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semp
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: semp on 28/09/2006 17:34:52
There is much speculation on why we chose to dissolve the latest incarnation of the Curse Coalition. We'll do our best to explain our point of view. It may not be as grand or dramatic in the end as some would like to hear but it is what is.
The original Curse Coalition was founded nearly 3 years ago as a band of small curse living corps trying to defend themselves from local pirates. It wasn't meant to be an empire or even a large political entity. Just a defensive strategy in times of need by those less fortunate. Back then Alliances did not exist in Eve. So CC was nothing more than an ideal by which a group of pilots flew by and paid honor too. Later as the "Curse Wars" developed the CC evolved into a more military oriented fighting force centered on guerrilla tactics behind enemy lines. As the Curse Wars faded so did the need for a defensive coalition and the CC faded as well.
Lately in Eve some of the founding members of the CC got together again and after a great run as members of -V- alliance Tyrell corp, and some others settled in North Curse and brought back the CC under the now in-game alliance rules. However, this wasn't the same CC of pilots flying with the same ideals and goals. It turned out to be something totally different. Some of us wanted to make it a "role played" alliance working with the Arch Angels and this was starting to become a good play with the help of the Dev's but politics got in the way and it never fully took root. Also what was happening, due to an NBSI policy and the close proximity of a new empire jump connect, the CC were starting to gain a mistaken reputation for random piracy itself. This was largely due to pilots flying with different goals and ideals inside the same group. It sparked much controversy internally.
About this time we opened the doors to recruitment of whole corps in order to increase the number of combat pilots. In the interests of gaining experienced combat pilots we sacrificed the original CC ideals and allowed the membership of pirate corps that agreed to follow a R.O.E. we developed to prevent low sec piracy. This would later blow up in our faces. We truly believe all corps entered the CC with good intentions but the internal conflict of ideals over piracy issues created a growing split. One of the corps we allowed in chose too take advantage of this and used some out of game as well as in game methods to sow dissention further in hopes of taking over and gaining control of Northern Curse for a more pirate oriented CC. This resulted in a 3am coup attempt to oust the Tyrell executorships and hijack the CC. This did not entirely work due to the individual pilots of the CC's refusal to accept the changes. The coup was foiled but this did much damage to the CC internally. No one knew whom they could trust and spies were suspected everywhere. The corp. that tried to take the CC internally, by acting as our friends, had planned for over 2 months and executed a very successful operation. Betrayal is a very strong emotional thing and many pilots wanted to quit Eve entirely and some did. Recovery from this internal blow was going to be a long hard road.
During the recovery we centered on regaining our ideals of why we fly together and what we stood for. Politically getting away from the piratical bent the CC had walked into was causing us many problems and some just refused to believe we weren't pirates. With war brewing in the south and friends in need. It simply became more practical to just let this incarnation of the CC slip away. It was just too corrupted and tainted by the internal strife of the split and the stain of piracy to its political reputation to rebuild in a reasonable amount of time to participate in the wars in the south. As such a membership vote called for us to let go of the CC and join -V-. We do so happily and with great expectations for the future.
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trong
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: trong on 28/09/2006 17:36:45
First. What does R.O.E. mean?
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Equliz3r
Gallente
Dark Nebula Gallente Division
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:45:00 -
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 Originally by: trong
Edited by: trong on 28/09/2006 17:36:45
First. What does R.O.E. mean?
Rules of Engagement im guessing.
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:46:00 -
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R.O.E = Rules of Engagement
Which you'd think would generally be pretty easy to follow if it was simple enough...you'd be surprised however to see how many "overview malfunctions" occurred pretty regularly.
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:56:00 -
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Good luck and fly safe Tyrell.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer
R.O.E = Rules of Engagement
Which you'd think would generally be pretty easy to follow if it was simple enough...you'd be surprised however to see how many "overview malfunctions" occurred pretty regularly.
Yes, a good number of which were SI Redleg with much prodding from OGBP players and allies to get us into conflict with ISS and KOS. A repeated call for corp wide votes to dissolve our NAP's with both ISS and KOS by OGBP, Redleg and they're alts lead to a collapse of the KOS NAP but the ISS NAP held strong and managed to out live the OGBP infiltration. Hind sight being 20-20 it should have been obvious the OGBP secretly wanted to hamper all our efforts to fight IAC. In the end as we discovered they had probably as many internal IAC contacts as they did in side CC it makes sense. They hacked the IAC boards the same as ours we should have realized they had planted characters inside it even then.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:21:00 -
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For my own experiences I would have to say the most problematic issue is the ability of players to buy characters and then be able to pretend to BE th original character or at least one much older than the real player.
It wasn't just the many OGBP alts spread throughout the alliance to cause dissention. We had occassions where a player sold off his account with all our BM's and such. Now he told us and that was kewl but if he had not. We'd not ever had known. On another occassion a characters account background was questionable as to who owned it. We had no way of knowing. One day the originator, a character in a hostile alliance, petitioned CCP and regained control of that character. Again we had no way to tell this character was formerely owned by someone else. So now we had a hostile entity with a charcter in our corps with full access to allthe hangers and everything. It worked out ok but it could have went really bad.
CCP should consider putting a flag into a characters employment history so we can have some protection or method of knowing a characetr isn't being played by the original owner any longer. I would say this "annonymous account switching" and having to fight young Eve players that buy a bunch of isk out of game and then purchase carrier pilots and carriers are some of the most damaging things to an alliance. Perhaps even Eve itself.
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:27:00 -
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Was fun while it lasted, sorry it didn't work out in the end.
GL and fly safe.
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:36:00 -
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Personally, having your boards hacked, your personal data used as ammunition for attacks, and therefore spending more time tyring to shore up security than being in game was the most demoralizing aspect near the end...
The mind blowing tempertantrums on TS when they were still in the alliance didn't help much either.
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WickedMan1337
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: WickedMan1337 on 28/09/2006 18:41:28
As a former CEO of Dirty Dudes, and a member of CC, we had a small group of pvp'ers fighting along with Tyrell and the rest of our so called "loyal" alliance members.
But as Semp posted, we had traitors with in our Alliance.
CC pretty much got backstabbed by an new corp in CC called: OGBP Original Black Plague. And lets not forget -ASS- for they where in on it aswell. Many people who play this game know it's about loyalty and honor, OGBP and -ASS- had neither. Planning a coup and backstabbing their friends just shows you how low they got. And it did not stop there. Forum hacking, planting spies within our own alliance and other alliances.
Dirty Dudes got a new member just before OGBP couped CC. Her name was/is: Jippy
We checked her out with employment history, and even contacted OGBP, asking: "Do you guys think she's ok?" OGBP answered by saying: "If you dont take her, we will" So i accepted her application. Little did we all know that "Jippy" was controlled by OGBP. When we caught Jippy and kicked her out, she was later sold on the forums, by a few day old character....
We do not know if Jippy is still controlled by OGBP, but I do not belive OGBP would have sold her for 7-8 bill isk. (40 mill + sp char)
What do you all think?
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:01:00 -
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so semp, your saying that the TYC cloaking griefers in RNF were more honorable then the low-sec pirates? /me chuckles at the irony of it all.
