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Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 08:47:00 - [1] Last I heard Tux was playing with an MWD mass reduction bonus, but I haven't heard anything since and I'm not sure if I missed it, (I'm guessing not, but one can hope). On a related note: Is there any likelihood of this mythical new bonus being extended to the Thorax, which has the same MWD non-bonus? Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:25:00 - [2] We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. _______________

Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Ithildin on 05/10/2006 09:25:53 Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. WHAT!? NO! It's supposed to be a blaster boat, ffs! - Three years old
FFGR Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. I liked the mass reduction more. It was taken out cause you didn't like it or cause it didn't go as planned ? _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:31:00 - [5] More likely to conform to some silly plan that all ships of each tier should be equal, and since all the othes got a tanking bonus, so should the Hyperion. We need longer combat through hit points, not tanking. Tanking is lame, boring, and contributes nothing new. I was so looking forward to a proper blaster ship, and you go putting a bleedin' tanking bonus on a ship type that's supposed to be fast, heavy hitting, and FRAGILE. To make matters worse, it's one of those uninspiring +7.5% repair amount bonuses - which to be quite honest aren't very good. - Three years old
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:35:00 - [6] Hehehehe. Oh well. i guess i wot train gallente past frig V then Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:39:00 - [7] A tanking bonus? I remember it was going to get an agility bonus/lower mass. I might as well cancel my training for gallente BS then In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Spenz Gallente Empire POS Experiment	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:50:00 - [8] my god someone call the waaaaahhmbulance. Hurrah for armor rep bonus. If you want a blasterboat get a vindicator.
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. I hate to say it, but that really is very disappointing. I'd almost rather have the old MWD bonus than that, at least that had something to do with the role of the ship. I'd like to reverse my second question from my OP: Please tell me this isn't being passed on to the Thorax too? Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
jernej Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Ithildin Edited by: Ithildin on 05/10/2006 09:25:53 Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. WHAT!? NO! It's supposed to be a blaster boat, ffs! I'm sure it will have a missile slot or two so you can compensate with damage.
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:56:00 - [11] you ppl are never seace to surprise me. Did not your parents give you enough love? Why all this freakin whining all over the forums day in and day out. CCP have built this game from nothing over the past decade or so. They have created what you are playing today. You are paying for it and you are playing it - so that should mean you like what they have done so far. now put som farking TRUST in them or just quit and go play WoW or create your own gawd damn game! ___ Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:57:00 - [12] The guy says 'for now' and you all still go off on one :P Scrapheap Challenge Forums - All the cool kids are doing it!
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Spenz my god someone call the waaaaahhmbulance. Hurrah for armor rep bonus. If you want a blasterboat get a vindicator. Given that We have been repeatedly told that the Hyperion will be a dedicated blaster boat, I don't think it's actually too much to ask for it's bonuses to reflect that. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Donmadefy	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:58:00 - [14] Tux does say "for now" ... he doesn't say "and it's final" Is it worth us coming up with other options to suggest trying? How about enhancing the effect of nanofibres or inertial stabilisers?
FFGR Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Testy Mctest The guy says 'for now' and you all still go off on one :P You know that it is common practice to whine about something before it even gets released _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:01:00 - [16] So its now like a big-ass Brutix. I can't honestly say I'm massively dissapointed....I hate MWD bonuses. ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Sinjin Smythe Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. Im both amused and disgusted everytime a dev says something and then, 20 ppl goes emo and starts crying and moaning about it. Is it hard to read? He said FOR NOW, not that it is permanent. FOR NOW. See? Do you understand the meaning of that? As in not permanent? They have several times said they dont know what to give the Hyperion for its second bonus, they are still experimenting. Stop acting like 10-year old children.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:04:00 - [18] Tuxford, you have been mislead by people with an unhealthy sense of symmetry and quite possibly whom are out of touch with the game. The community is crying out for diversity, and you give them conformity. The only reason I can think of that triggered this change was that you want to make more fleet-oriented battleships, well in the case of the Minmatar and Gallente you fail miserably. Giving a fleet ship an armour/shield boost bonus is like handing a candle to light the way in a gale storm. Ships die a lot faster than a repairer, or even shield booster, cycles. The hit points gained from the single cycle that might come through will make no difference what so ever to the outcome except possibly require that last volley to use all guns instead of all but one. Additionally, the whole concept of a Gallentean ship in a long ranged engagement is absurd and wholy wrong. You have a lot of game changing to do before you can get close combat ships into a fleet engagement. If it is intended as a blasterboat, however, it is ultimate proof that the developer team as a unit is out of touch with the game. A repair bonus do not work because here is what a blaster boat is usually lacking: * Speed * Capacitor * Damage At no point does a blaster boat need repair amount. You need to survive until you are close enough to the enemy, you need to close in fast, and you need to kill him fast. Without speed, you will die before you get there. Without capacitor your MWD and few repairers won't be able to cycle, nor will your guns. Without damage the target's friends will kill you while he holds you down. To a lesser extent a blaster ship needs hit poits, but in this case it is pure hit points. With these changes, quite frankly, I am expecting the Hyperion to have: * More than 600 CPU * More than 20,000 Powergrid * Enough capacitor and recharge to put an Apocalypse to shame Otherwise it won't be able to make good use of it's given bonuses. P.S. Before people were concerned that the Hyperion would threaten the Megathron too much, as it turns out it would completely negate the Apocalypse instead. Gah. I hate PvE based changes. - Three years old
