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Jiam Grymauch	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:12:00 - [1] What tactic do you use vs. a close-range Vagabond in your Curse? Barring ECM modules.
Wild Rho Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:19:00 - [2] Tracking disruptors and a couple of scrams. If he gets in close you have a good chance of shutting down his mwd and tank, after that it's just a case of orbiting and tanking the few hits he does get on you until your drones kill him. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:22:00 - [3] Or just kill his cap before he closes and MWD away to abt 15km range. No cap on vaga = no web/scram/MWD... so just keep distance and finish him off.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:34:00 - [4] LOL @ this thread... Vaga comes close Curse activates NOS, TDs, warp scramblers/disruptors Curse launches drones to go in for the kill Vaga warps away! Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs; solo a curse will never kill a vagabond, since its simply gonna warp away, too many scramblers and no webber, then vaga is simply gonna fly away from you...
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:38:00 - [5] Essentially: If the curse pilot is a moron the vaga will kill it. If the vaga pilot is a moron the curse will kill it. If neither player is one the vaga will warp away.
Jiam Grymauch	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:47:00 - [6] I appreciate the generic responses. I guess I expected them. The TD seem like a good idea. I would like to believe that most Vagabond have a passive tank, possible 2 LSE. I am not sure about killing his cap considering I am sure that he would be right on your ass before his cap was killed unless he was asleep and didn't pulse his MWD. He does not need cap to keep you scrambled, simply pulsing his NOS and Scram together will keep you scrambled. I dont think drones will kill the Vaga that fast to be honest. Not to mention he has 5 Tech II drones as well most likely. In my estimation, a Vagabond with Gyro's instead of STABS, wins this fight. Simply, the bonus's this ship has does not beat a smart Vagabond.
Sebai Hana	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Kunming LOL @ this thread... Vaga comes close Curse activates NOS, TDs, warp scramblers/disruptors Curse launches drones to go in for the kill Vaga warps away! Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs; solo a curse will never kill a vagabond, since its simply gonna warp away, too many scramblers and no webber, then vaga is simply gonna fly away from you... Can I see your setup Nofo for Mofos
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.01 10:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Jiam Grymauch I appreciate the generic responses. I guess I expected them. The TD seem like a good idea. I would like to believe that most Vagabond have a passive tank, possible 2 LSE. I am not sure about killing his cap considering I am sure that he would be right on your ass before his cap was killed unless he was asleep and didn't pulse his MWD. He does not need cap to keep you scrambled, simply pulsing his NOS and Scram together will keep you scrambled. I dont think drones will kill the Vaga that fast to be honest. Not to mention he has 5 Tech II drones as well most likely. In my estimation, a Vagabond with Gyro's instead of STABS, wins this fight. Simply, the bonus's this ship has does not beat a smart Vagabond. you dont seem to know what your talking about. the nos on the curse are staggered meaning you wont have cap, until your dead, no cap no scram, regardless of the small nos or whatever on the vaga. and a couple of TD's can seriously mess up your day, if you keep tv high on the vaga with no cap. you can beat it quite easily, but it just seems u've never flown a curse, or fought one for that matter with a vaga. Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Kunming LOL @ this thread... Vaga comes close Curse activates NOS, TDs, warp scramblers/disruptors Curse launches drones to go in for the kill Vaga warps away! Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs; solo a curse will never kill a vagabond, since its simply gonna warp away, too many scramblers and no webber, then vaga is simply gonna fly away from you... LOL @ you (and your vaga setup) Most i've met use 2 stabs cause too much of em ghimp your setup (either damage or speed). But nvm that. How is vaga going to fly away from curse (considered its scrammed) when he has no cap to use MWD and curse on contrary can?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:07:00 - [10] It's a strange thing to say but some Vaga pilots have no stabs! Originally by: Bob Pilot I couldn't careless if BoB pilots log in belts
Talasan The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:29:00 - [11] like moi :)
Talasan The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:29:00 - [12] like moi :)
