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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.02.09 10:23:36 -
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Kenneth Endashi wrote:I have played Eve for about one year, and observed that fewer women play Eve Online than men.
While I acknowledge variables like gender identity, avatar gender, and the choice to join teamspeak channels, I still feel like women are either missing from the game or underrepresented.
Incidentally - and of no consequence to my question, just an observation - a group I have noticed an abundance of are law enforcement officials, prison guards and truckers.
I always enjoy a diversity of perspectives. It would be ideal to have a group of people from all walks of life on the same teamspeak channel, for instance. But I acknowledge that even in real life, this rarely takes place.
I read a 2008 study that says gaming activates the reward center of the male brain more often than in the female brain, but I still don't believe that totally accounts for the discrepancy. I am wondering if any of you are aware of more complex studies on the subject. I also saw a 2013 "study" that suggests more women play games than men, but it was referring to mobile games like Candy Crush Saga, and did not speak directly to my question.
I believe there must be some social reason - maybe even a problem - to better explain the reason. This could be a good opportunity to hear from the women some of the things that potentially drive you away from Eve Online. I would love to have this discussion.
Thanks. Be well.
A better question is why EvE has a lower proportion of women than other mmos
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation
The Kadeshi
129
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Posted - 2015.02.09 10:32:21 -
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Have been in pvp fleets? Maybe it's Goon fleets but seriously ....
I'd run as fast as I can from the game had I been female. N3 isn't as bad (yet, in my experience).
I feel Eve is a very masculine environment (maybe it's the pvp sector) but else I don't know.
That said, when I lived in low sec back in 2009 I was neighbour to a very successful female-only pvp corp. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
735
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Posted - 2015.02.09 10:59:44 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Because most of you are assholes.
That about summed it up 
/thread
They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.
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Kestral Anneto
Umbra-Domini
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
30
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Posted - 2015.02.09 11:08:09 -
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Does it matter? I mean really?
If women aren't play EvE, they aren't playing EvE.
The players, the community and the game should not pander or change just to attract women to the game.
The game is over ten years old, it has a rich history and lore, it is an entity on its own that should not be affected just to 'diversify' the game.
If women want to play, they can either adapt and enjoy or go play WoW, like any other man.
On a seperate note, please don't start with diversity and Gamer Gate with EvE, it has stay relatively clean of that mess, please keep it that way. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
262
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Posted - 2015.02.09 11:15:53 -
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My scandalous and almost-seriousish suggestion is that almost all ships in eve are visually extremely phallic, with Throax being just the worst of the bunch. I can imagine that the visual design of internet spaceships does not appeal to women the same way it appeals to us men who get awfully excited about collecting bigger and bigger and shinier and shinier phalluses.  |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8801
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Posted - 2015.02.09 11:17:48 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Does it matter? I mean really?
not in the slightest.
fyi though, they do.
Kestral Anneto wrote:
On a seperate note, please don't start with diversity and Gamer Gate with EvE, it has stay relatively clean of that mess, please keep it that way.
a couple of people tried,
nobody here gives a flying ****.
the whole thing is so transparent and stupid thet even our love of a good manufactured outrage wasent enough to get the ball rolling
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Kestral Anneto
Umbra-Domini
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
30
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Posted - 2015.02.09 11:43:17 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
a couple of people tried,
nobody here gives a flying ****.
the whole thing is so transparent and stupid thet even our love of a good manufactured outrage wasent enough to get the ball rolling
Thank god for that |
Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
31577
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Posted - 2015.02.09 12:09:40 -
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You can't assign a gender to the space pixels that you interact with online. If it bothers you that much that not enough women are playing EVE, you can just pretend that everyone is a woman. |
Rockstede
30plus
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
274
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Posted - 2015.02.09 12:49:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:Elenahina wrote:Part of it may the fact that a girl in teamspeak is generally enough to reduce corps of grown men to teenagers in a **** measuring contest. I imagine it's amusing at first, but I expect the novelty wears off after a while.
We stamped out that bullshit a few years ago.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1702
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:04:33 -
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Who the hell cares? Do they explode in a fluffy cloud of cotton candy and kittens? No, they die in flames and molten metal just like the guys. Eve doesn't give a damn about your gender so why should I?  |
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UberFly
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:11:11 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Because most of you are assholes.
o/ Hello Pot 
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11710
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:11:26 -
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Because, for a likely variety of reasons, it doesn't appeal to the typical female gamer.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
262
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:14:25 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Who the hell cares? Do they explode in a fluffy cloud of cotton candy and kittens? No, they die in flames and molten metal just like the guys. Eve doesn't give a damn about your gender so why should I?
