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Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:40:00 - [31] They need to get people out of high sec systems and into low sec and the only way to do that is to remove the good roids from high sec space. If you had the amount of cruisers and battleships you have mining in 1.0 systems in your .4 and under systems you wouldn't have to be an anus and kill people at jumpgates. So you can leave the guns there and let people into the system and instead kill them at the roids. Imagine your in a battleship mining in a unsecure system with a ton of ore and 2mil in drones. Your more likely to try to fight back to preserve your assets then if you jumped into a system at a gate where insta-warping out loses you nada. And even if you do warp, you still get their drones and ore if you want it. Obligatory "IMHO" Infinity
Dukath	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:42:00 - [32] step 1, remove highway step 2, put some 0.0 systems between enemy factions so no more safe travelling from amarr-> minmatar problem solved
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:44:00 - [33] All the people that say no to sentry guns at .4 and lower space are only saying no because they like to be untouched when they go threw it. **** im sure its great but its really unbalanced. Why you say? Because u make millions a day, afk, unharmed, not worried, easily and fast. Thats the whole point of pirating is to make blockades, kill indies, make profit, charge tolls, play the role of a damn pirate. 85% of eve is protected by godly concord/sentry guns soon to be 90%. That 10% leaves empty space occupied by a small 1% of mega corps mining bistot which have tons of battleships. ---
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:45:00 - [34] Jesus Tank are you stupid or what. Perhaps 0.0 space is empty BECAUSE of gate camping pirate scum. Just think how much more fun you would have if players whisked around all the 0.0 sectors. Because of Gate camping they wont. Why risk anything in 0.0 space if at any warp point there is a 50% chance of losing your ship and your haul and THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. If all these garenteed hit camping spots are closed you will see lots of people in 0.0 space. Youll have to work for it then wont you. It will require planning. Guile and cunning not patince and a ******* big ship. Shut up with the whining and deal with it. Your going to have to develope some tactics rather than: Ooo small .. attack. Ooo big ... RUN!! FFS
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:48:00 - [35] Quote: Pirates are outcasted thiefs and murders in small, fast and agile ships. They prey on the weak, have to do with what they can steal or buy overpriced items at the black market. I doubt tha a bunch of battleship-equipped campers fit into that description, and the presence of sentry guns, billboards and ueber concord everywhere in empire space indicates that CCP thinks the same. But instead of making suggestions how real piracy could work, you insist on your camping strategy. That way you force the dev's to include even stronger wannabe-pirate countermeasures with the side effect that real piracy is next to impossible. You are basically griefing yourself. Sad thing is that you do not even recognize it ... No man, i was playing the game, do you see CCP nerfing miners because they insisted on mining to much? CCP took reactions because you/most of you guys whined on the forums because you couldnt mine/trade and make millions of money untouched easily. You whine cause you couldnt do this easyily. You whined cause you lost your ship and your cargo. When you guys blow up our ships, do you see us whining on the forums and saying 'this is unfair, he blew up my ship'? ---
Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:50:00 - [36] Yeah thats a good idea Dukath. As well as that they could diversify some of the player used commodity's so that it HAS to be transported from one area to another (minmatar -> Amarr). At the moment you don't need to move anything to another region of space because its spread evenly across the entire galaxy. You can get it whereever you are. Infinity
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:52:00 - [37] Quote: step 1, remove highway step 2, put some 0.0 systems between enemy factions so no more safe travelling from amarr-> minmatar problem solved I've been saying the same thing for ages now LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
