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semp
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: semp on 28/09/2006 17:34:52
There is much speculation on why we chose to dissolve the latest incarnation of the Curse Coalition. We'll do our best to explain our point of view. It may not be as grand or dramatic in the end as some would like to hear but it is what is.
The original Curse Coalition was founded nearly 3 years ago as a band of small curse living corps trying to defend themselves from local pirates. It wasn't meant to be an empire or even a large political entity. Just a defensive strategy in times of need by those less fortunate. Back then Alliances did not exist in Eve. So CC was nothing more than an ideal by which a group of pilots flew by and paid honor too. Later as the "Curse Wars" developed the CC evolved into a more military oriented fighting force centered on guerrilla tactics behind enemy lines. As the Curse Wars faded so did the need for a defensive coalition and the CC faded as well.
Lately in Eve some of the founding members of the CC got together again and after a great run as members of -V- alliance Tyrell corp, and some others settled in North Curse and brought back the CC under the now in-game alliance rules. However, this wasn't the same CC of pilots flying with the same ideals and goals. It turned out to be something totally different. Some of us wanted to make it a "role played" alliance working with the Arch Angels and this was starting to become a good play with the help of the Dev's but politics got in the way and it never fully took root. Also what was happening, due to an NBSI policy and the close proximity of a new empire jump connect, the CC were starting to gain a mistaken reputation for random piracy itself. This was largely due to pilots flying with different goals and ideals inside the same group. It sparked much controversy internally.
About this time we opened the doors to recruitment of whole corps in order to increase the number of combat pilots. In the interests of gaining experienced combat pilots we sacrificed the original CC ideals and allowed the membership of pirate corps that agreed to follow a R.O.E. we developed to prevent low sec piracy. This would later blow up in our faces. We truly believe all corps entered the CC with good intentions but the internal conflict of ideals over piracy issues created a growing split. One of the corps we allowed in chose too take advantage of this and used some out of game as well as in game methods to sow dissention further in hopes of taking over and gaining control of Northern Curse for a more pirate oriented CC. This resulted in a 3am coup attempt to oust the Tyrell executorships and hijack the CC. This did not entirely work due to the individual pilots of the CC's refusal to accept the changes. The coup was foiled but this did much damage to the CC internally. No one knew whom they could trust and spies were suspected everywhere. The corp. that tried to take the CC internally, by acting as our friends, had planned for over 2 months and executed a very successful operation. Betrayal is a very strong emotional thing and many pilots wanted to quit Eve entirely and some did. Recovery from this internal blow was going to be a long hard road.
During the recovery we centered on regaining our ideals of why we fly together and what we stood for. Politically getting away from the piratical bent the CC had walked into was causing us many problems and some just refused to believe we weren't pirates. With war brewing in the south and friends in need. It simply became more practical to just let this incarnation of the CC slip away. It was just too corrupted and tainted by the internal strife of the split and the stain of piracy to its political reputation to rebuild in a reasonable amount of time to participate in the wars in the south. As such a membership vote called for us to let go of the CC and join -V-. We do so happily and with great expectations for the future.
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trong
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: trong on 28/09/2006 17:36:45 First. What does R.O.E. mean?
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Equliz3r
Gallente Dark Nebula Gallente Division Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: trong Edited by: trong on 28/09/2006 17:36:45 First. What does R.O.E. mean?
Rules of Engagement im guessing.
-Eq
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:46:00 -
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R.O.E = Rules of Engagement
Which you'd think would generally be pretty easy to follow if it was simple enough...you'd be surprised however to see how many "overview malfunctions" occurred pretty regularly.
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:56:00 -
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Good luck and fly safe Tyrell.
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Bach
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer R.O.E = Rules of Engagement
Which you'd think would generally be pretty easy to follow if it was simple enough...you'd be surprised however to see how many "overview malfunctions" occurred pretty regularly.
Yes, a good number of which were SI Redleg with much prodding from OGBP players and allies to get us into conflict with ISS and KOS. A repeated call for corp wide votes to dissolve our NAP's with both ISS and KOS by OGBP, Redleg and they're alts lead to a collapse of the KOS NAP but the ISS NAP held strong and managed to out live the OGBP infiltration. Hind sight being 20-20 it should have been obvious the OGBP secretly wanted to hamper all our efforts to fight IAC. In the end as we discovered they had probably as many internal IAC contacts as they did in side CC it makes sense. They hacked the IAC boards the same as ours we should have realized they had planted characters inside it even then.
