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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.13 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet I hope this thread will expand without being clogged by crap as it makes an interesting read. For the little I've had the opportunity to whitness, kudos to MC: things are done efficiently with a balanced mix of planning, tactical flair, discipline and ressources. That's what you expect of experienced mercs.
However I'am a bit puzzled by the mindset of the few opponents I've had the chance to encounter on an individual level. I understand that as a corp, you guys are mainly interested by getting the job done and retrieving as many killmails as possible. It's the attitude your employers count on and you fulfill your role wonderfully.
But between corporate ops, trying to engage your people on an individual level is as interesting as watching drying paint, since at least until today, I've not been able to meet alone a single MC (or one of your allies for that matter) in the same ship class willing to accept a fight without being backed by a gang waiting to assist.
Don't get me wrong, no whine here. I'am simply trying to tell that these wars give us the opportunity to evolve in rich target environments. If the constant quest of absolute efficiency gets the top priority, IMHO we are indirectly lowering the amount of fun EVE can offer to PvP'ers. Again, while such attitude is of essence when acting within a corp operation, it doesen't preclude your members to relax a bit in their "free game time" and get an ardenaline rush by taking a tiny weeny more risks. And I say tiny weeny because it's not like the risk is big when you have scouts in all adjacent systems and you realize that one of us is definitely alone since we can't really hide from local do we ?
All corps involved in the current events, no matter their side, are here to fulfill a mission and will probably do it to the best of their capabilities. But IMHO, it would be sad if at the end all this begins to get the taste of a part-time job.
With respect ;)
With all respect, our priority is not your fun and the last time we saw one of your guys 'solo' he had 3 recons cloaked next to him.
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Semkhet
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 12:03:00 -
[542]
Edited by: Semkhet on 13/10/2006 12:03:32
Originally by: Sivona
With all respect, our priority is not your fun and the last time we saw one of your guys 'solo' he had 3 recons cloaked next to him.
It happens that I was in one of these recons, that you knew that we were 4 in local (among a total of what, 20 ?), and that your Geddon was just outside the station you turned into your main hub. Hence your battleship was hardly in a critical position. As soon your Geddon began to lock our Megathron, before uncloaking, we were laughing on vent almost taking bets about how many MC ships would suddenly undock from your station. Events unfolded exactly as we expected ;)
But if you read my previous post carefully, I don't refer to that kind of situation. Anyhow, I understand your perspective perfectly well.
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Eyeshadow
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.13 12:04:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Shin Ra Yes, I just said that I disrepect you.
Oh noes! 
Like i give a crap what you or anyone in your corp things of me.
Anywayz, to get back on topic. Here we go again though i doubt i'll be about this weekend again. Might drop in on Sunday to say hi 
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.13 12:10:00 -
[544]
Edited by: Seleene on 13/10/2006 12:11:26
Originally by: Semkhet However I'am a bit puzzled by the mindset of the few opponents I've had the chance to encounter on an individual level.
But between corporate ops, trying to engage your people on an individual level is as interesting as watching drying paint, since at least until today, I've not been able to meet alone a single MC (or one of your allies for that matter) in the same ship class willing to accept a fight without being backed by a gang waiting to assist.
I appreciate the effort you put into your post, so IÆll do you the courtesy of an equal reply.
With respect, m8, I said it in local last night and I will say it again here: if I ever agree to a 1 vs. 1 with anyone, it probably means:
1.) I've lost my mind. 2.) Someone else is playing my character. 3.) We're on the test server.
While some might see this attitude as 'not fun', I've quite often (and quite loudly) voiced my disdain for one on one matches as they invariably end up being little more than module fitting contests. Don't bother trying to change my opinion on this (as many in my alliance try to do from time to time), it's just my point of view. I'm quite comfortable with my skills, either flying solo or as a fleet commander, and don't need to validate them with tests of 'honor'.
To put it another way, if one of my pilots shows up in a pod when he's supposed to be flying a tackle frigate for the fleet due to the fact that he voluntarily accepted an 'honor duel' and got owned, guess what I'm going to do to his pod? 