eve player 70	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:53:00 - [38] Quote: We still cant camp in empire space when they do fix that. 0.0 space is empty and i dont pay 12$ a month just to get 1 ship per hour. Oh man you just make it too easy, I would think there is a significant number of people that would happy if you just stopped paying your $12 and faded into oblivion As for you being a pirate, you are not a pirate you are a griefer. Get it through your head, pirates rob their victims, you and others of your ilk merely gank anything they see and generally spoil others gameplay. Answer me this if you have the bollox, what fun is there in ganking at a jump in? remember I said "fun" not profit. If the game ceases to be fun anymore, you may want to have a serious think about if this game is for you at all. Now transfer that thought, and ask yourself what fun it is for a noob to get ganked at a jump in, with out any hope of defense. None at all, if anything they will just stop playing and look for another game where they actually have a chance of defending themselves. Ergo, you (the griefers) are killing the game better than the devs ever could. Ok, now dont get me wrong, this game needs pirates, what it doesn't need is griefers. On a personal note I cant wait until CCP wakes up and realises that this is the case and further restricts the activities of the griefers. Should happen sometime before the big sales campaign that CCP will probably launch running up to Christmas
LiverpoolFC	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:55:00 - [39] Its looks like Pirates want to have their cake and eat it. Being a pirate is not supposed to be easy. Why don't you just hunt/camp in the roid belts and then kill/pod/rape/exploit there. Despite the best attempts by the devs to "control" pirate activity you always seem to find away around it. I have faith in you bastards, and I am sure you find some exploit and/or tactic to allow you to do your dirty work. If you want to go on strike, fine by me, I am sure others will come along and take your place. I suggest that more people have left the game due to pirates and their use of exploits to kill Newb and non agressive players. This game is not just PvP and neither is it just for carebares. Its all a question of balance. If you can screw the system you will and have done many times in the past and I am sure will do so again. I am dissapointed that you would put up the surrender flag, I thought you where better than that. Your sounding more like a griefer than one of the most well known and respected (hated as well) pirate. Think again before you quit and check out the "fix" if there is one, before you make your mind up.
Seer	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:55:00 - [40] Tank - dude this is at least your 3rd or 4th post in about 2 weeks whining about not being able to camp in empire space. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN If you are camping gate x and getting one ship an hour THEN ADAPT and perhaps try somewhere else? Maybe use the map and find a mining party and go attack them? Personally I dont pirate but do camp gates in non-empire as part of a war and we must watch 20-30 ships an hour go past mostly indies and battleships with the odd cruiser. Sure when an enemy arrives it can be tough to stop em - certainly as a solo player but as part of a team they can be scrambled, webbed and jammed within about 1 second before their destruction. I really dont see what is so hard. We let most people through as they arent involved in the war - but from those that are we could make a very nice living with just a alittle brain power. My contempt for pirates comes not from their profession, but from the fact that the vast majority will whine and ***** until they can camp the same gate every day for the rest of their lives podding newbies and non-pvp'ers for profit. AINT GONNA HAPPEN - FIND NEW METHODS, FIND NEW GATES, OR FIND A NEW GAME ---------------------------------------------------
sutty	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:55:00 - [41] Edited by: sutty on 24/10/2003 11:59:02 ok I dont belive im saying this but- Tank is right, Pirates are good to the game and bring 90% of my enjoyment. If they do make the changes, it will also be bad for normal PVP, for example alliance vs alliance, you cant possible add all them people to your war list so you have to fight them without war, this would mean you could not kill anyone in empire at all. which is absolutely stupid. the old way was best just some idiots took it to the extremes and wrecked it for everyone. take the sentries out of 0.4 and low for feck sake. oh and all you****s saying pirating is easy. Im no pirate but I invite you for a week to become a pirate and see how far you go. HOW HARD is it to target a rock and stick on your macro ? How hard is it to buy goods at one station and move to the next, with no risk, making millions, thats right there is ZERO but, pirates got people like evolution and EV and other people chasing them around trying to destroy there ships and pods, and taking away everything they earnt. please dont tell me that PVP is the easy way out because your seriously mistaken.
