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zoumau
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:17:00 -
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So capitals get nerfed from missions and complexes, A few days after the ascn titan gets ingame. No instapopping of a 10/10 complex level allowed?
Guess CCP got a bit spooky about complexes and titans running them like lvl 1 missions.
On the other hand, I guess the carrier market has collapsed now. No more lvl 4 low sec mission runners in carriers. I bet some people feel kinda screwed after training for them.
More faction BS will be around and who knows, people might even take their half useless carebear carrier into pvp now.
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Purgatori
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:20:00 -
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Where it could of been done i guess , i hope you know a Titan's Dooms day weapon acutally uses resouces to do, so ant all " go doomsday everything "
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 27/09/2006 16:22:43
 Originally by: zoumau
I bet some people feel kinda screwed after training for them.
lol, if you trained for carrier only to do lv4 missions then......wel I dont know what to say really.
But its wrong.
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Ichabod Crane
Gallente
LFC
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:23:00 -
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a doomsday weapon can be remotely fired at a cynofield in the system. So how exactly would this nerf titans in respect to complexes?
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Idara
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ichabod Crane
a doomsday weapon can be remotely fired at a cynofield in the system. So how exactly would this nerf titans in respect to complexes?
He beat me.
Send disposable ship into complex. Set up cyno. BOOOOOOM!
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zoumau
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ichabod Crane
a doomsday weapon can be remotely fired at a cynofield in the system. So how exactly would this nerf titans in respect to complexes?
U sure about that, I hear the other half of people say u actually have to jump in and activate the doomsady which takes out the grid where it is activated.
But hell I'm just a noob, never got further than BS 5, and killing a few carriers/dreads.
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:26:00 -
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It's not about ASCN and their titan in their plex, it's about those ****s that farm 10/10 in curse/catch 4 ebay. 
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:26:00 -
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Heh more screwed than you know....
A whole year geared to nothing but capitals... skills.. about 40 billion isk invested..
But whatever, im off back into high sec to play now... its been 3 years since i last pitched a tent in highsec.. with no reasons (higher reward) to risk being in low sec... ccp's great wisdom has finaly pushed me back to highsec... a 0.9 system... not quite the 1.0 i started out in.. but close
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:27:00 -
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Cant open cyno in complexes.
All rejoice! No more uber rich carebears doing missions in carriers.
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Ichabod Crane
Gallente
LFC
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: zoumau
Originally by: Ichabod Crane
a doomsday weapon can be remotely fired at a cynofield in the system. So how exactly would this nerf titans in respect to complexes?
U sure about that, I hear the other half of people say u actually have to jump in and activate the doomsady which takes out the grid where it is activated.
But hell I'm just a noob, never got further than BS 5, and killing a few carriers/dreads.
Its a feature that has been mentioned several times 
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:27:00 -
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the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: zoumau
U sure about that, I hear the other half of people say u actually have to jump in
You heard wrong.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/09/2006 16:22:43
Originally by: zoumau
I bet some people feel kinda screwed after training for them.
lol, if you trained for carrier only to do lv4 missions then......wel I dont know what to say really.
But its wrong.
People train for bigger and better things with more of a challenge in mind.. since ccp flat refuse to put any effort into pve content in the game (raising the bar) as it were.... lv5 maybe... to accommodate those people reaching those hights.... then yeah.. people have every right to be narked.
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:35:00 -
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I am glad they have gotten rid of the carriers in complexes. It's a win win situation for everyone except the carrier pilots. And if you skilled up for carriers just to run a complex then you are one pathetic idiot.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
People train for bigger and better things with more of a challenge in mind.
Ehh people train for carrier to do lv4 missions.........with CHALLENGE in mind?
Seriously, battleships is more than enough for lv4's. Anyone who trained for carrier just to do lv4 missions deserved this 'nerf' more than anyone.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ediz Daxx
All rejoice! No more uber rich carebears doing missions in carriers.
Missed the bigger picture though i think... i for one (ubber rich) will be heading with my fleet of ubber ships to a high sec missioning to continue to (carebear) isk from missions.
Nice rounded faction ships with officer mods.. slave/crystal implants.. no chance of them being ganked.... 
The reality you miss i think, ccp shoot themself in the foot
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
A whole year geared to nothing but capitals... skills.. about 40 billion isk invested..
40 billion? Where do you buy your stuff? I would like to put up sell orders there.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Galk
People train for bigger and better things with more of a challenge in mind.
Ehh people train for carrier to do lv4 missions.........with CHALLENGE in mind?
Seriously, battleships is more than enough for lv4's. Anyone who trained for carrier just to do lv4 missions deserved this 'nerf' more than anyone.
Read/quote the rest... that answers your question
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Nice rounded faction ships with officer mods.. slave/crystal implants.. no chance of them being ganked....
Soemwhere, I bet there is some trigger happy ceo reading this post of yours deciding to war dec you.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Ediz Daxx
All rejoice! No more uber rich carebears doing missions in carriers.
Missed the bigger picture though i think... i for one (ubber rich) will be heading with my fleet of ubber ships to a high sec missioning to continue to (carebear) isk from missions.
Nice rounded faction ships with officer mods.. slave/crystal implants.. no chance of them being ganked....
The reality you miss i think, ccp shoot themself in the foot
Youre not safe, youre not in a newb corp.
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Kusariqqu
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:40:00 -
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Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
Its unfair, every patch that comes out something gets nerfed never improved, if some1 want to train for a carrier just for lv 4 missions then let them. While ur there ccp why not make it so only frigs can go into complexes as well that would really improve the game.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:42:00 -
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Well future L5 missions should need a capship to complete i think.
Offcourse making missions so that it is actually beneficial to go in as a group would be of great help too.
So have the ability to gang accept a mission where the entire gang gets a piece of the reward/lp's, for balance u can make the missions harder and the rewards higher depending on the number of players in the group or sumthin, also every player in the gang needs to have good standing with the npc corp to be able to gang accept a mission. (u can still form a gang after u accepted it solo)
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Zuki Ed
Gallente
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:43:00 -
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I've planned to train for a Carrier ever since they came in game. Now the real training is starting. The goal of my carrier would be purely PvP to help my alliance defend our space, so no carebearing with it .
I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
Its unfair, every patch that comes out something gets nerfed never improved, if some1 want to train for a carrier just for lv 4 missions then let them. While ur there ccp why not make it so only frigs can go into complexes as well that would really improve the game.
