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evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:28:00 - [31] Originally by: aggiedog The only problem that I see in this is some people will pay and some won't. THis will cause problems in gangs if some people can't do voice chat. With TS or vent you can guarentee that everyone has the chance to do voice communications. You are making a lot of assumtions with that statement. I have seen people non-tech savy who can't run or figure out how to use TS or vent. Some of them are in a suitation where they can't log-on, family is there, or something like that. granted there is always an odd-one out, but for all we know, it could be that anyone can listen, but you pay to talk. We just have no idea how the VoIP system works. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:32:00 - [32] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Well when using TS or Vent each time you key up to speak, does it show where that person is on the map... no, with CCP's when you talk it will show exactly from where on the map that persons communicating from. Yes ofcorse, simply asking 'where are you now' is too hard. I offer great smelling flowers
BlackHole Bob Amarr JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:50:00 - [33] WTS: EvE in game voice service for ISK!!!!!! It wont be long before voice service cards will be available to buy and sell for ISK on the forums just like GTC Blackhole Bob CEO: R-U-OK Corporation In Game Player Guide EvE-NN.com - EvE News Network
Edgars Sults LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:08:00 - [34] I really can't see the problem with voice integrated in EVE. If it wasn't reliable and the company which makes it wouldn't feel confident that their servers can't handle the amounts of people who want to talk, they wouldn't make it. And CCP wouldn't have given them the contract. Skype works. Why wouldn't it work on a much smaller scale? And it will be possible to pay for the service for the whole alliance or corp. I'm sure of that. So stop the whinage even before anything has happened. If you don't like the new voice system when it comes out, don't use it. Simple. Some people are never happy.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Tbone i wont use it. /signed
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.10.01 22:31:00 - [36] Does anyone know how this will work for people having more than one account? Having to pay more to use the same tool seems like a little robbery to me (but yes I don't mind paying double for more than one training character). A blog with a sneak preview would be cool.
Oriel Gallente Astralite Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.01 22:52:00 - [37] Why is anyone going to want to pay an extra Ç/$2-3 a month per account to use intergrated voice comms? If the financial reasons didn't deter (and they will) I still can't see what is so special about Vivox that will lure me away from using Teamspeak. CCP are wasting their time with it, tbh.
Mikal Drey Angels and Demons	Posted - 2006.10.01 23:05:00 - [38] hey hey did anyone catch the pod cast with the voice comms demo ? looked very good. as to it costing ? er.. who said that. isnt this an assumption ? also if CCP are like the millions of other companies it will be passed directly to the playerbase . . subscription increase anyone ? IF it works anything like the demo then i think it will actually change alot of the fleet communications. my PC hates Ts and my mic is constantly muted when and if i ever use it. also TS isnt exactly 100% secure but the Voice comms that CCP are going to implement wil have a very very secure channel. again thats IF it works like the demo. :))
Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.01 23:12:00 - [39] I didn't read this whole topic but the only way integrated will work is if it isn't truly integrated. If it's an external program that syncs with the client and can be used while not playing EVE. The reason programs like TS/Vent are so popular is because people can be chatting while not playing the game, can be used to play other games with people from their guild and work during downtime/crashes. Not to mention for the shady corps, organize login traps. Think of this like an FPS. Who actually uses the in game voice? pubers and nubs. All the competitive clans use vent.