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:16:00 -
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DHB, are you saying that you can't see the difference between prosecuting the industrial backbone of a war target and popping hundreds of noobs in shuttles and t1 frigs outside stations in empire?
Come on...
IAC built that outpost where it was in order to exploit the resouces of the surrounding systems. Attempts at denying you that ability are a pretty natural part of any war action against you. Its the only real downside to fixed implacements, we always know where to find you.
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Raid
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter
so semp, your saying that the TYC cloaking griefers in RNF were more honorable then the low-sec pirates? /me chuckles at the irony of it all.
You think its fun sitting in RNF for 20 hours to keep people from rat hunting and mining? Theres a big difference between cloaked ops and empire piracy! We had a purpose in RNF, we didnt do it just to get mails on the killboard.
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Callistus
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:32:00 -
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<3 Tyrell
Good luck to you guys in the future.
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Doc Brown
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Brown on 28/09/2006 19:35:53
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
so semp, your saying that the TYC cloaking griefers in RNF were more honorable then the low-sec pirates? /me chuckles at the irony of it all.
As one of the cloakers, I was there to be a thorn in your side. It's not fun checking empty belt after empty belt, but since we were able to get you to worry (and dedicate forces) for the Ark stash in your backyard I consider the op a success.
I'm sure you don't agree because I know just how difficult it is to hunt down cloakers living in your home.
Anyways, I had a blast and I hope you guys had fun too. If not, at least I hope you learned something.
BTW: There is no such thing as 'griefing' a miner in 0.0 space. Especially if the person attacking is well known and on the KOS list.
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Kuang
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:40:00 -
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GL to Tyrell and some of our old friends .... IMO V has great plans ( and in a good position ) for kali .
With any luck will run into ya and attempt to shoot you down  ... till then fly well and have fun
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Michuh
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:55:00 -
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Best of luck to Tyrell Corp, and Veritas Immortalis.
Maelstrom Recruitment
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Wwhisper on 28/09/2006 19:56:52
For me, being involved in the Course Coalition was one of the best times in eve.
That is, until OGBP came on board with their Armored Assassins backup.
From the moment they came aboard they started hassling groups and individuals and spreading the seed of dissention.
That harassment, didnÆt end when they miserably failed at the coup attempt.
I for one can not believe the level to which this group lowered themselves for a game.
TheyÆve hacked boards, ours and IAC, posted private form info on the public eve forms.
But this doesnÆt even come close to the level at which this group operates.
They have taken harassment to a new level and especially the level of harassment they have leveled against me û not my character, but me as a person.
For starters they have taken to calling me on my cell phone and calling me names and hanging up.
Do I have proof? Yes. They have called me about five times, three times about 1:30 in the morning. The last time they called me they forgot to block their number which traced back to a particular person in the OGBP group.
Additionally, they have taken to spreading rumors about me, once again, not about my character but about me.
Having spent many months on TS with these guys, they know a lot about me. I spent many years in the navy. I retired from the navy honorably after 20 years. However, these guys have been spreading rumors that I was *** and booted from the navy for being such. Every time I come in local I am barraged with; g ay, f ag, and other such hate-filled words. Once again, this is directed at me and not my character.
They are not just spreading this among their guys but they are also contacting people that are not even in their alliance and telling this lie. This is done for no other reasons then hate.
I for one did not want take a break from the CC. Even after the way these guys acted I wanted to continue to fight them under the CC name. The CC is not gone, never think that. The CC will come back when weÆre ready. The BoI are nothing more than a passing fancy. A group of pirates that will implode soon enough and I will be there to help it along.
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:19:00 -
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Quote:
You think its fun sitting in RNF for 20 hours to keep people from rat hunting and mining? Theres a big difference between cloaked ops and empire piracy! We had a purpose in RNF, we didnt do it just to get mails on the killboard.
Eh, personally I could care less about RNF. Even if I did there are plenty of other areas for people to go get their carebear fix. I find it funny that at this moment there are like 6-8 enemies parked in RNF doing nothing, keep up the good work guys! 
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Raid
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Quote:
You think its fun sitting in RNF for 20 hours to keep people from rat hunting and mining? Theres a big difference between cloaked ops and empire piracy! We had a purpose in RNF, we didnt do it just to get mails on the killboard.
Eh, personally I could care less about RNF. Even if I did there are plenty of other areas for people to go get their carebear fix. I find it funny that at this moment there are like 6-8 enemies parked in RNF doing nothing, keep up the good work guys!
So your saying that operations in RNF are working perfectly then? Great...
Shutting down the richest system in your space with 6-8 people is shameful for an alliance your size.
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CopeLand
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:47:00 -
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GL to Tyrell who have atleat to my knowledge, and in my dealing with them, always been honest and nice guys.
sad that your attempt to make your old alliance work, failed due to some of the reasons mentioned.
gl in V
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Lord Cyric
Amarr
V I R I I
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Posted - 2006.09.28 21:17:00 -
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I had a good time flying with the guys in Tyrell and found them to be good stand up guys, more than a little willing to have some fun. Sorry to see you say goodbye to CC, and will always have respect for you guys. I also hope you get back to having fun in V, after all, it's a game and that's what we're here for.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.28 22:18:00 -
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To me CC are pirates. So the way i see it you calling OGBP and ASS pirates is a lot like the pot calling the kettle black, but aparently what you all were doing to us does not count as "pirating" so you can countinue to think you are all high and might but to me your all pirates. not that there is anything wrong with being a pirate 
ps. Carpe i want my bounty back :\
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Kujin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.28 23:53:00 -
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oh wow you guys still alive ???
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Space Hog
NEW DAWN CO
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:25:00 -
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Glad for the official post here. I look forward to helping Tyrell and CC with the continued fight. Its a shame that there are people who act in such a way. From my own personal research this is not a eve isolated event. And for the one person out there who would consider to convo me and ask if 'we have a problem'? Here is a crystal clear answer. YES!
I am rather surprised that I have not seen a BOI post here.
Caution
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SentryRaven
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:25:00 -
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Chaos Faction wishes its neighbors the very best in their new alliance.
New Ship Idea: Small Freighters (100k m¦)
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
So your saying that operations in RNF are working perfectly then? Great...
Shutting down the richest system in your space with 6-8 people is shameful for an alliance your size.
WCS + people going idle in space for hours on end + cloak = too much time and trouble to kill. Don't play stupid as to why we haven't booted out the trash in RNF yet.
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Kristoffer
Amarr
Murder-Death-Kill
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:59:00 -
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My days in CC, atleast, in the early days, were some of the best of my life in EVE. I guess i'll just list a few events (haha) that come to my mind, beginning with my first jump into Doril where I got blobed by RA and shot at by TYC.
Kager (of RDST) locking down one of four RAT dreadnoughts in Doril and TYC destroying it, shortly after the alliance's creation.
A 10ish on 10ish BS fight against CDC in Utopia, where I accidently warped to a gate after popping a phoon, and landed 100m from a CDC jaguar in my 425 thron. I instapopped the jaguar and then somehow didn't align out so I died. Awesome fight.