Boo hoo hoo boo hoo hoo boo hooo hoo
Don't cry I have a plaster [ ::: [ ] ::: ]
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:45:00 -
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I think if you're going to bar capital ships from missions (specifically level 4), then you should also bar Battleships from Level 3 missions, Battlecruisers from Level 2, and Cruisers from Level 1. And no, it's not too hard to code because they already have this implimented for complexes.
It's not really fair to punish one group of people for bringing a gun to a knife fight =)
I personally don't use a capital ship for missions, but I know people who do and I know they trained it for the sole purpose of doing missions faster.
If they were never meant to be used for missions, which I don't understand the possible rationale behind, then I think the powers that be should have been more vocal about it.
Oh, and before I forget...the obligatory RABBLE, RABBLE RABBLE!
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
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Detavi Kade
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkbait
the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
Not complexes no, but missions, yes! Simply be at a bookmark in system where the mission will respawn....then....do a 'fake' warp to the start of the mission. Abort warp and see the mission get instantated around you. Now press that doomsday weapon and loot!
Unless there have been changes to this game mechanic to, individual mission levels are still farmable! People can be so resourcefull!
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: KadaEl
Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
Touchy git. For once i agree with an ISD mod and you should go have a healthy **** you carebear.
It was stated from day one that cap ships were not intended for use in complexes/missions/PVE. 
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: KadaEl
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
Are you on drugs?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions?
CCP did. End of discussion.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: KadaEl
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
Are you on drugs?
He must be a former WOW player, you know the ones that **** off to their female elf characters and have sex on the forums.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: KadaEl
Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
It is a bit off character for a mod to snap at a user. But I wanted to say exactly what he said. [;)]
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Touchy git. For once i agree with an ISD mod and you should go have a healthy **** you carebear.
It was stated from day one that cap ships were not intended for use in complexes/missions/PVE.
First of all, when you take that tone it totally devalues whatever you say next.
Secondly, I don't use a cap ships for complexes/missions/anything. Though, it still isn't fair to bar a certain type of ship from doing missions.
I'm not saying bring it back. Seeing a Dread enter a level 4 mission makes me die a little on the inside. No, what I'm saying is even the field. Ravens should not be allowed to do the same thing in level 3 missions what a Chimera did in level 4 missions.
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Inspiration
Originally by: Sharkbait
the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
Not complexes no, but missions, yes! Simply be at a bookmark in system where the mission will respawn....then....do a 'fake' warp to the start of the mission. Abort warp and see the mission get instantated around you. Now press that doomsday weapon and loot!
Unless there have been changes to this game mechanic to, individual mission levels are still farmable! People can be so resourcefull!
What are you talking about? If you warp to a plex-style mission it'll send you to the entrance. If you're doing something to prevent it from sending you to the entrance, that's called bug abuse.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: KadaEl
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
Are you on drugs?
Yes
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: KadaEl
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
Are you on drugs?
He must be a former WOW player, you know the ones that **** off to their female elf characters and have sex on the forums.
Wrong.
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Za Po
Originally by: KadaEl
Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
I'm sorry, but that's very immature for someone who is a forum moderator. You're supposed to stay at a respectable level, if you want to talk down to people then don't post with your ISD account.
It is a bit off character for a mod to snap at a user. But I wanted to say exactly what he said. [;)]
I'm not saying what was said was invalid, but thanks for understanding =)
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:10:00 -
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Unfortunatley kada it's the way of the eve board atm...
Unless it can be shot down as a whine or a rant, it doesn't qualify as a post (given most of the boards current population)
As constructive as me/you/others are with valid points all relating are... it will be shot down by the trolls and flamers that currently infest this board....
But you're right, it's sad to see moderators doing it too
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aeti
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkbait
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
slowboat it \:D/
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
Originally by: Sharkbait
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
slowboat it \:D/
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Powder Monkey
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Unfortunatley kada it's the way of the eve board atm...
Unless it can be shot down as a whine or a rant, it doesn't qualify as a post (given most of the boards current population)
As constructive as me/you/others are with valid points all relating are... it will be shot down by the trolls and flamers that currently infest this board....
But you're right, it's sad to see moderators doing it too
Doing what too? What bloody valid points? Who the hell are you to come here and tell the devs that they are WRONG? Suck it up and adapt and learn to fly a damn battleship properly.
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Nebuli
Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
Originally by: Sharkbait
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
slowboat it \:D/
CEO - Art of War
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MrBadidea
Caldari
Syndicate Of Shadows
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Ediz Daxx
All rejoice! No more uber rich carebears doing missions in carriers.
Missed the bigger picture though i think... i for one (ubber rich) will be heading with my fleet of ubber ships to a high sec missioning to continue to (carebear) isk from missions.
Nice rounded faction ships with officer mods.. slave/crystal implants.. no chance of them being ganked....
The reality you miss i think, ccp shoot themself in the foot
It's people like you that give mission runners a bad name.
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Lazy8s
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
Three things. First, you just opened yourself up to alot of incoming flames.
Secondly, as a programmer I know there is no such thing as "we didn't intend it but forgot to code it" on this sort of magnitude. If, however, by some CRAZY slip-up they DID forget to code it, they would have patched it within a week or so of carriers coming out. It is obvious they didn't think of it and they are now fixing a booboo which is ok, but don't say it was never intended but we "forgot" to code it for months. Obviously it was a quick, small fix.
Lastly, it was theirs to begin with and it did get taken away. They could do it before and now they can't. See? If CCP had come out 2 or 3 days later and said "we forgot to lock you out, this will be fixed in a week" then there would be no crying but that's not how it worked. CCP just needs to say "it was overpowered now live with it". By trying to cover themselves they are just looking like idiots or liers.
Now that's out of the way I agree with it. If you trained carrier just for lvl4 missions I empathise because that's alot of wasted time, however you should have seen this coming. Nothing that good ever lasts in an MMO.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:39:00 -
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Reminder: If you disagree with moderation Email Us
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
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i dont know whats wrong, but when i clicked on this email us button.
windows kept on popping up, every 1 second.
i had to close about 50 of em to stop it.
Edited out the old link just so that other people dont have problems -Eldo
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
i dont know whats wrong, but when i clicked on this email us button.
windows kept on popping up, every 1 second.
i had to close about 50 of em to stop it.
i just used the HTML "mailto:" option. Anyways i removed it.
