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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:55:00 -
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Haha pwnage on a stick me thinks... its a blaster boat meaning more PG its a close combat meaning it will have to be pretty quick... it doesnt have a tracking bonus ( uhoh looks like my blasters missed that tree even thought they abosorbed it...) and my good god its got poor locking range... this ship is guna pwn big time
and im not being sarcastic... if they make it so poor in other parts of the ship its guna have to make up for it with the actual damage output/ speed
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:57:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Unfamed II
Edited by: Unfamed II on 05/10/2006 11:40:40
How about just letting the whine out when theres something to be whined about? Has any of you actually flown the ship yet? Put down your calculators, wait for the ship to come, test it, test it more and whine after, NOT before.
Thats akin to designing and building a plane, selling it and getting a full load of passengers on it, only to find it crashes as you take-off because you forgot to put a tail on it in the design and left out the testing stage.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:57:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Twilight Moon on 05/10/2006 12:02:27
Double Post
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...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:58:00 -
[64]
7,5% reduction in blasters signature resolution per level ?
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:01:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Cuebick
I have come to the conclusion that the Gallente people are NEVER EVER happy with what they get.. EVER.
Except for the Domi, Ishtar and Taranis.
The Mega for me is great and tbfh imo tier3 bs wont be the kings of the hills.
taranis need more pg! ishtar too, can't double rep it with 1600mm plates and many nosfs 
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:42:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Cuebick
I have come to the conclusion that the Gallente people are NEVER EVER happy with what they get.. EVER.
Except for the Domi, Ishtar and Taranis.
The Mega for me is great and tbfh imo tier3 bs wont be the kings of the hills.
That one came from the blue. Aren't you confusing Gallente with Amarr, or maybe Minmatar? Or possibly Caldari.
No, wait. Everyone's got whiners. Or perhaps, the term should be "everyone else", since it's really relative.
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Brother Todd
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:55:00 -
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not to be an ass or anything. But you hated the MWD bonuses, he changed it. You hate the new bonus, fair enough. All you've said is what you don't like (everything so far). What do you want?
How is it constructive to whine about the current concept (which none of you have tested) instead of actually coming up with some new ideas for a second bonus?
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JoCool
Caldari
Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:09:00 -
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I just hope the Tier 3 battleships will not outperform our lovely old ones.
That means I'd like the Hyperion different and not take the Blasterthron's role. If it has 6 medium slots or whatever is intended, it should maybe feature 5 low slots at a maximum. Then you might want to give it a shield resistance bonus of 5% per level, so you can really have a new style of ship. A Blasterion with the medium slots for a MWD, Web, Scrambler, Cap Booster, XL SB and an Invul Field/EM Ward as defense. This is like a 3 slot light shield tank. Now due to the lowslots you'd want to fit Power Diagnostic Units if you want Neutrons, Mag stabs if you use Electrons or Ions, ECCMs, Nanos to get RLY fast (ever flown a ship with 5 Nanos? Jesus Christ, it's a rocket with blasters), WCS, Cap Relays or whatever you wish. It's always a surprise to encounter one! Keep the locking range like it is so it does not become a Sniperboat with super tank like the Caldari Tier 3.
My concerns about too strong and "same" boring ships also relates to the Caldari Railboat.
Although I am a Caldari myself and fly nothing else, I fear the Rohk as being too strong with 8 turrets, the range bonus, the shield resistance bonus AND one more slot. It will be the best sniper, but I like it as an alternative to the Megathron, Tempest and Abbadon - not something better. You might want to cut a medium slot so it has the same medium/lowslot configuration like the Raven and change the shield resistance bonus to something else, for example the tracking bonus like the Megathron has so it can also hit at ranges of less than 30km. With 6 (7!) medium slots, the resistances and the not needed tracking enhancers, this ship really might become a too strong sniper tank WITH ecm ability.
The Abbadon is fine, it should be the only can-be-sniper with resistances because its defense is hard to keep up when you're shooting. Therefore it also is not perfect and seems balanced - probably even with the possible one more slot.