Putting up a large POS in MB-NKE under the noses of IAC while CC had all of 10 people online. Raid / Bach stalling IAC long enough for us to start onlining the guns.
The rising tensions against ISS, the ISS war, popping a 1.2 bil faction fitted MC cerb on day one or two of the war) ISS's various mercenaries.
The early victories (slaughters) of IAC combat gangs (often supported by capital ships) in MB and G-7.
Yonos' and myself rolling through RNF with a raven and armageddon and destroying wave after wave of IAC battleships. (if only the fraps was good reso)
The terror of RNF (my osprey) which any longterm IAC member would remember. It downed numerous t2 frigates. Good times.
Crystoph's ambushes of CC / CDC forces which trapped themselves in RNF; When IAC started fighting back.
The many good fights we had all over curse. Being outnumbered often. Was lots of fun. Flying under Bach's leadership.
Losing my brand new astarte and full implant to paradox' collective's bright gang leadership skills.
Banitzu... mascott of Curse Coalition. "Help! A moa is killing me in belt 3!"
There were many more; those were the good times.
Things began to deteriorate after CDC left, it was expected though, we lost a good deal of our already small memberbase. We were fighting three 1000 man+ alliances. We got alot of smack for not engaging those 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 man gangs when we had 10 - 15 online in the whole alliance.
Im sad to see this, despite the drama that occured that caused me to leave.
/salute CC
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DeathSpawn66
Minmatar
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.29 03:01:00 -
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What i don't appreciate about this post is the lies and deceptions you post about armoured assassins. I can't speak for any of what ogb but i can speak for most of the armoured assassins guys. We joined that alliance to fight side by side with you guys. We had no intention of taking over the alliance and backstabbing in the beginning. The idea came a 2-3 weeks before we attempted it. I fought diligently for cc and the important people know this. It was the cold shoulder given by certain members off tyrell and uarm that led us to dislike the alliance and want to change it. I don't wish to get into an argument about anything of this in the forums cause it's been done enough. But please don't slander our name when your story is only one sided. Armoured Assassins have honor. When we recieve respect we give it back, or at least some of us do. I am civil with you in local and in any mails in which we communicate so why you choose not show respect in return is beyond me. I wish you luck in my old alliance and look forward to many good fights. I would appreciate you asking your guys not to turn this into a flame war as I will ask my guys not to as well...
-The Loveable Nub
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeathSpawn66
I wish you luck in my old alliance and look forward to many good fights. I would appreciate you asking your guys not to turn this into a flame war as I will ask my guys not to as well...
He is right and I don't believe anyone originally joined up with an intention to back stab. Its good to state how you felt and what you think the CC meant to you or even displeasure at certain turns of events. But try to keep it constructive and maybe a lessons learned type nature as you can to avoid flaming.
Kristoff - Man that brought back some memories. Those were some good times. You forgot the part of that 10 vs 10 BS battle when my Scorp ended up next to Gypsy's scorp. It was a fast moving confusing fight...I quickly dropped my drones on him and went for the 20km scramble as I noticed Gypsy was already hurt bad.....should have looked closer at the drone bay.. ...was my armor repairer drones..was wondering why he didn't seem to be taking much damage. Well I fixed him a little and he warped out.
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: DeathSpawn66
<snip> I can't speak for any of what ogb but i can speak for most of the armoured assassins guys. We joined that alliance to fight side by side with you guys. We had no intention of taking over the alliance and backstabbing in the beginning.
Well at least one of you finally admits you backstabbed us. They way you guys have been talking, you act like you did us a favor. Anything else you say about it is just trying to justify it. There is no justification. You don't like something, you say "sorry guys, we're not happy, so we're going to leave." That would have been the honorable thing to do.
<more snipage> But please don't slander our name when your story is only one sided. Armoured Assassins have honor. When we recieve respect we give it back, or at least some of us do. I am civil with you in local and in any mails in which we communicate so why you choose not show respect in return is beyond me.<snip>
Armoured Assassians have honor?
How is backstabbing (your own admission) an alliance with a coup at 3 a.m. honorable?
How is one of your guys logging on to TS days after you've been removed from the alliance and using his server admin he was granted while in the alliance to start banning people honorable?
Sorry if you don't like the brush your being painted with, but if you don't like the painting, then remove the paint.
Bottom line, They could not do what they did/are doing without your knowledge. Some of you have to know what they are doing and condone it. And even if you don't condone it, knowing and saying nothing makes you just as quilty.
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DeathSpawn66
Minmatar
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.29 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: DeathSpawn66 on 29/09/2006 04:09:55
Thanks for reply bach. Sorry phuze I know I made us look like little girlies now. Btw when it comes down to it wwhisper we didn't stab you in the back. You laid the first blow. But w/e, its not a big thing anymore. Btw I will never leave ass because of my unbreakable devotion to phuze....
If you wish to continue this you know how to reach me.
Death <3's Phuze
-The Loveable Nub
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Maria Ravenwind
Gallente
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 04:35:00 -
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I'd just like to say, as a low level member of IAC and a grunt, that I did not consider any tactics used by CC as piracy. In my opinion, piracy does not exsist in 0.0. Now, did I like their tactics? Of course not. I considered them oppresive and very low. And come on, you can't say that you sit there for 20 hours! We all know you were afk for the majority of the time.
At first CC would stomp us. I mean it was often a slaughter. That was right when we got the outpost up. CC showed up a number of times harrasing, but nothing more than that. Then all of a sudden it sucked being online. We would mass a force and before we knew it either the CC gang had killed all of us, or we spent the whole time talking at a POS and they nailed all the miners! But we had to adapt, and we did. CC taught us how to fight, but unfortunately once we were able to stand up, they resorted to the cloaking methods. Thus the name Cloaked Coalition.
In all, CC taught IAC a lot more than IAC could have learned alone. The good thing about CC was they were not big enough to do any real damage. Just big enough to be a pain in the ass!
I am sorry (but relieved at the same time) to hear of CC's fate. We're losing a good enemy, especially with Bach leading. Funny about Bach, a lot of IAC members are very fond of you! As for kristoffer, no offense bro, but most of us were glad to see you gone!
As for the hacking of accounts and planting of spies in IAC. I do believe that it was not done with the consent of most of CC, but I will be anything that every single CC member jumped at the opprotunity of seeing that information and intel. Honestly, I don't care who did it. And I don't care who betrayed whom in CC. CC never were the most honorable pilots. Allowing these things may not have been done intentionally, but I'm sure they were embraced.
GL guys. And maybe now that you're in VI you'll fight us without gurrella tactics?
PS- This is not my original main char. I sold the char that was formerly in IAC. He was a member for over 10 months, back during the CCC war.
I hate my Exclamation mark!
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Murder-Death-Kill
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.29 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kristoffer on 29/09/2006 06:43:35
Originally by: Maria Ravenwind
As for kristoffer, no offense bro, but most of us were glad to see you gone!
I hope that was said with love, if not, i'll be quite sad. You all liked my presence, I mean come on, no one could resist my charm!