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luckless
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
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you know im sorry but there was nothing in that post by you that was any way a moderation issue you were not moderating the forum you were answering a question posed by a poster not moderating the forum in it self. They have every right by the forum rules to say aything back at you they want please reread the forum rules yourself if your going to be posting them to try and chastize someone else please.
Now with that said i agree that it was said that the devs didnt want cap ships in the complex's.
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Ilya Murametz
Caldari
Hybonashi Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: luckless
Originally by: Eldo Davip
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you know im sorry but there was nothing in that post by you that was any way a moderation issue you were not moderating the forum you were answering a question posed by a poster not moderating the forum in it self. They have every right by the forum rules to say aything back at you they want please reread the forum rules yourself if your going to be posting them to try and chastize someone else please.
Now with that said i agree that it was said that the devs didnt want cap ships in the complex's.
Thank you and exactly Luckless, i'm taking it this a little higher now, this is a joke!
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What lvl can I start PvP ?
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Dr Progenitor
Alternate Life Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
You know, I can't fly a capital ship, nor am I in any uber corp/alliance, but what I want to know is that how can CCP help the people that were just about to do the super complexes with capital ships and there have been established corps/alliances making hundreds of billions doing this for the past few months? Whether you intentionally meant to prevent capital ships from doing complexes is inconsequential. They have been, and now there up and coming corp/alliances are out on the street cold while the strong corp/alliances have been exploiting for the past few months solidifying their base.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: luckless
Originally by: Eldo Davip
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you know im sorry but there was nothing in that post by you that was any way a moderation issue you were not moderating the forum you were answering a question posed by a poster not moderating the forum in it self. They have every right by the forum rules to say aything back at you they want please reread the forum rules yourself if your going to be posting them to try and chastize someone else please.
Now with that said i agree that it was said that the devs didnt want cap ships in the complex's.
I did not say that with regards to any specific post, it was just a general reminder. I was preventing the thread from being derailed.
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Originally by: Lazy8s
Three things. First, you just opened yourself up to alot of incoming flames.
No he didnt, but 'not so gifted' people would have issues with understanding what he wrote thus making a fool out of themselves.
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Secondly, as a programmer I know there is no such thing as "we didn't intend it but forgot to code it" on this sort of magnitude.
DO you work for CCP ? Thats right, stfu.
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It is obvious they didn't think of it and they are now fixing a booboo which is ok, but don't say it was never intended but we "forgot" to code it for months. Obviously it was a quick, small fix.
Even if things are like you claim....CCP Godzilla, you Japan.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:31:00 -
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How can you play eve long enough to get a carrier without understanding what eve is all about?
Its time to make capital ships only useable in 0.0 so the idiots don't even get the option.
If you are so upset by this, then just leave the game. You won't be missed.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 19:06:00 -
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Well there is one thing about this that is bad imo. While I agree that a carrier is significant overkill for lvl 4 missions, I was hoping they would fit in with the "Fleet" concept of lvl 5 missions when they get introduced. Since all missions are going the route of deadspace, I guess lvl 5's will either never come about, or be battleship only. Not exactly a "Fleet" when capital ships are excluded.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: loony thezoon
How can you play eve long enough to get a carrier without understanding what eve is all about?
I don't see gold bars on your post. You don't decide what EVE is about.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kusariqqu
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Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
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CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
kind of a big oops huh? i mean how many trillions have been made between now and when capitals came out. i am not ****ed about the change as i cannot fly a carrier anyways. i am ****ed about the timing. people have made billions upon billions doing these things in capital ships and now 9+ months later a patch is put out to fix it.
to me ccp saw a large wave of characters about to get carriers and decided to stop it before they could start the missions. ccp should have fixed this back in say febuary before every mission runner had one.
as far as lvl 4s are easy in a bs yes maybe but you have done the low sec cosmos missions either then. get back to me after you try and go at that thing with anything other than a fleet of bs. you may finish it then but you will still lose alot.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:36:00 -
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Those getting at Eldo , back off and listen to yourselves for a second, eh? CCP finally closed a big hole in mission running. Carriers were not meant for mission running, they are logistics and support ships for fleet and group fights, all you need to do is take a look at the bonuses the ships get (not to mention no turret/launcher hardpoints).
And if you are thinking of arguing that they would then still be valid mission ships as they could support offensive ships inside the mission, now you're making an assumption, namely that missions were ever meant to be run in groups. If that were the case, CCP would have introduced even a basic form of reward sharing already (bounty sharing is hardly relevant in this matter, as it applies outside of missions too). I can't decide what I think about lowsec complexes though. Those are often very hard and definately require groups to run, so it's not clear to me if they should be allowed in complexes or not.
So, those that trained carriers for lowsec mission running. I can sympathise with you being angry over your multi-billion investment no longer being usable for what you wanted, but I don't sympathise with you for getting angry at the devs for finally fixing something that was - in their own words - unintended. I also don't sympathise with you getting angry at a moderator for slapping you across the face to break you out of your hysteria, so to speak.
Explain why you feel it should be reversed, don't resort to this "omfg ure bneig unprfoessionall!!11" bickering.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 27/09/2006 20:44:07
Originally by: Eldo Davip
I did not say that with regards to any specific post, it was just a general reminder. I was preventing the thread from being derailed.
As you were discussing action taken by yourself, a moderator...
Please dont discuss moderation, it is against the rules.
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Heh more screwed than you know....
A whole year geared to nothing but capitals... skills.. about 40 billion isk invested..
But whatever, im off back into high sec to play now... its been 3 years since i last pitched a tent in highsec.. with no reasons (higher reward) to risk being in low sec... ccp's great wisdom has finaly pushed me back to highsec... a 0.9 system... not quite the 1.0 i started out in.. but close
Skills for carrier: 900m
Carrier: 1bn
Faction fittin/fighters: 1bn
Total: 2.9bn
What did you spend the other 37bn on?
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:47:00 -
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Can I also suggest that the Mission designer relooks at low sec cosmos? I have heard of faction fitted lvl4 afk solo Battleships, that actually get killed in 1 or 2 volleys in these uber mission!