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Kunming LOL @ this thread... Vaga comes close Curse activates NOS, TDs, warp scramblers/disruptors Curse launches drones to go in for the kill Vaga warps away! Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs; solo a curse will never kill a vagabond, since its simply gonna warp away, too many scramblers and no webber, then vaga is simply gonna fly away from you... Wtf? YouEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums \| 204
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Kunming LOL @ this thread... Vaga comes close Curse activates NOS, TDs, warp scramblers/disruptors Curse launches drones to go in for the kill Vaga warps away! Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs; solo a curse will never kill a vagabond, since its simply gonna warp away, too many scramblers and no webber, then vaga is simply gonna fly away from you... Wtf? Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs. Id like to see your fitting, zwerg Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
Shadow Mancer The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Kunming LOL @ this thread... Vaga comes close Curse activates NOS, TDs, warp scramblers/disruptors Curse launches drones to go in for the kill Vaga warps away! Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs; solo a curse will never kill a vagabond, since its simply gonna warp away, too many scramblers and no webber, then vaga is simply gonna fly away from you... Lol at you for assuming that every single pod pilot fits stabs on their vagas. Ever thought of people that don't fit stabs on vagas? Vagas, in my own experience never won a single match vs Curse. I infact had troubles running away from Curses as they neutralise cap in matters of seconds, and when TD is being applied there was no way I could hit a curse orbiting around me anyway. Not sure how to fight a Curse, tho I know how to run away if a Curse didn't land right of top of my vaga ;-)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 01/10/2006 11:44:35 Looking from the vaga perspective: injector + web is the best way to beat curse methinks. Then you need to deal a LOT of damage to kill it before it kills you. EDIT: uhm... nvm forgot ppl need shield extender and vaga has only 4 mids...
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Kunming LOL @ this thread... Vaga comes close Curse activates NOS, TDs, warp scramblers/disruptors Curse launches drones to go in for the kill Vaga warps away! Your usual vaga setup consists of 4 warp core stabs; solo a curse will never kill a vagabond, since its simply gonna warp away, too many scramblers and no webber, then vaga is simply gonna fly away from you... LOL @ you (and your vaga setup) Most i've met use 2 stabs cause too much of em ghimp your setup (either damage or speed). But nvm that. How is vaga going to fly away from curse (considered its scrammed) when he has no cap to use MWD and curse on contrary can? 1st) come down to LV space, u'll be amazed how many WCS our enemies fit on their ships (yes 4 WCS on vagas is pretty much standart) 2nd) I dont fly vagabonds, but I know it can fit a med nos, he'll just nos u in between ur cycles and get enough cap to activate MWD 3rd) Vaga speed comes from ship bonus and snake implant set, not really low slots I dont point out the vaga to be an overpowered ship, snake implants and WCS make it overpowered, just like ECM + NOS makes domis overpowered..
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Kunming 2nd) I dont fly vagabonds, but I know it can fit a med nos, he'll just nos u in between ur cycles and get enough cap to activate MWD 3rd) Vaga speed comes from ship bonus and snake implant set, not really low slots I dont point out the vaga to be an overpowered ship, snake implants and WCS make it overpowered, just like ECM + NOS makes domis overpowered.. ad2. cycles on nosf on curse are abt 1,2 second (with 5 nosf), can vary with neuters. But assuming vaga gets nosf cycle in between i seriously doubt one (or 2) nosferatus will give enough cap to launch MWD. Also when curse manages to get out of vagas nosf range (or vaga never manages to get that close) there is no possibility of counter-nossing. ad3. not every vaga user has snake implants. I can safetly say most of them dont use em because of price.
Instagib Amarr Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Kunming 2nd) I dont fly vagabonds, but I know it can fit a med nos, he'll just nos u in between ur cycles and get enough cap to activate MWD 3rd) Vaga speed comes from ship bonus and snake implant set, not really low slots I dont point out the vaga to be an overpowered ship, snake implants and WCS make it overpowered, just like ECM + NOS makes domis overpowered.. ad2. cycles on nosf on curse are abt 1,2 second (with 5 nosf), can vary with neuters. But assuming vaga gets nosf cycle in between i seriously doubt one (or 2) nosferatus will give enough cap to launch MWD. Also when curse manages to get out of vagas nosf range (or vaga never manages to get that close) there is no possibility of counter-nossing. ad3. not every vaga user has snake implants. I can safetly say most of them dont use em because of price. Correct, never gona happen. Med nos gives 36 cap/cycle, while T2 mwd needs about 150 cap/cycle. Unless he has 4 nos and preferably T1 mwd, it isn't gona happen.