Seriously though, I had alot of fun (mabey it was one sided) tangling with you guys daily down in MB / G-7 / RNF. We had alot of entertaining conversations that I usually filled with constant propoganda... ah.. the good old days. :)
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Maria Ravenwind
Gallente
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Maria Ravenwind on 29/09/2006 07:49:22
Lol, kristoffer, even with how disgruntled most pilots were with your tactics at the time, there's always love for someone that you had spend that much time with!
Now, I was just thinking about something. Is there anyone that wants to let us in on what really happened with ISS and holding the ZXIC station hostage? I had a little birdie tell me that ISS paid CC off to the sum of nearly 12 billion isk to leave and sign a NAP. Any truth to this? Honestly it sure seemed like it, because after that episode ended, you all seemed to be flying very expensive ships!
And I'd also like to know if there were any actual plans to by CC to take the Distillery?
I'm just wondering, because I figured some people may now be in a spot where they can share information without damaging their interests.
I hate my Exclamation mark!
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Lady Zirconia
Caldari
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.29 11:30:00 -
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Greets to Tyrell!
I fought against Tyrell for months when I lived in Catch but I considered them "honoured enemies", they have some good pilots and the core members had a code which even I as an enemy could pick up on. I'm sorry to hear of the collapse of the CC, but due to that process, I now fly on the same side finally. So lets look to the future and perhaps greater things to come.
BOI and the whiners of IAC beware - you would be mistaken in thinking Tyrell defeated. One of the reasons I left Catch was because when I lived there I was allied with IAC and at that time, they often did things in gang which made me shrivel with shame to be in gang with them. And judging by some of the comments on the forums, I'd say things havent changed.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 12:24:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Maria Ravenwind
I'm just wondering, because I figured some people may now be in a spot where they can share information without damaging their interests.
The ISS never paid CC anything. It was just a means to reduce the number of enemies in the area and get some benefit out of commerce dealings with ISS corps. To their credit ISS leadership was consistant, fair and honorable the whole time. Better to us than some of our own allies.
After the CDC moved North there was no serious plans to actually take the IAC outpost. We were a PVP corp and the fights were good but we were too small. It remained a lofty "goal" but no practical method was at hand. There were some merc corps and a few alliances that some CC had contacted that could have lended the necessary firepower but winning for us wasn't that important and all such methods were turned down.
As for the hacking...this is a big sore spot with me towards IAC. I'm no angel and I don't mind an in game spy that IAC recruiters have a chance to foil. Out of game spying for me isn't kewl. When the first breach of the IAC boards was posted on our forums I didn't even read the whole thing as the info wasn't particularly valuable. I did aplaud the then CC OGBP for the effort. Then I saw the public forum posts and went back and reead the CC forum post and saw they had posted Black Horizon's password to everyone. Now realizing this was out of game me and some others spoke out and asked this never happen again.
Unfortunately, a month or so later it did again. I issued an apology to Crystoph publicaly and we set to task of cleaning up our out of control membership. We were ready to drop fighting the IAC altogether and get our crap sorted out. This ofcourse, lead to the 3am coup the next days. OGBP we not going to abide by Tyrell's tyranical rule sets. In the interests of democracy, piracy and freedom to hack people they tried to steal the CC and later created the BoI.
Now as to that IAC hack and Blackhorizon's pw. All you had to do was notice one of the two alts used to post that info publically was named BadmojoTX. If you call up the BPClan.com website and check membership for a familiar name and then look at who owns the site it doesn't take a Jovian propulsion scientist to figure out who hacked you. TODAY for the life of me I still don't understand why IAC allied to BoI other than they had internal spies as well as CC. They hacked our board by gaining membership access and then using third party programs to get our passwords so it would make sense the IAC hack was also purpetrated by an inside man. So here I am doing what I think is the right thing and backing the IAC and next thing I know your in bed with BoI singing campfire songs. What was up with that?
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 12:37:00 -
[38]
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=366695&page=1#3
http://www.bpclan.com/profile.php?lookup=2
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TIvian
Caldari
The Hushz
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Posted - 2006.09.29 13:02:00 -
[39]
Good hunting to Semp and the rest of Tyrell Corp. good bunch of guys. -V- is getting a great corp. wishing you all the best.
Tiv
They say "America is the GREAT SATAN!!"
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 13:47:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Bach
Now as to that IAC hack and Blackhorizon's pw. All you had to do was notice one of the two alts used to post that info publically was named BadmojoTX. If you call up the BPClan.com website and check membership for a familiar name and then look at who owns the site it doesn't take a Jovian propulsion scientist to figure out who hacked you. TODAY for the life of me I still don't understand why IAC allied to BoI other than they had internal spies as well as CC. They hacked our board by gaining membership access and then using third party programs to get our passwords so it would make sense the IAC hack was also purpetrated by an inside man. So here I am doing what I think is the right thing and backing the IAC and next thing I know your in bed with BoI singing campfire songs. What was up with that?
It would definitely be good to hear something from IAC as to why this happened...what exactly was it that they told you to convince you guys to team up with them, when the evidence against them hacking your forums is so damning...?
Crystoph? Want to chime in here?
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Konietzko
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.09.29 13:57:00 -
[41]
Good luck Tyrell. -10 again, it'll be just like the old days. =)
Zach and I are comming for you wwhisper 
konietzko[VIRII/CDC]
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Raid
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 13:59:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Konietzko
Good luck Tyrell. -10 again, it'll be just like the old days. =)
Zach and I are comming for you wwhisper
You'll both be jammed!
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Able Citizen
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.29 14:16:00 -
[43]
While in Jericho Fraction/Star Fraction, Curse Coalition had been hostile to us for nearly the entire time our group moved into Angel Cartel space.
Bach, Raid and the gang, IMHO, did an excellent job in bringing the Curse residents together for the Angel Cartel summit in HLW and the subsequent operations that brought willing pilots into Catch in the service of the Cartel.
Soon after the POS event, I asked for special clearance from my Corp to attempt to negotiate standings with Curse Coalition (I was not a director). During the negotiations, which went on for hours, respectful dialogue was exchanged, and the result was a NAP and industrial agreement for exchange of market items (not sure if either of our entities ever availed themselves of this portion of the deal, but...)
I have to say that Bach and Raid represented CC well and were honourable in their dealings with Jericho/Star Fraction. It is a shame that you had to endure those internal struggles.
GL to Bach and Raid and Tyrell.
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 15:49:00 -
[44]
Quote:
TODAY for the life of me I still don't understand why IAC allied to BoI other than they had internal spies as well as CC. They hacked our board by gaining membership access and then using third party programs to get our passwords so it would make sense the IAC hack was also purpetrated by an inside man. So here I am doing what I think is the right thing and backing the IAC and next thing I know your in bed with BoI singing campfire songs. What was up with that?
So, because you did a moral "right" you feel that IAC should have stopped attacking CC the moment internal problems started happening for CC? If the same thing happened to IAC, as what happened to CC, are you honestly telling me that CC would have sat in curse space and not took advantage of the situation? Try moving out of the pre-conventional way of making ethical decisions and into the conventional way. Do acts because they are right and not because you expect a reward.