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:11:00 - [40] I actually HATE games that have built in voice chat. I also refuse to play with anyone that requires you to use voice chat (as some do). I believe it should be optional, but if it is added to EVE I can see it becoming more of a requirement. I've been playing games for a long time and feel voice chat removes a lot of the immersion factor for me. When I get some loud mouthed Yank (no offense to the Americans) hollering out of my speakers it's no longer as fun. If they add chat at all I think it should be at least converted to synthesized chat. Voice chat also removes a lot of the skill factor from games. People no longer have to learn how to type fast to run organised events.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:23:00 - [41] An in game voice comm, that relies on the stability of EVE Server/EVE client to work... Yeah, thats a brilliant idea Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Angry Alt	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Oriel Why is anyone going to want to pay an extra Ç/$2-3 a month per account to use intergrated voice comms? If the financial reasons didn't deter (and they will) I still can't see what is so special about Vivox that will lure me away from using Teamspeak. CCP are wasting their time with it, tbh. Exactly. IF it catches on alliances/corps will have a 'reqirement' to use it, thus shutting out even more people. It's a useless feature that is already handled by TS/Vent. Forcing people to use it (which will happen if it's widely accepted) just locks out people who can't/won't pay for it. Wasted dev time IMO. Work on more server stability, take any devs working on this and move them to a more useful purpose that everyone will reap the benefits. I for one will definately not pay for this crap.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.02 03:28:00 - [43] Originally by: w0rmy An in game voice comm, that relies on the stability of EVE Server/EVE client to work... Yeah, thats a brilliant idea It doesn't rely on the EVE server. Inability/unwillingness to read FTL. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Chiron Typhon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.02 03:47:00 - [44] Why are you all getting so bent about this? Don't like it, prefer TS or Vent then use them. Sure a large corp can set up a TS or Vent server because there's always one tech savvy guy in your corp who has access to software and hardware and money to burn. For smaller groups or bunches of friends, however, they can't use TS or Vent due to not having a server so they have to fall back on other serverless voice comms like Skype. If they can use an integrated voice comm that has useful in game functionality then why wouldn't they. The main sticker is the price, there's only so much people will pay for convenience in what is still a game. New and smaller by request =p "Draw them in by the prospect of gain, take them by confusion" -Sun Tzu
Sunsets	Posted - 2006.10.02 03:56:00 - [45] Main plus to integrated coms would be having channels w/ restrictions limiting specific corp/alliance access and gang access.
Mesuinu M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.02 04:02:00 - [46] There's two problems as I see it. The first is that in pvp ops, reliability is the key thing. If you are fighting and the node goes down with everyone crashing for example, the fact that presumably being logged in will be a requirement of it working will result in much more of a mess for organisation on these ops than TS, where you can still hear what everyone else is doing. The same goes if you drop connection for any other reason, with TS you can still hear what's going on. The second problem is that I can see a situation where it really becomes a requirement to have the integrated comms anyway just for the extra features it will offer, otherwise you will not be as useful a member of the team. It would be a bit sad to think many of us might have to run both systems just to have all the benfits. But all this is a bit premature. The proof will be in the pudding.
Harisdrop Gallente RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.02 04:53:00 - [47] There once was a game that was going to be a PVP game where there was going to be industrialization in a single server enviroment. Who would of thought that EVE would be here. I say before any whiner keeps the spew why not give it a chance. I personally will be going to any service that CCP thinks will make the game exp better. I hope they just put the cost of the voice comms in the subscription. I think that if they did that there would be 100% agreement that we should use it. I want controls for each device soo my sound wiill be great and not have the exspolsions over my comms.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.02 05:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: w0rmy An in game voice comm, that relies on the stability of EVE Server/EVE client to work... Yeah, thats a brilliant idea It doesn't rely on the EVE server. Inability/unwillingness to read FTL. But it relies on the eve client, which cannot be up if the eve server is down. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Thaylon Sen The Rat Pack	Posted - 2006.10.02 05:45:00 - [49] I'm really looking forward to it... It's gonna be so usefull
Cipher7 Dark and Light inc.	Posted - 2006.10.02 06:55:00 - [50] Edited by: Cipher7 on 02/10/2006 06:57:11 STOP ADDING USELESS SCHIT AND FOCUS FIRE ON THE LAG. Lag is primary target Instas are secondary Scram em Jam em Bam em There is no tertiary target at this time.
Dudley Beekle	Posted - 2006.10.02 07:09:00 - [51] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: w0rmy An in game voice comm, that relies on the stability of EVE Server/EVE client to work... Yeah, thats a brilliant idea It doesn't rely on the EVE server. Inability/unwillingness to read FTL. But it relies on the eve client, which cannot be up if the eve server is down. Who says? Just because it integrates with the client doesn't mean it relies on it. It's amazing that so many people will criticise something they know almost nothing about before they've even used it. There's even people whining about the work CCP is putting into it. CCP aren't. They've done a little bit for the integration but they said that most of it was nothing to do with them. Stop being so godamn negative and wait until it's released. Judge it then, ffs.
Complacency's Bane	Posted - 2006.10.02 07:49:00 - [52] If the new voice coms arent completely seperate from the EVE client, 2 things will totally kill it as a project: 1) EVE with sound on = EVE lagging. I havent run EVE with sound on in years, and most people I know are the same. 2) EVE crashes. A lot. Logging in after crashing with no way to ask if anything is clear is a good way to die. Often. Those two problems are the insourmountable ones with integrating it into the EVE client. The rest are minor and solvable with some thought and planning.
