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Nebulai
ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.07 09:54:00 -
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Hi all,
I have some news regarding the ongoing Tetrimon
Unfortunately it seems certain corporations have managed to obtain inside information pertaining to our plans for the Arc. This has effectivly ended 11 months of planning by our senior producers for the Tetrimon and also CoC event arcs (and an associate as of yet 'unknown' arc that was due to start).
This is an extremely disappointing development not only for Aurora, but also for those of you taking part in these events and who didn't receive this information.
The information released was never intended to be aired in a public light and as such should not of been at all - certainly not to base assumptions off. I'm also slightly disappointed that this corporation in question choose to act on the data as opposed to realising what was happening was wrong.
We have now effectivly killed of these Arc's - being given no choice in the matter. We may or may not revisit them, however it will require significant re-planning to do so. The producers in question are debating how to proceed.
I'm sorry this has happened, and on behalf of the rest of Aurora I apologise to those this affects. I will find the person responsible and take the appropiate actions.
-- Nebulai Vice-Admiral Aurora, ISD [email protected]
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.07 10:04:00 -
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Ruining AURORA's plans is bad, and should obviously result in instant ejection from the program.
However, this is going to effect a whole lot of innocent players very negatively. I think something like this should result in actual permabans from EVE for the players responsible. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Graelyn
Amarr The Aeternus Crusade Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.10.07 10:49:00 -
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3 Years...
Well, onto the next Adventure!
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia "The power of foresight is no blessing." |
Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.07 11:34:00 -
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Well that sucks and I hope the people who are responsible for this realise what they have done. Well done, you have killed one of the longest Aurora story arcs in EVE. ------
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Count Trayela
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Posted - 2006.10.07 11:53:00 -
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So the rumours going around about Lotka Volterra / M Corp cheating their way to a mothership are true? If that's indeed the case and considering they must have known what they did was wrong there better be some bannings
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Dogal
ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.07 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Count Trayela So the rumours going around about Lotka Volterra / M Corp cheating their way to a mothership are true? If that's indeed the case and considering they must have known what they did was wrong there better be some bannings
The Tetrimon storyline has nothing to do with either of these corporations or that mothership mothership. -------------- Dogal Aurora Captain The Aurora Project [email protected] |
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Count Trayela
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Posted - 2006.10.07 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dogal
Originally by: Count Trayela So the rumours going around about Lotka Volterra / M Corp cheating their way to a mothership are true? If that's indeed the case and considering they must have known what they did was wrong there better be some bannings
The Tetrimon storyline has nothing to do with either of these corporations or that mothership mothership.
Ah, thanks. Jita's been buzzing with stories about that corporation having advance info about and being prepared for the mothership event so I mistakenly assumed this was about that issue
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Kyguard
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 13:23:00 -
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Before I make any comments.. what is an Arc? I'm not entirely on the ball on what is going on here. Someone explain? ===
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/10/2006 14:25:07 That really sucks.
Just as things were starting to look up, this happens.
I assume that the leaker has been appropriately punished?
I just hope that something can be salvaged from this, even if it's just a series of news articles.
It would be a shame for this all to just die after so much time and effort from both the Aurora chaps and the people who've been taking part in the events.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 14:30:00 -
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Dont stop the event.
Its easily the best you have going here, and some moron leaking information to some other moron who was too stupid not to realise that the information could not be acted upon as it was purely OOC should not be enough to stop it.
You are doing well, your event seems to be keeping people's interest just about perfectly, and if some people have gotten information they should never have gotten, well they wont be able to act on it IC without getting told 'You are insane'.
Take the time to find the leak, silence it, and then get back to the story you have going here, because damnit its a good one so far.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
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Dogal
ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.07 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard Before I make any comments.. what is an Arc? I'm not entirely on the ball on what is going on here. Someone explain?
An arc is like a season in a tv-show or the whole TV show. So an Arc is our case a series of events, news ideas, stories and plots that unfold in parts of EVE.
In this case it is more like someone leaking the script for say the new Star Trek series or the next 3-4 seasons when 2 have been aired and the show is due to that reason closed.
I hope that it is better explained now for the one that wasn't sure.