Having a NAP with an alliance does not mean that one is "in bed" with the alliance in question. I can count the number of times that a large IAC OP worked with a BOI OP on one hand, that I am aware of. BOI and IAC have different play styles, so have decided leave each other alone with a mutual respect. It's The same mutual respect (NAP) I am sure IAC would have given CC, a long time ago, if CC would have asked for it. Instead the situation was more akin to a person expecting help, when in trouble, even though this person has done nothing but continuously assaulted you day upon day.
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 18:23:00 -
[45]
Tribunal, I don't think for a second anyone thought you would stop attacking us...but what is strange is that your leadership immediately shacks up with the guys that 1. Hacked the hell out of your forums and posted on the main boards and 2. Were heavily allied to LV, who was at war with you. So, as you can see, it is of some interest to us why you chose to side so fiercely with a group that screwed you over so thoroughly. Also, joint IAC/BOI gangs have been running all over the place. Any attempts to downplay your association are laughable at best.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 19:25:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Bach on 29/09/2006 19:29:45
Originally by: Tribunal
So, because you did a moral "right" you feel that IAC should have stopped attacking CC the moment internal problems started happening for CC? If the same thing happened to IAC, as what happened to CC, are you honestly telling me that CC would have sat in curse space and not took advantage of the situation? Try moving out of the pre-conventional way of making ethical decisions and into the conventional way. Do acts because they are right and not because you expect a reward.
Having a NAP with an alliance does not mean that one is "in bed" with the alliance in question. I can count the number of times that a large IAC OP worked with a BOI OP on one hand, that I am aware of. BOI and IAC have different play styles, so have decided leave each other alone with a mutual respect. It's The same mutual respect (NAP) I am sure IAC would have given CC, a long time ago, if CC would have asked for it. Instead the situation was more akin to a person expecting help, when in trouble, even though this person has done nothing but continuously assaulted you day upon day.[/quote
Reward? So you think the only reason I did that was because I expected a reward.
1. You have nothing I need.
2. You have nothing I want, except maybe sharing some of your game time.
3. Your my opponent in an online game. Your not ebil, I'm not ebil and neither of us is really fighting for "survival". If I found out tommarrow someone had your passwords, Eve account info or potentially credit card data...I would still have a problem with that.
Mutual Respect? How much mutual respect do you think there was when they were tip toe'n through your boards ,possibly accounts and for some reason publically posting it? You guys got more respect from me on our worst day then you were ever getting from those guys on the best day you thought they were your friends.
The question never was "Why didn't you stop shooting CC".
It was "Why DID you ever stop shooting OGBP?"
We should all send the message that these things are never acceptable behavior no matter the in-game gains. It appears, correct me please if I am wrong, IAC gave them amnesty in exchange for a more favorable position in game vs. the CC.
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:20:00 -
[47]
Quote:
Also, joint IAC/BOI gangs have been running all over the place. Any attempts to downplay your association are laughable at best.
I'm sure that there are some IAC that join in BOI gangs, but that is far from the norm. The IAC players in question are good friends with people in BOI, as IAC has had some people/corps join BOI. My claim is that as far as alliance OPs there have only been a few times BOI and IAC have joined forces.
Originally by: Bach
Reward? So you think the only reason I did that was because I expected a reward.
I have met very few people who have truely reached a post-coventional way of making decions (doing the right thing for the wellfare of everyone). If you are the type of person that stays in this way of thinking then I applaud you, as that would make you a better man than most of society (and me).
The problem is that you are coming off as being upset that you helped IAC out, and for your trouble CC was "back stabbed". If that is true then you must have expected a more favorable stance from IAC on the part of CC, which is a form of reward.
If the question of why is pestering you guys so much why have you not brought them forward to IAC diplomats? They are qualified to answer those questions properly.
I think I have been in this thread too long so I will take my leave. See you guys in space.
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Gabriel Karade
Office linebackers
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.29 23:32:00 -
[48]
Who is the 'BOI' you speak of? 
'187' or 'Blood of the Innocents'
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 23:53:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Who is the 'BOI' you speak of?
'187' or 'Blood of the Innocents'
Apologies, Gabriel. I am used to saying BOI as some people do not know who I'm referring to when I say 187.
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Phuze
Caldari
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.30 00:11:00 -
[50]
Armoured Assassians have honor?
How is backstabbing (your own admission) an alliance with a coup at 3 a.m. honorable?
How is one of your guys logging on to TS days after you've been removed from the alliance and using his server admin he was granted while in the alliance to start banning people honorable?
Sorry if you don't like the brush your being painted with, but if you don't like the painting, then remove the paint.
Bottom line, They could not do what they did/are doing without your knowledge. Some of you have to know what they are doing and condone it. And even if you don't condone it, knowing and saying nothing makes you just as quilty.
Seems like i should cut to the chase here and explain something to you and the rest who feel we arent "honorable" or whatever. Were anything but honorable TBH. Corp was created to be Evil, thats exactly what we are, I'm trying to sway DS in that direction, jus taking abit of work cuz hes ex -V- n stuff. Gimme time 
"Yarr n Stuff"
Phuze
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 00:19:00 -
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NAP with 187 was primarily because DLINE left IAC and joined them, simple as that.
I was extremely opposed to NAPping them, but sadly I'm not dictator and i was overruled.
The hacking issues etc weren't that big a deal to me, and I didn't really know for sure that you guys in CC were telling the whole truth about the infiltration stuff, always seemed like it mattered a lot more to CC than to us.
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Phuze
Caldari
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.30 00:29:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Phuze on 30/09/2006 00:30:49
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
NAP with 187 was primarily because DLINE left IAC and joined them, simple as that.
I was extremely opposed to NAPping them, but sadly I'm not dictator and i was overruled.
The hacking issues etc weren't that big a deal to me, and I didn't really know for sure that you guys in CC were telling the whole truth about the infiltration stuff, always seemed like it mattered a lot more to CC than to us.
The hacking issues or whatever theyre talking about went on before -ASS- were in CC.
Nice that you spoke up here and backed me up Tyrrax .
See Wwhisper....even one of our naps is cautious...you can cease with the honor crap now, point proven -ASS- couldnt care less.
"Yarr n Stuff"
Phuze
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 00:59:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Phuze
The hacking issues or whatever theyre talking about went on before -ASS- were in CC.
Nice that you spoke up here and backed me up Tyrrax .
See Wwhisper....even one of our naps is cautious...you can cease with the honor crap now, point proven -ASS- couldnt care less.
Phuze
Now, now Phuze. Don't go gettin in a tizzy. Have a donut or something.
I don't think I'm the one that brought up the -ASS- have honor thing. I think I responed to one of you saying you did, I just pointed he didn't. Now that being said, your pirates, your not supposed to have honor in game if that's they way you want to play.
It was our mistake for trusting you.
However, when you take things out-of-the game, that's goes too far. Although ODGP is more guilty of it, the fact that your guys did it as well, says something also about your groups' style of of play that the people that play EVE should be made aware of.
That takes the ebil pirating just a bit too far.
When I get phone calls on my cell at 1:30 in the morning calling me names and hanging up, that's taking things too far.
Honor? Respect? There is no such thing in BoI.
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Chib
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:06:00 -
[54]
tyc rawk. im bummed u joined -v- tho dont u remember the "light darkness incident" back in sa gl guys tho miss u
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:19:00 -
[55]
What I find most interesting of all, is the fact that ODGP have not said anything.