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. interesting seems like a useless bonous for a blaster boat since they are not intended to tank very well, its more get in do the damage and rep up afterwards if you survived. How about give the galante tier 3 a automatic structure recharge like shiedls. something like a constant 5 HP per sec structure rep! tank wise that only adds 61DPS tank to the structue if you use best named DCU. basicy that is not a good tank but it is a good buffer and imo a decent way galante can fight in comparision to this 61DPS free tank, a dual L t2 rep armor tank does 400-500DPS tanked dependant on resistance -- Imperial College London FTW --
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Sinjin Smythe Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. Im both amused and disgusted everytime a dev says something and then, 20 ppl goes emo and starts crying and moaning about it. Is it hard to read? He said FOR NOW, not that it is permanent. FOR NOW. See? Do you understand the meaning of that? As in not permanent? They have several times said they dont know what to give the Hyperion for its second bonus, they are still experimenting. Stop acting like 10-year old children. If we don't register our disappointment there's always the chance that the Devs will mistakenly believe we like the bonus and will end up leaving it there. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Sinjin Smythe Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. Im both amused and disgusted everytime a dev says something and then, 20 ppl goes emo and starts crying and moaning about it. Is it hard to read? He said FOR NOW, not that it is permanent. FOR NOW. See? Do you understand the meaning of that? As in not permanent? They have several times said they dont know what to give the Hyperion for its second bonus, they are still experimenting. Stop acting like 10-year old children. I must assume that you are new to the game. "For now" means that they consider that they'll change it in a later patch. "Later patch" means when they decide that a line of ships need moderation, usually slightly more than 2 years after the initial "for now". Heck, they said that the Ares'd have that missile/turret split "for now" back in the days, they even changed it slightly even more emphasising what was wrong with it, and it's still waiting to get fixed. - Three years old
Kendar Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:09:00 - [22] Whats worst the whiners or the ones that whine about the whiners? Tux as long as you make us a blasterboat that work we will keep loving yah, it might be tough love with whips and chains but thats love too!
Sinjin Smythe Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Sinjin Smythe Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. Im both amused and disgusted everytime a dev says something and then, 20 ppl goes emo and starts crying and moaning about it. Is it hard to read? He said FOR NOW, not that it is permanent. FOR NOW. See? Do you understand the meaning of that? As in not permanent? They have several times said they dont know what to give the Hyperion for its second bonus, they are still experimenting. Stop acting like 10-year old children. I must assume that you are new to the game. "For now" means that they consider that they'll change it in a later patch. "Later patch" means when they decide that a line of ships need moderation, usually slightly more than 2 years after the initial "for now". Heck, they said that the Ares'd have that missile/turret split "for now" back in the days, they even changed it slightly even more emphasising what was wrong with it, and it's still waiting to get fixed. I have played eve since beta 3, how about you?
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:12:00 - [24] Then you should know better. - Three years old
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. Ummm, what? I seriously hope that "for now" means "as a placeholder". If it's supposed to be a blasterboat, it needs a bonus that helps that role. A tanking bonus is pretty much the furthest thing from that. The biggest problem blaster boats have is getting to range before getting shredded. So add something that helps in that department.
Stephar The High Priest	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:14:00 - [26] Sounds like you folks got yourselves an Abaddon. It can gank or tank, just not at the same time.
Deepeh Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:19:00 - [27] Who the **** cares? Why make the Hyperion a blaster boat? The Megathron does the job fine. Never drive any faster than your guardian angel can fly.
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Deepeh Who the ** cares? Why make the Hyperion a blaster boat? The Megathron does the job fine. The Megathron does the job barely adequately. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort**
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:30:00 - [29] Edited by: xlop on 05/10/2006 10:31:35 5HP to structure per lvl [bit like a shield recharge], then a tier 3 galante bs can fit a setup and expect/not worry about getting into structure MASSIVE bonous to AB, +50% to AB speed [means we get a AB that is a MWD without the sig hit, slightly easier to fit, less cap!] +5% to resistance to shields/armor and structure, i would accept this, it gives a bigger buffer [which helps blaster boats] and keeps your tanking , although as a pure tank 7.5% to armor rep is > 5% to resistance. 5% to rof to blasters would make it a very nice DPS machine, but would make the cap problem much worse to slightly compensate, would use 52.4% more cap/s than a blasterthron. [might be overpowered ] some ideas Originally by: Stephar Sounds like you folks got yourselves an Abaddon. It can gank or tank, just not at the same time. erm no, 6 low slots will never make it a tank, and blasters cant hit at 45km for great damage while pulse lasers can. thus our great 6 low slots with a nice mwd cap penalty AND having to use the 700+cap per mwd cycle is definitly not a tanking machine, no matter how hard you try -- Imperial College London FTW --
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:39:00 - [30] Edited by: Ithildin on 05/10/2006 10:42:22 I believe the bonuses are: +7.5% armour repair amount per cycle per level +5% large hybrid turret damage per level Edit: considering that the bonus that was questionable on it was the MWD/AB bonus and not the damage bonus. Also, Xlop, the bonus Tux had contemplated last we heard was a mass reduction when AB or MWD was fitted. I think it was something along the lines of -5% mass, which would mean an effectiveness increase on MWD and ABs by about 33% as well as only slightly worse agility with MWD/AB going compared to without. Currently, agility takes a 50% hit when activating speed modules, with the mass bonus agility would only take a 12.5% hit. - Three years old

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