-------------- Dogal Aurora Captain The Aurora Project [email protected] |
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Amarr Citizen 13513
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Posted - 2006.10.07 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dogal
Originally by: Kyguard Before I make any comments.. what is an Arc? I'm not entirely on the ball on what is going on here. Someone explain?
An arc is like a season in a tv-show or the whole TV show. So an Arc is our case a series of events, news ideas, stories and plots that unfold in parts of EVE.
In this case it is more like someone leaking the script for say the new Star Trek series or the next 3-4 seasons when 2 have been aired and the show is due to that reason closed.
I hope that it is better explained now for the one that wasn't sure.
No reason to trash the whole arc, just slap anyone who tries to use information gained out of character in character, and ban anyone from the corps and alliances the info was leaked to from participation.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 14:48:00 -
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I'm very disappointed. While PIE hasnt been a Tetrimon supporter I've played the card of "religious man" and talked to Grand Master Horm about the Scriptures. As a "Man of God" my character was looking forward to new words of wisdom and faith to use in my RP.
I do think that now the Tetrimon is part of the Prime Fiction fabric of the Empire. It cant just be "removed" cold turkey. Some kind of ending has to be enacted to bring RP finality to the arc. Dont just cut it off.
Bad Suggestion: The Scriptures are false and Tetrimon goes back to deep space never to be seen again.
Better Suggestion: Rewrite the ending so the arc plan that was revealed is no more and a new arc that is secret is enacted.
Dont let the actions of one person ruin a good arc that is close to the hearts of many. Its a good story and I dont want this to be the last chapter.
Archie
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/10/2006 15:02:42
Quote: No reason to trash the whole arc, just slap anyone who tries to use information gained out of character in character, and ban anyone from the corps and alliances the info was leaked to from participation.
Problem with the second part of that is that the first thing done with that information by the recipient may have been to tell it to as many people as possible. Therefor if say 10 people were told about it, 5 of them saw it was something they shouldnt know and didnt tell anyone, 3 were iffy about it and told it to a small circle of others, and they stopped it there, and 2 did the same thing the original person did... repeat the process ad naseum till everyone in the arc has at least heard a rumor of it.
Thats a problem, for sure. But I dont think that they should cancel because of it.
For one, you CANT cancel a plot arc like this in EVE the way you could a TV show. A TV show cancelled, well its sad people dont know the end, but its not the end of the world.
A plot arc in a game cancelled is a tad more devastating. Whether or not you continue the arc, it needs to have a conclusion of some sort so that the characters ICly can go on with their lives. IT needs to get to a point where the involved parties can either move on or are acting in their own rights without the need for more aurora intervention.
I understand that its a blow, and I understand that you will need time to reconsider what you are doing. But take a pause, clean the house of the person who leaked, and then make what changes you need to make to keep the plot arc going.
That alone will reduce the leaked information to nothing, as the second you have paused to consider changing it, even if you change very little, the information will be out of date and no one will be able to act OOC reliably on it. And IC, well even if you didnt change anything it would be invalid IC and anyone useing it IC would be in a rather nasty little spot PR wise.
Which is really the key point. Because this is a player involved plot arc and not a story with no player involvement, knowing the plot doesnt actually matter as much for those who would have gotten access to the information. They have gotten a prophesy of the future, one from a decent source perhaps, but only a prophesy of the future which cant really be acted on with any success. And the most important thing for those who have had access to the information is NOT how it ends, but how thier corporations and characters will respond to the way in which it unfolds.
Aurora has done well this last year, stay the course and even this will be forgotten compared to the actual result of the best event Aurora has run.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.10.07 15:12:00 -
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I have to concur with the stinking Amarrian above me :)
this isnt really cause to cancel an arc. Change some of the details, but in esscence much like a pen & paper rpg, you mostly have only 'cue cards' when it comes to plot anyway, with the details finalised and adapted along the way according to player interaction results and direction.
Everyone knows things are going to get more tense in the lead up to FW, with something causing the trigger, whether its your extremist child-killing cult, the intaki or thukker for nationas to descend into a cold war and then open war.