I guess they can't.
Becuase they know it's all true.
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Phuze
Caldari
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:26:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Wwhisper
Originally by: Phuze
The hacking issues or whatever theyre talking about went on before -ASS- were in CC.
Nice that you spoke up here and backed me up Tyrrax .
See Wwhisper....even one of our naps is cautious...you can cease with the honor crap now, point proven -ASS- couldnt care less.
Phuze
Now, now Phuze. Don't go gettin in a tizzy. Have a donut or something.
I don't think I'm the one that brought up the -ASS- have honor thing. I think I responed to one of you saying you did, I just pointed he didn't. Now that being said, your pirates, your not supposed to have honor in game if that's they way you want to play.
It was our mistake for trusting you.
However, when you take things out-of-the game, that's goes too far. Although ODGP is more guilty of it, the fact that your guys did it as well, says something also about your groups' style of of play that the people that play EVE should be made aware of.
That takes the ebil pirating just a bit too far.
When I get phone calls on my cell at 1:30 in the morning calling me names and hanging up, that's taking things too far.
Honor? Respect? There is no such thing in BoI.
Let me tell you something Wwhisper, -ASS- never called you on your phone, your not worth a nickle, let alone the cost of a long distance phone call, wherever you might be. Its a game and if your a paranoid little twit we cant help that, but please get over yourself in thinking your worth our time of day, in or out of game, got it? And tbh ill pass on the donut, i prefer cookies  On a side note, if you have proof of these calls i suggest you call the authorities, things like that shouldnt happen at all, also proof would be nice if your going to make such accusations in game, -ASS- call your "bluff" as usual, show me or Eve proof now hotshot, or your "honor" could be tainted. My post concerns -ASS- i couldnt care less about any other corp.
"Yarr n Stuff"
Phuze
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Nigel
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:36:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Phuze
Originally by: Wwhisper
Originally by: Phuze
The hacking issues or whatever theyre talking about went on before -ASS- were in CC.
Nice that you spoke up here and backed me up Tyrrax .
See Wwhisper....even one of our naps is cautious...you can cease with the honor crap now, point proven -ASS- couldnt care less.
Phuze
Now, now Phuze. Don't go gettin in a tizzy. Have a donut or something.
I don't think I'm the one that brought up the -ASS- have honor thing. I think I responed to one of you saying you did, I just pointed he didn't. Now that being said, your pirates, your not supposed to have honor in game if that's they way you want to play.
It was our mistake for trusting you.
However, when you take things out-of-the game, that's goes too far. Although ODGP is more guilty of it, the fact that your guys did it as well, says something also about your groups' style of of play that the people that play EVE should be made aware of.
That takes the ebil pirating just a bit too far.
When I get phone calls on my cell at 1:30 in the morning calling me names and hanging up, that's taking things too far.
Honor? Respect? There is no such thing in BoI.
Let me tell you something Wwhisper, -ASS- never called you on your phone, your not worth a nickle, let alone the cost of a long distance phone call, wherever you might be. Its a game and if your a paranoid little twit we cant help that, but please get over yourself in thinking your worth our time of day, in or out of game, got it? And tbh ill pass on the donut, i prefer cookies On a side note, if you have proof of these calls i suggest you call the authorities, things like that shouldnt happen at all, also proof would be nice if your going to make such accusations in game, -ASS- call your "bluff" as usual, show me or Eve proof now hotshot, or your "honor" could be tainted. My post concerns -ASS- i couldnt care less about any other corp.
"Yarr n Stuff"
Phuze
-ASS- Corp allways has and always will be one of the most hated corps IN GAME our policy is if it moves shoot it, if we can destabalise Alliances either from the inside or the outside we will! But all this out of game stuff is just rediculous! 
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:41:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Phuze
Originally by: Wwhisper
Originally by: Phuze
The hacking issues or whatever theyre talking about went on before -ASS- were in CC.
Nice that you spoke up here and backed me up Tyrrax .
See Wwhisper....even one of our naps is cautious...you can cease with the honor crap now, point proven -ASS- couldnt care less.
Phuze
Now, now Phuze. Don't go gettin in a tizzy. Have a donut or something.
I don't think I'm the one that brought up the -ASS- have honor thing. I think I responed to one of you saying you did, I just pointed he didn't. Now that being said, your pirates, your not supposed to have honor in game if that's they way you want to play.
It was our mistake for trusting you.
However, when you take things out-of-the game, that's goes too far. Although ODGP is more guilty of it, the fact that your guys did it as well, says something also about your groups' style of of play that the people that play EVE should be made aware of.
That takes the ebil pirating just a bit too far.
When I get phone calls on my cell at 1:30 in the morning calling me names and hanging up, that's taking things too far.
Honor? Respect? There is no such thing in BoI.
Let me tell you something Wwhisper, -ASS- never called you on your phone, your not worth a nickle, let alone the cost of a long distance phone call, wherever you might be. Its a game and if your a paranoid little twit we cant help that, but please get over yourself in thinking your worth our time of day, in or out of game, got it? And tbh ill pass on the donut, i prefer cookies On a side note, if you have proof of these calls i suggest you call the authorities, things like that shouldnt happen at all, also proof would be nice if your going to make such accusations in game, -ASS- call your "bluff" as usual, show me or Eve proof now hotshot, or your "honor" could be tainted. My post concerns -ASS- i couldnt care less about any other corp.
"Yarr n Stuff"
Phuze
his rectum might be tainted, too from being in the navy
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Simariliia
Die Gestrandeten
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:53:00 -
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wwhisper....I rarly dislike anyone, specially when its all a game......but all ure smacking and all ure whining is just stupid.
all ure false bullsh**** on this treath makes me dislike u even more.
No wonder why u get so paranoid in RL that u Imagen that someone accually would waste their money calling u.
Simariliia/Wildside (ASS)
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:12:00 -
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TYC needs to stop smacking on the forums, cloaking in doril and bring a fleet to say they are not dead, until then they are nothing but gnats who whisper annoyingly in the ear of those bigger then them.
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter
TYC needs to stop smacking on the forums, cloaking in doril and bring a fleet to say they are not dead, until then they are nothing but gnats who whisper annoyingly in the ear of those bigger then them.
It seems the only one who is smacking right now it you. The above comment is nothing but smack. This thread is about why CC disbanded and the tactics that have been employed. This is not an In-Character discussion. Feel free to take your smacktalking somewhere else.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:14:00 -
[62]
/me runs and hides from the ebil cloakers
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Simariliia
wwhisper....I rarly dislike anyone, specially when its all a game......but all ure smacking and all ure whining is just stupid.
all ure false bullsh**** on this treath makes me dislike u even more.
No wonder why u get so paranoid in RL that u Imagen that someone accually would waste their money calling u.
Simariliia/Wildside (ASS)
I'm guessing it's time you take a break from the game. You seem a little frazzled right now. As for truth, why not ask your guys if they got on TS and started banning people.
As for being peronoid, you better belive it. If someone takes this game so seriously that they are resorting to making crank calls, what's next, showing up at my door with a gun? There are a lot of strange people in this world. So yes, I'm just a little peronoid.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:16:00 -
[64]
whooo im in a smack thread.
