit what ever, its nice but i wouldnt trade 7lows 4mids for 6lows 5mids the extra gun doesn't make up for less droneage, and the extra gun means u are spending more pg/cpu while drones take none! overall i dont see me using it as a close range BS since the megathron does a better job [that is with the assumed stats] unless perhaps if it could field 8neutrons t2 1 large rep t2, mwd t2, large capinjector and enough cpu to fit the others with decent mods]
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.23 21:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/09/2006 19:51:18 Im certain it will be another pwnmobile. Just look at the Domi and the Mega ffs... gallente have the best solo pvp battleships in the game. Your third wont be any different. And im not surprised the mega kills the hyperion. The mega kills everything. Really? Dunno, i must really stop flying caldari alts. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Ebedar Gallente Primary Intelligence	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:34:00 - [23] TBH, even assuming you know someone who has access to Kali, you're basing your information on one person's experiences. They might just suck as a pilot for all we know. I'm going to wait till the thing's out for testing before actually passing any judgement on it. ~ Balls > WCS
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:26:00 - [24] better whine now than cry and whine later.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Wicked Wisdom I was told by someone who has more information than us Then someone is breaking his/her NDA and will soon be losing their job. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/09/2006 19:51:18 Im certain it will be another pwnmobile. Just look at the Domi and the Mega ffs... gallente have the best solo pvp battleships in the game. Your third wont be any different. And im not surprised the mega kills the hyperion. The mega kills everything. Err.. Dominix is not a pwnmobile. Heavy nos are overpowered against small stuff and ECM is in general, stupid. Try flying a Dominix without these two things, and you'll see its nowhere close to amazing. Both of which are going to be changed, all part of the FOTM wave. And I don't even wanna begin telling you how flawed your interpretation of the blaster Megathron's abilities are. I've seen more Typhoons being used in the last year, which is quite frankly, disturbing. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:53:00 - [27] I hope they maintain the inital 8/6/6 slot configuration that appeared in the early 'concept'. 8/5/7 infringes on Vindicator territory, 8/4/8 the Navy Megathron. 8/6/6 would however give us a different blaster boat to the Dominix and Megathron - not neccesarily more powerful, different. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:53:00 - [28] Originally by: DigitalCommunist And I don't even wanna begin telling you how flawed your interpretation of the blaster Megathron's abilities are. I've seen more Typhoons being used in the last year, which is quite frankly, disturbing. That's probably because it's one of the few ships with a chance of solo'ing said NosEWDomi.
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:56:00 - [29] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: DigitalCommunist And I don't even wanna begin telling you how flawed your interpretation of the blaster Megathron's abilities are. I've seen more Typhoons being used in the last year, which is quite frankly, disturbing. That's probably because it's one of the few ships with a chance of solo'ing said NosEWDomi. Depends if I'm carrying 5x Heavy ECM drones and willing to roll the dice. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.24 00:09:00 - [30] said it many times, will say it again mass/acceeration on the BS class with Large blasters is not very important 7 lows slots >>>>>> 6 low slots. only 6 lows if that is what it ends up with means you will have to decide to drop eiter a dmg mod [20% dmg] or a energized adaptive t2 [20% less tanking] both taking stacking into account

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