I care in the sense that we are probably missing out on a lot of good players because EVE, for whatever reason, does not seem to appeal to even the large number of women who enjoy science fiction.
I suspect that this lack of appeal is mostly because of eve's visual style or lack thereof, instead of any game mechanics.
It's not that we'd need to make EVE appeal to your stereotypical highschool girl, no. The problem is that even the women who are enthusiastic fangirls of Asimov, Star Trek, Frank Herbert, Sci-Fi TTRPG:s etc. go "meh" and move on when they see EVE. We fail to reach even the core demographic of science fiction geeks. |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated
Northern Associates.
86
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:23:08 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Who the hell cares? Do they explode in a fluffy cloud of cotton candy and kittens? No, they die in flames and molten metal just like the guys. Eve doesn't give a damn about your gender so why should I? I care in the sense that we are probably missing out on a lot of good players because EVE, for whatever reason, does not seem to appeal to even the large number of women who enjoy science fiction. I suspect that this lack of appeal is mostly because of eve's visual style or lack thereof, instead of any game mechanics. It's not that we'd need to make EVE appeal to your stereotypical highschool girl, no. The problem is that even the women who are enthusiastic fangirls of Asimov, Star Trek, Frank Herbert, Sci-Fi TTRPG:s etc. go "meh" and move on when they see EVE. We fail to reach even the core demographic of science fiction nerds.
I suspect tha the % of women who are attracted to sci-fi, and the % who are in EVE, are probably pretty close. The only thing that makes it more noticable is that there are something like 3billion in the world, and only, what, little over 100k in eve? 5% of 3 bn seems alot. 5% of 100k by comparison doesn't seem alot.
It's just that, it's a guy thing on the whole. Why can't peopel just accept that there are real trends in sexes, and we shouldn't force a group to do something, or try and entice them to do something they otherwise wouldn't do. EVE has no difficulty attracting and keeping guys ... therefore the PR must be correct in what it's advertising (unless by sheer fluke they keep attracting people for one thing, and these people don't get disapointed by what they find and actually like what is really on offer).
There are girls who fight, and those who don't. Like guys.
But I have to say, I do not wander around eve thinking 'oh my not a girl in sight', or anything like that. It doesn't even come into my mind. Which, honestly, is the best form of equality if you ask me. Freedom to choose.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
281
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:34:23 -
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My wife plays with me. We have a good time. But she hates some parts of the game. In particular things like Fitting.
But then again some of the best ever HKers i have blops with are woman.
So i think its about 50% guys in video games give women a vested interest in hiding this fact, or just not sticking around, and 50% its just not something they like all that much.. on average.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8801
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:54:10 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Who the hell cares? Do they explode in a fluffy cloud of cotton candy and kittens? No, they die in flames and molten metal just like the guys. Eve doesn't give a damn about your gender so why should I? I care in the sense that we are probably missing out on a lot of good players because EVE, for whatever reason, does not seem to appeal to even the large number of women who enjoy science fiction. I suspect that this lack of appeal is mostly because of eve's visual style or lack thereof, instead of any game mechanics. It's not that we'd need to make EVE appeal to your stereotypical highschool girl, no. The problem is that even the women who are enthusiastic fangirls of Asimov, Star Trek, Frank Herbert, Sci-Fi TTRPG:s etc. go "meh" and move on when they see EVE. We fail to reach even the core demographic of science fiction nerds.
Or
there's actually plenty they just don't publicly identify as female.
In the short time iv been PvP ing and interacting with the community iv come across a few (more than ye would expect) and they've liked eve for the same reasons I have,
they've played eve the same way I have,
they're just as ruthless as the next man,
The only issue I see is when they do join a Corp,
the teenagers and neckbeards lose their normal attitude and go full "omgomgomg a lady gamer waaaaaaw....quick, act natural" '****** and make everyone cringe,
no one enjoys that.
Those I have met tend to hang out with the adults -who couldn't care less about their gender-
I would advise ye against thinking of them as any different from yourselves
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
539
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:04:53 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Does it matter? I mean really?