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:20:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Phuze
Originally by: Wwhisper
Originally by: Phuze
The hacking issues or whatever theyre talking about went on before -ASS- were in CC.
Nice that you spoke up here and backed me up Tyrrax .
See Wwhisper....even one of our naps is cautious...you can cease with the honor crap now, point proven -ASS- couldnt care less.
Phuze
Now, now Phuze. Don't go gettin in a tizzy. Have a donut or something.
I don't think I'm the one that brought up the -ASS- have honor thing. I think I responed to one of you saying you did, I just pointed he didn't. Now that being said, your pirates, your not supposed to have honor in game if that's they way you want to play.
It was our mistake for trusting you.
However, when you take things out-of-the game, that's goes too far. Although ODGP is more guilty of it, the fact that your guys did it as well, says something also about your groups' style of of play that the people that play EVE should be made aware of.
That takes the ebil pirating just a bit too far.
When I get phone calls on my cell at 1:30 in the morning calling me names and hanging up, that's taking things too far.
Honor? Respect? There is no such thing in BoI.
Let me tell you something Wwhisper, -ASS- never called you on your phone, your not worth a nickle, let alone the cost of a long distance phone call, wherever you might be. Its a game and if your a paranoid little twit we cant help that, but please get over yourself in thinking your worth our time of day, in or out of game, got it? And tbh ill pass on the donut, i prefer cookies On a side note, if you have proof of these calls i suggest you call the authorities, things like that shouldnt happen at all, also proof would be nice if your going to make such accusations in game, -ASS- call your "bluff" as usual, show me or Eve proof now hotshot, or your "honor" could be tainted. My post concerns -ASS- i couldnt care less about any other corp.
"Yarr n Stuff"
Phuze
Sorry,
After reading my post I can see where it might look like I was saying your guys called me. It was just a run on. I know who it is that's calling me. As for proof, when I get my next bill which shows the number I'll be sending that proof to CCP.
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Tactical Smack-Talker
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Simariliia
Die Gestrandeten
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Posted - 2006.09.30 04:17:00 -
[66]
if u had been so good at pvping as whining....maybe u could have applyed to ASS one day:p
too bad ure arent
Simariliia/Wildside (ASS)
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Norwegian Bastard! (-ASS-)
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n sx
The Tidemark
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: n sx on 30/09/2006 04:39:14
Thanks for the announcement CC 
Just to clarify, IAC's NAP with 187 was merely due to fact a corp left us, and joined them. We wanted to maintain those personal friendships. As Tyrrax said, he was highly opposed to the decision but was over-ruled by a democracy. Half our alliance is waiting for 187 to shoot at us .
The whole incident regarding forum hacking was truly unimportant to IAC. Yeh it's a little embarassing having it happen, but there was no point us trying to follow up how it happened or who did it. Sadly inter-alliance spys and alts are a big part of this game, and some people struggle to do the honourable thing. As someone else has said, in the end it seems to have been more important to CC politics than it was to IAC.
I think back to the days when we were in the process of launching our outpost, and I still for the life of me cannot figure out why we started fighting with CC. I am pretty sure it fell inline with the whole 'pirate' aspect of some of your pilots, as you were shooting ISS at the time also. I would be interested for any CC pilot to remind me if I am horribly wrong.
Wwhisper, you (and one or two others) are a disgrace to your alliance and it's people like you whom ruin your entire team's reputation. You are an admirable fighter, however your illegible smacktalk and general spineless behaviour is what lost you any respect that you had earnt in combat.
Kristoffer, while you were another of the less popular CC pilots, you certainly provided me with endless entertainment. Seeing you damaging pilot's repuations with that BattleOsprey had me in tears of laughter. Other memorable occasions included you warping into combat in a bestower ... haha.
In your departure from the entity that was CC, I was wondering if you could do me a favour. Is the rumour, that ISS paid you 4Billion ISK to not finish the takeover of ISS Marginis II and form a NAP true?
To the rest of CC, thanks for the hard lessons together IAC has matured significantly, and good luck your new appointments.
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.30 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Half our alliance is waiting for 187 to shoot at us .
IAC and 187 have too many common goals and enemies atm. sry to disappoint that half of your alliance :p
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Wwhisper
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Wwhisper, you (and one or two others) are a disgrace to your alliance and it's people like you whom ruin your entire team's reputation. You are an admirable fighter, however your illegible smacktalk and general spineless behaviour is what lost you any respect that you had earnt in combat.
Sorry, but what you or the IAC think of me means nothing to me. The only people that matter to me is Tyrell. Anyone else is unimportant.
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Tactical Smack-Talker
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Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 05:43:00 -
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Well before the thread is locked and its sure heading that way.
-ASS- to my knowledge, never did any out of game stuff. Luv or hate em, they only participated in the in-game stuff and this would include the coup attempt.
They were also one of the corps to honor the CC R.O.E. when there were others that didn't or seemed to have trouble doing so. Then again, they also participated in the coup to rid the strings of certain unpopular rules.....namely the R.O.E.
-ASS- is very difficult to describe. There is some form of a pirate code of honor there. It may be twisted, mutated and written in crayon, but something is there. The rest of us, and probably some -ASS- members have no clue what it really is.
 For the bazillionth time! ISS never paid CC any isk. But if it'll make you happy we'll take donations.
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Maria Ravenwind
Gallente
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 05:55:00 -
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Thanks for your replies Bach. On a personal note I'm happy to be a bit more clear on these subjects.
As for thinking that Tyrell has been defeated, I do not believe that many people feel that way. Most of us understand inter-Allaince politics and toll that they can take on gameplay. I understand that TYC was forced to adapt to a situation. This meant disolving an organization and joining a different one.
I'm personally glad, because TYC has some pilots that are a blast to fight. Now being in a more respectable alliance, I hope that they will be able to fight in a manner that is more tactically sound.
I hate my Exclamation mark!
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Murder-Death-Kill
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.30 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/09/2006 07:44:32
Ah yes, the reasons for fighting IAC in the first place?
Heres the truth.
Well, it began with my corp, redstorm, being a member of CCC. CCC at the time was fighting a losing war against IAC, and had a lack of leadership and participation. We saw the writing on the wall early and decided to join the newly forming CC with our new friends TYC.
After moving into the doril area, we realized that we still liked the old JZV area as a hunting ground and figured one day it could turn into a good area to buildup our alliance in the future. So in our freetime while we weren't fighting our neighbors, CDC, or RA in Doril, we'd engage IAC ships in G-7 and MB-NKE. Any oldschool IAC would remember RDST in the area often.
Somewhere around now CC napped CDC / priory and we became the local powerful entity. We placed up the POS in MB-NKE and did everything possible to fight IAC at every opportunity as RA had retreated. There ya go.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 10:53:00 -
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Interesting stuff Kristoff Did you guys leave before my corp joined CCC ?
IAC were great targets back then
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mudders
Office linebackers
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.30 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: mudders on 30/09/2006 11:41:18
Originally by: Wwhisper
Originally by: n sx
Wwhisper, you (and one or two others) are a disgrace to your alliance and it's people like you whom ruin your entire team's reputation. You are an admirable fighter, however your illegible smacktalk and general spineless behaviour is what lost you any respect that you had earnt in combat.