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:57:00 - [42] Gadgets said: Quote: Perhaps 0.0 space is empty BECAUSE of gate camping pirate scum. I totally disagree Gadjets. The reason why you don't find most common player in 0.0 space is because there is no good reaason to go there anymore. I'm a miner and I can't make a profit in 0.0 space anymore because of the goofed up asteroid balance and also because mega corps are sucking up what megacycte and zydrine is left out there. As as result of all this most folks have gone back to secure space to mine. Give people a good reason to go back to 0.0 space like being able to make a good profit and they will go back there. Until then everybody but megacorps and alliances will continue to mine in secure space because that is their best bet to profit. All of this boils down to unbalanced game mechanics *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:57:00 - [43] Quote: Jesus Tank are you stupid or what. Perhaps 0.0 space is empty BECAUSE of gate camping pirate scum. Just think how much more fun you would have if players whisked around all the 0.0 sectors. Because of Gate camping they wont. Why risk anything in 0.0 space if at any warp point there is a 50% chance of losing your ship and your haul and THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. If all these garenteed hit camping spots are closed you will see lots of people in 0.0 space. Youll have to work for it then wont you. It will require planning. Guile and cunning not patince and a ******* big ship. Shut up with the whining and deal with it. Your going to have to develope some tactics rather than: Ooo small .. attack. Ooo big ... RUN!! FFS Lol, you are very ignorant . SO wait, its our fault that people are not in 0.0. Its not suppost to be a choice to go into 0.0, if you want to be richand powerful and make tons of profit, then you have to goto 0.0 where there is risk and possible death if your not carefull. But your absolutly right, why risk going into 0.0, there is no reason, simply because you can just stay in secured empire space and make the same amount of money, actually more by afk mining/trading, YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO BE AT THE COMP! Who can beat that? Life is great with that for you guys.... As far as garanteed hit camping spots will be closed... THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSED FOR MONTHS NOW!!!!! You say I have to work for my kills, I HAVE BEEN, WHY DO WE HAVE TO TRY HARDER! YOU DONT SEE US KILLING PEOLPE WHEN WE ARE AFK! YOU SHOULD HAVE TO WORK HARDER! MINING/TRADING AFK AND MAKING MILLIONS,, THATS NOT RIGHT.. You should have to require planning of escorts and routes to make that big trade. THERE ARE NO OTHER TACTICS!!!! ---
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.24 11:59:00 - [44] OMGWTFBBQ. From your local forum ***: SOD OFF J00 NUB CAREBEARS & FOOLS. Pirating is fragging hard unless you have a fleet of BS. Even if you have a fleet of BS, you risk losing it every time you pirate, and it's usually a pain in the arse replacing it unless you do something non-pirating (I for one actually MINE, yeah, and I bet a lot of other 'rats out there do too, get over it morons). CCP hasn't given 'rats a break in ages. Warp-to on scanner will actually fk pirating up even more, along with the rest of the game-no secrets anymore, no nothing, and you'll find most of the possible targets actually just go from jumpin to gate to jumpin to gate all the time. If you pirate in emp space you also lose sec, which buggers you up when you need to get into emp space (Which can be all too often). Get an alt character. Try and frickin' pirate. You'll be back to bumchumming those roids faster than you can say "Roidsyouruncle". Ahm, sorry, I needed a spare thread to vent in Tank . _______________________________________________________________________ IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.** 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
EvilEric	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:00:00 - [45] Tank, Personally I do not have a problem with pirates or even PK'ers ganking whoever they want in lower (.4 and below) However I DO get annoyed when this is continued for hours and hours on end. My suggestion is this:- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=40061
