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McTaggart Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:47:00 - [31] I'd at least try a 5% reduction to cap booster duration bonus. Or maybe 5% reduction in cap booster charge volume. Those 5%'s are just placeholders, not sure what values would be fair.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Deepeh Who the **** cares? Why make the Hyperion a blaster boat? The Megathron does the job fine. The Megathron does the job barely adequately. Funny how gallente pilots keep saying this, and yet the megathron can sometimes even take on two battleships and kill them both before being in structure... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Ithildin I believe the bonuses are: +7.5% armour repair amount per cycle per level +5% large hybrid turret damage per level That's what I assumed from Tux's post. What I was hoping for was something along the lines of: 'x% bonus to effectiveness of mass and inertia reduction of Nanofibre Internal Structure and Inertial Stabilisers.' Where 'x' is a number balanced to ensure the bonus isn't utterly uber. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Deepeh Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:54:00 - [34] Hehe, well okay.. Never drive any faster than your guardian angel can fly.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Deepeh Who the **** cares? Why make the Hyperion a blaster boat? The Megathron does the job fine. The Megathron does the job barely adequately. Funny how gallente pilots keep saying this, and yet the megathron can sometimes even take on two battleships and kill them both before being in structure... It does the job adequatly, yes. Personally, I was looking forward to something that's fun to fly more than anything. A tanking Gallente ship is neither fun nor useful, though. There's been too much cramming new ships into other ships' roles lately, and too much cramming down new ships into roles that aren't suited for the race. - Three years old
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:58:00 - [36] Its the brutix all over again... i hate you now
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:03:00 - [37] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Deepeh Who the **** cares? Why make the Hyperion a blaster boat? The Megathron does the job fine. The Megathron does the job barely adequately. Funny how gallente pilots keep saying this, and yet the megathron can sometimes even take on two battleships and kill them both before being in structure... a lot of people say a lot of things, mostly bullcrap the megathron is a good ship, but there is very little situations its the best at, and dont get me wrong its a good ship! id take the megathron over the other close range BS for an unknown general situation, but the tempest would do much much better VS HACS and Frigs/cepters/af ect [2heavy nosf and dual 90% web just rapes smaller ships] id take the geddon for larger gangs because of range id take the raven over the megathron for 99% of situations if i had 2+ more in gang with me that could tackle and web! and most peoples experiences of a blasterthron is BS 1v1 where it does good, should beat all and only have trouble with ravens. -- Imperial College London FTW --
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:03:00 - [38] hey come on, it could have been a shield boosting bonus, which is probably the worst bonus for PvP ever -.- I havent used a shield booster since they boosted shield extenders, even for npcing shield boosting is pointless, 3x large shield extenders and 2x hardeners do the job much better From Dusk till Dawn
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Nafri hey come on, it could have been a shield boosting bonus, which is probably the worst bonus for PvP ever -.- I havent used a shield booster since they boosted shield extenders, even for npcing shield boosting is pointless, 3x large shield extenders and 2x hardeners do the job much better It could at that. Thanks for putting it in perspective for me. With this bonus though, the Rokh will be a better blaster boat. Imagine that optimal bonus using Null ammo on Neutrons. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Deepeh Who the **** cares? Why make the Hyperion a blaster boat? The Megathron does the job fine. The Megathron does the job barely adequately. Funny how gallente pilots keep saying this, and yet the megathron can sometimes even take on two battleships and kill them both before being in structure... I tried it with my skills and its not quite as simple as , "Warp in, MWD right up their arse, and press the I-Win Button". Luckily a passing carrier pilot decided to save me. ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Nafri hey come on, it could have been a shield boosting bonus, which is probably the worst bonus for PvP ever -.- I havent used a shield booster since they boosted shield extenders, even for npcing shield boosting is pointless, 3x large shield extenders and 2x hardeners do the job much better It could at that. Thanks for putting it in perspective for me. With this bonus though, the Rokh will be a better blaster boat. Imagine that optimal bonus using Null ammo on Neutrons. still the gallente ship will be the second fastest BS, only inferior to the phoon From Dusk till Dawn