Sorry, but what you or the IAC think of me means nothing to me. The only people that matter to me is Tyrell. Anyone else is unimportant.
i'm sure the rest of VI, your alliance, will find that last statement very interesting
GL rest of tyc
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Bre-X Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.30 12:02:00 -
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Yeah those days were rough. IAC had been an empire industrial alliance mostly before then. We had flown with CVA and Huzzah in some ops in low sec. I remember one of the wars against The Short Bus Boys. Was funny when Bre-x, a mining and production corp, had 5 of the top 10 spots for kills at the time. Heck a 2 week old corp member of ours was top being that he was fearless and used a noob ship with a 2 strength scrambler to tackle. Got frustrating at times.
IAC had been running large amounts of logistics for pos productin in low sec and we had our sets on becoming a 0.0 alliance. We were green as a whole really, but Datamax, aka Yyrkoon was good at numbers and was able to give us our Marching orders. We started looking for a spot in 0.0 and we got an invite from celtic industries to come to the JZV constellation.
So plans were laid. Bre-x had prepared financially to make the jump to 0.0 as a few other corps. Genco had the resources already to get out there, and MINC was prepped too. In total that meant like a whole 20 active pilots from bre-x, 3 from Genco, and about 10 or so from MINC, out of an alliance of like 200-300 at the time well its the best we could do.
Logistics were prepped, offers were made to CCC about working together instead of fighting. We were turned down so the invation, which began with Celtic's Invitation began. Bre-x was the first corp to move their POS out there. Tigress from Genco used her dreadnaught to jump out the Bre-x pos and fuel. All CCC could do was watch while we moved in shouting at us in local. Soon after, MINC as well as Genco also setup their POS in RNF.
Things seemed to be going well all considering, a few bumps on the way. Yyrkoon had a new job and we lost our strong and highly involved leadership. A new fledgling alliance in 0.0 and coming from such an industrialist background we were in for some "fun." Tigress began handling the combat side of things, while the responisibility of day to day drama fell on me.
For 2 and a half months Bre-X, MINC and Genco were the ones mostly fighting against CCC. An enemy less organized and much less ready for combat than even ourselves. We should have mopped them up much quicker. However, the rest of the alliance literally scared of 0.0 and it took 2.5 months and the recruitment of some other corps to help ease the stress. I remember around this time is when Kirstoffer and his corp bailed and he convo'd me to offer up info on CCC alliance. He spilled everything from forum access to the mercs CCC was about to pony up and hire. We actually already had all that info thanx to spies in CCC already, but at the time we parted ways it seeemed we had an amicable relationship as we had no problems with them hanging out in JZV.
Finally we stopped messing around, alliance op was called to bust up the pos's in g-7 that CCC had. Our 80 ship fleet mostly of bs's hung on the gate and our dreads went in on the pos's. 3 went into re-inforced that night. CCC surrendered and we started getting on with things. As far as Tigress and I were concerned we thought we had turned a corner with having soo many pilots out in JZV, sadly most went back to empire for atleast another month and a half before we started having bodies in pods out there. Was sad when we would put together a gang to fight CC and other hostiles that started showing up and we were lucky if we scraped together a gang of 18, atleast a dozen of them being from my corp alone.
Shortly after this was pretty surprised when we saw redstorm corp setting up a pos in MB-nke under the CC flag. Having had contact with Kristoffer before we took his word about a ceasefire. Hindsight 20/20 shouldn't have trusted kristoffer farther than i could throw him. Oh well. Was a crazy time of bleeding and die'ing out there for something. Props to CC and all they did was a fun ride even when I took CC's bait and became the 2nd person to loose a carrier in eve.
As far as IAC goes, had some friends there, wish you luck.
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m0jo
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.30 14:51:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer
R.O.E = Rules of Engagement
Which you'd think would generally be pretty easy to follow if it was simple enough...you'd be surprised however to see how many "overview malfunctions" occurred pretty regularly.
I am a big fan of "overiview malfunctions"
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Ruff Ceyx
Amarr
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2006.09.30 20:05:00 -
[77]
Originally by: n sx
Kristoffer, while you were another of the less popular CC pilots, you certainly provided me with endless entertainment. Seeing you damaging pilot's repuations with that BattleOsprey had me in tears of laughter. Other memorable occasions included you warping into combat in a bestower ... haha.
The osprey.. He called it the scourge of RNF i beleive.
The bestower incident...well he is back on his medication now, and all is better.
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Murder-Death-Kill
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.30 20:11:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
I remember around this time is when Kirstoffer and his corp bailed and he convo'd me to offer up info on CCC alliance. He spilled everything from forum access to the mercs CCC was about to pony up and hire.
Interestingly enough Rawne, I didn't have access to the CCC forums at that point. Nor did I have anything more than general knowledge that CCC was "going" to have mercs come and engage you. The same level of knowledge that every CCC pilot had. I was probably steaming because I had just had a nice fight with Effei Gloom in alliance chat about the future of the alliance.
You don't like me, thats plain to see. But don't try to slander me after the fact.
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tufs
Caldari
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.01 08:27:00 -
[79]
mum, can I shoot people now ?
TARGITZ !
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Rawne Karrde
Bre-X Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.01 16:16:00 -
[80]
I still got the chat logs from when you gave me your ts/vent access pw's and your forum access passwords. Didn't try to use them as we already had that access anyways.. I wasn't slandering as it's true. I do remember you were quite mad, you were just bursting to tell me stuff.
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DeathSpawn66
Minmatar
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.02 04:51:00 -
[81]
I would like to retract my earlier statement about being honorable. After my comments about my corp I was beaten, robbed, my house was broken into, my cell phone was blown up, my wife and children were burned alive and I lost 1 mil isk in my account. I apologize to ass corp. We have no honor. We will lie to you and kill you. Please...no more phuze....
-The Loveable Nub
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Doc Brown
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.02 06:49:00 -
[82]
Originally by: n sx
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The whole incident regarding forum hacking was truly unimportant to IAC. Yeh it's a little embarassing having it happen, but there was no point us trying to follow up how it happened or who did it. Sadly inter-alliance spys and alts are a big part of this game, and some people struggle to do the honourable thing. As someone else has said, in the end it seems to have been more important to CC politics than it was to IAC.
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To be blunt, hacking an out-of-game forum (or in game for that matter) is a criminal matter that can be settled by the police. Yea, I know the police rank this crime on the scale of jay-walking or failure to indicate when changing lanes (though I've gotten a ticket for the latter, but it also came with a speeding ticket of 110+ in a 50).
The point is TYC takes that thing called Honor very seriously.
Hacking boards not only is uncalled for, but to be honest pretty much worthless. All it does it show the desperation of the person(s) doing the hacking. In game spys are much, much more powerful a weapon. (though char's should have some sort of flag when the ownership has changed).
TYC has always tried to be very clear on our ROE and who our targe......er....enemies are. Some find sticking to the strickt ROE too 'tyranical' but, oh well, they can just fade away like so many other corps without any backbone and soul.
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