The Maelstron looks fine, now that the other ships don't seem uber anymore, it really looks nice. It can boost the most hitpoints per second of all battleships and looks like a good gunboat to me. It cannot hold its target, but then again it's not an AC boat and relies on others as tacklers - like the Rohk and Abbadon will do too.
I hope some of you would feel warm and fuzzy with my ideas about the Tier 3 battleships. Please don't make them too strong - you might want to make then as innovative and "new feel" as possible - for all your good veteran customers out there.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
We put an armor repair bonus on it for now.
Suxford!
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:13:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Nafri
And it will make the autopest as usefull as a freezer on the northpole
We all should have realized that Tempest is a fleet sniper...
But with the Maelstorm even that role will be limited. Only way for the tempest to outdamage a maelstorm are by using it's utility slots which it really can't in fleet duty.
Add to this more slots and probably higher base lock range and I see little reason to use a tempest for fleets (other than to save some isk).
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
Although I am a Caldari myself and fly nothing else, I fear the Rohk as being too strong with 8 turrets, the range bonus, the shield resistance bonus AND one more slot.
No kidding. The Maelstrom that actually NEEDS tracking computers (since it doesnt have a range bonus and artillery tracking is awful) gets perhaps 5 medium slots (and its a shield tanker!), but the Rohk looks to get 7 medium slots...and sure, it really needs those 7 slots, because it will take alot of damage being 250 km from the target (longer range than any other ship in the game)... </irony>
Oh well. I shouldnt get into these threads... I guess I just dont understand balance.
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:18:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Hoshi
I see little reason to use a tempest for fleets (other than to save some isk).
The tempest will align and warp faster for when you want to run, because in keeping with Minmatar design philosophy, the Maelstrom is a big, slow, heavy, tanking machine.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:19:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Nafri
And it will make the autopest as usefull as a freezer on the northpole
We all should have realized that Tempest is a fleet sniper...
But with the Maelstorm even that role will be limited. Only way for the tempest to outdamage a maelstorm are by using it's utility slots which it really can't in fleet duty.
Add to this more slots and probably higher base lock range and I see little reason to use a tempest for fleets (other than to save some isk).
I think people will prefer the Tempest even with the Maelstrom in the game, because I really dont see why you would want to use it for fleet sniping.
I think it will be used for medium range gankage with Quake (since it wont have room for both shield tank and sensor boosters/tracking computers), and gate camping.
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:00:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Brother Todd
How is it constructive to whine about the current concept (which none of you have tested) instead of actually coming up with some new ideas for a second bonus?
There are 5-6 suggestions for a second bonus in this thread, you didn't read all the posts maybe.
The armor repair bonus just doesn't fit well with the ship philosophy. I'd personally like one of those:
- reduction in large blasters signature resolution (my favourite)
- a second damage bonus
- increase in agility and speed
- large increase in agility
- falloff bonus (overpowered maybe ?)
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:05:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Cuebick
I have come to the conclusion that the Gallente people are NEVER EVER happy with what they get.. EVER.
Except for the Domi, Ishtar and Taranis.
The Mega for me is great and tbfh imo tier3 bs wont be the kings of the hills.
They dont realize that they already have the two best battleships in game, by far. Anyone who disagrees is a ******* idiot.
The raven is 3rd best btw.
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Demon Johnson
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:11:00 -
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I guess there is a simple reason why Tux cannot put in a pure blaster bonus:
Blasters and Railguns are at least in TL1 the same type of weapon and use the same skill: hybride
So he cannot (programming-wise) put a bonus on a ship which only boosts blasters. The only thing he could do perhaps is a TL2 blaster bonus, because they require an own skill.
But I too would like a mass-reduction. A "light" ship can change course faster, reach the enemy faster and circle him closer. When you fit railguns on the same ship, the bonus doesnŠt help so much, as you always outrun your enemy with top-speed which is not effected by mass.
Correct me if i am wrong 
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:29:00 -
[77]
The autotempest will be completely useless after the hyperion comes in. Its already dying due to the overpowered blasterthron.
Megathron needs a dronebay nerf, tbh, hail needs to be unnerfed so tempests can actually use hail to compete with void, and there need to be 30km+ warp disruptors for tempests and whatnot.