When I take me and mine to war on Tranquility, it's not to entertain the enemy, it's to kill them. If I have jump in a dozen carriers to pop your Atron, it won't cause me to even blink. There is no such thing as overkill in a war, especially one on this scale.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.13 12:24:00 -
[545]
With all due respect Semkhet last night when a solo IAC crow came to the station moments later 15 more jumped into local , so it goes both ways.
However I do remember FPC offering anyone a 1 vs 1 in local and no one took him up on it, so maybe next time.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.13 12:29:00 -
[546]
Arranged 1v1s are not something I'd normally accept. I don't like set-up fights. But if you run into me solo and I think I have a chance, you'll have yourself a fight. :) Although you never know how many buddies I have around me. :) -
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Semkhet
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:01:00 -
[547]
@Seleene
Your courtesy is appreciated. Crystal clear answer. Please note that I was not speaking about "honor" duels but simply referred to the generic path crossing of two opposing PvP'ers. Systematically fighting only when there's enough available support online (what means having other players with the right skills in the right system with the right ships and the right setups) and being convinced to have a high probability to win before engaging is somewhat too inhibited, but maybe that's just me.
For The Priory, there's little operative information to learn from your reply since it matches our observations on the field.
However I sincerely hope that the non-specialized PvP'ers among IAC who join the war effort will remember your words in order to understand the current battlefield. Therefore I can't thank you enough as nobody could have explained your style better than yourself.
No further than this morning, I located an IAC noob player in a Raven completely alone in front of station VI-12 in Utopia, probably thinking that his T1 torps would bring a distinct touch to the outcome of the conflict ;) Nedless to say I quickly got the kamikaze to a safe and gently lectured him. I hope that the content of this thread will contribute to decrease such occurrences on IAC side.
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:14:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Semkhet
No further than this morning, I located an IAC noob player in a Raven completely alone in front of station VI-12 in Utopia, probably thinking that his T1 torps would bring a distinct touch to the outcome of the conflict 
Aww. Let him have his fun. I would have gladly undocked a cruiser had I been online ;)
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them."
MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:47:00 -
[549]
Man last night you guys gave me a rush though. I was going down and knew there was a MC gang in F4 but they forget to say that yo guys had left. So as i uncloak from jumping all of a sudden my overview filled with red i did a big "oh ****". Was glad i warped out in time lol. Hehe i barely made it past your ceptor crew later in the night like that too. Although i think my luck will run out soon hehe
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Niding
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.10.13 16:57:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 13/10/2006 12:11:26 When I take me and mine to war on Tranquility, it's not to entertain the enemy, it's to kill them. If I have jump in a dozen carriers to pop your Atron, it won't cause me to even blink. There is no such thing as overkill in a war, especially one on this scale.
Good to see that you feel that there isnt such a thing as overkill in a war, since IAC and friends has come under scrutiny for massing too large numbers of pilots to counter the McFix siege.
Its been a largely used argument to put IAC in a bad light.
And I agree with 100% of your post too btw.
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Gabriel Karade
Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:05:00 -
[551]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
But due to IAC having a private KB we can't see if they are posting all their losses, just our KB is a viewable one to the public. (please note i'm in no way saying you aren't its just an example)
to be honest
they arn't all posted, but the only reason we have a killboard is to distribute replacement ships and mods, if you don't post a ship loss you don't get any reimburcement. and we also get paid for our kills (though the bastards stiffed me again this month ) so i can say for sure all kills are posted :P
Omg, you get paid now??!
*Puts in back-dated pay claim*
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Bluebear8
Orion Ore International Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:16:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 13/10/2006 06:37:58 To the IAC and all of our former contract targets who think we are evil, mean and like to bully you around for the ISK (which we do - we are evil to the core). You are right, we are wrong. I personally apologize to all of you. I am sorry.
Yes, it is agreed by all parties involved in this conflict and past conflicts. The following issues and/or labels do apply to the MC.
The MC...
