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MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:16:00 - [31] /me sees no mention of Insta-BMs .. .. Kali 1.5 MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
shinmai Minmatar Minmatar Dope Heads	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:18:00 - [32] Hey CCP a suggestion from a noob - PLEASE include sufficient documentation on these new features! Existing official Eve documentation leaves a lot to be desired. And I'm referring to 'how to' documentation, not 'what can be done with the capability' within the EVE game environment. It's a royal pain in the @$$ trying to figure out how to use things such as Jump Clones, creation of POS, etc. with the information that is officially published. In many cases you leave yourself at risk as you try to figure out how to use a particular item (e.g. loss of implants when using Jump clones). Granted there is a lot of information scattered throughout the virtual universe of web sites, forums and knowledge bases. Much of this scattered info is incomplete, or worse inaccurate. I would say the one major drawback for understanding the more complex capabilities of the game has been the lack of official EVE documentation available in a single location / source. A new pilot will exhaust the information covered in the Player Guide and Tutorial in less than a week, with still a lot of unanswered questions on what things are and how they work. Yeah I know I can go to the new player help chat. But have you ever tried to use that for more than one liner Q/A? With all the pilots using that single chat line to ask questions it is impossible to get any lengthy coherant dialog going. I know another resource would be corporations who have experienced pilots from the school of hard knocks. But how about new features such as the new contracts capability coming on-line that no one has experience with. I doubt pilots want to figure out the hard way how that will work. Same goes for all the new combat capabilities in Kali 2. Perhaps CCP, you have the documentation planned as part of the upgrade... I hope so! Enslave the Amarri!
pardux Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:29:00 - [33] Edited by: pardux on 27/09/2006 00:29:57 ;f wondering, with kali 2 with the factional stuff can you add pirate npc stations and other unused models ? =\| annoying to see sansha/angel and other stations all using the empire models.... and gate locking/solar system defences are just bad, your making the blob > * (which is has actually happened already with pos's), and removing almost all risk from being in some 0.0 alliances. and making the game be easier for the carebears =\| <3 all the other stuff specially the exploration and complex fixing and fix insta's by making it warp to 0km, and autopilot use warp to 15km
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:30:00 - [34] Thanks for the tantalizing. Originally by: Weirda Originally by: DigitalCommunist great questions would love to have answers please! Ditto. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Rasitiln solar system defenses are silly your taking the 0.0 out of 0.0 How so? Are you saying if I take over an entire constellation, I shouldn't get to have some gate sentries or other extra home field advantages? Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:40:00 - [36] I also would like to know if the complexes will remain static or are they going to be random spawning (REALLY hope you'll answer random).
pardux Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Rasitiln solar system defenses are silly your taking the 0.0 out of 0.0 How so? Are you saying if I take over an entire constellation, I shouldn't get to have some gate sentries or other extra home field advantages? thats called a pos, 0.0 is safe enough already...
Coran Ordus Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Wrayeth ...I'm worried that the warfare changes with Kali 2 will just result in more blobbing, which I find the be the least fun aspect of PvP after shooting at POS. Given that Tuxford has blogged on wanting to fight the blobbing, I wouldn't be too concerned. I suspect tweaks/additions will be to try to thin out and separate blobs. CCP seems aware of the problem, although it's hard to predict human behavior once changes go live. Also, re: the blog. Awesome stuff.
Rasitiln Minmatar SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Rasitiln solar system defenses are silly your taking the 0.0 out of 0.0 How so? Are you saying if I take over an entire constellation, I shouldn't get to have some gate sentries or other extra home field advantages? dont supose you have tried to take over a outpost lately its already hard enough adding sentries is silly you might as well add concord while your at it. You essentially make frigates useless in 0.0 combat as well as dictors or anything cant cant tank a sentry gun. Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe
Chienka ANZAC ALLIANCE Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.27 01:27:00 - [40] ...Thus giving the home side not only an advantage on DPS, but the fact that they can field intys, AFs, frigs, cruisers, recons, dictors, and other ships that an attacking force cant. However, if theres a high enough price on them, and theyre destroyable, then thats ok.
Lazy8s	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:21:00 - [41] Originally by: K1K1R1K1 Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar Originally by: Lazy8s Yeah but when?? Stability > Deadlines What he said. Then release less at a time. This is the only thing Blizzard has right about WoW. Look at any other MMO, large "secrative" patches are always a terrible mess no matter how much they are tested. There's no reason this stuff couldn't be released bi-weekly over a few months. It would give us some new content and allow them to get feedback before they make Mythic's mistake and totally change the game and lose a good chunk of their playerbase. Also, let's be honest, ready or not it will be out by the holidays. It's release or sink time for game manufacturers.