No, it doesn't.
But that doesn't stop social justice warriors from crying bloody murder about it.
I'm seriously surprised the fact that there are so few female gamers in EVE hasn't attracted more attention from that crowd. It's probably because Ms. Sarkeesian doesn't know about it.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
6003
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:06:20 -
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Underwater physics causing drenched leg joints maybe?
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9652
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:09:12 -
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+1 for the "who gives a damn" group.
I've been to a couple of informal EVE player meet ups in Texas and each time I was the only black person there (don't let the white girl avatar fool you, it was like being a raisin in a bowl of cornflakes!!). Of all the things to be concerned about in this short life, why more 'people like me' don't play EVE or attend meet ups is so far down the list Satan could that part of the list as toilet paper.
I know a good few female players, some good some bad, none of them are fundamentally different that any other player. |
Kestral Anneto
Umbra-Domini
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
33
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:09:51 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Does it matter? I mean really? No, it doesn't. But that doesn't stop social justice warriors from crying bloody murder about it. I'm seriously surprised the fact that there are so few female gamers in EVE hasn't attracted more attention from that crowd. It's probably because Ms. Sarkeesian doesn't know about it.
Well, Sarkeesian has done more damage than good to gaming as a whole.
Social Justice Warrior's can carry on crying.
Though this is a good hypothetcial, what would CCP do if the SJW started bitching? Would they appease them? |
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
539
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:14:10 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Does it matter? I mean really? No, it doesn't. But that doesn't stop social justice warriors from crying bloody murder about it. I'm seriously surprised the fact that there are so few female gamers in EVE hasn't attracted more attention from that crowd. It's probably because Ms. Sarkeesian doesn't know about it. Well, Sarkeesian has done more damage than good to gaming as a whole. Social Justice Warrior's can carry on crying. Though this is a good hypothetcial, what would CCP do if the SJW started bitching? Would they appease them?
I was going to ask if you really thought Icelanders would give a **** about that... but I'm not so sure given that incident a few years back where CCP made a questionable hiring decision and got a lot of backlash over it. Of course, that was because this specific member of the community was known for leveraging her femininity and attractiveness for popularity and gifts from male players.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
39332
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:14:32 -
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Women don't play games, it's a well know fact.
As well as the fact that women don't fart or take a dump. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
539
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:20:08 -
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Rockstede wrote:baltec1 wrote:Elenahina wrote:Part of it may the fact that a girl in teamspeak is generally enough to reduce corps of grown men to teenagers in a **** measuring contest. I imagine it's amusing at first, but I expect the novelty wears off after a while.
We stamped out that bullshit a few years ago. Lol BS
It might happen OCCASIONALLY but I hear Mirana and other women speak up on comms pretty regularly and nobody behaves any differently about it. I think the one time that some guy did make a big deal out of it he was drunk at the time, and everything else he was saying was driving people into the No Chatter channel.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
31602
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:23:46 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Does it matter? I mean really? No, it doesn't. But that doesn't stop social justice warriors from crying bloody murder about it. I'm seriously surprised the fact that there are so few female gamers in EVE hasn't attracted more attention from that crowd. It's probably because Ms. Sarkeesian doesn't know about it. Well, Sarkeesian has done more damage than good to gaming as a whole. Social Justice Warrior's can carry on crying. Though this is a good hypothetcial, what would CCP do if the SJW started bitching? Would they appease them?
Depends on how outraged the community will be as a whole, more than anything. Bad publicity can kill and people enjoy spinning stories out of control just to smear somebody else, because why the **** not. |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated
Northern Associates.
87
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:27:08 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Women don't play games, it's a well know fact.
As well as the fact that women don't fart or take a dump.
well they do, they just don't usually brag about it, or do it in public. lol
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
69
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:30:15 -
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baltec1 wrote:Elenahina wrote:Part of it may the fact that a girl in teamspeak is generally enough to reduce corps of grown men to teenagers in a **** measuring contest. I imagine it's amusing at first, but I expect the novelty wears off after a while.
We stamped out that bullshit a few years ago.
I know - you lot have a good reputation where that is concerned. If everyone would learn from the example provided, we'd probably have more women active in the game.
On the flip side, I used to fly with a corp with one women, and a bunch of men. She got so much unwanted attention, she neded up quitting corp and starting her own just so our CEO would quit hitting on her on comms. And these are the groups that new female players will hear about first, I'm sure.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated
Northern Associates.