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkbait
the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
can you stop the ore/mineral hauling done by carriers and dreads also?
it makes hauling through 0.0 a total no risk operation.
you have more risk hauling anything in empire then they do in their haulers.
bring back the risk in getting their ore to market, force them to guard convoys if they want safety.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
lol, if you trained for carrier only to do lv4 missions then......wel I dont know what to say really.
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Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
Originally by: Sharkbait
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
slowboat it \:D/
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Skills for carrier: 900m
Carrier: 1bn
Faction fittin/fighters: 1bn
Total: 2.9bn
What did you spend the other 37bn on?
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Inspiration
Originally by: Sharkbait
the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
Not complexes no, but missions, yes! Simply be at a bookmark in system where the mission will respawn....then....do a 'fake' warp to the start of the mission. Abort warp and see the mission get instantated around you. Now press that doomsday weapon and loot!
Unless there have been changes to this game mechanic to, individual mission levels are still farmable! People can be so resourcefull!
What are you talking about? If you warp to a plex-style mission it'll send you to the entrance. If you're doing something to prevent it from sending you to the entrance, that's called bug abuse.
Warp to a location inside the mission, make a BM, after DT, warp to that location, then let the mission instantiate by means of that fake warp. Thats how you get a capital ship or any other for that matter in a spot it normaly would not get. This trick aloows you fo continue your mission after DT or a crash (if you make frequent bookmarks), so its useful. Yet it can be used for this kind of thing to! Not that its useful to bring a capital in mission IMHO, a good BS does the job far faster!
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Inspiration==
Warp to a location inside the mission, make a BM, after DT, warp to that location, then let the mission instantiate by means of that fake warp. Thats how you get a capital ship or any other for that matter in a spot it normaly would not get. This trick aloows you fo continue your mission after DT or a crash (if you make frequent bookmarks), so its useful. Yet it can be used for this kind of thing to! Not that its useful to bring a capital in mission IMHO, a good BS does the job far faster!
i`m pretty sure this will not work, however, i will be looking at it tomorrow and if it does work, it will get fixed thank's for bringing it to our attention.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
ahhhh words of wisdom only a fool would argue over. nice one!
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Inspiration==
Warp to a location inside the mission, make a BM, after DT, warp to that location, then let the mission instantiate by means of that fake warp. Thats how you get a capital ship or any other for that matter in a spot it normaly would not get. This trick aloows you fo continue your mission after DT or a crash (if you make frequent bookmarks), so its useful. Yet it can be used for this kind of thing to! Not that its useful to bring a capital in mission IMHO, a good BS does the job far faster!
i`m pretty sure this will not work, however, i will be looking at it tomorrow and if it does work, it will get fixed thank's for bringing it to our attention.
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The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
i`m pretty sure this will not work, however, i will be looking at it tomorrow and if it does work, it will get fixed thank's for bringing it to our attention.
Its nice to know people are stupid enough to post "here is the bug I use to break the rules" posts in a thread that mods are speaking in. Darwin at work ITT.
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Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:21:00 -
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Hmm Im not too familiar with cap ships myself, but what prevents some1 from gettin inside a complex (static or mission) with a capital ship if the pilot gets some1 in a ship with a cyno field generator equiped to setup a cyno inside the complex stage and then the capital ship jumps in? Capitals dont even need accel gates and jumping isnt warp so it isnt prevented from the natural warping phenominon.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:22:00 -
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you cannot deploy a cyno field in deadspace
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Exiled One on 27/09/2006 22:24:33
Originally by: Jiekon
you cannot deploy a cyno field in deadspace
Jiekon 4tw and ISD 4tw
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:26:00 -
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What about figthers themselves? Can they be assigned to another ship and taken into deadspace that way?
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Achura
What about figthers themselves? Can they be assigned to another ship and taken into deadspace that way?
nope, fighters will not follow you thru deadspace gates either.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Ms Achura
What about figthers themselves? Can they be assigned to another ship and taken into deadspace that way?
nope, fighters will not follow you thru deadspace gates either.
Ah, very good
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Achura
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Ms Achura
What about figthers themselves? Can they be assigned to another ship and taken into deadspace that way?
nope, fighters will not follow you thru deadspace gates either.
Ah, very good
Yes  Feel the whines, feel the agony, carebears won't be able to solo lvl5s when they come out
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Ms Achura
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Ms Achura
What about figthers themselves? Can they be assigned to another ship and taken into deadspace that way?
nope, fighters will not follow you thru deadspace gates either.
Ah, very good
Yes Feel the whines, feel the agony, carebears won't be able to solo lvl5s when they come out
It's like a million voices cried out...
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:51:00 -
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So capitals get nerfed from missions and complexes
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:06:00 -
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offtopic:
for the ppl that have something against ppl that run plexes in carriers and other:
You know guys there is not a right or a wrong way to play a game... why do people have to say that it is wrong to mine in a bs dread or whatever , make plex with a carrier etc ?
EACH INDIVIDUAL DECIDES THE WAY HE PLAYS THE GAME , it is a freking game and each guy plays it in his own style he plays it how he whants !
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Basicly ccp whants us not to have isk. i meen if you have a carrier and run 8/10 plexes it is clear that you play eve for a looong time...
i see nothing wrong in doing plexes with a carrier and ill say why ? its because the demn t2 blueprints ... havy asssault cruisers go for over 200 mil ... that is insane .... but ok ppl can put prices how they whant .. then again ccp shuts down all isk making oportunites, basicly this game is just what it use to be .... battleships will always rule... hacs are to expensive , carriers are jsut for ppl who buy isk off ebay... get the picture ? |
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Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 27/09/2006 23:22:36
Originally by: Butter Dog
What did you spend the other 37bn on?
Ohh me..
Well i bought all the capital construction prints... own a few dread prints, a couple of the carrier prints, and a couple of the freighter prints.
Bought my first dread for 2.5, built another.... Both were lost running missions.
Skilling up for me and the alt...
Currently in service i have 3 carrier and 3 dreads... obviously all modded and such...
Around about 40 billion that lot
Why.... well i have my alt in a corp i build capital ships for, at mineral cost..... i did the lot as much to serve them, as myself....
Nice huh... name another person in the game that would throw that sort of personal investment and hard graft not to turn a profit
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Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: prathe on 27/09/2006 23:28:48
well first i agree with " if people want to use carriers in plexes they should be alowed to " the exploit was certain people were just running plexes over and over and over again raking in ridiculous isk and items .
a more reasonable approach would be to limit the amount of times someone can run a plex within a period of time say once evry 48hrs
but hey ... that just me
BTW i bought my carrier the old fashioned way i npc'd for the isk
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Privateers
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:32:00 -
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Finally a positive change for missions. Does that mean these complexes that were being farmed were full of capitals too?