But as to the tetrimon, its certaintly no need to cancel it, suspend and do some changes but unless its one of those where you unsually had the finest of details covered and player choice and direction was never really a part of it, then yes it may well have been spoiled, but to me, your triggering player decisions and actions and aiding them rather than telling a story whilst representing npc factions which does not require the finiest of details and so can be easily changed.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.10.07 15:14:00 -
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Right now we're mainly investigating what exactly happened and discussing how to proceed, so we won't be releasing too much information on exactly what happened.
Obviously, this means things will have to be put on hold, or maybe even cancelled. But since we know this is important to many of you, and of course to us as well, we will do our best to save as much as possible and hopefully changes can be made so the events can go ahead, even if changed so the leaked information won't allow anyone to cheat.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 15:24:00 -
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Quote: But since we know this is important to many of you, and of course to us as well, we will do our best to save as much as possible and hopefully changes can be made so the events can go ahead, even if changed so the leaked information won't allow anyone to cheat.
Thank you, that is the best that we can ask.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
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Dogal
ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.07 15:27:00 -
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To ease your pain a bit.
There will be an ending to Tetrimon, just something totally different then what was originally planned (with huge plots, backstabbing, ceremonies, important missions ran by loyalists and all other things you expect from Amarrians when they have a big political war and fight for support that would take months to reach a conclusion).
The storyline will get another ending now.
Then we'll see how much info about this investigation we can release to straighten out some more questionmarks.
-------------- Dogal Aurora Captain The Aurora Project [email protected] |
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 15:36:00 -
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Thanks Dogal and Wrangler
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Lallara Zhuul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 16:31:00 -
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Thank you.
'Death is the only Release from duty..' |
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.10.07 17:40:00 -
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Good luck on the new ending. It's a good to hear something was salvagable.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.07 17:57:00 -
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I had another idea.
Now that you KNOW you're scrapping it, maybe you should publish the old version of the plot, just so that the people who leaked it won't have anything special anyway. And because I'm curious and I suspect a lot of other people are, too. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 18:08:00 -
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How about no, Nik :P
Better that the plan leaked be forgotten entirely.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2006.10.07 19:05:00 -
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All this spies and metagaming really destroys so much.
Sneaking into Aurora to get some insider information is really lame.
Glad to hear you will finish the arc even it's not the way you once planned. I hope you can find a new end that still is satisfying your original intentions. Unfinished arcs are the worse decision.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.07 19:06:00 -
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I'd just like to say that whatever the new ending is, it shouldn't simply be the exact opposite of what was originally planned, because if it were then the people with leaked knowledge would probably be able to work things out.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
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Dogal
ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.07 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Arderich Glad to hear you will finish the arc even it's not the way you once planned. I hope you can find a new end that still is satisfying your original intentions. Unfinished arcs are the worse decision.
Sadly I have to say that no other ending will be as satisfying then the one arc we had planned (it would have been huge and ground breaking, too bad you won't see it ingame). The air has went out totally from the team handling the Tetrimon and Cult of Catechization since hundreds of planning hours now have to be scrapped.
There will be an ending though. Just way different.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Minmatar Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:52:00 -
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As I said elsewhere, I hope you guys can bring it back somehow... maybe do what you wanted but at a later date. Give me a buzz if plotlining help is needed; I make Machiavelli look tame.
Othewise, good luck Aurora. I don't know what happened and, despite my curious cat part, I shouldn't know either. I just hope you guys don't get bummed out by it:
Some cook is always going to spoil the broth.
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.10.08 14:56:00 -
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Just spread enough different rumors professionaly so that people won't know which one is the correct version and are still surprised in the end :P Would be a shame to waste so many manhours of work because of some ****head.
Now recruiting!
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.10.08 14:57:00 -
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Oh, and ban the **** if you know who it is. Forever.
Now recruiting!
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Khan Rodak
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2006.10.08 17:18:00 -
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Glad you'll be finishing it. The worst thing would be to leave any pilots who care about RP hooked on a non closed story.
Now, what about bans? I'm tired of seeing people getting abuse and cheating. When for bad habilitie or understanding of RP we can take it but, as for intentional missbehavior, well, ban is needed.
Khan Rodak Manu Dei Religious Order Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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