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:31:00 - [20] Edited by: Horza Otho on 01/10/2006 12:32:22 I don't know what most of you are smokeing, but a Curse will need 2-3 TD's to make Barrage in a 220 II on a Vaga not hit the curse. That leaves how many med slots for scrambs? Oh and how do you plan to deplete the Vagas 7k shields before you go down? Think people, think. And Kumning stop posting, you aren't helping your image of intelligence by spewing out these "facts" you have on Vagabonds.
asiandelight	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:33:00 - [21] Medium nos:(taken without skills/implants) activation time / duration 6,00 sec energy transfer amount 36 Random warpscrambler:(count reduction usage as in skill propulsionjamming) 5 Energy 5,00 sec So actually vaga can maintain his scram. mwd is out off the question racial jammer cap usage :(T2 without skills taken in account) activation cost 96 Energy So actually to catch vaga it needs 4 sloths. 2 warpscram 2 webbers(take good ones) Leaving 2 midsloths remaining to play around with. While dictating speed and cap. P.s. 5 medium nos is overkill,better fit some heavy missile launchers with scourge(T2?. And your drones prolly too better have a good damagetype.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Horza Otho I don't know what most of you are smokeing, but a Curse will need 2-3 TD's to make Barrage in a 220 II on a Vaga not hit the curse... Assuming a curse uses those and does not just pack ECM.
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Horza Otho I don't know what most of you are smokeing, but a Curse will need 2-3 TD's to make Barrage in a 220 II on a Vaga not hit the curse... Assuming a curse uses those and does not just pack ECM. Obviously.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:57:00 - [24] And thats why ECM > TDs :) Btw - wonder how would 3x damp curse do against vaga. My guess same as ECM one (tho you need MWD).
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Horza Otho Edited by: Horza Otho on 01/10/2006 12:32:22 I don't know what most of you are smokeing, but a Curse will need 2-3 TD's to make Barrage in a 220 II on a Vaga not hit the curse. That leaves how many med slots for scrambs? Oh and how do you plan to deplete the Vagas 7k shields before you go down? Think people, think. And Kumning stop posting, you aren't helping your image of intelligence by spewing out these "facts" you have on Vagabonds. Fact is vagas are fast, damn fast, fast enough to run outta sight on first approach if nossed to hell and thats only possible within 6 secs if the curse had 3 neutralizers fitted, on any setup like 3 nos 2 neutz, 4 nos 1 neutz, etc it wont happen. Fact is curse has **** load of EW, vaga will be lucky if he even gets a lock, recons are designed to mess up with multiple battleships, a single hac will never get through its EW tank. Fact is curse isnt as good of a tackler to keep the vaga on the field, so vaga will always run from this fight (rightfully) which it cant win. Also I have no idea why you're taking things on a personal lvl (my image of intelligence, etc..), attention disorder from your parents? maybe emotional depressions that you cant express out in RL? lack of social communication? Hell I dont know and I dont care..
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:01:00 - [26] I can say from my side: starting your response with "LOL @ this thread" is almost like being hostile towards everyone who posted already.
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Deva Blackfire I can say from my side: starting your response with "LOL @ this thread" is almost like being hostile towards everyone who posted already. i think people are just overly sensitive. its the whole "with us or against us" attitude that makes otherwise normal people start flaming over an insult that was not directed at them. but yeah, i also think that Kunming is mostly talking nonsense.. aside from 4 stabs on vaga. i can see this as perfectly normal.
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.01 14:00:00 - [28] Vaga with the right drones can mess up a jamming curse. Ship lovers click here
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.01 14:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Vaga with the right drones can mess up a jamming curse. Not gonna happen, vaga can only field 5 lights, curse has natural long locking range and usually a SB fitted together with better sensor strength than BSs. Neither damp drones nor ECM drones (well maybe if ur very lucky but then only for 20secs) are gonna jam it.
Sebai Hana	Posted - 2006.10.01 14:41:00 - [30] I don't think a Curse can mess-up multiple BSes. Especially not Ravens and / or Scorps. One BS is no problem thought. Nofo for Mofos

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