And it makes a little bit of fun of the people who were saying high sec missioning was risk free when the low seccers were using capitals to farm them.
And Galk, how the hell do you lose 2 dreadnoughts to missions? My Gist B fitted standard Raven can tank the entire WC guristas spawn and I think that would be the most DPS from a mission spawn in the game, with a dreadnought even if you crashed theres so much hp you should easily be able to survive.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Inspiration==
Warp to a location inside the mission, make a BM, after DT, warp to that location, then let the mission instantiate by means of that fake warp. Thats how you get a capital ship or any other for that matter in a spot it normaly would not get. This trick aloows you fo continue your mission after DT or a crash (if you make frequent bookmarks), so its useful. Yet it can be used for this kind of thing to! Not that its useful to bring a capital in mission IMHO, a good BS does the job far faster!
i`m pretty sure this will not work, however, i will be looking at it tomorrow and if it does work, it will get fixed thank's for bringing it to our attention.
See this right here is why I freakin <3 CCP/ISD. They may not always be the most diplomatic but they handle their stuff. I think that's a lot more important. And I totally agree with carriers not being able to go into lvl 4's. But I also support limiting other ships kind of like complexes except for the fact it requires a person to outfit a totally different ship. But thats a very minor downside.
You could just do it in a fashion where the mission detected the ship you did it in and adjusted the reward based off ship size + intended difficulty would give a + or - to the reward. So even if someone did manage to get into a lvl 4 with a carrier they'd make liek 200k ISK.
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Amarr
Shiva
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:40:00 -
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This boils down to
1: People tend to only hear what they want to hear.
2: People tend to ignore things that they don't want to hear.
Long before cap ships were in game the issue of whether they could jump through gates of any type was discussed over and over again. CCP has never waivered in their stance regarding this issue. That they could do so was due to a game bug, nothing more, nothing less.
If you wasted time and isk for this purpose, you have only yourself to blame.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:42:00 -
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Ok I have done in the past a lot of missions I will do so in the future I am sure the level that these mission are at cannot possibly justify anyone saying they should be allowed to be done in a carrier.
With only 20mil sp's (generalised not specc'd) I can do most lvl 4's that come my way and those I can't I shout for a mate to or two to help me with, why I would want to use a carrier to do this is beyond my reckoning.
I plan to train for carrier after I do Command Ships and Large Weapons Spec... I would not use this for running lvl 4 missions it will be used as was intended PvP and Corp Logistics.
As was said by a Dev/GM in another thread you Carriers should not be solo pwnmobiles.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:57:00 -
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ElweSingollo - it's not about the lvl 4's really but about the plexes in 0.0 and the insane quantaty of isk made,
still i think a carrier pilot deservs to make that kind of isk... i meen he did invest and train tonse of isk 'n skills
anyway.... as a solution i would see apropiate would not be...ban the ship coz ccp own the codes but ... whell lets say ElweSingollo has a carrier and runs a plex ... some one from the rival alliance can easyly discover that bring a fleet of bs and kill him...and there you go problem solved lol.... someting like that anyway... i just think that banning ships is wrong.
now , don't get me wrong but ok carriers are out of plexes we can live with that no prob.... but hey CCP do some plexes for for capital ships eh ? we who play since years are bored of ratting mineing and plex running in bs. since aggges ! or something we old players do need to make money somehow escpecialy with all the prices.....200+ mil a hac ...demn.....base price should be like 70-100 mil lol
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Abrah
ElweSingollo - it's not about the lvl 4's really but about the plexes in 0.0 and the insane quantaty of isk made,
still i think a carrier pilot deservs to make that kind of isk... i meen he did invest and train tonse of isk 'n skills
anyway.... as a solution i would see apropiate would not be...ban the ship coz ccp own the codes but ... whell lets say ElweSingollo has a carrier and runs a plex ... some one from the rival alliance can easyly discover that bring a fleet of bs and kill him...and there you go problem solved lol.... someting like that anyway... i just think that banning ships is wrong.
now , don't get me wrong but ok carriers are out of plexes we can live with that no prob.... but hey CCP do some plexes for for capital ships eh ? we who play since years are bored of ratting mineing and plex running in bs. since aggges ! or something we old players do need to make money somehow escpecialy with all the prices.....200+ mil a hac ...demn.....base price should be like 70-100 mil lol
OR ... how about a way to make money from PvP eh ? wouldent that make eve a much funner place to be ?
You are an idiot, I'd advise you to go play wow.
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Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Abrah
*snip*
OR ... how about a way to make money from PvP eh ? wouldent that make eve a much funner place to be ?
Two words- Fix Bounties. Please? Purty please? With Interceptors on top?
/me looks forward to the *possible* fix incoming on the Contract horizon......
Anyhow, on topic- When you try to go into a 1/10 complex in a cruiser, you get told "This Gate is not congigured for a ship of your size. You must use a frigate." or something to that tune. Each different complex has a max ship size. So it's not exatly a big change that Cap Ships can't fit in, is it?
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:42:00 -
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What this comes to is simple. A small group of PVE orientated individuals trained up for PVP orientated gear to use for thier mission running to make insane amounts of iss with little effort, skill, or risk. CCP has just removed their ability to make huge amounts of ISk with these ships. You will here mission runners argue that they trained up for Carriers for the sole purpose of running these missions and now thier ability to do so (Read: Make insanely huge amounts of money with no effort) has been removed from them, and they are now at a disadvantage (Read: They now have to sell their cap ships (Read: Epeen) to buy faction mods to farm in empire).
The fact of the matter is this is a case of people training up for a PVP based ship (Come on what else would a 1 billion ISK ship with gang mod bonuses and cap transfer arrays be intended for?), finding a way to exploit it for something else (Missioning) and then having the exploit removed. Its like saying: Dear CCP I trained up for a mining barge, why did you make it suck for PVP when I trained it just to PVP in?
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:58:00 -
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If you trained for Carriers to do level 4 missions then you're either incredibly lazy or stupid. Though i'm thinking the latter.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Abrah
OR ... how about a way to make money from PvP eh ? wouldent that make eve a much funner place for pirates to be?