1. Are Forum Smacktalkers and Flamebaiters (Local Chat as well for that matter). 2. Have a great disdain for all non-pvprs and know nothing of the hardship and toil of industrialists. Obviously no one person can understand both PvP and Industry in this game. 3. Will not engage in combat without superior numbers. 4. Sees and uses unfair advantages given by Server Lag and or Node Crashes. 5. Is unable to accomplish anything without help. 6. Uses skillpoint advantages/margins and tactics/weapons/ammo which use those advantages/margins unfairly. 7. Purposely stacks it's killboards to pad the true numbers and make themselves look good. They never try to portray accuracy. 8. Consistantly fails to realize the depth of play and sportmanship BURN EDEN and other similar corps/alliance have brought to the eve community. 9. Is probably the least professional, trustworthy and honorable alliances in the game. 10. Has not made an impact in the game and is a flash-in-the-pan BoB fanboi alliance that will not pass the test of time.
Again apologies to our current targets (to include but not limited to) IAC, CVA, SNIGG, AXE.... and well, all the rest of EVE**. I am truly sorry.
**(edit - except for BoB they will never be our targets, we are afterall their alts)
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APEXrevived
Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:39:00 -
[553]
Originally by: Semkhet I hope this thread will expand without being clogged by crap as it makes an interesting read. For the little I've had the opportunity to whitness, kudos to MC: things are done efficiently with a balanced mix of planning, tactical flair, discipline and ressources. That's what you expect of experienced mercs.
However I'am a bit puzzled by the mindset of the few opponents I've had the chance to encounter on an individual level. I understand that as a corp, you guys are mainly interested by getting the job done and retrieving as many killmails as possible. It's the attitude your employers count on and you fulfill your role wonderfully.
But between corporate ops, trying to engage your people on an individual level is as interesting as watching drying paint, since at least until today, I've not been able to meet alone a single MC (or one of your allies for that matter) in the same ship class willing to accept a fight without being backed by a gang waiting to assist.
Don't get me wrong, no whine here. I'am simply trying to tell that these wars give us the opportunity to evolve in rich target environments. If the constant quest of absolute efficiency gets the top priority, IMHO we are indirectly lowering the amount of fun EVE can offer to PvP'ers. Again, while such attitude is of essence when acting within a corp operation, it doesen't preclude your members to relax a bit in their "free game time" and get an ardenaline rush by taking a tiny weeny more risks. And I say tiny weeny because it's not like the risk is big when you have scouts in all adjacent systems and you realize that one of us is definitely alone since we can't really hide from local do we ?
All corps involved in the current events, no matter their side, are here to fulfill a mission and will probably do it to the best of their capabilities. But IMHO, it would be sad if at the end all this begins to get the taste of a part-time job.
With respect ;)
Another thing to take into account is that both FIX and MC are pretty far from their main stockpiles of ships. Yes there has been some staging, but I think you'd find yourself a bit more tentative in risking the ship that's gotten you 25 jumps safely thus far. And like seleene has said, our FCs wouldn't be too happy if they had one less ship in the fleet. I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy? |

APEXrevived
Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:41:00 -
[554]
as a follow up to my last post, please come to Querious and you'll find us much more willing to risk a 1 on 1, as the tables will have been reversed. I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy? |

Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.10.13 19:14:00 -
[555]
Edited by: Lowa on 13/10/2006 19:17:47
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: DHB FooFighter and we also get paid for our kills (though the bastards stiffed me again this month ) so i can say for sure all kills are posted :P
I want to be paid per kill Sel !!!!!!!
FFS... Grimster wants a puppy and now you want an allowance?? Frakkin' kids, I swear...  
Now I want a puppy AND an allowance!
Someone is giving out isk and free puppies? Sure, put me down for a gazillion and 2 puppies.
/Lowa edit: *sigh* There is no end to the # of idiots alive is there?
What if the truth was something else? |

SSDD24
Gallente Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 15:11:00 -
[556]
And now i guess we know where to get our loses back...
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.10.17 15:36:00 -
[557]
I just started reading the last two pages of this thread and was like 'wtf - where's all the stuff about F4 gone' and then realised I was looking at the wrong thread   ------------------------------
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 16:13:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Hardin I just started reading the last two pages of this thread and was like 'wtf - where's all the stuff about F4 gone' and then realised I was looking at the wrong thread  

Glad I wasn't the only one who did that. Necromancy is bad, mmkay? 