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:02:00 - [46] Quote: Its looks like Pirates want to have their cake and eat it. Being a pirate is not supposed to be easy. Why don't you just hunt/camp in the roid belts and then kill/pod/rape/exploit there. Despite the best attempts by the devs to "control" pirate activity you always seem to find away around it. I have faith in you bastards, and I am sure you find some exploit and/or tactic to allow you to do your dirty work. If you want to go on strike, fine by me, I am sure others will come along and take your place. I suggest that more people have left the game due to pirates and their use of exploits to kill Newb and non agressive players. This game is not just PvP and neither is it just for carebares. Its all a question of balance. If you can screw the system you will and have done many times in the past and I am sure will do so again. I am dissapointed that you would put up the surrender flag, I thought you where better than that. Your sounding more like a griefer than one of the most well known and respected (hated as well) pirate. Think again before you quit and check out the "fix" if there is one, before you make your mind up. Its funny how you say when we find new tactics that its a exploit. We try to find every way to 'pirate'. WTF is pirating to you anywas, Wait i know, being like a npc flying in a belt in 0.0 space waiting for some 1 to choose that belt so u can attack them and then wait another 3 hours for another idiot to come by... YOU SAY being a pirate is not supposed to be easy, well **** man what is easy to you??? WE have battleships trying to kick us out every DAY. What else do you want. CONCORD TOO? TRADING SHOULDNT BE EASSY FOR YOU EITHER< WHAT MAKES YOU SO SPECIAL? WE DONT KILL PLAYERS AFK!!! YOU MINE/TRADE/MAKE MONEY AFK FREELY UNHARMED... FOR US WE SIT AT THE COMPUTER ALIVE/WORRIED THAT WE MIGHT LOSE OUR SHIP ANY Minute. Thats how we make a living, its not easy but we DO IT. You, you just go afk and make millions and go do your own thing while you leave your computer on confident that the empire will protect you. ---
DB Preacher	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:06:00 - [47] Pirating should be part of the game. To push it completely into the edges of the galaxy will turn the game into carebear hell. Nothing more than a trading and mining simulator with the slightest hint of pvp. Unless of course they remove ALL asteroids and trade goods from low sec space... now that would be interesting... Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:09:00 - [48] Quote: Tank, Personally I do not have a problem with pirates or even PK'ers ganking whoever they want in lower (.4 and below) However I DO get annoyed when this is continued for hours and hours on end. My suggestion is this:- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=40061 You mine/trade 24/7, why cant I pirate 24/7? I got make a living some how. I don't pod kill everyone, I ransom there pod now that implants are out. Very Profitable ---
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:11:00 - [49] Edited by: Jake Solnich on 24/10/2003 12:13:37 DB Preacher said: Quote: Unless of course they remove ALL asteroids and trade goods from low sec space... now that would be interesting... Yeah well if they did that then everyone would just stay in secure space and no one would ever go to unsecure space. Then it would be really hard for pirates to make a living. Listen...it's all about risk vs. gain. Right now the risk is not worth the potential gains by mining in 0.0 space and the biggest reason is because the asteroid balance is screwed up royally. If they fixed that then pirates would have a better time pirating in 0.0 space because there would be alot more folks mining there. Maybe this does not excuse the griefers who camp jump-in points but it's certainly a good explanation. *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
Jessica Logan	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:11:00 - [50] Funny how the same people who use the "0.0 is dangerous and lawless11!" excuse, to needlessly destroy anyone and everyone, are the very people complaining that they can't kill anyone and everyone <i>in the heart of an Empire's area of space.</i>
bugeye	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:13:00 - [51] Quote: All the people that say no to sentry guns at .4 and lower space are only saying no because they like to be untouched when they go threw it. **** im sure its great but its really unbalanced. Why you say? Because u make millions a day, afk, unharmed, not worried, easily and fast. Thats the whole point of pirating is to make blockades, kill indies, make profit, charge tolls, play the role of a damn pirate. 85% of eve is protected by godly concord/sentry guns soon to be 90%. That 10% leaves empty space occupied by a small 1% of mega corps mining bistot which have tons of battleships. I dont make millions a day, i dont mine afk and i have to watch local for "i-wanna-be-ueber" fashion pirates like you all day and night and the same is true for the majority of the playerbase. business is war!
Kunming	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:14:00 - [52] CCP should make the pirates be able to disturb an in-warp ship.. This way pirates... Ah never mind just read my post before this and u'll get it.. <Kunming Out> Intercepting since BETA
Astaroth	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:18:00 - [53] hmm am i wrong but cant u jam sentry guns ?? wtf are u whining about ?? omg u might actually have to organize gate camping want some cheese with that whine ?