Fixed.
If you're going to make PvP profitable its going to have to be through the correct implementations of bouty hunting, and trading killrights (see: Kali 1 and contracts *hopefully*).
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Posted - 2006.09.28 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkbait
the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
How about bookmarking a mission deadspace complex, and letting your buddy's carrier warp there before you, after the next downtime?
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M3ta
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.28 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Detavi Kade
Exotic Dancers! \o/
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.09.28 02:42:00 -
[96]
Originally by: prathe
Edited by: prathe on 27/09/2006 23:28:48
a more reasonable approach would be to limit the amount of times someone can run a plex within a period of time say once evry 48hrs
This is what I propose also. It's reasonable, and gives everyone a chance to do the complex. ATM, it's whoever logs on first (which is usually a european or some kid with no job) who gets the keys first etc. Yes, early bird gets the worm yaddayadda. If a complex can only be run once for an individual in a certain amount of time, then they can increase the spawn rates of complexes to something like 4 a day or whatever. There will always be asshats who will just have rotating groups of gangs doing it all the time but it's better than what we did have.
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Tas Devil
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.09.28 03:09:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
Not only is that poor attitude from a moderator...but your comment would only be valid if CCP had clearly stated what capital ships were for from the start... in reality they didn't and some capital ships are used as cargo transporters these days... was that intended ? does that mean we should expect that aspect of CS to be removed too ?
I remember a saying somewhere about twisting one's tongue 7 times in one's mouth before speaking ...
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JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.09.28 03:17:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Kusariqqu
Who said capitals shouldnt be used for missions? who made that crap up?
CCP, the people who make the game decided it. Unfortunately they forgot to code it in. They were never intended to do mission/complexes.
People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
Not only is that poor attitude from a moderator...but your comment would only be valid if CCP had clearly stated what capital ships were for from the start... in reality they didn't and some capital ships are used as cargo transporters these days... was that intended ? does that mean we should expect that aspect of CS to be removed too ?
I remember a saying somewhere about twisting one's tongue 7 times in one's mouth before speaking ...
For the over zealous moderators who feel they need to come help a friend who stepped in it... I am not discussing moderation here ... please read your own rules... I am disucssing te remark of a moderator on the topic... and the general snappyness of his remark...
If you are going to preach good attitude on the forums... might as well practise it...
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Posted - 2006.09.28 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkbait
the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
.. Fly?
I flew to the end of a serpents complex once in a zealot..
took forever.. but it got there.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.09.28 03:54:00 -
[100]
if CCP had clearly stated what capital ships were for from the start... in reality they didn't and some capital ships are used as cargo transporters these days... was that intended ? does that mean we should expect that aspect of CS to be removed too ?
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man your skull is too think for reality to soak thru eh ?
for the thousandth time, CCP has stated at the beginning, and on a number of occasions since that no capitals ships should have been, or be able to do missons, ect in.
capital ship are for pvp.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 03:56:00 -
[101]
My answer is still nerf ASCN.
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.09.28 06:26:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Inspiration==
Warp to a location inside the mission, make a BM, after DT, warp to that location, then let the mission instantiate by means of that fake warp. Thats how you get a capital ship or any other for that matter in a spot it normaly would not get. This trick aloows you fo continue your mission after DT or a crash (if you make frequent bookmarks), so its useful. Yet it can be used for this kind of thing to! Not that its useful to bring a capital in mission IMHO, a good BS does the job far faster!
i`m pretty sure this will not work, however, i will be looking at it tomorrow and if it does work, it will get fixed thank's for bringing it to our attention.
Let me know how it turns out.....I don't fly a carrier (I wish), but it works for any other ship I fly on level 4 missions.If you got trouble reproducing it even in a battleship, you problably are doing the wrong thing. Evemail me if you can't reproduce and I will test again on a level 4 mission with a BS!
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Red Knight
Gallente
The Royal Guard
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Posted - 2006.09.28 06:38:00 -
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I just can't believe how viciously the cowardly mission running carrier pilots are being attacked in here. Anytime there is a major nerf (or: bug fix, according to one's point of view) to one thing or another, people are bound to be upset, and I don't think any pro-carrier posts here cross the bounds of etiquette.
I was especially mad to see carrier pilots being called lazy. I decided to get a carrier back in April, as a straight profit strategy in this game. The devs hadn't moved to close the capship 'loop hole', and I, at the time, *bet* that capship mission running wouldn't be fundamentally altered until Kali, like many other capship mission runners.
As it turns out, I finally started running missions in my carrier last week, leaving me obviously distraught that my calculated strategy had more or less failed, and let me with a 2bil investment that, while a great asset to my corp's PvP, will probably never return the money I put into it. (Unless I mine veldspar for ten years with harvester drones.)
But to call mission runners lazy is out of line. To spend months saving isk and training skills requires time, effort, and dedication. Not everyone wants to sell into some 0.0 Alliance, not everyone wants to be a part of continous warfare-for-warfare's sake. I happen to love PvP, but it makes sense that carebears would want to play with the big toys too.
And I'm not mad at the devs here either, because they're just thinking about gameplay balance - running capships in level 4s is really easy, is essentially farming. But still I don't understand the level of dismissal and aggression against pilots who chose this route. It was a calculated profit strategy, no different then alliances who jealously guard their high level complexes and officer spawns, no different then those who speculate on the markets.
I just hope that all you flamers don't come and whine when the [insert-target-here] is struck by the nerf bat next.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 28/09/2006 06:56:25
Interesting, how people already try to find out ways to get their capitals into complexes anyway. If you manage to, it will be surely considered as an exploit after the patch anyway.
I mean what's so difficult to understand about that Capitals are not supposed to be able to enter complexes and deadspace missions and that it gets fixed ?
It surely isn't an invitation to find ways to get them there anyway.
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.09.28 07:08:00 -
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Galk - how on earth did you lose 2 dreads to a lvl 4?!
As I said in the other thread, those missions/plexes arnt designed with cap ships in mind. I mean c'mon, a command ship can solo them very fast. I would not see it as a waste of investment either, as even eve needs its 'outland' (sorry to reference wow) and your going to have to wait till lvl 5, 11-20 complexes are added which do have cap ships in mind and hopefully cap ship npc's.
personally, I didnt mind, lvl 4 cap ship use, i saw it as a capital invesment initiative that unlike low sec plexes presented a normal reward. However unlike wow, where experience or in our case, bounty, cannot be scaled by any rudimentry level which determines how easy an npc is for you. We make to make do with artificial limitations like this new one until npc missions/plexes are added which is adjusted for them.