87
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:33:34 -
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Elenahina wrote:baltec1 wrote:Elenahina wrote:Part of it may the fact that a girl in teamspeak is generally enough to reduce corps of grown men to teenagers in a **** measuring contest. I imagine it's amusing at first, but I expect the novelty wears off after a while.
We stamped out that bullshit a few years ago. I know - you lot have a good reputation where that is concerned. If everyone would learn from the example provided, we'd probably have more women active in the game. On the flip side, I used to fly with a corp with one women, and a bunch of men. She got so much unwanted attention, she neded up quitting corp and starting her own just so our CEO would quit hitting on her on comms. And these are the groups that new female players will hear about first, I'm sure.
yup, bad news spreads much faster than good news.
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TOUCHING
ICONIC
SHIP
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:45:07 -
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Another Posting Alt wrote:Half of all the women in my household play EVE. What are you talking about? Is that like...ONE?
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:04:29 -
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"The average gamer may not be who you think he is. Women older than 18 are 36 percent of the game-playing population, while boys younger than 18 are only 17 percent, according to a recent study by the gaming advocacy group Entertainment Software Association.
The number of female gamers age 50 and older increased by 32 percent from 2012 to 2013. Men still make up 52 percent of the game-playing population, but women, now 48 percent of the gaming population compared with just 40 percent in 2010, are closing in. The rising popularity of mobile gaming is one reason why." Washington Post
The thing about that is, Facebook and "Mobile" games aren't really considered to be "gaming." Nothing like this, anyway.
As a female gamer playing EVE, but with a group of female friends who do game, but refuse to play EVE (and think I'm just a bit off my rocker for playing it) I think I can add some insight - since we have discussed this with each other. I do think, to begin with, the figure for "mature" females beginning to outnumber teenaged boys is becoming a fact. Some disputes you see on this forum over this game have a whole lot to do with tailoring this game to WHICH group? We are worlds apart as people.
That's a fact I don't think CCP realizes. I think they see themselves as boys (who're losing their greying hair now) amongst boys. So, female input on some EVE issues is taken...wrong. Even the contempt for "carebears" teeters on the edge of disrespecting, and claiming a rather large demographic isn't welcome here. We of course, aren't going to take that crap from a bunch of unwashed testosterone overloaded males who do this 'cause they can't impress a female well enough to get a date. *bobs and weaves* The pink sock, locket wearing dingbat female is a thing of the past. Meow.
My friends who game love to fight. I think seeing them play some of these games would be a real eye-opener to a lot of guys. They can be viscious to an extreme, but aggression? Puleeze. That is not a male domain. Those who I know who don't like this game object to the violence for no particular reason. They prefer fights that lead to a concrete result of some sort, not just fighting to be fighting which is seen (by them...and me) as a male, testosterone-driven spazmo fit. We see the guys behave this way IRL in other ways, and it's part and parcel of the same thing. That is a significant gender difference. I'll caveat - you can never say one size fits all.
Ladies I know prefer to build and nurture things, and see them grow. If they're going to lay something low, it's in the interests of maintaining or preserving threats to something they're growing. EVE is seen as being dominated by people who just like to get enough of what they need to destroy other people's stuff. It's a sandbox. These people just run around kicking sand in people's faces, while crowing, "It isn't against the rules, carebear!" Nobody with any sense pays for such an experience.
Get real. Only a fool can't answer your question - Why don't more women play EVE? 'Cause women aren't stupid.
There are other games my friends play. EVE doesn't exist to them. It only exists in the minds of those who play it.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
DARKNESS.
53
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:05:15 -
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EVE is a 'hard" game, and takes a lot of "work". If you look at what men and women tend to go into for careers and degrees, men tend to go into "hard" careers that take a lot of "work". Now I'm not saying women don't work hard, but they don't tend to go into the STEM fields (Science, Tech, Eng, Math) because that kind of work does not generally appeal to them for a variety of reasons. EVE is pretty much the STEM of the gaming world, and the kind of difficulty and gameplay is not what I would associate a women with doing. The games women tend to play are puzzle games (That's the one I do know), and puzzle games are about as far from EVE as you can get, and EVE won't really appeal to women.
That being said, the women I have met in EVE are awesome and CCP Seagull for president |
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