Joel Pilkington	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:19:00 - [54] Why exactly should anyone at CCP give an unwashed rat's arse about your complaints, Tank? You assume to speak for a small minority whose only claim to notoriety is the fact that they ruin the game experience for many. Go on strike. EVE will be a better place for it. Nobody will miss your 12 measly bucks. Nobody will miss you. And that's all there is to your whining. And do get around to the sad, sad realization that you lack a constituency as much as you lack consideration for your fellow man.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:21:00 - [55] [Village Lookout] "The carebears are coming!! The carebears are coming!!" [Village Chief] "The carebears? Evacuate the village!!" Replace "village" with "empire space PvPers". _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Tharrn	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:21:00 - [56] Quote: Thats the whole point of pirating is to make blockades, kill indies, make profit, charge tolls, play the role of a damn pirate. 85% of eve is protected by godly concord/sentry guns soon to be 90%. Since when do you guys charge tolls? I thought you gank Bestowers and noobs and tell them to get over it as it is your sodding right to do so :P If you'd deflate your ego a bit I might agree with some of your points. As it stands most people oppose anything you'll ever come up with just because you are so damn annoying :P We have to discern piratism and griefing. A pirate asks for money or cargo and kills his victim only if he does not comply. Griefers camp jump-in points, lag their opponent to death and pod-kill him without a word before he ever gets the chance to do anything. Unfortunately the pirates suffer severe penalties due to the actions of the griefers. Change your style or take the consequences. If in doubt: quit - guess a lot of people would open a bottle of Napoleon Brandy to celebrate it.
Don't Panic	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:23:00 - [57] I'm a freelance miner/trader and here is my 2 cents on it First you pirates and campers should do the maths. You want more than 1 kill an hour? Well... server stats are telling us that the average amount of people online each hour are a bit less than 3000. That makes it hmmm... 1 victim per system per hour if you spread it out? But thats not what you do exactly... you don't allow miners/traders to spread out. By shutting down access of all 0.0 space camping the bottlenecks you have effectively hoarded all the people you want to kill into secure space, and learned them to stay well away from you. So why are you complaining? You hoarded them the wrong way. Think strategy man. Start 'farming' miners! Open up all your claimed regions for some time. Stand away from caming the jump ins and outs. Let the miners come graze ur grounds. And than just close the trap and predate on them for some time. Than u have to wait until they have recovered from their losses and rinse and repeat. Unless the playerbase increases significantly, its just senseless to expect that people come ur way in the hundreds when they know better. Just give them a reason to come, and please do me a favour... don't wait until CCP takes ur hand and does it for you. Be creative, don't whine ;)
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:27:00 - [58] Edited by: Drethen Nerevitas on 24/10/2003 12:28:19 Don't panic, Don't Panic has it all figured out. Of course, he's also figured out why people think that a good theory can be wrong; because most nubs that come up with untested theories (Anywhere, anytime) only take the nice obvious facts into account. Don't panic. Everything will be fine until actuality intrudes. Don't panic. Just go away. _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:27:00 - [59] I agree with tank, although i think that the jumpin camping is unfair, CCP has been nerfind piracy in a lot of other ways too. But CCP has a larger Carebear playerbase than pirate playerbase, so i can figure what they'll do: they'll nerf piracy even more. So what will we do? We'll adapt and PWN the carebears as we always do! -
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.24 12:28:00 - [60] Edited by: Drethen Nerevitas on 24/10/2003 12:30:51 Viceroy, now they're finishing off giving the furbearers guns to do the fighting for them. How long is it till they start work on removing ours? Edit: Toulak, selling/using those "petty modules" is often the only way a pirate can avoid the need to mine/trade/*** like a carebear. _______________________________________________________________________ IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.** 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.

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