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Bach
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:21:00 -
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For my own experiences I would have to say the most problematic issue is the ability of players to buy characters and then be able to pretend to BE th original character or at least one much older than the real player.
It wasn't just the many OGBP alts spread throughout the alliance to cause dissention. We had occassions where a player sold off his account with all our BM's and such. Now he told us and that was kewl but if he had not. We'd not ever had known. On another occassion a characters account background was questionable as to who owned it. We had no way of knowing. One day the originator, a character in a hostile alliance, petitioned CCP and regained control of that character. Again we had no way to tell this character was formerely owned by someone else. So now we had a hostile entity with a charcter in our corps with full access to allthe hangers and everything. It worked out ok but it could have went really bad.
CCP should consider putting a flag into a characters employment history so we can have some protection or method of knowing a characetr isn't being played by the original owner any longer. I would say this "annonymous account switching" and having to fight young Eve players that buy a bunch of isk out of game and then purchase carrier pilots and carriers are some of the most damaging things to an alliance. Perhaps even Eve itself.
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:27:00 -
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Was fun while it lasted, sorry it didn't work out in the end. GL and fly safe.
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:36:00 -
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Personally, having your boards hacked, your personal data used as ammunition for attacks, and therefore spending more time tyring to shore up security than being in game was the most demoralizing aspect near the end...
The mind blowing tempertantrums on TS when they were still in the alliance didn't help much either.
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WickedMan1337
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: WickedMan1337 on 28/09/2006 18:41:28 As a former CEO of Dirty Dudes, and a member of CC, we had a small group of pvp'ers fighting along with Tyrell and the rest of our so called "loyal" alliance members.
But as Semp posted, we had traitors with in our Alliance. CC pretty much got backstabbed by an new corp in CC called: OGBP Original Black Plague. And lets not forget -ASS- for they where in on it aswell. Many people who play this game know it's about loyalty and honor, OGBP and -ASS- had neither. Planning a coup and backstabbing their friends just shows you how low they got. And it did not stop there. Forum hacking, planting spies within our own alliance and other alliances. Dirty Dudes got a new member just before OGBP couped CC. Her name was/is: Jippy We checked her out with employment history, and even contacted OGBP, asking: "Do you guys think she's ok?" OGBP answered by saying: "If you dont take her, we will" So i accepted her application. Little did we all know that "Jippy" was controlled by OGBP. When we caught Jippy and kicked her out, she was later sold on the forums, by a few day old character.... We do not know if Jippy is still controlled by OGBP, but I do not belive OGBP would have sold her for 7-8 bill isk. (40 mill + sp char)
What do you all think?
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:01:00 -
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so semp, your saying that the TYC cloaking griefers in RNF were more honorable then the low-sec pirates? /me chuckles at the irony of it all.
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:16:00 -
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DHB, are you saying that you can't see the difference between prosecuting the industrial backbone of a war target and popping hundreds of noobs in shuttles and t1 frigs outside stations in empire?
Come on...
IAC built that outpost where it was in order to exploit the resouces of the surrounding systems. Attempts at denying you that ability are a pretty natural part of any war action against you. Its the only real downside to fixed implacements, we always know where to find you.
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Raid
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter so semp, your saying that the TYC cloaking griefers in RNF were more honorable then the low-sec pirates? /me chuckles at the irony of it all.
You think its fun sitting in RNF for 20 hours to keep people from rat hunting and mining? Theres a big difference between cloaked ops and empire piracy! We had a purpose in RNF, we didnt do it just to get mails on the killboard.
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Callistus
Gallente Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:32:00 -
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<3 Tyrell
Good luck to you guys in the future. --------------
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Doc Brown
Gallente Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Brown on 28/09/2006 19:35:53
Originally by: DHB FooFighter so semp, your saying that the TYC cloaking griefers in RNF were more honorable then the low-sec pirates? /me chuckles at the irony of it all.
As one of the cloakers, I was there to be a thorn in your side. It's not fun checking empty belt after empty belt, but since we were able to get you to worry (and dedicate forces) for the Ark stash in your backyard I consider the op a success.
I'm sure you don't agree because I know just how difficult it is to hunt down cloakers living in your home.
Anyways, I had a blast and I hope you guys had fun too. If not, at least I hope you learned something.
BTW: There is no such thing as 'griefing' a miner in 0.0 space. Especially if the person attacking is well known and on the KOS list.