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.10.02 07:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Angry Alt Exactly. IF it catches on alliances/corps will have a 'reqirement' to use it, thus shutting out even more people. It's a useless feature that is already handled by TS/Vent. Forcing people to use it (which will happen if it's widely accepted) just locks out people who can't/won't pay for it. This is my one concern about integrated voice comms. From what I've seen so far the implementation of it is going to be superb and a real step up from TS/Vent. CCP aren't amateurs, Vivox are also very experienced and I think between them they'll come up with something very good. BUT as soon as it becomes a requirement for Corps & Alliances then it'll effectively be just an increase in the EVE subscription fee and that's not a good thing for everyone. I hadn't thought about the multiple accounts thing either - that's a question that CCP need to answer really, will those people with more than one account have to pay for voice comms on all their accounts? If that does turn out to be the case then that might be a more serious blow to take-up rates than anything else.
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:02:00 - [54] if you people dont wnat to or are too cheap to use the program, then dont. Why complain? The the Hell wants to hear people *****ing about some feature that 99% of you have never seen and know nothing about. Sounds as if some people just like complaining. Use if you like it. Dont use it if you dont like it. I dont care if you love TS and want ts to have your babies.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Sosus Red if you people dont wnat to or are too cheap to use the program, then dont. Why complain? The the Hell wants to hear people *****ing about some feature that 99% of you have never seen and know nothing about. Sounds as if some people just like complaining. Use if you like it. Dont use it if you dont like it. I dont care if you love TS and want ts to have your babies. I think the problem starts when half the corp wants to use it and half dont. :) Its integrated into Eve in such a way that you really need everybody to use it, or none at all, otherwise you will have problems. I think it will have really good sound quality, and really good stability too since it operates on its own network. Im just worried the voice will disappear if you get disconnected from Eve. I hope thats not the case. We'll see. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Hed First Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:16:00 - [56] our alliance has vent - vent works great. somebody pays for the server somewhere, but it isnt me. i'm happy to contribute if asked, but of all the ppl in the alliance less than 1/3 ever fly in combat let alone even connect to the vent server. what am i saying? do you need voice comms to run a mining op in empire? nope... do you need voice comms to do missions in empire... no not really... low sec mining ops? again, not necessary but helpful alliance warfare? HELL YEAH you need voice comms... its voice comms or die TBFH... so the fate of this new system is gonna be decided by the 0.0 alliances to be sure 99.9% right? well heres a news flash... nobody . . . is . . . gonna . . . buy . . . it we got our own systems setup, its less hassle to give somebody an ip and pass than to cojole them into parting with their hard earned... ------------------------------------ I'm OMW
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:19:00 - [57] I hope CCP releases a seperate client that allows one to use voice coms even though the eve server is down. Otherwise itll be quite useless. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Dudley Beekle Who says? Just because it integrates with the client doesn't mean it relies on it. The big deal with the integrated voice comms is that it's integrated into the game. Either the voice client itself or the voice comms server is going to need a pipe into TQ to get access to real-time game data - who's in you gang, etc. If a node crashes that data isn't available any more, and bang goes the voice comms. TS sucks. I hate it with a passion. But a voice client that goes down with the cluster and requires a monthly subscription is far, far worse no matter how nice it is in use.
Bank O'Tree	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:51:00 - [59] Edited by: Bank O''Tree on 02/10/2006 09:51:27 I love all the ppl on both sides making statements about how a the new voice comms, will or will not lag out Eve. Or how it will or will not suck. Seriously, maybe about 1% of the player base in eve has even tried this. Leads me to believe that most of us our just talking out of our arse's. Anyways to add my two isk, I sincerly hope that CCP, allows all of us a 1-3 month free trial of this new feature when it comes out. To help facilitate informed choices on all our parts. *bah lousy alt was logged on, main is treelox
Fringey Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.10.02 10:33:00 - [60] Originally by: WildAmishRose There are a lot of people in this world who aren't quite as tech savy as the rest of us. One of those people, my old man, plays Eve, and enjoys it quite a bit. However, no matter how hard I try, he doesn't get the teamspeak thing. Eve voice support will be nothing but positive for him. It will give him the chance to experience another level of immersion in the game, that most of you are busy being too l33t to understand not everyone can do. Not everyone has ventrillo. Not everyone has teamspeak. Not everyone knows how these programs work, or even that they exist. That's a silly thing to say. Anyone smart enough to understand the mechanics of Eve is smart enough to download and read the help file for a simple program like TS.

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