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Nafri hey come on, it could have been a shield boosting bonus, which is probably the worst bonus for PvP ever -.- I havent used a shield booster since they boosted shield extenders, even for npcing shield boosting is pointless, 3x large shield extenders and 2x hardeners do the job much better It could at that. Thanks for putting it in perspective for me. With this bonus though, the Rokh will be a better blaster boat. Imagine that optimal bonus using Null ammo on Neutrons. still the gallente ship will be the second fastest BS, only inferior to the phoon True. That, at least has been got right. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:23:00 - [43] Rofl I almost suspect Tux just put this one in for laughs while the entire team is busy trying to get kali ready for us (yay!!). It would be funky with a repair amount bonus, i can see the benefit but i can also understand the people saying that this just takes away from the role bonus. With a ship that has (if I remember a dev blog + reactions correctly) low targetting range and poor tracking, made to blaster setups, I would like to see its boni for that role aswell. Most people agree that a blasterboat uses a bunch of the sawed off shotgun thingies and a MWD to get in close. Tanking is usually ignored, ganking in favoured. So if the general idea is to have fights take longer, I would sooner see a armour hp per lvl bonus, or perhaps a cap recharge per lvl. Ofcourse I would like the game to be kinda fair, if that means a rep bonus, so be it. As for the 'for now' thing, I reckon that means it's not even the release bonus, as kali has yet to hit the test server, and there are usually some < insert size here > tweaks that need to be put in before release when tested by the various players ;) - All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me - Pure drone user... give us a mini carrier and faction Typhoon and Dominix please
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Nafri hey come on, it could have been a shield boosting bonus, which is probably the worst bonus for PvP ever -.- I havent used a shield booster since they boosted shield extenders, even for npcing shield boosting is pointless, 3x large shield extenders and 2x hardeners do the job much better It could at that. Thanks for putting it in perspective for me. With this bonus though, the Rokh will be a better blaster boat. Imagine that optimal bonus using Null ammo on Neutrons. still the gallente ship will be the second fastest BS, only inferior to the phoon True. That, at least has been got right. And it will make the autopest as usefull as a freezer on the northpole From Dusk till Dawn
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:25:00 - [45] How about a 5% cap increase bonus/lvl for it and the rax ? That way you get a bonus that does the same thing as the one thats one the rax ( effectively negates mwd cap penalty ) and its of some benefit when you don't fit an mwd.
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Nafri And it will make the autopest as usefull as a freezer on the northpole turn the freezer off, and it will act keep hot food/drink warmer for longer than if it was left outside there is a use for ya -- Imperial College London FTW --
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Nafri hey come on, it could have been a shield boosting bonus, which is probably the worst bonus for PvP ever -.- I havent used a shield booster since they boosted shield extenders, even for npcing shield boosting is pointless, 3x large shield extenders and 2x hardeners do the job much better It could at that. Thanks for putting it in perspective for me. With this bonus though, the Rokh will be a better blaster boat. Imagine that optimal bonus using Null ammo on Neutrons. still the gallente ship will be the second fastest BS, only inferior to the phoon True. That, at least has been got right. And it will make the autopest as usefull as a freezer on the northpole Sadly, yes. My other character flies Minmatar exclusively, and I love the Autopest but it is going to have issues with lack of role due to the Hyperion. Which is why I suggested the replacement bonus I did earlier in the thread. If one were to give the Hyperion a low to average base speed, then the bonus I suggested would still allow it to be fast on AB/MWD but you'd have to sacrifice lows to do so, thus negating a tank. Whereas the Tempest would still be generally fast and able to tank better than the Hyperion. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Nafri And it will make the autopest as usefull as a freezer on the northpole We all should have realized that Tempest is a fleet sniper... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nafri And it will make the autopest as usefull as a freezer on the northpole We all should have realized that Tempest is a fleet sniper... and I use it only for that, but I have still hopes for it From Dusk till Dawn
Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:40:00 - [50] Edited by: Unfamed II on 05/10/2006 11:40:40 How about just letting the whine out when theres something to be whined about? Has any of you actually flown the ship yet? Put down your calculators, wait for the ship to come, test it, test it more and whine after, NOT before.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Unfamed II Edited by: Unfamed II on 05/10/2006 11:40:40 How about just letting the whine out when theres something to be whined about? Has any of you actually flown the ship yet? Put down your calculators, wait for the ship to come, test it, test it more and whine after, NOT before. yeah like with the phoon, just wait 2.5 years and look how fast it will get fixed From Dusk till Dawn