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spurious signal
Caldari
Brainiacs
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Posted - 2006.09.28 07:47:00 -
[106]
Edited by: spurious signal on 28/09/2006 07:47:46
Originally by: Abrah
offtopic:
for the ppl that have something against ppl that run plexes in carriers and other:
You know guys there is not a right or a wrong way to play a game... why do people have to say that it is wrong to mine in a bs dread or whatever , make plex with a carrier etc ?
EACH INDIVIDUAL DECIDES THE WAY HE PLAYS THE GAME , it is a freking game and each guy plays it in his own style he plays it how he whants !
Actually that's not off-topic and it's also very, very wrong.
1) EVE is about risk vs reward. The more risk you take, the greater the reward should be. Taking carriers into complexes and missions breaks that paradigm completely by offering large rewards for no risk at all (apart from the hilarious loss by one person of 2 capital class ships to missions.... just... just LOL). This isn't about people playing how they want to, it's about people subverting the entire basis of the game.
2) CCP, you know, the people who own, write, design, run and control this game, have clearly and unequivocally stated in this thread that capital class ships aren't intended to run missions and complexes. They never intended them to do this. They have now fixed it so their intentions have to be adhered to. YOU don't choose how this game is run and what the rules are, CCP do.
I'm gonna have to say it again cos it's just amazingly funny... losing 2 capital ships to lvl 4 missions.... LOL, LOL and double LOL
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 08:19:00 -
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lol @ pretty much everything Galk said
lol @ people who use capships to 'PvE'
Actually, thinking about it, since PvE is essentially a means to an end, if a capital ship is part of the means, it must be one hell of an end you are working towards....
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Eron Lygera
Gallente
Sharded Awareness
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Posted - 2006.09.28 08:51:00 -
[108]
Originally by: KadaEl
... Though, it still isn't fair to bar a certain type of ship from doing missions.
Yes it its. Carriers are built for PvP warfare and stuff. Not so you can do NPC missions ... half AFK and whatnot ;-)
Originally by: KadaEl
Ravens should not be allowed to do the same thing in level 3 missions what a Chimera did in level 4 missions.
Totally Agree.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 09:45:00 -
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See this i don't understand, everytime i go into some easy complex at top hour in my destroyer that can easily manage it (it may be challanging in a frigate), there's some guy in a cruiser or even battleship a few times.
Why don't make restrictions on ship size per individual gate ? So a certain complex only allow ships that makes sense, or a certain low-level mission dosen't allow ships over a certain size ?
This way you can prevent level 4 mission from being run, but allow carriers for a specific few hard complexes or for future higher level missions.
Not that i ever intend to get a carrier, but just asking.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.09.28 09:51:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Tas Devil
does that mean we should expect that aspect of CS to be removed too ?
We can only hope, hauling capitals is really broken too :/
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Tas Devil
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.09.28 09:57:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Gonada
if CCP had clearly stated what capital ships were for from the start... in reality they didn't and some capital ships are used as cargo transporters these days... was that intended ? does that mean we should expect that aspect of CS to be removed too ?
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man your skull is too think for reality to soak thru eh ?
for the thousandth time, CCP has stated at the beginning, and on a number of occasions since that no capitals ships should have been, or be able to do missons, ect in.
capital ship are for pvp.
There is no need to suggest my skull is thick (not think) young padawan...
Althought you are right it is also thick to shield the pety insults one gets for discussing issues on this forum...
You claim CCP said such thing ... and to be honest I clearly don't remember it... my point is about the fact that there was never an official annoucement about capital ships in a PVE or complex running role... nor was there a clear and quick patch to address the issue as soon as some of us started petioning their use in complexes...and the work around to get them in complexes... what I'm talking about is profesionalism on the part of ccp and a clear and consistant message...
I do not disagree that the CS should not be used in plexes... and neither do I disagree that CCP has the right to change their mind on the issue... but its how its done that matters... a 'urgent' patch (read 'we didn't have time to tell the comms people or they forgot the notice on their desk') with less then 16 hrs notice is NOT the proper way to deploy sucgh changes... because after 6 months of waiting there was nothing urgent anymore about CS in complexes...
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Posted - 2006.09.28 10:00:00 -
[112]
spurious signal - you got me wrong dude , it's about the hostility on this forum.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
Liberate Vos Ex Inferis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:22:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 28/09/2006 11:25:35
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Inspiration==
Warp to a location inside the mission, make a BM, after DT, warp to that location, then let the mission instantiate by means of that fake warp. Thats how you get a capital ship or any other for that matter in a spot it normaly would not get. This trick aloows you fo continue your mission after DT or a crash (if you make frequent bookmarks), so its useful. Yet it can be used for this kind of thing to! Not that its useful to bring a capital in mission IMHO, a good BS does the job far faster!
Yester day after patch my client crashed. When i loged back on the ship was warped into the deadspace with out using the acceleration gate. So there surly are codes in the game allowing a ship to warp into the deadspace with out activating any gates.
i`m pretty sure this will not work, however, i will be looking at it tomorrow and if it does work, it will get fixed thank's for bringing it to our attention.
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Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:17:00 -
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all of you using the word exploit when talking about using capital ships in deadspace are wrong. if it where a exploit ccp would have banned all the people doing for using a "exploit" back in early part of the year after they came out. CCP allowed capital ships in there, the intended use has nothing to do with it. to me ccp underestimated the drive of the eve community, dont think they thought everyone and there mother would train to do mission with carriers.
At present time carriers are only good if you are in defending an area. this is part of the game alot of people dont have to worry about. so when the other part of the games players want them and use them for what they want and start making huge jack people get ****ed and call them "lazy" or whatever.
Point is ccp allowed people to make huge money using carriers in complexs and now that a vast majority of people have RECENTLY sunk there time and money into training for them to get in on the action ccp has stepped in to stop it.
by the way i dont own a carrier or run many missions, just calling it like i see it.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:49:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/09/2006 13:50:14
To be honest - I dont really see the point of no carriers in missions - Remember all carrier missions are low sec, and there have been many many carriers that have been destroyed while missionrunning.