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Kuang
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:40:00 -
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GL to Tyrell and some of our old friends .... IMO V has great plans ( and in a good position ) for kali .
With any luck will run into ya and attempt to shoot you down ... till then fly well and have fun
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Michuh
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:55:00 -
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Best of luck to Tyrell Corp, and Veritas Immortalis.
Maelstrom Recruitment
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Wwhisper
Gallente Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Wwhisper on 28/09/2006 19:56:52 For me, being involved in the Course Coalition was one of the best times in eve. That is, until OGBP came on board with their Armored Assassins backup. From the moment they came aboard they started hassling groups and individuals and spreading the seed of dissention. That harassment, didnÆt end when they miserably failed at the coup attempt. I for one can not believe the level to which this group lowered themselves for a game. TheyÆve hacked boards, ours and IAC, posted private form info on the public eve forms. But this doesnÆt even come close to the level at which this group operates. They have taken harassment to a new level and especially the level of harassment they have leveled against me û not my character, but me as a person. For starters they have taken to calling me on my cell phone and calling me names and hanging up. Do I have proof? Yes. They have called me about five times, three times about 1:30 in the morning. The last time they called me they forgot to block their number which traced back to a particular person in the OGBP group. Additionally, they have taken to spreading rumors about me, once again, not about my character but about me. Having spent many months on TS with these guys, they know a lot about me. I spent many years in the navy. I retired from the navy honorably after 20 years. However, these guys have been spreading rumors that I was *** and booted from the navy for being such. Every time I come in local I am barraged with; g ay, f ag, and other such hate-filled words. Once again, this is directed at me and not my character. They are not just spreading this among their guys but they are also contacting people that are not even in their alliance and telling this lie. This is done for no other reasons then hate. I for one did not want take a break from the CC. Even after the way these guys acted I wanted to continue to fight them under the CC name. The CC is not gone, never think that. The CC will come back when weÆre ready. The BoI are nothing more than a passing fancy. A group of pirates that will implode soon enough and I will be there to help it along.
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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:19:00 -
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Quote: You think its fun sitting in RNF for 20 hours to keep people from rat hunting and mining? Theres a big difference between cloaked ops and empire piracy! We had a purpose in RNF, we didnt do it just to get mails on the killboard.
Eh, personally I could care less about RNF. Even if I did there are plenty of other areas for people to go get their carebear fix. I find it funny that at this moment there are like 6-8 enemies parked in RNF doing nothing, keep up the good work guys!
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Raid
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Quote: You think its fun sitting in RNF for 20 hours to keep people from rat hunting and mining? Theres a big difference between cloaked ops and empire piracy! We had a purpose in RNF, we didnt do it just to get mails on the killboard.
Eh, personally I could care less about RNF. Even if I did there are plenty of other areas for people to go get their carebear fix. I find it funny that at this moment there are like 6-8 enemies parked in RNF doing nothing, keep up the good work guys!
So your saying that operations in RNF are working perfectly then? Great...
Shutting down the richest system in your space with 6-8 people is shameful for an alliance your size.
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CopeLand
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:47:00 -
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GL to Tyrell who have atleat to my knowledge, and in my dealing with them, always been honest and nice guys.
sad that your attempt to make your old alliance work, failed due to some of the reasons mentioned.
gl in V
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Lord Cyric
Amarr V I R I I
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Posted - 2006.09.28 21:17:00 -
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I had a good time flying with the guys in Tyrell and found them to be good stand up guys, more than a little willing to have some fun. Sorry to see you say goodbye to CC, and will always have respect for you guys. I also hope you get back to having fun in V, after all, it's a game and that's what we're here for.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 22:18:00 -
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To me CC are pirates. So the way i see it you calling OGBP and ASS pirates is a lot like the pot calling the kettle black, but aparently what you all were doing to us does not count as "pirating" so you can countinue to think you are all high and might but to me your all pirates. not that there is anything wrong with being a pirate
ps. Carpe i want my bounty back :\
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Kujin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.28 23:53:00 -
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oh wow you guys still alive ???
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Space Hog
NEW DAWN CO Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:25:00 -
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Glad for the official post here. I look forward to helping Tyrell and CC with the continued fight. Its a shame that there are people who act in such a way. From my own personal research this is not a eve isolated event. And for the one person out there who would consider to convo me and ask if 'we have a problem'? Here is a crystal clear answer. YES!