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Tuxford We put an armor repair bonus on it for now. useless
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Nafri still the gallente ship will be the second fastest BS, only inferior to the phoon The Tempest is also the second fastest battleship, but meh. In either case, the Maelstrom should have a +10% shield hit points bonus instead of +7.5% shield boost bonus. With shield hit points it might actually survive long enough to realign, do damage, and whatnot in fleet battles since it's supposed to be a fleet ship. Also, it would sneak in passive tanks for Minmatar. Oh, and it'd boost effectiveness of shield extenders by up to 50% on the Maelstrom. - Three years old
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:46:00 - [54] hmm rep amount aint too bad if it could fit neutrons + large repper\mwd\cap booster without needing a RCU or 3! 7.5 rof, 5% dmg 4tw -----
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Unfamed II Edited by: Unfamed II on 05/10/2006 11:40:40 How about just letting the whine out when theres something to be whined about? Has any of you actually flown the ship yet? Put down your calculators, wait for the ship to come, test it, test it more and whine after, NOT before. noob, if u whine after it will never be fixed
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:48:00 - [56] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 05/10/2006 11:50:30 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Unfamed II Edited by: Unfamed II on 05/10/2006 11:40:40 How about just letting the whine out when theres something to be whined about? Has any of you actually flown the ship yet? Put down your calculators, wait for the ship to come, test it, test it more and whine after, NOT before. yeah like with the phoon, just wait 2.5 years and look how fast it will get fixed Well i'm going to start whining now then, no Gallente ship should be quicker than a Minmatar ship of the same class, whatever "role" its meant to have. The racial differences arn't different enough as it is. It is there penalty for having huge damage and low range blasters, giving them lots of speed means the low range penalty is hugely reduced. Not to mention T2 ammo already means that "low range, high damage" balance is screwed up. I'm ignoring the Maelstrom, its an abomination! Edit: A minmatar ship, enemies of Amarr designing a big slow shield tanking ship... I think they were smoking something. Nothing against shield tank, just big and slow like we're trying to go toe to toe with Amarr is completly against the minmatar way!) ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:50:00 - [57] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Nafri still the gallente ship will be the second fastest BS, only inferior to the phoon The Tempest is also the second fastest battleship, but meh. In either case, the Maelstrom should have a +10% shield hit points bonus instead of +7.5% shield boost bonus. With shield hit points it might actually survive long enough to realign, do damage, and whatnot in fleet battles since it's supposed to be a fleet ship. Also, it would sneak in passive tanks for Minmatar. Oh, and it'd boost effectiveness of shield extenders by up to 50% on the Maelstrom. I still demand a real missle ship for us minmatars :D 8/5/6 hihi, finally a use for the bellicose in a minmatar fleet From Dusk till Dawn
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Mila Prestoc Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 05/10/2006 11:50:30 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Unfamed II Edited by: Unfamed II on 05/10/2006 11:40:40 How about just letting the whine out when theres something to be whined about? Has any of you actually flown the ship yet? Put down your calculators, wait for the ship to come, test it, test it more and whine after, NOT before. yeah like with the phoon, just wait 2.5 years and look how fast it will get fixed Well i'm going to start whining now then, no Gallente ship should be quicker than a Minmatar ship of the same class, whatever "role" its meant to have. The racial differences arn't different enough as it is. It is there penalty for having huge damage and low range blasters, giving them lots of speed means the low range penalty is hugely reduced. Not to mention T2 ammo already means that "low range, high damage" balance is screwed up. I'm ignoring the Maelstrom, its an abomination! Edit: A minmatar ship, enemies of Amarr designing a big slow shield tanking ship... I think they were smoking something. Nothing against shield tank, just big and slow like we're trying to go toe to toe with Amarr is completly against the minmatar way!) and caldari should? look at the crow
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:52:00 - [59] Edited by: MECTO on 05/10/2006 11:52:35 double post
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:55:00 - [60] I have come to the conclusion that the Gallente people are NEVER EVER happy with what they get.. EVER. Except for the Domi, Ishtar and Taranis. The Mega for me is great and tbfh imo tier3 bs wont be the kings of the hills.

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