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:26:00 - [42] Edited by: Adam C on 27/09/2006 02:34:54 Factional Warfare & large scale Warfare -ive prolly taken it out of context My mini-blog on large scale warfare* Picture Hundreds of pilots fighting over empire and 0.0 Right now if we do this its meltdown or eve slideshow Large Scale Warfare is arguably* the most favoured form of PVP and will only increase in scale and in complexity ie pos/carriers, etc. My Question /bit of a rant How do I know as a paying customer (thats right I pay three accounts with rl money!) know that servers coping* with those numbers and software patches will improve gameplay. Is it a failure with QA? i know its not its just unavoidable with mmo[/i] how many failures must we endure /type question just to let you know i havent felt enthusiastic about new ships / features for a very very long time (i know its my problem) well maybe the vagabond but even thats a drag because of the price and the grind to replace one and well maybe i do feel slightly enthusiatic about voice comms thing like bf2.[/i] the point of that last statement was I think we need some updates on the EVE Videos section. That'll make me feel better + getting my computer fixed so im off this laptop and stop forum whoring.... Im ranting now to sum up - please can we see more media on changes to come Thanks for reading my rant /mini-blog Sorry for being pessimistic Best game i ever played Sorry for grammer Lub u guys Sorry
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Rasitiln solar system defenses are silly your taking the 0.0 out of 0.0 Erm, no. 0.0 is about player-built Empires. He isnt 'taking the 0.0 out of 0.0', he is making it a reality. PS - love the blog. -------- On vacation from ISSN
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:49:00 - [44] So here piracy is on its knee's being for mercy.So we pirates try to move lower and do some 0.0. But CCP will be damned if that happens? Hey at least now i can train my hulk alt and dump it in ascn know it will be almost totaly safe in 0.0. Sure i won't be having any fun but i will be rich \o/ Good to see we wan't more blob warfare and more gaint alliances.Why have things like fun when you can dream the big bloby dream. --- CCP how about the pith X & A mods? "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:50:00 - [45] Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Rasitiln solar system defenses are silly your taking the 0.0 out of 0.0 How so? Are you saying if I take over an entire constellation, I shouldn't get to have some gate sentries or other extra home field advantages? dont supose you have tried to take over a outpost lately its already hard enough adding sentries is silly you might as well add concord while your at it. You essentially make frigates useless in 0.0 combat as well as dictors or anything cant cant tank a sentry gun. Right, so you don't use frigates to pirate in lowsec then? Aslo, taking over outposts is SUPPOSED to be hard work. But it is not impossible, as both AAA and RED proved to us recently. -------- On vacation from ISSN
TxShadow	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:02:00 - [46] Man I must say I am looking forward to the tier 3 Caldari Battleship! I've been working on my gunnery skills all week, and will be all next week too, shoot, mabye the week after that and beyond to ensure I can handle them right!
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Rasitiln solar system defenses are silly your taking the 0.0 out of 0.0 How so? Are you saying if I take over an entire constellation, I shouldn't get to have some gate sentries or other extra home field advantages? dont supose you have tried to take over a outpost lately its already hard enough adding sentries is silly you might as well add concord while your at it. You essentially make frigates useless in 0.0 combat as well as dictors or anything cant cant tank a sentry gun. Blow up the sentries at the gates/stations, then bring in smaller ships like frigs and inties? I'm not saying add unkillable empire-style BS-pwning sentries, but if players are suppose to be able to build their own empire, then let them beable to actually build one. Having the ability to stick a bunch of deathstars and one outpost in a system, isn't much of an empire. then again, if people can atleast lockdown stargates, that might be good enough. Make it so when you go to warp into a system, if it's in lockdown, you get a popup saying that system XY-Z123 is in lockdown, and you may be stuck there for awhile. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Rivek Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:08:00 - [48] So what happened to implant harvesting?