Anyhow - CCP need to loot at low sec cosmos - they are close to impossible without carriers. Well, I guess a raven + 2 Shield Logistic ships can do it. Assuming the raven can tank the first volley...
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 14:07:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/09/2006 13:50:14
To be honest - I dont really see the point of no carriers in missions - Remember all carrier missions are low sec, and there have been many many carriers that have been destroyed while missionrunning.
Anyhow - CCP need to loot at low sec cosmos - they are close to impossible without carriers. Well, I guess a raven + 2 Shield Logistic ships can do it. Assuming the raven can tank the first volley...
Yes and those missions are working as intended. The whole idea of complexes is like instances in WoW if you'll pardon the metaphore. The idea is that solo its next to impossible and that you should bring friends. One to tank it, some to heal the tank,and the rest to put out the damage. If you want to solo them sell that 2bil carrier and get some faction mods and heck you could probably buy a decent alt aswell.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 14:12:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Matrix Aran
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/09/2006 13:50:14
To be honest - I dont really see the point of no carriers in missions - Remember all carrier missions are low sec, and there have been many many carriers that have been destroyed while missionrunning.
Anyhow - CCP need to loot at low sec cosmos - they are close to impossible without carriers. Well, I guess a raven + 2 Shield Logistic ships can do it. Assuming the raven can tank the first volley...
Yes and those missions are working as intended. The whole idea of complexes is like instances in WoW if you'll pardon the metaphore. The idea is that solo its next to impossible and that you should bring friends. One to tank it, some to heal the tank,and the rest to put out the damage. If you want to solo them sell that 2bil carrier and get some faction mods and heck you could probably buy a decent alt aswell.
If you have seen that mission - Think Enemies Abound with all the rats from all the stages spawned together in 1 clump. 1-2 Volly kills a battleship, the same battleship that can afk all lvl4's, before they get a repair in! This is not teamwork - this is hoping that your have a pile of logistic ships repairing you while you pray not to get instapoped.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 14:43:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Dolly Parton on 28/09/2006 14:45:29
Originally by: Exiled One
It's not about ASCN and their titan in their plex, it's about those ****s that farm 10/10 in curse/catch 4 ebay.
i could be wrong but when i looked at map for complexes/deadspaces I was only able to find a 6/10 in catch. nothing higher.
also CCP has screwed with missions so much i just don't even bother. my command agent gave me 2 courier missions in a row. hello its command mission. then when they did give me a mission (lvl 4) it didn't even pay 1/2 as much as i got 6 months ago. so thanx ccp for f'ing that part of the game for me.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 14:43:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Exiled One
It's not about ASCN and their titan in their plex, it's about those ****s that farm 10/10 in curse/catch 4 ebay.
i could be wrong but when i looked at map for complexes/deadspaces I was only able to find a 6/10 in catch. nothing higher.
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Infinity Ziona
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 15:51:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Vicious Ellipse
Originally by: Sharkbait
the change to complexes was not done because of the titan. capital ships were never meant to go into complex's and therefore was going to be stopped. the fix was done about 2 weeks back, maybe 3 but we just needed to wait til we can patch both server and client to deploy the fix.
afaik there is no way to get a capital ship into deadspace complexes
How about bookmarking a mission deadspace complex, and letting your buddy's carrier warp there before you, after the next downtime?
As soon as any ship, not just the missioner, tries to enter the deadspace area the deadspace is spawned and the warp point is adjusted.
I know this since I use an alt to spawn and complete some of Infinity's missions when Infinity is busy elsewhere.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.28 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 28/09/2006 16:36:37
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
And Galk, how the hell do you lose 2 dreadnoughts to missions?
I like to smoke a lot, unfortunatley the policy on my home insurance forbids me from doing so in the house..
First time i was drafting a forum post after warping into zors mob... 2nd time id whiped out back for a****.... Needless to say both times id forgot to turn the reps on
As for training it, as a lot of people seem to be saying 'if you only trained dreads and carriers to run missions'
Not realy so (well im my case anyway) it was said to the people i was dealing with to help me build my first dread many times.... i fancied the challenge on my own..
To be flat honest, it was 2003 all over again.. ramming for my first battleship.. thats what it felt like... mining my own minerals... asking for mineral deals on the parts.. building what i could from bpc's...
I pushed it one step futher when i decided to go for all the prints... many many missions later (along with quick selling implants to resellers) i achieved it... and as i said earlier, i spread the love around
Life for me in eve is about setting personal goals, pretty much what keeps me interested..
Currently i search another
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 22:30:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Abrah
ElweSingollo - it's not about the lvl 4's really but about the plexes in 0.0 and the insane quantaty of isk made,
still i think a carrier pilot deservs to make that kind of isk... i meen he did invest and train tonse of isk 'n skills
anyway.... as a solution i would see apropiate would not be...ban the ship coz ccp own the codes but ... whell lets say ElweSingollo has a carrier and runs a plex ... some one from the rival alliance can easyly discover that bring a fleet of bs and kill him...and there you go problem solved lol.... someting like that anyway... i just think that banning ships is wrong.
now , don't get me wrong but ok carriers are out of plexes we can live with that no prob.... but hey CCP do some plexes for for capital ships eh ? we who play since years are bored of ratting mineing and plex running in bs. since aggges ! or something we old players do need to make money somehow escpecialy with all the prices.....200+ mil a hac ...demn.....base price should be like 70-100 mil lol
OR ... how about a way to make money from PvP eh ? wouldent that make eve a much funner place to be ?
I do have a little experience of running plexes in 0.0 and where carriers were used to run them (with support), Carriers with limited or no support were extremely vulnerable when running the some of the 10/10's (dunno about the lower ones) I know off the top of my head off about 5 or 6 carriers ganked while in a 10/10 in the neck of the woods I was in so there is a risk there.
But that is an old issue carriers were stopped from entering 0.0 complexs quite some months ago more than 5 I think as it happened about the time I left 0.0 space and the alliance I was in. The issue here is that you are no longer allowed to use them in lvl 4 missions which imho is absolutely the way it should be lvl 4 missions should not be insanely easy which if you were in a carrier they would be.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ichabod Crane
a doomsday weapon can be remotely fired at a cynofield in the system. So how exactly would this nerf titans in respect to complexes?
Because you can't open cynos in deadspace maybe.
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