That still doesnt help vs the hyperion though. Hyperion = FFS
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:32:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Alex Tremayne on 05/10/2006 14:35:45
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Edited by: Tasty Burger on 05/10/2006 14:06:32
Originally by: Cuebick
I have come to the conclusion that the Gallente people are NEVER EVER happy with what they get.. EVER.
Except for the Domi, Ishtar and Taranis.
The Mega for me is great and tbfh imo tier3 bs wont be the kings of the hills.
They dont realize that they already have the two best battleships in game, by far. Anyone who disagrees is a ******* idiot.
The raven is 3rd best btw.
Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: Hoshi
I see little reason to use a tempest for fleets (other than to save some isk).
The tempest will align and warp faster for when you want to run, because in keeping with Minmatar design philosophy, the Maelstrom is a big, slow, heavy, tanking machine.
Yeah... too bad in a fleet you're already aligned anyway. You know nothing. Stop posting.
Whereas you clearly have no concept of either 'sarcasm' or 'irony'. Keep posting. You amuse me.
edit: typo
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Ju Blimb
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:32:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Tasty Burger
The autotempest will be completely useless after the hyperion comes in. Its already dying due to the overpowered blasterthron.
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Bazman
Caldari
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:34:00 -
[80]
Just lol.
I can live with a rep bonus, but it's just so samey, I would rather have the bonus that affects its speed or agility. I don't envy Tux tbh.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:36:00 -
[81]
I;d rather have an agile and fast ship then some type of half-tank.
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Stanis
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:49:00 -
[82]
I do not know what are you ppl talking about but I just LOVE THE TANK BONUS!!! OVERSIZED BRUTIX 4TW!!
/me hugs Tuxford
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:49:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
I;d rather have an agile and fast ship then some type of half-tank.
Fly a Tempest. 
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.05 15:16:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tuxford
We put an armor repair bonus on it for now.
What the heeeeeell?!?!
That's utterly useless. Point me to one blasterthron pilot with sense which doesn't dump armour repairers in lieu of plates.
Great, I had high hopes for this ship.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.10.05 15:37:00 -
[85]
Ohh my god....Tux ....dont go that way....
I mean come on the only BS that is cool is the caldari one ,now the rest are mhee(not good not bad).
I wont even ask if you changed the bonus on the tier3 minmatar one..
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Par'Gellen
Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2006.10.05 15:39:00 -
[86]
I like the idea of an armor repair bonus! \o/
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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.05 15:44:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Spenz
my god someone call the waaaaahhmbulance. Hurrah for armor rep bonus. If you want a blasterboat get a vindicator.
stfu please  .
Give a man a fish, and he has food for a day.
Teach a man how to fish, and he has food for a litetime.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.05 16:18:00 -
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Armour Repair bonus = LAME
Give it an MWD bonus of a sort, or some sort of engine thing that it makes acceleration and Decelleration relatively easy, and have it not take your soul in cap. It should be able to cross a 30km+ distance and not be anywhere near out of cap.
If you want to up the engine power on the ship that alone could take care of speed issues, just drop the armor repair bonus for an armor HP bonus for endurance. Let it last a while but I am sick of everything gallente being the WTF-Armortank-Pwnmobile. The concept of Gallente would be best in my opinion if it were designed around the utter damage potential at extremely close range rather than on the tanking side as much as it is. Amarr are supposed to be the ones with the unbreakable tank, but hey, its not like you see that happen. But I digress...
Basically IMO the ultimate in the blaster class should be designed more around getting into range and massively outdamaging the opponent rather than outtanking, outdamaging, and outspeeding the opponent and throwing in some ECM so it can kick anything's ass that tries to come anywhere near toe-to-toe with it at its leisure.
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Blind Man
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.05 16:50:00 -
[89]
complaining, about an armor rep bonus 
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.10.05 16:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Blind Man
complaining, about an armor rep bonus
Its not a bad bonus, its just out of place with how most people want the ship to be: Fast Neutron Ganker
If the bonus stays it will be a good with an electron or possibly ion setup, but will be next to useless with neutrons. I could live with it since part of the idea of blaster boats is to stay alive long enough to get into range, but would much rather have the 5% to resists bonus that would help all setups.
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