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:15:00 - [49] Can't believe people don't mind small gang type pvp is basicly being killed with this. Welcome to the new age.Where 90% of all pvp will be trying to take a station from another alliance.No more outing of just going and killing sh**. Nope you must blob. --- CCP how about the pith X & A mods? "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Erotic Irony Sturm und Drang	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:15:00 - [50] Quote: ...let them beable to actually build one. Having the ability to stick a bunch of deathstars and one outpost in a system, isn't much of an empire. As long as these player gate sentries are destructable, consume ammo, require fuel, have a small fuel capacity and are a complete hassle to manage then full speed ahead. Me thinks if they repeat the logic of tower's emailing when fuel is low for sentry aggression, this new system is going to be fantastically bug ridden, I mean, streamlined. Alternatively, how are they going to be seeded--like warp bubbles BPOs or prebuilt from NPC stations? Alternatively, if CCP is serious about this empire idea they needs to wake up and raise the standing limit on corps and add more bureacratic elements to corp management--Contracts are presumably only the begining. Sadly, I suspect we're in for a rude awakening, like with unintuitive audit log cans, when alot of this content goes live. Avon: For the love of all the is holy, do as the man says CCP.
Erotic Irony Sturm und Drang	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:39:00 - [51] Originally by: xeom 90% of all pvp will be trying to take a station from another alliance.No more outing of just going and killing sh**. You give alliances too much credit. Small gangs are consistently more fun, coordinated and potentially more destructive then a cumbersome alliance with a myriad of alts and antisocials. Avon: For the love of all the is holy, do as the man says CCP.
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:41:00 - [52] Originally by: xeom Can't believe people don't mind small gang type pvp is basicly being killed with this. Welcome to the new age.Where 90% of all pvp will be trying to take a station from another alliance.No more outing of just going and killing sh**. Nope you must blob. personally hope that you are wrong... would be very sad if this was the case. yes - it seem like 'player empire' are going to get stronger... but with that come a new 'sense of security' and 'carebear blob' that will take place in the heart of 0.0. these 'islands' will provide targets like never before, and imagine (hope) that it will be near impossible for alliances to build more then small 'islands' (logistics). if anything - there will be more fat targets... not less for the small gang, and solo pvper. IWHO of course... if you are right - then __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks
rodgerd Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Swor low sec is abandoned, Well, gee, if camping places like Old Man Star and Egg so heavily as to make them perfect kill zones drives your prey to find something more interesting to do than transfer ISK to your wallet, whose fault is that?
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:57:00 - [54] Do you really have 25,245 distinct builds of this game? That must be one hell of a SVN repository you have! --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
R1pp3r Gallente Evil Monkeys	Posted - 2006.09.27 04:35:00 - [55] I'm not looking for an exact date but something like "2 months maybe 4" would make me happy.
Coran Ordus Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 05:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Hllaxiu Do you really have 25,245 distinct builds of this game? That must be one hell of a SVN repository you have! I doubt they have 25k published versions. More likely it's the change # at which the code was built. So there have been 25,245 submissions into the main codeline. (Which, _in theory_ could be turned into 25,245 versions, but in practice there are a few sanctified numbers that are Castor, RMR, etc.)
Zarta Blastaphart Gallente Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.27 05:54:00 - [57] For heavens sake fix wardec'ing... make it more expemsive to declare war on another corp or alliance AND AND !! Give us a means of declaring vendetta on another player, kind of a mini-war.... just think how many less macro-miners would be hiding in nOOb corps .. just one small benefit that I can think of right off-hand Regards Zarta
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.09.27 05:58:00 - [58] Tech2 versions of Tier2 BC's ? (Having maxed up skills for those goodies means that having more variety is g00d). Tech2 BS's will be Heavy Command Ships? What are the upcoming hidden nerfs? Any change we get info before it happens? Unnerf Amarr!Ö "I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.27 06:01:00 - [59] Originally by: "kieron" "This is, of course, a byproduct of many people blogging and the authors talking about what they are working on and what they feel to be interesting. It's also a side-effect that blogs are taken very seriously, which they shouldn't really be as they are blogs." Blogs are the only free communication between the devs and the players, so of course we tend to trust what they say. :) That reminds me btw.... you mentioned irc dev chats might come back, where players can ask questions about the meaning and life and stuff. Still planning for it? :) And all this new stuff thats coming in Kali... it will be pretty confusing to know how it all works at first. I think you can expect alot of people going on the test server just to learn about Kali when it shows up... I think you might need a player limit on the test cluster to not crash it. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.27 06:45:00 - [60] Originally by: Zarta Blastaphart For heavens sake fix wardec'ing... make it more expemsive to declare war on another corp or alliance AND AND !! Give us a means of declaring vendetta on another player, kind of a mini-war.... just think how many less macro-miners would be hiding in nOOb corps .. just one small benefit that I can think of right off-hand Originally by: Oveur However, note I said warfare. Kali 2 adds and improves all warfare, for corporations, alliances and factions alike. Improving warfare? Read first next time. Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy... ...and ijust reached it ahaha... this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer [limegreen]I a

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