I am rather surprised that I have not seen a BOI post here.
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SentryRaven
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:25:00 -
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Chaos Faction wishes its neighbors the very best in their new alliance.
New Ship Idea: Small Freighters (100k m¦)
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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Raid So your saying that operations in RNF are working perfectly then? Great...
Shutting down the richest system in your space with 6-8 people is shameful for an alliance your size.
WCS + people going idle in space for hours on end + cloak = too much time and trouble to kill. Don't play stupid as to why we haven't booted out the trash in RNF yet.
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Kristoffer
Amarr Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:59:00 -
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My days in CC, atleast, in the early days, were some of the best of my life in EVE. I guess i'll just list a few events (haha) that come to my mind, beginning with my first jump into Doril where I got blobed by RA and shot at by TYC.
Kager (of RDST) locking down one of four RAT dreadnoughts in Doril and TYC destroying it, shortly after the alliance's creation.
A 10ish on 10ish BS fight against CDC in Utopia, where I accidently warped to a gate after popping a phoon, and landed 100m from a CDC jaguar in my 425 thron. I instapopped the jaguar and then somehow didn't align out so I died. Awesome fight.
Putting up a large POS in MB-NKE under the noses of IAC while CC had all of 10 people online. Raid / Bach stalling IAC long enough for us to start onlining the guns.
The rising tensions against ISS, the ISS war, popping a 1.2 bil faction fitted MC cerb on day one or two of the war) ISS's various mercenaries.
The early victories (slaughters) of IAC combat gangs (often supported by capital ships) in MB and G-7.
Yonos' and myself rolling through RNF with a raven and armageddon and destroying wave after wave of IAC battleships. (if only the fraps was good reso)
The terror of RNF (my osprey) which any longterm IAC member would remember. It downed numerous t2 frigates. Good times.
Crystoph's ambushes of CC / CDC forces which trapped themselves in RNF; When IAC started fighting back.
The many good fights we had all over curse. Being outnumbered often. Was lots of fun. Flying under Bach's leadership.
Losing my brand new astarte and full implant to paradox' collective's bright gang leadership skills.
Banitzu... mascott of Curse Coalition. "Help! A moa is killing me in belt 3!"
There were many more; those were the good times. Things began to deteriorate after CDC left, it was expected though, we lost a good deal of our already small memberbase. We were fighting three 1000 man+ alliances. We got alot of smack for not engaging those 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 man gangs when we had 10 - 15 online in the whole alliance. Im sad to see this, despite the drama that occured that caused me to leave.
/salute CC
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DeathSpawn66
Minmatar Armoured Assassins Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.29 03:01:00 -
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What i don't appreciate about this post is the lies and deceptions you post about armoured assassins. I can't speak for any of what ogb but i can speak for most of the armoured assassins guys. We joined that alliance to fight side by side with you guys. We had no intention of taking over the alliance and backstabbing in the beginning. The idea came a 2-3 weeks before we attempted it. I fought diligently for cc and the important people know this. It was the cold shoulder given by certain members off tyrell and uarm that led us to dislike the alliance and want to change it. I don't wish to get into an argument about anything of this in the forums cause it's been done enough. But please don't slander our name when your story is only one sided. Armoured Assassins have honor. When we recieve respect we give it back, or at least some of us do. I am civil with you in local and in any mails in which we communicate so why you choose not show respect in return is beyond me. I wish you luck in my old alliance and look forward to many good fights. I would appreciate you asking your guys not to turn this into a flame war as I will ask my guys not to as well... -The Loveable Nub
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Bach
Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeathSpawn66 I wish you luck in my old alliance and look forward to many good fights. I would appreciate you asking your guys not to turn this into a flame war as I will ask my guys not to as well...
He is right and I don't believe anyone originally joined up with an intention to back stab. Its good to state how you felt and what you think the CC meant to you or even displeasure at certain turns of events. But try to keep it constructive and maybe a lessons learned type nature as you can to avoid flaming.
Kristoff - Man that brought back some memories. Those were some good times. You forgot the part of that 10 vs 10 BS battle when my Scorp ended up next to Gypsy's scorp. It was a fast moving confusing fight...I quickly dropped my drones on him and went for the 20km scramble as I noticed Gypsy was already hurt bad.....should have looked closer at the drone bay.. ...was my armor repairer drones..was wondering why he didn't seem to be taking much damage. Well I fixed him a little and he warped out.
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