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them."
MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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theannihilatorof doom
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Posted - 2006.10.18 08:34:00 -
[559]
you know it interests me that iac attack a maelstrom pos with a couple of capitals for a laugh and mc/kia pop up within 10 minutes of the iac guys being there.... kinda suspect if you ask me, could this be the employer?
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 08:47:00 -
[560]
Originally by: theannihilatorof doom you know it interests me that iac attack a maelstrom pos with a couple of capitals for a laugh and mc/kia pop up within 10 minutes of the iac guys being there.... kinda suspect if you ask me, could this be the employer?
Maybe you're the employer and are trying to cover it up....
Oh no you can't be you're in an npc corp and aren't brave enough to post with your main!
PS: If we have a chance to kill IAC and friends then don't you think we would take it?
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.10.18 09:41:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: theannihilatorof doom you know it interests me that iac attack a maelstrom pos with a couple of capitals for a laugh and mc/kia pop up within 10 minutes of the iac guys being there.... kinda suspect if you ask me, could this be the employer?
Maybe you're the employer and are trying to cover it up....
Oh no you can't be you're in an npc corp and aren't brave enough to post with your main!
PS: If we have a chance to kill IAC and friends then don't you think we would take it?
What happened last night then? When the POS came out of reinforced? I turned up expecting a fight and then logged off when one didn't materialise.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 09:48:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Ifni What happened last night then? When the POS came out of reinforced? I turned up expecting a fight and then logged off when one didn't materialise.
Yeah. That's a damn shame, isn't it?  -
Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters? |

DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 09:53:00 -
[563]
Edited by: DHB FooFighter on 18/10/2006 09:53:58
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Ifni What happened last night then? When the POS came out of reinforced? I turned up expecting a fight and then logged off when one didn't materialise.
Yeah. That's a damn shame, isn't it? 
No its not 
I Finally got a decent nights sleep. 
except my roomate set his bloody alarm for 3:00 am. I called him an MC spy and went back to sleep.
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 10:35:00 -
[564]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter No its not 
I Finally got a decent nights sleep. 
except my roomate set his bloody alarm for 3:00 am. I called him an MC spy and went back to sleep.
Petition him for griefing.
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:18:00 -
[565]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Ifni What happened last night then? When the POS came out of reinforced? I turned up expecting a fight and then logged off when one didn't materialise.
Yeah. That's a damn shame, isn't it? 
Well you didn't get a fight either, so, uh, congratulations?
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |

neusa
Hunters Agency
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:20:00 -
[566]
mmm it's like candies when fight IAc's :) it never stop to like it . U eat more u like more :D. grrrrr.
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spoon2
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:42:00 -
[567]
Edited by: spoon2 on 18/10/2006 12:42:52
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Ifni What happened last night then? When the POS came out of reinforced? I turned up expecting a fight and then logged off when one didn't materialise.
Yeah. That's a damn shame, isn't it? 
Well you didn't get a fight either, so, uh, congratulations?
As Grim stated, also if im not mistaken we were 3 jumps from you, whats stopping you coming to us :) if you were so desperate for a fight.
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:05:00 -
[568]
Originally by: spoon2 Edited by: spoon2 on 18/10/2006 12:42:52
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Ifni What happened last night then? When the POS came out of reinforced? I turned up expecting a fight and then logged off when one didn't materialise.
Yeah. That's a damn shame, isn't it? 
Well you didn't get a fight either, so, uh, congratulations?
As Grim stated, also if im not mistaken we were 3 jumps from you, whats stopping you coming to us :) if you were so desperate for a fight.
Hehe that was a great fight when they camped our station. I lvoe getting the blasterthron out
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:22:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Ifni What happened last night then? When the POS came out of reinforced? I turned up expecting a fight and then logged off when one didn't materialise.
Yeah. That's a damn shame, isn't it? 
Well you didn't get a fight either, so, uh, congratulations?
It's not like the only fights happen when a POS comes out of reinforced mode, but good of you to come all this way.
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:23:00 -
[570]
Originally by: Sivona blasterthron
HTF do you spell it properly but still pronounce it like it's a frigging Decepticon? 
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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